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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #35 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 07:35:50 »
Directly observably wrong.............

Who needs data and charts when they can read and understand?

"After setting a new all-time pandemic peak of 29,744 active cases on Friday last week, that figure has now dropped to 15,280.

These numbers reflect a decrease of 48.6% in just five days."

From the link also is

HOSPITALIZATION AND CASE NUMBERS UPDATE

During Wednesday’s briefing, Gov. Justice reported that the number of West Virginians hospitalized with COVID-19 has hit an unfortunate milestone. However, at the same time, the state’s total number of active cases has begun to decline rapidly.

West Virginia saw a new record high for total hospitalizations Wednesday, reaching exactly 1,000. The state saw a small decrease in the number of patients in ICUs with 280 (down from a peak of 292 on Monday), while the number of patients on ventilators has once again matched the pandemic peak of 168.

The statewide death toll from COVID-19 has reached 3,467, with 43 more deaths being reported since the Governor's previous briefing on Monday.

“Just think of the amount of wisdom that’s gone,” Gov. Justice said. “Think about the families sitting around for Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner. What kind of void are we going to have? And how many more are we going to lose?

“We have the power to stop it,” Gov. Justice continued. “We have all got to step up, united together, and get vaccinated. That’s the way to stop it.”

The Governor went on to add, however, that despite the deaths and hospitalizations, West Virginia may finally be turning the corner with the latest surge brought on by the Delta variant.
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So by every indication of what he said.... the majority of folks in the hospital  and who died were unvaxed.

Still... West Virginia may finally be turning the corner with the latest surge brought on by the Delta variant.

TC... what other info do you need.... and where are you looking that you trust cause anything from the government cannot be trusted?

Buff's link
https://governor.wv.gov/News/press-releases/2021/Pages/COVID-19-UPDATE-West-Virginia-reaches-1,000-hospitalizations-for-the-first-time,-but-total-cases-are-falling-rapidly.aspx


Not directly observably wrong.

1st off, it wasn't Buff's link, it's yours.  You did the work he couldn't do.

2nd, it's a press release, it isn't data.  There is a difference between having data that can be scrutinized and having a press release or news article.  One can be at least confirmed through a data source while the other is a statement that we must blindly accept. 

Where is the data that shows hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status? 

And you better get your vaccination if you have so much trust in the article you found had to search for from Buff's "column."  It's not the same either.  Buff's is from August 25th, not September 22.
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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #36 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 08:02:36 »
At least your link had an embedded link inside of it that had some breakthrough data, but not enough context to verify the results for the entire period of time.  In the recent month, and it would appear to be about 85% of deaths.  At the beginning of August, it was only 70% of deaths.

The West Virginia Dashboard, which Buff could have provided, had he understood what he was even arguing about, could have got him somewhere in recent months when there were a high number of vaccinated individuals.

However, in some of these statistics, the start counting unvaccinated deaths starting December 14th, 2020.  By April of 2020, only about 25% of people were vaccinated.  There overall statistic is around 6% of deaths were vaccinated, but it is skewed by the lack of vaccinations how they are picking their start date. 

I crunched some numbers based upon the embedded link provided for the Covid dashboard of WV.

August 2021- 80.6% unvaccinated deaths
September 2021 - 85.56% unvaccinated deaths

Further, of the unvaccinated deaths counted from 12/14/2020, approximately 85% of the deaths were over 60.

This pandemic of the unvaccinated showing young people is a farce. 

It goes back to what I have said more than once, do a cost/benefit analysis of the vaccine.  If you are older, the benefits might outweigh any potential risk.  But for the young, especially under 40, I do not believe that is so.

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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #37 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 09:27:09 »
Is it just me or does the word "COLUMN" referring to a thread here at Grace Centered Forums denote a certain unearned journalistic piety when one refers to their "column" here? Just my personal observation. Shoot me down if you disagree. It's strictly a personal opinion.

