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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2010, 08:29:52 AM »
Pure and simple, Christians support Israel because God declared this to Abraham in Gen 17 regarding the land of Canaan,

5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham ; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations.
6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you.
7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.
8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession ; and I will be their God."


Did God judge the Israelites/Jews for their sin, unbelief, and failure to keep God's covenant? Yes, God did, allowing their enemies to take their land away from them many times, the last dispersion occurring in 70 AD.  But when this prophesy of Zech 12:10 is fulfilled, the Jews will be living again in the land God gave to Abraham and his descendants "for an everlasting possession."

"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced ; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn."

The Jews are now in the land of Canaan to stay until this prophesy is fulfilled, and our Lord Jesus returns according to Zech 14,

2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled , but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east ; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.
5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel ; yes, you will flee just as you fled before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!


I for one do not want to be a part of those nations who come to fight against Israel and the Lord!

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2010, 08:43:02 AM »



   Amen John.  GOD bless.

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2010, 09:44:27 AM »
John: "I for one do not want to be a part of those nations who come to fight against Israel and the Lord!"

The Romans did in 70 A.D., and history reveals that as Jesus prophesied, "your house is left unto you desolate" (Ma. 23:38) came to fution. 
Not only is their house "desolate" but the "Doom of the Rock," Muslim's holy shrine, Islams most holy place sets on the rubble of the Jewish temple. God works in misterious ways to "grind into powder the stone the builder rejects" (Ma. 21:44). This parable came to fution in 70 A.D.
You couldn't find a biblical Jew in the state of Israel today with a search warrant (Numbers 1:18).
 
 
 

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2010, 10:16:32 AM »
Gen 17:14  And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Gen 18:19  For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.


Gen 26:4  And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


Lev 26:40  If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

Lev 26:42  Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.


The point in posting the above verses is to show the conditional nature of the Abrahamic covenant.


2Jn 1:9  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.



1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


1Jn 4:2  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

2Jn 1:9  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


The above scripture are very plain if one does not have the Son they do not have the Father.   The Jewish religion of today fits the above bibical discription.

As a nation, country, democracy, i fully believe the Good ol USA should support Israel. As we did Kuwait.

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2010, 10:55:19 AM »
I believe Israel or most of the Jews WILL sometime in the future confess their trespasses and God WILL remember his everlasting covenant. Just as Romans 11 describes. If we as a wild root can be grafted in, how much more can a natural root be grafted in once it is broken off. God has a plan for the Jews. has it been consumated? not yet. Is Romans 11 not valid? Not in my mind.

 

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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2010, 11:02:17 AM »
John: "I for one do not want to be a part of those nations who come to fight against Israel and the Lord!"

The Romans did in 70 A.D., and history reveals that as Jesus prophesied, "your house is left unto you desolate" (Ma. 23:38) came to fution. 
Not only is their house "desolate" but the "Doom of the Rock," Muslim's holy shrine, Islams most holy place sets on the rubble of the Jewish temple. God works in misterious ways to "grind into powder the stone the builder rejects" (Ma. 21:44). This parable came to fution in 70 A.D.
You couldn't find a biblical Jew in the state of Israel today with a search warrant (Numbers 1:18).
 

There is an ever growing number of Messianic Jews in Israel.

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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2010, 11:03:49 AM »
John: "I for one do not want to be a part of those nations who come to fight against Israel and the Lord!"

The Romans did in 70 A.D., and history reveals that as Jesus prophesied, "your house is left unto you desolate" (Ma. 23:38) came to fution.  
Not only is their house "desolate" but the "Doom of the Rock," Muslim's holy shrine, Islams most holy place sets on the rubble of the Jewish temple. God works in misterious ways to "grind into powder the stone the builder rejects" (Ma. 21:44). This parable came to fution in 70 A.D.
You couldn't find a biblical Jew in the state of Israel today with a search warrant (Numbers 1:18).

Did the Jews fulfill the prophesy of Zech 12:10 in 70 AD?  No, they did not!  

When the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ gets serious about completing the work on earth that He has called us to do according to Matt 24:14, the prophesies of Zech 12:10 & Rom 11 will be fulfilled, and the end will come according Zech 14:2-5.

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« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2010, 02:02:10 PM »
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There is an ever growing number of Messianic Jews in Israel.


Praise the Lord!

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2010, 02:35:32 PM »
The scales are beginning to fall from their eyes.

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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2010, 03:44:32 PM »

Eagle,

so you would not have a problem if the Indians wanted their (U.S.) land back?

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« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2010, 05:48:14 PM »
I don't understand, what Indian is alive today that owned , lets say New York?  I do not have a right to go to France ( my ancestors home land) and demand land.

As i told a friend (Indian) i am as native as you are. I was born here. 

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« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2010, 05:50:50 PM »

I'm sure there are plenty of Indians that would welcome their land back.

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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2010, 05:53:07 PM »

I'm sure there are plenty of Indians that would welcome their land back.


I do not understand your point. How does your point relate to this thread?   What Indian do you know who owned this land?

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« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2010, 05:59:36 PM »

Yes, we have veered off a little and you have made comments since then I think?

One of my ancestors was booted off his property (during the Trail of Tears) for marrying a Cherokee. Think if I went there today they would gladly return it to my family?

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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2010, 06:11:49 PM »
So if a persons family owned something years ago it should still belong to that family?

The Trail of Tears was ugly.   

 My question to you is where did your family come from?

 Where did they migrate from?  I dont buy the word indigous. Because we all go back to Noah.