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So many times I have been in conversations with people who tell me that someone they knew has died and is now in Heaven. I always ask, in a roundabout way, if that person believed in God. They sometimes answer, "No, but he was a good person."

Would you agree with them or would you tell them the truth?

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Re: What Do You Say To An Atheists Family After A Loved One Dies
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 05:10:10 PM »
I say only God can know where they are...even for those who profess Christianity.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 05:40:35 PM »
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?
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Re: What Do You Say To An Atheists Family After A Loved One Dies
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 07:36:45 PM »
I would say the same thing that I say to those of faith: "I'm sorry for your loss."


Why in the world would you add to their grief by saying any more?  ::headscratch::
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Re: What Do You Say To An Atheists Family After A Loved One Dies
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 07:39:14 PM »
So many times I have been in conversations with people who tell me that someone they knew has died and is now in Heaven. I always ask, in a roundabout way, if that person believed in God. They sometimes answer, "No, but he was a good person."

Would you agree with them or would you tell them the truth?


I wouldn't agree with them, but what I would say would depend on several factors like how well I knew the person and how long ago the death occurred.
He was despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; like one from whom men hide their face; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.  Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.  But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed.

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Re: What Do You Say To An Atheists Family After A Loved One Dies
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 07:41:41 PM »
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?

Serenity, you and I have had this conversation many times.  Our works don't save us.  The works of a Christian don't save them and the works of a non-Christian don't save them.  We are saved by grace when we place our faith in Jesus Christ as the atoning sacrifice for our sins, repent, are immersed into the saving work of Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit.  Apart from God's work in us when we place our faith in Christ there is no salvation.
He was despised and forsaken of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; like one from whom men hide their face; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.  Surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried; yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.  But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed.

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 07:45:50 PM »
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?

Serenity, you and I have had this conversation many times.  Our works don't save us.  The works of a Christian don't save them and the works of a non-Christian don't save them.  We are saved by grace when we place our faith in Jesus Christ as the atoning sacrifice for our sins, repent, are immersed into the saving work of Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit.  Apart from God's work in us when we place our faith in Christ there is no salvation.

Yes spurly we have had this conversation many times and many times I've said its not about earning ones salvation but rather about what Jesus said when He said you will know they are mine if they have love one for another.  I still think most underestimate the power of love and how thats really how we are His and how we serve and worship Him.  When you did it to the least of these, you did it unto me. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 08:03:45 PM »
You might tell them that Jesus said that when He returns to judge the world, those who fed the hungry and
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?

We can always say that Jesus told us that when He returns to judge the world, those who fed the hungry and cared for the sick and welcomed the stranger will come with Him to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world.
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Re: What Do You Say To An Atheists Family After A Loved One Dies
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 08:18:47 PM »
You might tell them that Jesus said that when He returns to judge the world, those who fed the hungry and
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?

We can always say that Jesus told us that when He returns to judge the world, those who fed the hungry and cared for the sick and welcomed the stranger will come with Him to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world.

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Re: What Do You Say To An Atheists Family After A Loved One Dies
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 08:23:47 PM »
I would say the same thing that I say to those of faith: "I'm sorry for your loss."


Why in the world would you add to their grief by saying any more?  ::headscratch::
Don't ask questions you shouldn't be asking and you won't be scrambling for a response to their answers.


Don't you think that if they agree that they will go to Heaven without Jesus we should tell them?  I know it is too late for their dearly-departed, but it isn't too late for them.

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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 08:34:59 PM »

...He said you will know they are mine if they have love one for another...


This just means that if you are His you will love one another.  You cannot say just because you love one another you are His. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 08:36:16 PM »
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?

Serenity, you and I have had this conversation many times.  Our works don't save us.  The works of a Christian don't save them and the works of a non-Christian don't save them.  We are saved by grace when we place our faith in Jesus Christ as the atoning sacrifice for our sins, repent, are immersed into the saving work of Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit.  Apart from God's work in us when we place our faith in Christ there is no salvation.

Yes spurly we have had this conversation many times and many times I've said its not about earning ones salvation but rather about what Jesus said when He said you will know they are mine if they have love one for another.  I still think most underestimate the power of love and how thats really how we are His and how we serve and worship Him.  When you did it to the least of these, you did it unto me. 

A person can be kind, generous, loving, and be lost as last year's Easter eggs and bust hell wide open when they die.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 08:40:52 PM »
Interesting question.  I just had a conversation with someone whose friends dad passed away and she asked her daughter if the friends dad was a Christian and she said I answered like this, mom, he didn't go to church every time the doors opened but he was very good to his fellow man and many times he would go down town and give food and clothes to the homeless and not tell anyone about it.  They would find out about his goodness from others, not the man himself so you tell me seeing as he was more Christ like than the folks you go to church with, was he a Christain?

Serenity, you and I have had this conversation many times.  Our works don't save us.  The works of a Christian don't save them and the works of a non-Christian don't save them.  We are saved by grace when we place our faith in Jesus Christ as the atoning sacrifice for our sins, repent, are immersed into the saving work of Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit.  Apart from God's work in us when we place our faith in Christ there is no salvation.

Yes spurly we have had this conversation many times and many times I've said its not about earning ones salvation but rather about what Jesus said when He said you will know they are mine if they have love one for another.  I still think most underestimate the power of love and how thats really how we are His and how we serve and worship Him.  When you did it to the least of these, you did it unto me. 

A person can be kind, generous, loving, and be lost as last year's Easter eggs and bust hell wide open when they die.

Hey olddad, good to see you.  Let me ask you this would you agree or disagree with what kmv says here:

We can always say that Jesus told us that when He returns to judge the world, those who fed the hungry and cared for the sick and welcomed the stranger will come with Him to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 08:52:04 PM »
Jesus told a parable about what would happen to people based on how they treated the King's brothers and sisters.  The Bible is clear about how one becomes a member of the King's family.
If you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2009, 08:58:08 PM »
So do you agree with it?
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