I am here only to respond to a few people.
I have not come back as the old Ginger Rella as that account was deleted, and according to Grace Centered, that user name does not exist.
I had to re-register that name but no matter, I only want to respond to a few before I am gone, yet again
Most of the repliers in the theology forum are glad they will not have to put up with me again, simply because by this time, they know it is a lost cause.I will not change my position of when one is saved and forgiven, therefore they consider me to be damned.
Though never specifically stating it as such, much has been said by forum and PM to indicate those thoughts.
That is fine. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.
Red, you said..."
if she truly believed she was right, why leave? Do not give up, you stop when God stop you
, not when you want to stop.
I believe it was God inspired for me to stop. The God of our father's, maker of heaven and earth, who sent His only begotten Son to the Cross to shed His blood for my sins, and that believing on Him has made the way for my salvation. That God. The one who tells us these things in His Holy Book.
I acknowledge that immersion after one believes is biblical. And should be done as soon after one believes ( for me believing is unwavering faith that Jesus died for MY sins and shed His precious blood for me) when possible.
I know, as in my case, soon is not possible, until you actually come to that understanding. And then it will only happen when it can.
I fault not only the churches and the clergy who do not teach this, but also every single Theological Seminary, Divinity School, Bible College and Bible Institute
that does not teach immersion after.
Now, I truly, as God is my witness, have no idea why I ever even ventured into that forum. It was as if it was pulling me there. I have no business being there. But I was helpless to stop myself from reading, and further was helpless to stop myself from replying to what my mind and gut were telling me was wrong.
I knew and know and no one would hear what I was saying because I am female, and certain people on there have very little regard for females other then what they perceive the "little woman's" role to be.
Red, you said "If anyone gets their feelings hurt very easily, then debating scriptures is not for that person"
It is beyond feelings being hurt. Everyone here knows if that was the case I would never have been tin the political forum.
When someone sets their aim to malign an individual belief, rather then constructively show why they believe they are wrong I do not know how to fight that.
But what made me remove myself permanently was this from Kenneth
Ginger when you rely on CARM and Ginger you have picked a fight with the wrong GOD
: God is never slow about slapping contenders with STRONG DELUSIONS
Now you won't see this but I see it as he believes that my God is not his God.
and he followed up with
Isaiah 1 inspired by God as the Spirit OF Christ is parallel to what Jesus FULFILLED and COMMANDED. Are you sure that you are trained enough to contradict the Holy Spirit OF God
That is beyond common decency.
I am not fighting God. I certainly an not contradicting the Holy Spirit, but I am unable to say and express what I know in my heart is correct. BECAUSE I have read it with my own eyes. But... they will only counter and tell me my eyes were lying and I should ... Matt 5:29
And he is not unlike the other blowhard that stopped me from posting for a while. And stopped me again when I came back.......
In our bound volume just after the Great Comission, Mark begins with the "arche" which is the most important part of the gospel. He quotes Malachi 3 about the "fuller" washing our garments as white as snow. Then, he launches into the baptism of John and the disciples of Jesus. It would seem natural that the ARCHE would be restated.
Sometimes not finding something in a manuscript which means someone's old Bible can be AMENDED by what the theologians and historians wrote
"which means someone's old Bible can be AMENDED by what the theologians and historians wrote"
That is, provided whoever "ADDS" to the word, which amending can be considered of doing... as long as it agrees with what your beliefs are. Or perhaps your beliefs were originally formed by the amended???
But you are off to heck in a handbasket if someone who has a different belief offers an opinion on the amended. As what I had posted.
There were a lot, A LOT, that could have been posted from differing sources..... not just from Carm.... Theirs was just the most concise.
And this clearly tells me that ... well, I will not use those words here.
Now...What has caused me to even post this today is a reply from Buff.
I might add that immersion [not “baptism”] in water does not finalize one’s initial salvation, but simply confirms it, as you indicated.
However, if a person deliberately and knowingly
rejects being immersed in water after being exposed to the command, such as Jesus’ last words in Matthew 28 before He ascended back into heaven, his “faith” is in question and his initial [spiritual] birth could be in jeopardy.
Just a thought or two,
2nd paragraph , the italicized area is directed at me. If not, it would not have been emphasized with the italics.
Jaime, I appreciate your kind words.
Mommydi, I will see you in emails.
Red, No... I have no post to return to. Most likely was Satan who kept me coming back daily for my rump to be kicked. I, in error, had thought it was God, but as the others will tell you, that could not be the case.... as they believe He will likely not have anything to do with me... an unsaved, unbaptised, un Holy Spirit filled
Quoting you again
"I think she needs to get her fanny right back here where she belongs right now. I thought she was a much tougher woman then let anyone's hard speeches cause her to leave, ESPECIALLY SO if she truly believed she was right, why leave? "
I left because my beliefs and way of thinking were always wrong.... and the insinuated comments that I am wrong with God.
I cannot fight that. I do not know how.
Again you said.....
"If anyone gets their feelings hurt very easily, then debating scriptures is not for that person."
I never thought I was debating. I thought that when I posted something from the bible and it was a accurate as it came from the bible...
Post from the bible, I am wrong... Post from my interpretation, I am wrong... Post some articles I read that said things that I believe that I could not say as well as they do and oh my Lord,....
"If God is for us, who can possibly be against us to defeat us"
Well, speaking as a defeated one, guess God is not for me.
"Not good enough, you have a post to fill."
That would be in my kitchen and doing housework. Period.