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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #38 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 10:14:36 »
Is it just me or does the word "COLUMN" referring to a thread here at Grace Centered Forums denote a certain unearned journalistic piety when one refers to their "column" here? Just my personal observation. Shoot me down if you disagree. It's strictly a personal opinion.

You and me, both, Jaime. smh


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« Reply #38 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 10:14:36 »
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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #39 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 12:38:58 »
Is it just me or does the word "COLUMN" referring to a thread here at Grace Centered Forums denote a certain unearned journalistic piety when one refers to their "column" here? Just my personal observation. Shoot me down if you disagree. It's strictly a personal opinion.



Agreed, just more narcissistic behavior from the same ole horn blower.

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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #40 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 13:24:07 »
Not directly observably wrong.

1st off, it wasn't Buff's link, it's yours.  You did the work he couldn't do.

2nd, it's a press release, it isn't data.  There is a difference between having data that can be scrutinized and having a press release or news article.  One can be at least confirmed through a data source while the other is a statement that we must blindly accept. 

Where is the data that shows hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status? 

And you better get your vaccination if you have so much trust in the article you found had to search for from Buff's "column."  It's not the same either.  Buff's is from August 25th, not September 22.

I clicked a link within his link. An extra step you would of and could of done.

No matter.
The Gov of W VA talked of the rapid rise and fall of covid recently with numbers.

Then said if the people would get their shots they could put a stop to these.

A stretch I am sure but I do not need charts and graphs to show how many were in hospital and 5 days later how many less
there are.

Again, no matter
As to me and shots if I believe what I read  ....  I keep telling you I dont care if it gets me and takes me out.

Something has to  ::tippinghat::

But you cannot take a nationwide or even a statewide average for a disease because it is not in this country evenly or even in any state evenly.

It needs to be locally... and that  "circles back" to only state run government data bases that cannot be trusted. ::frown::

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« Reply #41 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 14:42:40 »
LET’S TRY TO GET IT STRAIGHT AGAIN

    Please check the data again in my thread referred to earlier. How many of the data quotations from the various States are false? I'm alluding to the quotations relating to 85-90 percent of unvaccinated hospitalizations. Try to stick with my core message. I ask that you not wander off into a different section. Stay with the issue.

    Webster’s definition of “data” is interesting. “Facts or figures to be processed; evidence, records, statistics, etc. from which conclusions can be inferred.”

    As per Webster’s definition, the data of the 7 States I shared is actually data, not counterfeit data. In reference to that authentic data, you can try to distort it, manipulate it, twist it out of shape, or misconstrue it, but take that up with Webster. He’s  the author of that definition, not me. The 7 data I posted in my thread fits the definition exactly.

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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #42 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 14:52:20 »
What we do know:  Buff provided no actual sources of data to back up his assertion.

That was what the entire argument was about in the first place.  I don't trust his say so, and no one should trust mine either.  Or any politician or journalist.  Without data and transparency, and the ability for anyone to do some research to confirm what is being said, we are just being blindly led by Covid Pulpiteers in the religion of Covid-ianity.

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« Reply #43 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 14:56:39 »
ALAN, POST #39

"Agreed, just more narcissistic behavior from the same ole horn blower."

    Alan, you're opening up another "can of worms" here. Inasmuch as you introduced the topic, I will give serious thought to developing a thread on the symptoms of Narcissism, based on the findings of psychiatric professionals. You may then want to rethink the matter over.

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« Reply #44 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 15:01:17 »
READ THE DEFINITION OF "DATA" AGAIN

    “Facts or figures to be processed; evidence, records, statistics, etc. from which conclusions can be inferred.”—Webster.

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« Reply #45 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 15:51:28 »
ALAN, POST #39

"Agreed, just more narcissistic behavior from the same ole horn blower."

    Alan, you're opening up another "can of worms" here. Inasmuch as you introduced the topic, I will give serious thought to developing a thread on the symptoms of Narcissism, based on the findings of psychiatric professionals.



Ohhh, I get it! You're not really against being negative like you claimed a few days ago, are you?  rofl

So while you're sitting there wearing your psychiatrist's hat, thinking of negative columns to write about others, go ahead and pop off one about Joe Biden's moral failures, mental health issues, and incessant lying. I'm waiting.

