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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #35 on: Fri Oct 07, 2022 - 04:57:29 »
It says you are insulting another member because you cannot cogently and rationally deal with their post
I did that in Reply#16.

When you can come from a position of confidence, insults would be un-necessary.   But you seem to fall back on them frequently.  And that doesn't speak to me at all.  All it illustrates is your less-than-civil behavior when you don't like something someone else says.  And since you are a Mod, that makes it two times worse, because you are also abusing your authority.
The "insult" you're talking about is literally just me pointing to you as an example of the thinking among Republicans that causes immigrants to join the other party.  That's not an insult; that's an example. 

If you feel insulted when someone points out what you said/did, that problem is on your end.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #36 on: Fri Oct 07, 2022 - 07:05:23 »
I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.  I work with construction companies.  My work involves ensuring compliance with employment regulations, among other things.  I have helped quite a few people legally immigrate to America (and it is a giant pain in the...)  In short, you have made bad assumptions about me.
This is always brought up, and it's simply not true.  The immigrants, at least where I am, support themselves.  They rarely receive any social assistance.  Indeed, a condition of legal immigration is that you cannot receive social assistance.  And, a consequence of illegal immigration is that you also cannot receive most social assistance.

The only way that it costs America anything to care for these people is when you incarcerate them.  In that case, they are prevented from supporting themselves, and America does indeed bear the cost.
Illegal immigrants are always business owners or subcontractors; never employees (it is illegal to actually hire them as employees).  The penalties for this are prohibitive.  Very few employers try to go around the law on this point, because it is extremely simple and safe to simply keep hiring them on a contractual basis. 

Does this create competition for subcontracted work? Yes. This is not a bad thing.  Capitalism thrives on competition (and fails without it, but I digress).
This is a problem of licensing and hiring.  If the GenCon is hiring contractors that are not properly licensed (or vetted), then of course the work will be subpar.  This would still be true of any unlicensed/inexperienced contractors, no matter their origins. 

It sounds to me like you were hired perhaps as a QP and saddled with a bunch of amateur workers.  Am I close?  That happens a fair amount.  (If you're acting as a QP, you should have a say in who is hired on the project).

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Not responding to your reply to Amo or getting into your debate but from one who is north of the Mason Dixon with the closest foreign border to me being Canada, the Hispanic migrant worker or wanna be just living here is not... as yet... a major concern.

Many, many, many local businesses... mostly farm and landscaping/tree services use those from south of the border that they
get hooked up with every January through the Federal Government.

One landscaper I know actually built housing for them... and at the end of the season they go back home... to come up again next year....

Our grass mowing service was using them until 2 years ago when first he  screwed up and missed the application deadline... then somehow got into IRS questioning and was never allowed to apply again. He, up to 2 years ago was paying them $18.00 and hour to mow grass.

We just had 3 huge pin oaks removed and also the stumps. The service uses only Spanish speaking "brown" people who with out question were phenominal workers.

It took this service 2 days and 3 1/2 hours to remove these near 100 ft trees... and stumps.... and grind them and haul the large pieces in multiple trips away.

The man across the street from the end of ours is having 1 tree removed....1.

He is using a different service and they appear to be all white.

Two days ago... when leaving about 9 AM they were starting on this tall tree. Probably another 100 ' one but not a pin oak.

Yesterday when I was coming home I noticed they were still cutting branches off that tree.
in the dead of night
In a while when I leave I will see hao far they have gotten.

Now I say this to explain they do ... for the most part... very good work and quick.

What AMO and others... including myself  (who has a husband and wife house cleaning team from Guatemala) complains about
it the way the Biden people keep delivering people all around the country in the dead of night and it is always unannounced to where thei planes take people. Guaranteed it is not LA, San Fran, Chicago, NYC , DC or Delaware.

3 or 4 nights ago on one of the evening Fox shows... Jesse, Tucker, or the first 20 min of Sean (I start going to bed then  ::whistle::) they showed video... NOT of the border crossings but of this horrendously long string of teen ages girls who were being put on busses going to who knows where.... An extension of human trafficking was talked about and Joe is approving.

All the drugs, illegals and human smuggling that must stop... but wont... is what everyone with a brain and a conscious  should be alarmed..... and these are the ones that tax payer dollars are used to toss some food their way. It does cost us.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #37 on: Fri Oct 07, 2022 - 10:01:50 »
Now I say this to explain they do ... for the most part... very good work and quick.
That is what I've experienced here, for the most part.  Like, if you go pick up a guy at the front of the Home Depot, they work hard and are good for digging ditches or chopping down trees.  I wouldn't want them re-wiring my house or replacing my plumbing, though.

What AMO and others... including myself  (who has a husband and wife house cleaning team from Guatemala) complains about
it the way the Biden people keep delivering people all around the country in the dead of night and it is always unannounced to where thei planes take people. Guaranteed it is not LA, San Fran, Chicago, NYC , DC or Delaware.

