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The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« on: April 05, 2012, 04:28:55 PM »
Or at least real factual events that occurred in my hometown :)  I am going to also mention that the Kitsap Peninsula (Gig Harbor) and Bonney Lake typically are not as liberal socialist Dem as Seattle, Olympia, etc.  THOSE folks would have been robbed, beaten or worse.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crime/2012/04/05/homeowners-with-guns-confront-burglars-in-gig-harbor-bonney-lake/#.T332xYTZTXo.facebook


"PDATED: Homeowners with guns confront burglars in Gig Harbor, Bonney Lake
Post by Stacey Mulick / The News Tribune on April 5, 2012 at 10:48 am with 19 Comments »

UPDATED at 11:09 a.m.:

Pierce County law enforcement officers are investigating two burglaries this morning – one near Gig Harbor, one in Bonney Lake – in which the homeowners pulled guns on the would-be thieves.

In the Bonney Lake incident, the homeowner fired a shotgun at the suspect’s truck as it drove away, officer Todd Green said. It wasn’t immediately known whether the shot hit the truck or the would-be thief was injured.

The homeowner told Bonney Lake officers he was taking a nap in his home in the 8000 block of 205th Avenue East when he heard the door bell ring just before 9:45 a.m., Green said.

He ignored the bell. The homeowner told officers he then heard what sounded like kicking at his front door, Green said.

The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and went to the front door. He opened the door and confronted the suspect.

The suspect ran to his truck and started to drive off, Green said. The homeowner told officers he fired one shot at the truck.

Officers have yet to find the truck, which is described as an older model blue Ford pickup with a stepside and black ladder and pink bicycle in the bed, Green said.

The suspect was described as white, in his 30s, 5 feet 8 and 160 to 170 pounds. He had a stocky build and wore a beat-up black leather coat,  mirrored sunglasses and  light grey, wool gloves, Green said.

No shots were fired in the Gig Harbor-area incident but a woman did pull a gun.

According to Pierce County sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer, two young men rang the front door bell of a home in the 3200 block of 19th Avenue Northwest.

When no one answered the door, the suspects went around back and started to kick in a dog door in an attempt to get inside.

The woman, whose husband is a soldier, heard a commotion. She grabbed a gun and showed it to the two burglars. They fled, Troyer said.

The two were described as white, in their late teens to early 20s and wearing dark, baggy clothing.

The armed confrontations come one day after a retired Puyallup police officer shot and killed a burglar who broke into his South Hill home. Three others involved in the burglar were not injured. Two are in custody; a third is being sought.

Troyer said the burglars were using a common tactic – ringing the door bell to see if anyone is home. He said if homeowners see a stranger at their door, they should ask what the person wants before opening the door.

Don’t necessarily ignore the door because you don’t recognize who is on the other side.

“Be safe and let people know you have called police,

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The truth about owning fire arms for protection
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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 11:39:20 PM »
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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 02:46:47 AM »
Cant help thinking of that poor man who recently shot and killed his own teenage daughter in the night because he thought she was an intruder.Guns bring nothing but death and destruction.
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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 04:35:56 AM »
Guns are like cars. Nothing wrong in themselves, but in the hands of the wrong person or in the circumstances of an unfortunate accident, a bad thing. A hair dryer can be a lethal weapon under certain circumstances.

http://itmakessenseblog.com/2011/01/04/safety-cars-vs-gun-control/
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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 05:12:31 AM »
Jaime,

But what about the evil bathtubs and swimming pools. Those things kill many more people than guns do.

If only we could outlaw bathtubs and swimming pools the world would be a much safer place.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 06:24:24 AM »
Bathtubs are intended to be a way for us to get clean and smell better.
Swimming pools are intended to be a way for us to get exercise and meet hot babes.
Guns are intended to kill things. I am all for killing a fox in the chicken cooop or killing a deer to put food on the table but cheap hand guns are intended to kill people. That intent makes theme wrong.

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 06:47:36 AM »
Gun control is knowing how to responsibly use a firearm.

Great story! Only thing I would suggest is let the creatures gain entry in the house and then drop them where they stand. Send a public service message relating a new kind of salvation. One that saves the innocent home owner from home invasion!
And send that good news for homeowners, also to all like those burglars that the desire for someone else's material wealth, does indeed come at a cost. While that what's spent, lasts for eternity.

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 08:59:00 AM »
Cant help thinking of that poor man who recently shot and killed his own teenage daughter in the night because he thought she was an intruder.Guns bring nothing but death and destruction.



Quoted from above:  Guns bring nothing but death and destruction.

add to this list "sin."

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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 10:01:00 AM »
I will just have to ask the criminals intent on breaking into my house beforehand if they are pro gun or not.  You know, being cleaved through the head with my chopping axe might be a more "PC" solution for those who don't prefer guns since guns are just so mean and all.

Srsly people.  *eyeroll*

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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 10:09:07 AM »
Bathtubs are intended to be a way for us to get clean and smell better.
Swimming pools are intended to be a way for us to get exercise and meet hot babes.
Guns are intended to kill things. I am all for killing a fox in the chicken cooop or killing a deer to put food on the table but cheap hand guns are intended to kill people. That intent makes theme wrong.

If you buy a gun and intend to kill people with it, then indeed intent makes it wrong.  However, most people who buy hand guns do not by it with the intention of killing anyone.  Buying a gun with the intent of protection is not buying it with the intent of killing someone; rather it is just the opposite.  Its intention is in fact to keep someone else from killing you. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

If you would prefer to bring a knife as protection in a possible gun fight, that is of course your prerogative.  And that doesn't make knives wrong.  I would question the wisdom of it but not necessarily the motive.

