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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #1 on: Tue Sep 06, 2022 - 07:12:39 »
There was a small story about this on TV last night...

It is far more then just human trafficking with the way the cartels are using children and raping the young girls and getting them on drugs and working brothels while the boys must sell the drugs all to make money to pay the ransom owed to the cartels for bringing them to the US

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #2 on: Tue Sep 06, 2022 - 09:03:43 »
The bad news is they never get out of slavery. It is a permanent hell until they die. This human trafficking or modern-day slavery is by far the worst problem. Who knew a Democrat President would be responsible for such slavery atrocities in this modern age.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #3 on: Thu Sep 08, 2022 - 02:16:47 »
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The bad news is they never get out of slavery. It is a permanent hell until they die. This human trafficking or modern-day slavery is by far the worst problem. Who knew a Democrat President would be responsible for such slavery atrocities in this modern age.

Democrats are amoral so that is not a surprise.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #4 on: Sat Sep 10, 2022 - 11:40:06 »
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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #5 on: Fri Sep 16, 2022 - 11:19:50 »
Illegal immigration is barely a problem.  Here in Arizona many of those who illegally arrive from Mexico and Central America are hard-working laborers that our economy needs.

The problem is the trafficking of drugs and people back and forth across the border.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #6 on: Fri Sep 23, 2022 - 02:02:27 »
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Illegal immigration is barely a problem.  Here in Arizona many of those who illegally arrive from Mexico and Central America are hard-working laborers that our economy needs.

The problem is the trafficking of drugs and people back and forth across the border.

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If you are having to send bus loads of them to other places because they are overwhelming your resources, they are a problem.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #7 on: Fri Sep 23, 2022 - 05:14:04 »
There is definitely a big problem in Texas.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #8 on: Fri Sep 23, 2022 - 13:45:00 »
If you are having to send bus loads of them to other places because they are overwhelming your resources, they are a problem.
That problem only happens when they are detained.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #9 on: Fri Sep 23, 2022 - 18:10:35 »
Otherwise the uncaught illegal immigrants become problems for a widespread area on the border as they move north. Especially with the overwhelming numbers they have had for 2 years. Way more than normal.
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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #10 on: Fri Sep 23, 2022 - 23:25:36 »
Otherwise the uncaught illegal immigrants become problems for a widespread area on the border as they move north. Especially with the overwhelming numbers they have had for 2 years. Way more than normal.
Uh, not so much.  This is quite literally where I live.  The people who are immigrating in search of work mostly find work and become productive.  I could provide a ton of examples, but maybe I shouldn't publish that on the Internet, eh?

The border problems are drug smuggling and human trafficking, not immigration.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #11 on: Sat Sep 24, 2022 - 01:45:36 »
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That problem only happens when they are detained.

No.  It is a problem wherever they enter illegally, and where ever they go in groups after that.   I've thought all along that there were only two goals to Liberals desire to flood the country with illegals.  To overwhelm the system with financial handouts and enable them to vote en mass even if they are not citizens.  It stuck me yesterday that those are only two of their goals.  The third goal is an attempt to change the basic culture of the country in as short a time as possible.  And the only way to do that is a mass influx of people from different countries.  They can't woo the deplorables into accepting their tainted world view and there are, irritatingly enough, still too many of them around.  If they fill the country with enough illegal freeloaders to accept their socialism wholesale, the protests of the deplorables won't matter.  They will either stop complaining, because they will be a minority too small to hear, or they will get lost in the confusion.  And both groups will disappear completely when the Left decides they can remove them in more efficient ways.  That's the way socialism always works.  The useful idiots are the first to go, as soon as they have nullified the people who objected openly to the socialism in the first place.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #12 on: Sat Sep 24, 2022 - 01:51:08 »
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Uh, not so much.  This is quite literally where I live.  The people who are immigrating in search of work mostly find work and become productive.  I could provide a ton of examples, but maybe I shouldn't publish that on the Internet, eh?

The border problems are drug smuggling and human trafficking, not immigration.

