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Why Are So Many Experts Stupid?
« on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 12:20:24 »
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-price-food-gas-creeping-221605331.html

Food and gas prices are gonna go up after a year of lockdowns across the world.  Who would have thought?  As if some of this hasn't happened already?

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« Reply #1 on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 13:11:21 »
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/why-price-food-gas-creeping-221605331.html

Food and gas prices are gonna go up after a year of lockdowns across the world.  Who would have thought?  As if some of this hasn't happened already?
Brother, EVERYTHING is going up in prices, many have already gone up. Last March, we could buy 6x6x12' treated wood for $17.00 each, then they went up to $27.00 each about the first of the summer, NOW they are $82.98.00 each, plus taxes! We install fences and the prices in one year have gone out of sight! That's just one example, I could many more. Just received a letter from one of our suppliers yesterday telling us all of our irrigation parts are going up at least 25 %! The cost of doing business is really going way up and also our workers are demanded more because the cost of living is going out of the roof and I fully understand. The cost of each employer is going way up because of INSURANCE, etc. I just told my son I'm out here totally by year's end..... work hard, smart and you MIGHT have a little leftover when it is all said and done~OR, the present powers that be, might put many businesses out before it is all over with.

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Re: Why Are So Many Experts Stupid?
« Reply #2 on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 13:36:22 »
Brother, EVERYTHING is going up in prices, many have already gone up. Last March, we could buy 6x6x12' treated wood for $17.00 each, then they went up to $27.00 each about the first of the summer, NOW they are $82.98.00 each, plus taxes! We install fences and the prices in one year have gone out of sight! That's just one example, I could many more. Just received a letter from one of our suppliers yesterday telling us all of our irrigation parts are going up at least 25 %! The cost of doing business is really going way up and also our workers are demanded more because the cost of living is going out of the roof and I fully understand. The cost of each employer is going way up because of INSURANCE, etc. I just told my son I'm out here totally by year's end..... work hard, smart and you MIGHT have a little leftover when it is all said and done~OR, the present powers that be, might put many businesses out before it is all over with.

Thats what happens when you put America last.

My gas prices have jumped way up already once Biden cut the Keystone pipeline . I was paying about $2.29 a gallon and now
I am at $2.99 a gallon.  Wont talk about food prices.

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Re: Why Are So Many Experts Stupid?
« Reply #3 on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 14:17:19 »
Everyone knew it would happen, but now that it is too late, they are willing to put it out in the open to the low information, borg drones.

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Re: Why Are So Many Experts Stupid?
« Reply #4 on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 16:17:53 »
Hey Red. I got a fencing question. How come if a person uses treated cedar posts for a fence that they will twist sometimes 90 degrees from their original orientation. Craziest thing I have ever seen. What use is treated lumber that does that?

PS, I would imagine the gasoline prices will be sky high soon. If Biden pulls his pants down for the Iranian Mullahs like he and Obama did, look out! Israel won't wait for us to come to our senses.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 16:30:45 »


PS, I would imagine the gasoline prices will be sky high soon. If Biden pulls his pants down for the Iranian Mullahs like he and Obama did, look out! Israel won't wait for us to come to our senses.

You're right.

I miss President Trump so much. He would have fought for the oil and gas workers instead of crushing them.

Donald Trump was the President of the working man (and woman).
Biden is the president of  - well, IDK.


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« Reply #6 on: Tue Mar 02, 2021 - 20:43:42 »
Biden is the president of  - well, IDK.
...the highest bidder.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 03:27:22 »
Biden is the president of  - well, IDK.
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« Reply #8 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 03:40:57 »
Hey Red. I got a fencing question. How come if a person uses treated cedar posts for a fence that they will twist sometimes 90 degrees from their original orientation. Craziest thing I have ever seen. What use is treated lumber that does that?
A few reasons: Properly drying or curing wood to prevent warping~Don't allow partially dry lumber to quickly regain moisture. Don't dry lumber too slowly (doing so could worsen any bowing and other warping) Don't over dry lumber, which can lead to cracking, splits and end grain checking. Some lumber companies have MUCH BETTER lumber than the MAIN suppliers. Smaller companies tend to have MUCH BETTER treated wood than larger ones. Find a good company you can trust~Mom and POPS are generally the best believe it or not. NEVER use NAILS, ALWAYS use screws~they have them for treated wood.... last but not least, ALWAYS handpick your own lumber to avoid ones that are already warping. Treated lumber is much like concrete~most treated wood over many years will warp a little, concrete WILL CRACK it is just a matter WHEN.  We do a lot of concrete and ALWAYS tell our customers that concrete cracks and we cannot be responsible for it. Overall one can minimize cracks but cannot stop them over a period of time...they ARE coming.   
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« Reply #9 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 06:46:32 »
A few reasons: Properly drying or curing wood to prevent warping~Don't allow partially dry lumber to quickly regain moisture. Don't dry lumber too slowly (doing so could worsen any bowing and other warping) Don't over dry lumber, which can lead to cracking, splits and end grain checking. Some lumber companies have MUCH BETTER lumber than the MAIN suppliers. Smaller companies tend to have MUCH BETTER treated wood than larger ones. Find a good company you can trust~Mom and POPS are generally the best believe it or not. NEVER use NAILS, ALWAYS use screws~they have them for treated wood.... last but not least, ALWAYS handpick your own lumber to avoid ones that are already warping. Treated lumber is much like concrete~most treated wood over many years will warp a little, concrete WILL CRACK it is just a matter WHEN.  We do a lot of concrete and ALWAYS tell our customers that concrete cracks and we cannot be responsible for it. Overall one can minimize cracks but cannot stop them over a period of time...they ARE coming.   