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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2012, 10:23:11 AM »
I look at guns like the US and USSR looked at nuclear weapons. Dangerous things, but great deterants, expecially if your potential opponent or enemy has one. Personal protection is like national security, to keep the bad things from happening. It does no good to unilaterally defensively denude oneself
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2012, 11:02:11 AM »
I've found in my experience in encountering those who are avowedly anti-gun, that they are so because they've never found themselves in a situation where their life is in peril and self defense in the extreme is immediately necessary else they'll surely perish from the intent afforded by an assailant.

That and/or, they're staunchly anti-gun and have some strange ideas about what a firearm is, as much as what it isn't , because they don't know what they're really talking about.
Namely, responsible gun ownership.
That pretty much speaks for itself.

I'd rather have a gun in my possession, and I have many, and not ever need it. Than to need it and not have one.

Because it serves me not at all to join the ranks of that statistic dubbed under the title in that column dedicated to; Crime Victim!
However, I will enter into that column if someone insists upon it, wherein I am instead dubbed; Victor!
 Over that one/many, who would expressly go on the offensive with the full intention of relocating my present status unto their victim category.  

And while there are tragedies and miscalculations and what is simply a stupid mistake, with regard to the use of or access afforded to firearm(s), if there did not exist one gun on the face of the earth, there would still in this 21st century be accounts of stupid mistakes, tragedies, miscalculations and outright idiotic decisions attributed to the use of anything else that could/can be described as a weapon.

I know a man who can kill you with a rock. He's just that good with a slingshot. At 35 years of age, he's been practicing with that weapon since he was 5!

I drive a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds. And a good rate of speed can take someone's life very easily, if I choose to be irresponsible behind the wheel.

Anything, can be utilized as a potential weapon against someone else. In fact, Murine eye drops dropped into a liquid and consumed by an unsuspecting target, is poison. It's properties can make someone deadly sick and even kill them if their health is already compromised to a certain degree.

Should eye drops then be made illegal across the board? Because some idiot out there may decide to use them in manner intended to exact violent trespass on a victim of choice?

All guns have done is bring death and destruction? Guns don't do a thing, left to themselves. Just like everything else within human reach, it is at the discretion and the responsibility of the human, what anything they can get hold of, will do to anyone else.

All guns have done is bring death and destruction? That is able to be said in a country that came to exist , as today's United States, because guns were one of those weapons our ancestors employed in order to insure we today are and remain a free people.

And I promise you, the victims in Darfur would love to have guns so they can fight back against Guerrillas who ravage their country, their communities, their families, using guns as the primary means of offensive weapon against them.
Those evil vicious depraved people who invade and murder their family. That kidnap their boy children and force them to join the Guerrilla army. That abduct and rape their daughters, and force them into prostitution or kill them if they resist the savagery that is meant to break their spirit and force their compliance. That abduct and rape their wives, mothers at the point of a gun or at the sharp end of a machete.

Those unarmed victims there and anywhere in the world, can't fight back with rocks, sticks, their fists, in the face of guns wielded by those who assume an offensive posture against them, with the full intent of annihilation of their race, tribe, religion, etc...

However, were those victims armed with guns and machetes so as to offer a defense on equal ground, we wouldn't be reading the headlines about horror we can't even imagine and are told can be assuaged if we just listen to the celebrity du jour, and give money to a tax exempt organization that can only give money and aid to those victims in those countries, if the government responsible for their being victims, let it in.  

God help us, if gun's are ever outlawed in America! Because then, outlaws will only have guns. And that means, otherwise law abiding citizens will choose to act against that law that, in the name of gun control, actually intends to control the guns those who abide by the law no longer have access to because of it.

While that criminal element, for which no law means anything at all, have always and shall forever, have access to guns and anything else they want, weapon or otherwise, in order to further their career, their intent, in surviving off of those they target as victim. And when that target community is disarmed, it just makes their career easier to promote.

What do you do when an armed assailant finds you disarmed, cowering beside your bed, while on hold to 9-11?

ANYTHING they tell you to!



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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2012, 02:00:33 PM »
Cant help thinking of that poor man who recently shot and killed his own teenage daughter in the night because he thought she was an intruder.Guns bring nothing but death and destruction.

I can't help thinking about that poor man who had to watch his wife and daughter get raped, all because he didn't have a gun to protect them.

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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2012, 02:24:13 PM »
Cant help thinking of that poor man who recently shot and killed his own teenage daughter in the night because he thought she was an intruder.Guns bring nothing but death and destruction.

I can't help thinking about that poor man who had to watch his wife and daughter get raped, all because he didn't have a gun to protect them.
After 20 years as a police officer, I can tell you that with a gun that "poor man" most likely would have still watched his family brutalized --- AND shot with his own gun that was taken by the assailant.

Not everyone can pull the trigger - most can't - and it introduces the method of their destruction to a situation he/she might have survived.

Just my opinion.

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Re: The truth about owning fire arms for protection
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2012, 03:40:26 PM »
Perhaps folks in my hometown area are just better prepared or more capable (at least judging by the articles, or you could talk to Deputy Troyer, he's usually out and about on weekends.).

I have been handy with a rifle or shotgun for quite some time.  My ex boyfriend thought I was not so great with a handgun so off we went to the shooting range.  He thinks I'm pretty up to snuff now :)  But, hey, what does he know being retired special forces and a police officer.

Also, unless you look at stats presented by committees/organizations that prefer no gun ownership, being shot with your own gun is a rare occurrence.