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What is happening at the border is not immigration.  Immigration means entering the country legally.  These people are not entering the country legally and they are not immigrants.  They are illegal aliens.  As such, whether they find jobs or not, every single one of them should be deported back to where they came from.  I was born and raised in Arizona and the state has become unrecognizable to me, and partially, because of the attitude of people like you who don't care that the lower third of the state has turned into a No Man's land of drug cartels and the state now seems to shrug off the influx of 1000's of illegals.  Every state that adopts such an attitude does so at their own peril.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #13 on: Sat Sep 24, 2022 - 04:33:46 »
No.  It is a problem wherever they enter illegally, and where ever they go in groups after that.   I've thought all along that there were only two goals to Liberals desire to flood the country with illegals.  To overwhelm the system with financial handouts and enable them to vote en mass even if they are not citizens.  It stuck me yesterday that those are only two of their goals.  The third goal is an attempt to change the basic culture of the country in as short a time as possible.  And the only way to do that is a mass influx of people from different countries.  They can't woo the deplorables into accepting their tainted world view and there are, irritatingly enough, still too many of them around.  If they fill the country with enough illegal freeloaders to accept their socialism wholesale, the protests of the deplorables won't matter.  They will either stop complaining, because they will be a minority too small to hear, or they will get lost in the confusion.  And both groups will disappear completely when the Left decides they can remove them in more efficient ways.  That's the way socialism always works.  The useful idiots are the first to go, as soon as they have nullified the people who objected openly to the socialism in the first place.
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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #14 on: Sat Sep 24, 2022 - 05:53:08 »
Jarrod, i don’t know if Arizona is protected by the harsh terrain and such. But the Texas border is literally overrun and causing problems several hundred miles inland and that is where I live. Midland, Tx is 250 to 300 miles from the border depending on the curves of the Rio Grande. The towns on the border are totally swamped with illegals and their infrastructure is stretched beyond breaking, especially in the towns in the lower Rio Grande valley like McAllen. El Paso where the bimbo Kamala “visited” is not near as busy of a crossing place. There are small towns of 10,000 to 30,000 that literally have an estimated illegal population equal to their normal population at a given time. It’s a human disaster and tragedy even if the sex slave and Fentanyl traffic of the cartels is not considered. The good news is that Texas Hispanics are quite upset about the fiasco on our border so the Dems might not be be making Texas as purple as they think. They KNOW how stupid and destructive this is.
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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #15 on: Sat Sep 24, 2022 - 07:10:20 »
No.  It is a problem wherever they enter illegally, and where ever they go in groups after that.   I've thought all along that there were only two goals to Liberals desire to flood the country with illegals.  To overwhelm the system with financial handouts and enable them to vote en mass even if they are not citizens.  It stuck me yesterday that those are only two of their goals.  The third goal is an attempt to change the basic culture of the country in as short a time as possible.  And the only way to do that is a mass influx of people from different countries.  They can't woo the deplorables into accepting their tainted world view and there are, irritatingly enough, still too many of them around.  If they fill the country with enough illegal freeloaders to accept their socialism wholesale, the protests of the deplorables won't matter.  They will either stop complaining, because they will be a minority too small to hear, or they will get lost in the confusion.  And both groups will disappear completely when the Left decides they can remove them in more efficient ways.  That's the way socialism always works.  The useful idiots are the first to go, as soon as they have nullified the people who objected openly to the socialism in the first place.

As one of the "irritating"  deplorables who is still around you make a valid point. But you neeed to include "their" idea of white supremacist in there also... as not all WS are deplorable in the true MAGA sense.... actuallly mostly the opposite, though not socialist minded... if that makes any sense

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #16 on: Mon Sep 26, 2022 - 03:07:53 »
What is happening at the border is not immigration.  Immigration means entering the country legally.
No it doesn't.  Grab a dictionary and look:

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verb (used without object), im·mi·grat·ed, im·mi·grat·ing.
   to come to a country of which one is not a native, usually for permanent residence.
   to pass or come into a new habitat or place, as an organism.