This is one of the reasons why I try my hardest never to order extra lumber when doing a job, last time I ordered 2"x12"16' & 6"x6" x12' PT lumber, I had it all assembled on the post saddles, caps, and joist hangers inside of a week. Deflection was minimal and I didn't end up with a bunch of extra lumber that would sit and warp to the point of being useless.

Regrading lumber prices; in a word-INSANE!

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 07:05:11 »
It is only going to get worse.  99.995 of everything you buy includes a cost of shipping.  The cost of shipping is intimately tied to the cost of fuel.  The communists in charge have just caused the price of fuel to rise; and that is far from over.

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Re: Why Are So Many Experts Stupid?
« Reply #11 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 07:36:30 »
What circumstances is treated lumber the preferred choice on ANY kind of project. I assume fence posts is NOT one of them. Never seen a straight fence post made out of treated lumber. On cedar fences here, they are now all built with galvanized pipe posts.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 07:49:55 »
What circumstances is treated lumber the preferred choice on ANY kind of project. I assume fence posts is NOT one of them. Never seen a straight fence post made out of treated lumber. On cedar fences here, theybare now all built with galvanized pipe posts.

I used treated lumber to build my 16'x28' deck, the deck boards are cedar and all of the upright posts were wrapped in 1/4" cedar cladding. The cedar was coated with Cutek oil. Basically, the PT lumber was used only for the framing.


PT treated lumber does not change the properties of the wood itself, the penetration is only so deep. The purpose is to protect it from the elements where untreated lumber would otherwise decay rapidly.


I use minimum 6"x6" for fence posts, a 4"x4" just doesn't cut it IMO.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 08:06:29 »
They should treat with creosote again.  That stuff keeps wood usable a long time.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 08:26:22 »
They should treat with creosote again.  That stuff keeps wood usable a long time.
At best around fifteen years! PT stain about every three years or so will last a person's lifetime.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 08:44:32 »
At best around fifteen years! PT stain about every three years or so will last a person's lifetime.

The creosote treated wood they used in the rural electrification act for power poles back in the 30's was in great shape 70 years later.  Saw plenty of brass tags from 1935. 

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« Reply #16 on: Wed Mar 03, 2021 - 14:56:35 »
The creosote treated wood they used in the rural electrification act for power poles back in the 30's was in great shape 70 years later.  Saw plenty of brass tags from 1935.
You very well may be correct, obviously they treated them with a higher dose of it back then.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Mar 05, 2021 - 11:44:26 »
At best around fifteen years! PT stain about every three years or so will last a person's lifetime.

Yep.  In high school and college, I worked summers on track gangs, replacing rotted railroad ties.   They were permeated with creosote, and while it lasts a long time, in a matter of years, they have to be replaced.   They were buried in gravel, and subject to considerable mechanical stress, which might have had some effect.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Mar 05, 2021 - 12:24:16 »
Of course a vertically mounted telephone pole is going to last longer than a railroad tie buried in gravel.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Mar 11, 2021 - 09:09:55 »
Of course a vertically mounted telephone pole is going to last longer than a railroad tie buried in gravel.

Yes.   And I have no doubt that the mechanical stresses on a railroad tie are much higher than on a telephone pole.

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Mar 11, 2021 - 09:38:31 »
Yes.   And I have no doubt that the mechanical stresses on a railroad tie are much higher than on a telephone pole.


You don't think the constant wind would put considerable stress on a telephone pole over time?

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Mar 11, 2021 - 09:56:07 »

You don't think the constant wind would put considerable stress on a telephone pole over time?

There are stresses of attachments as well.  Industry conventions for burying poles is 10% +2 ft.  So a 45' pole would typically be 37.5' at the top, with 6.5' underneath.

I do know that in the olden days of rural electrification they creosote method was probably a little more robust than in modern times.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Mar 11, 2021 - 10:10:45 »

I do know that in the olden days of rural electrification they creosote method was probably a little more robust than in modern times.


As was everything, paints and various coatings, Malathion, DDT, refrigerants, etc

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Mar 12, 2021 - 10:33:50 »

You don't think the constant wind would put considerable stress on a telephone pole over time?

Oh, it does.  Not like the forces of a few trains a day on ties.   They get quite a beating.  I'm always impressed by the strength wood used for that purpose.

 

     
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