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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #105 on: September 03, 2010, 03:38:18 PM »
The problem is that a lot of people think the people of Israel are forgotten by God. In no way are they forgotten.

Paul said in Romans 11:1  I ask then, did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


Of course they are not forgotten. All of Israel is being dealt with. It was declared by God through the Prophets. In Romans 9,10, & 11 Paul is citing alot of scripture here. The scripture Paul is citing clarifies the context of what Paul is talking about. Paul references Hosea specifically chapters 1 & 2, He also cites Isaiah, Moses, Ezekial, Kings, Jeremiah, Joel, Psalms.  Paul is also teaching how to study scripture, the importance of understanding scripture, how scripture defines scripture and pointing to the fulfillment of God's plan by compelling his audience to read & study the scriptures credited to Moses & the Prophets.

Paul is teaching a mystery that is revealed and proven by the study of scripture.

The scriptures show Paul is talking about the curse & promised restoration of the two kingdoms, "all of Israel". Paul declares he is a Benjamite, one of the tribes of "all of Isreal". Why the salvation by the "election of grace" for "all of Israel" is connected to the "fullness of the gentiles".

Paul knew where Judah, Benjamin, partial Levi, the Jews, the kingdom of Judah, the remant of 7000 spoken of in Isaiah, was. Paul also knew where Epharaim & Mannasseh(Joseph), Rueben, Simeon, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, remaining Levi, the kingdom of Israel were as well. They had been cursed, cut off, scattered among the nations, the ethnos, the gentiles for a purpose. God promised to redeem them and that they would be called by a new name, "sons of God".

This is why their curse has become a blessing to the gentiles, the ethnos, the nations. The rest of Israel (Epharaim & Mannasseh(Joseph), Rueben, Simeon, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, remaing Levi), is among the ethnos, the natons, the gentiles. As the gentiles, the ethnos, the nations recieve Christ ,the"gospel of grace", so does "all of Israel". Their curse & promised redemption becomes the blessing of the entire world through Christ!

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« Reply #106 on: September 03, 2010, 05:09:05 PM »
I was asking of John1010 about the blood (the blood we have in our bodies) if a person is saved because of his/her bloodline how much of that blood does one need to be Jewish? 

No matter what physical blood one has in their veins - Jew or Gentile, it still requires repentance and the shed blood of Jesus to cover their sins, and to be "born again of the Spirit" to be able to enter into the kingdom of God (John 1:5). 

When God saves the Jews in Rom 11, it will be through the blood of Jesus, not through their Jewish blood.

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #107 on: September 03, 2010, 06:56:56 PM »
For sure John 10:10.
Also good post Tonka.

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #108 on: September 03, 2010, 07:55:10 PM »
Thank you John !

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Peace talks won't mean justice for Jews either
« Reply #109 on: September 04, 2010, 01:19:59 PM »
Conveniently overlooked by those who insist only in Palestinian justice are these facts:

(1)  The Jews lived in and occupied the land of Israel much of the time from the time of Abraham to the dispora of the Jews in 70 AD, with Jerusalem as it's capital.

(2)  About 726,000 Arabs fled or were driven out of Israel and became refugees in neighboring Arab countries.  The conflict created about as many Jewish refugees from Arab countries, many of whom were stripped of their property, rights and nationality, but Israel has not pursued claims on behalf of these refugees.

(3)  A far larger number of Jews left the Arab and Muslim countries, due directly to the conflict, or to persecution of Jews in Arab and Muslim countries which intensified as a result of the conflict.

(4)  The Palestinians declare this:  "Unless Jerusalem will be Palestinian, as it was throughout history, the capital of the Palestinian state and the capital of the Palestinian people, the place which is the object of heartfelt longing and which all Muslims aspire to reach; unless Jerusalem is like that way, there is no peace. There is no peace without Jerusalem. There is no stability without Jerusalem.

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2010, 04:45:51 PM »
“Because God uses them as a nation and has an everlasting covenant with them.

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« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2010, 04:50:07 PM »
Yesterday an article about the current Israel/Palestine peace talks appeared and in it one settler said this

Many settlers oppose the two-state solution backed by the United States and see the West Bank, captured by Israel from Jordan during the Six Day War in 1967, as Israel's biblical birthright.

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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #112 on: September 10, 2010, 12:09:32 PM »
yesult said: “you deliberatly ignored the ones prophesying the return of their land and God keeping it for them under christ forever.

At first I took the above as an insult since I have not “ignored

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« Reply #113 on: September 10, 2010, 12:14:27 PM »
“The scriptures show Paul is talking about the curse & promised restoration of the two kingdoms, "all of Israel". Paul declares he is a Benjamite, one of the tribes of "all of Isreal". Why the salvation by the "election of grace" for "all of Israel" is connected to the "fullness of the gentiles".

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« Reply #114 on: September 10, 2010, 01:04:08 PM »
“The scriptures show Paul is talking about the curse & promised restoration of the two kingdoms, "all of Israel". Paul declares he is a Benjamite, one of the tribes of "all of Isreal". Why the salvation by the "election of grace" for "all of Israel" is connected to the "fullness of the gentiles".

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« Reply #115 on: September 10, 2010, 01:51:19 PM »
Zechariah 12:1-3 declares,

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The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens,  lays the foundation of the earth, and  forms the spirit of man within him,  "Behold, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that causes reeling to all the peoples around ; and when the siege is against Jerusalem, it will also be against Judah.  It will come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it."

Why do Christians support Israel?

Because we are the ones who are commanced to pray and work for the peace of Jerusalem (Psa 122:6) until Jesus comes as the Prince of Peace, not try to figure out more and more ways why the Jews don't beling there!

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« Reply #116 on: September 10, 2010, 02:51:07 PM »
“Read What Hosea says, compare it to what Paul says, compare it to what Ezekiel, Isaiah & the other prophets say. From Genesis to Revelations the Bible is consistent & True. God chose a small people to bring Christ to all people.

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« Reply #117 on: September 10, 2010, 02:57:22 PM »
Your quotes and verse is referring to a period that has already passed. Jerusalem was besieged by the Israelites and many within were slaughtered. What the Israeli’s are doing now is different.

The Israelis have no biblical standing for this last invasion. They claim that they have a biblical birthright to Samaria which they now say is the West Bank.

This is their excuse for the invasion and the occupation of the West Bank. I must say it is all bunk. They have no birthright claims to Jerusalem or the West Bank, period.

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« Reply #118 on: September 10, 2010, 03:28:05 PM »
“Read What Hosea says, compare it to what Paul says, compare it to what Ezekiel, Isaiah & the other prophets say. From Genesis to Revelations the Bible is consistent & True. God chose a small people to bring Christ to all people.
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Re: why do Christians support Israel-???
« Reply #119 on: September 10, 2010, 03:50:10 PM »
Your quotes and verse is referring to a period that has already passed. Jerusalem was besieged by the Israelites and many within were slaughtered. What the Israeli’s are doing now is different.

The Israelis have no biblical standing for this last invasion. They claim that they have a biblical birthright to Samaria which they now say is the West Bank.

This is their excuse for the invasion and the occupation of the West Bank. I must say it is all bunk. They have no birthright claims to Jerusalem or the West Bank, period.
 

When the Lord Jesus and all the holy ones with Him return according to Zech 14:5, I will let you tell the Lord why the Jews don't belong there!