You don't get to just re-define words to fit your agenda.

These people are not entering the country legally and they are not immigrants.  They are illegal aliens.  As such, whether they find jobs or not, every single one of them should be deported back to where they came from.
They certainly are immigrants, per the dictionary definition.  Virtually everyone in America is ultimately an immigrant.  This country was founded as a refuge for those wanting to escape religious persecution in their home countries.  If you want to deport everyone that came to America against the wishes of the natives, you're going to have to deport basically everyone, probably including yourself.

Something I find ironic is when Americans object to illegal immigrants because they are "taking our jobs."  This is actually backwards from what is happening.  People who immigrate legally are the ones taking jobs.  They come on work visas to become doctors and teachers and such.  The ones who come illegally are doing unskilled labor jobs that nobody else here will do.

  I was born and raised in Arizona and the state has become unrecognizable to me, and partially, because of the attitude of people like you who don't care that the lower third of the state has turned into a No Man's land of drug cartels and the state now seems to shrug off the influx of 1000's of illegals.  Every state that adopts such an attitude does so at their own peril.
My post that you're responding to literally says, "the border problems are drug smuggling and human trafficking."  But here you are, trying to assert that I've said precisely the opposite.

May I suggest that you read your own posts before you hit 'post?'

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #17 on: Mon Sep 26, 2022 - 03:36:47 »
Jarrod, i don’t know if Arizona is protected by the harsh terrain and such...
We don't need protection from the people who are immigrating.  Our economy actually needs unskilled laborers.  But... the heat and lack of water kill a couple hundred people a year, mostly dirt-workers. 

What we need protection from are the people transporting drugs INTO America, and people OUT of America.  They are not immigrants.  They are American smugglers who travel back and forth.  The desert does not prevent this, and in fact assists them in this task (Arizona leads the nation in kidnappings).  We call these people 'coyotes,' because they know the desert like, well... a coyote, and use it to avoid ICE. 

Oh, ICE kills a bunch of people, too.  Those get buried in the desert, so I doubt any statistics exist.  Some of them probably deserve it.  Some of them certainly don't.

But the Texas border is literally overrun and causing problems several hundred miles inland and that is where I live. Midland, Tx is 250 to 300 miles from the border depending on the curves of the Rio Grande. The towns on the border are totally swamped with illegals and their infrastructure is stretched beyond breaking, especially in the towns in the lower Rio Grande valley like McAllen. El Paso where the bimbo Kamala “visited” is not near as busy of a crossing place. There are small towns of 10,000 to 30,000 that literally have an estimated illegal population equal to their normal population at a given time. It’s a human disaster and tragedy even if the sex slave and Fentanyl traffic of the cartels is not considered.
What's wrong with your immigrants?  Why do they not work?

The good news is that Texas Hispanics are quite upset about the fiasco on our border so the Dems might not be be making Texas as purple as they think. They KNOW how stupid and destructive this is.
Most of the immigrants I've had dealings with are conservative where it comes to morality.  If they're becoming Democrats, it is probably because Republicans are perceived as... well, look at Cobalt.

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Re: The Border Crisis is NOT Just About Illegal Immigration
« Reply #18 on: Mon Sep 26, 2022 - 04:26:54 »
We’ve always had a certain amount of illegal immigratio. What’s happening today is is untenable in Texas. Hispanics in Texas are more and more are voting Republican because they don’t like what’s going on. It doesn’t benefit them in any way. When the majority of Hispanics vote Republican, it will all of a sudden be stopped. This is NOT about compassion or not. This will not become OK to me even if they do become Republican voters, but I do believe it will stop by and large when that becomes the case. Increasing legal immigration when we have a shortage of workers is fine with me.  Immigration always should be regulated, whethernitnis white Europeans or brown Mexicans or black Haitians. The chaos now is anything BUT regulated and controlled.

What I meant by “protection” in Arizona, the harsh conditions i would assume keeps a lot of people from crossing there. 
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