3 or 4 nights ago on one of the evening Fox shows... Jesse, Tucker, or the first 20 min of Sean (I start going to bed then  ::whistle::) they showed video... NOT of the border crossings but of this horrendously long string of teen ages girls who were being put on busses going to who knows where.... An extension of human trafficking was talked about and Joe is approving.

All the drugs, illegals and human smuggling that must stop... but wont... is what everyone with a brain and a conscious  should be alarmed..... and these are the ones that tax payer dollars are used to toss some food their way. It does cost us.
I know that my views are not as conservative as many on this board.  That does not make me a supporter of Joe Biden.  This guy sucks buttermilk. 

Neither am I saying that we shouldn't have security at the border.  It feels like I'm on repeat here, but there ARE serious problems there - drug smuggling and human trafficking.  I'm very much against those.  My first post here was intended to AGREE with the original post: The Border Crisis is NOT about illegal immigration.  Instead we're spending a lot of time talking about migrant workers, and that's burying the lead, so to speak.

I've heard of Texas and Arizona governors sending buses to DC, New York, and Martha's Vineyard.  I'm very much ok with the buses, as long as the people want to go there.

As for plane-fuls of people being shipped off, this is the first I'm hearing of it.  Would it surprise me?  Not really.  We already know the CIA has been complicit in bringing drugs into America in the past.  Would they engage in human trafficking?  Sure.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #38 on: Sat Oct 08, 2022 - 08:52:24 »
That is what I've experienced here, for the most part.  Like, if you go pick up a guy at the front of the Home Depot, they work hard and are good for digging ditches or chopping down trees.  I wouldn't want them re-wiring my house or replacing my plumbing, though.
I know that my views are not as conservative as many on this board.  That does not make me a supporter of Joe Biden.  This guy sucks buttermilk. 

Neither am I saying that we shouldn't have security at the border.  It feels like I'm on repeat here, but there ARE serious problems there - drug smuggling and human trafficking.  I'm very much against those.  My first post here was intended to AGREE with the original post: The Border Crisis is NOT about illegal immigration.  Instead we're spending a lot of time talking about migrant workers, and that's burying the lead, so to speak.

I've heard of Texas and Arizona governors sending buses to DC, New York, and Martha's Vineyard.  I'm very much ok with the buses, as long as the people want to go there.

As for plane-fuls of people being shipped off, this is the first I'm hearing of it.  Would it surprise me?  Not really.  We already know the CIA has been complicit in bringing drugs into America in the past.  Would they engage in human trafficking?  Sure.

Jarrod

Here is a link...

https://www.judicialwatch.org/planeloads-of-illegal-immigrant-minors-relocated-around-u-s-in-middle-of-the-night/

And another

https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/biden-is-hiding-illegal-immigration-with-secret-flights/

And another

https://ifapray.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-transported-by-plane-in-the-middle-of-the-night-heres-why/

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #39 on: Sat Oct 08, 2022 - 09:27:45 »
I am not working the job I work because I want to.  My wife is not working the job she wants to.  We work them to earn a living.  When you give a person a choice between getting a job, or paying them to sit at home, the majority of people given that choice will sit at home.  We are paying millions of people to sit at home in an economy, post-Covid, that doesn't have enough people to even accomplish basic supply needs in the supply chain.

When you let people into your country unchallenged, and then supply them with a job, what you are actually saying to them is "It's perfectly acceptable to break our laws if you wish.  We obviously don't care."  And we broadcast this to the extent that nothing is done about child trafficking, and in some cases murder, because secular society seems to not care about the problem at all.  "Citizens won't do those jobs" is never a good excuse to allow illegal aliens to trample the borders.  I don't believe in closing the border.  I believe in tightly monitoring it and only letting in a certain number of people per year, legally.  And if entitlements were changed drastically in this country and people had to work or not have food to eat, things would change drastically.

That's it right there.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #40 on: Mon Oct 10, 2022 - 01:54:48 »
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I know that my views are not as conservative as many on this board.  That does not make me a supporter of Joe Biden.  This guy sucks buttermilk.

Neither am I saying that we shouldn't have security at the border.  It feels like I'm on repeat here, but there ARE serious problems there - drug smuggling and human trafficking.  I'm very much against those.  My first post here was intended to AGREE with the original post: The Border Crisis is NOT about illegal immigration.  Instead we're spending a lot of time talking about migrant workers, and that's burying the lead, so to speak.

I've heard of Texas and Arizona governors sending buses to DC, New York, and Martha's Vineyard.  I'm very much ok with the buses, as long as the people want to go there.

As for plane-fuls of people being shipped off, this is the first I'm hearing of it.  Would it surprise me?  Not really.  We already know the CIA has been complicit in bringing drugs into America in the past.  Would they engage in human trafficking?  Sure.

Jarrod

They are already here illegally and now you want to give them the choice of where they go?  They are here illegally.  They broke the law to be here.  Where they should be bused back to is the other side of the border.  Again, this kind of stark disconnect is why we have a border crisis.  If you believe we should follow the Constitution, you should also believe that we should be controlling our borders.  And yes, there is a border crisis.  People entering the country illegally is the actual problem.  Everything that occurs because of that is peripheral to the problem of porous borders.

 

     
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