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You may then want to rethink the matter over.

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Re: Unvaccinated Hospitalizations
« Reply #46 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 16:34:07 »
READ THE DEFINITION OF "DATA" AGAIN

    “Facts or figures to be processed; evidence, records, statistics, etc. from which conclusions can be inferred.”—Webster.

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And you didn't give any.  You gave links which were defective to news sites and industry sites.  There the Pulpiteers of Covid-ianity made blanket decrees, and you swallowed them up like a good pew sitter.

Rella accomplished more today to provide some actual data than you did in your....


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« Reply #47 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 21:11:55 »
mommydi:

    "So while you're sitting there wearing your psychiatrist's hat, thinking of negative columns to write about others..."[i/]]

    My, my, you're getting meaner and meaner! I suppose I can do this negative thing considering how easy it is for you to go negative, almost completely negative, when someone doesn't write what you believe. You may even wind up calling me a name, such as "Narcissistic," a name one of the Moderators called me. For the moment, you seen to be approving of the name he called me!

    I will notify you and the others if and when I write a thread on the symptoms of "Narcissism." Check out your own personality when you read it, as I shall check out my personality. The symptoms will be lifted from psychiatric professionals, not from me. I will be quoting from them. You may even be able to distinguish whether or not one or more of your "buddies" here who agree with you need psychiatric help.

    Consider getting adequate sleep - it will help your thinking processes. I know, "Been There, Done That."

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« Reply #48 on: Thu Sep 23, 2021 - 21:22:24 »
A NOTE ABOUT "DATA" AGAIN

   DATA: “Facts or figures to be processed; evidence, records, statistics, etc. from which conclusions can be inferred.”—Webster.

    The genuine data from the 7 States I posted was published by Google. If anyone has a problem with those data quotations, contact Google and recommend corrections. Otherwise, be a good Google fan, even when what they publish collides with your ideas.

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« Reply #49 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 10:58:14 »
    Alan, you're opening up another "can of worms" here. Inasmuch as you introduced the topic, I will give serious thought to developing a thread on the symptoms of Narcissism, based on the findings of psychiatric professionals. You may then want to rethink the matter over.

Should be entertaining. A psychiatric "professional" that consistently displays acts of narcissism, pride, and egotism is going to school us?  rofl

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« Reply #50 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 11:19:12 »
mommydi:

   
 You may even be able to distinguish whether or not one or more of your "buddies" here who agree with you need psychiatric help.

   

You know Buff,

She is right so count me in that buddy list of hers.

I will note that I had , at your suggestion, sent you my real email and name to get your column. It never came. Now I know why.

You require an agreeable selective audience.

If you find the things I say so offensive... report me. It wont be the first time.

Or block me. As I have done many times on here to people who are incapable of making sense.

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« Reply #51 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 14:55:58 »
FROM ONE OF MY READERS

    ”Someone is spreading this virus. I lost another acquaintance yesterday. Masks, social distancing, and vaccines are our weapons. It seems selfish and stupid not to use them.”—Craig.

    This is only one among many who contact me with the same message. When will the unlearned learn?

Buff

    P. S. Within 2-3 days, I hope to have my thread on "Narcissism"  ready to post. In the meantime, check Webster on "data" again. Your "Chief" is now distorting his definition. Perhaps if he were to re-enlist in grammar school, he could be re-converted to Webster's wisdom.

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« Reply #52 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 21:55:58 »
Rella:

    "I will note that I had , at your suggestion, sent you my real email and name to get your column. It never came. Now I know why. You require an agreeable selective audience."

   Your conclusion is 100% off-center. I have not received your request to be added to receive my column. Perhaps I have looked in the wrong place. I will re-check and let you know.

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« Reply #53 on: Fri Sep 24, 2021 - 22:01:22 »
Rella:

    I found your email address! It was in "Messages." Sorry, I did not go there initially. My column is on it's way, and I will add you to my mailing list.

Kindly,

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