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Women, YOU ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRESSING MODESTLY, AS MUCH AS MEN ARE FOR KEEPING THEIR EYES PURE!!

Matthew 18:6
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”

Does the Bible not say this?

You have a CHOICE!  You *ALWAYS* have a choice.  So stop dressing like a hoochie, and dress for GOD.  Just telling like it is.

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True, but women dressing scantily clad also need to take responsibility, rather than saying, "Well if I was raised better, I wouldn't be like this".  One day, each of us will give an account of our actions, and we will not be able to point the finger at others.

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So stop dressing like a hoochie, and dress for GOD. 
So give me chapter and verse on what that looks like.

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True, but women dressing scantily clad also need to take responsibility, rather than saying, "Well if I was raised better, I wouldn't be like this".  One day, each of us will give an account of our actions, and we will not be able to point the finger at others.

I have known women who dress "like that". Not one of them ever said if they were raised better.

In the day of the string bikini and thong underwear too many women are out to entice the would be attention payers.

And the more shocking and scantily clad one is they feel the rung the bell with all the attention.

Back when I was interested and looking... NO ONE looked at me first... but they did the micro mini wearing plunging necklines
and those were the girls who got the dates..... long before me.

I well remember the sermon, on television, when one pastor preached very loudly about the way the women would sit in the first pew and strongly suggested the move back into the church.

I have watched the teen and pre-teen girls before and after school and the way they dress... seemingly oblivious to the raging hormones in the boys that they have no clue how to handle... if they could from the wrong stimulation.

You cannot even turn on a computer if you are running google without being enticed by the comments of the see through clothing that assults the eyeballs. (NO... I dont google... I Avast these days.)

And the total opposite of these are the basic slobs with the torn jeans and sloppy shirts. It seems that modesty is too middle of the road for so many.

I do feel sorry for you men.

Just my  ::twocents::

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So give me chapter and verse on what that looks like.



1 Timothy 2:9,10

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1 Timothy 2:9,10
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1 Timothy 2
9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.

I do hope you understand that "modest" in this context has nothing to do with how much skin is showing, but rather how expensive the garment is.  That goes along with braided hair (sign of wealth) and the gold and pearls. (expensive jewelry)

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NKJV1 Timothy 29 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, 10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.I do hope you understand that "modest" in this context has nothing to do with how much skin is showing, but rather how expensive the garment is.  That goes along with braided hair (sign of wealth) and the gold and pearls. (expensive jewelry)



Spinning it your way again Dave? Alrighty then.
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Spinning it your way again Dave? Alrighty then. ::whistle::
He is at it again~Dave, BOTH are immodest as becoming a saint. Too much flesh seen would be much more so.

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Spinning it your way again Dave?
Not at all.  Just removing the colorization of the text by 20th-21st century western mindset and putting it back in a first century mideastern mindset.

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BOTH are immodest as becoming a saint. Too much flesh seen would be much more so.
To modern eyes and mindset - yes.  But you have to deal with the text (all scripture) devoid of modern western mindset and understanding.

What did the text say to the original audience?  NOT what it says to us necessarily. If you insist on seeing only thru modern eyes then you are reading something into the text that is not there. Eisegesis.  Not a good thing.
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Not at all.  Just removing the colorization of the text by 20th-21st century western mindset and putting it back in a first century mideastern mindset.



So it's okay for women in public to wear thongs and tops that barely cover their areolae? Teenage school girls that wear leggings and micro mini skirts that leave nothing to the imagination?

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To modern eyes and mindset - yes.  But you have to deal with the text (all scripture) devoid of modern western mindset and understanding.

What did the text say to the original audience?  NOT what it says to us necessarily. If you insist on seeing only thru modern eyes then you are reading something into the text that is not there. Eisegesis.  Not a good thing.

We don't have to have a non-western mindset to realize what immodesty is.  You might want to find something other topic to push that ideal.

The original audience would not think showing a lot of skin was proper.  And the original audience, Timothy (a Jew), was in Ephesus, in a Gentile church.

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1st Timothy 2:8,10~"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works."
Let me quote from a voice in the past whose writings should be held in high esteem MORE SO, for his practical teachings on godliness than any other doctrine this man of God taught. When I read behind such men, I do so MORE to hear how they taught of practical living that should guide our lives as saints. The highlights are mine, in order to help the reader to grasp the words being taught. 

"He intended to embrace the opportunity of correcting a vice to which women are almost always prone, and which perhaps at Ephesus, being a city of vast wealth and extensive merchandise, especially abounded. That vice is — excessive eagerness and desire to be richly dressed. He wishes therefore that their dress should be regulated by modesty and sobriety; for luxury and immoderate expense arise from a desire to make a display either for the sake of pride or of departure from chastity. And hence we ought to derive the rule of moderation; for, since dress is an indifferent matter, (as all outward matters are,) it is difficult to assign a fixed limit, how far we ought to go. Magistrates may indeed make laws, by means of which a rage for superfluous expenditure shall be in some measure restrained; but godly teachers, whose business it is to guide the consciences, ought always to keep in view the end of lawful use. This at least will be settled beyond all controversy, that every thing in dress which is not in accordance with modesty and sobriety must be disapproved.

Yet we must always begin with the dispositions; for where debauchery reigns within, there will be no chastity; and where ambition reigns within, there will be no modesty in the outward dress. But because hypocrites commonly avail themselves of all the pretexts that they can find for concealing their wicked dispositions, we are under the necessity of pointing out what meets the eye. It would be great baseness to deny the appropriateness of modesty as the peculiar and constant ornament of virtuous and chaste women, or the duty of all to observe moderation. Whatever is opposed to these virtues it will be in vain to excuse. He expressly censures certain kinds of superfluity, such as curled hair, jewels, and golden rings; not that the use of gold or of jewels is expressly forbidden, but that, wherever they are prominently displayed, these things commonly draw along with them the other evils which I have mentioned, and arise from ambition or from want of chastity as their source." (John Calvin 1550)

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Yesterday, Friday, I was at a wedding.

NOT the reception but for the ceremony only.  2;30 in the afternoon... about an hour away near Arnold Palmer Gold course and airport and the summer training camp for the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Only mention location to give those of you who know about them a general location.....

Anyway...

It was held at St. Vincent's Basilica at St Vincent's college because both he and she were graduates from there.

A very Catholic everything.

My mom an I were underdressed for a wedding... but would have been suitable for Morton's Steak house or Ruth's Chris
(again mentioned only for a reference.

Well... enter the "fashion show" into the sanctuary. And this fashio show was quite observable as we were on the aisle, directly behind the brides parents and as they all walked forward to take their communion... ( those who wanted to) I saw
the 20 somthing girl in he micro mini dress. Not too bad... a bit leggy but the dress was pretty. Then I saw the 20 something
plump girl in her micro mini dress that had ruffles around the bottom. Again not a bad looking dress if you like that style but the plump legs were just a spoiler ... at least for the young men there I would think....

Then game the girl in yellow. Yellow dress. like a canary that was sooooooo tight that you could see the outline of all her undies
not to mention while not transparent was a bit translucent.

But the best of all... and she had been wandering around doing whatever since we arrived....

The mother of the groom. Late 50s or early 60s.

She had on an all black eveninfg(?) dress... floor length.

The back was cut very low and it was off the shoulders.

The front was barely covering her bosom and had someone accidentally stap on the hem... as it dragged slightly on the floor
 ::eek:: ::eek::

So even the catholics dont have dress guidelines for in the sanctuary.





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Your post makes me laugh as I recalled a sermon about 40 years ago. Our preacher in El Paso was preaching on this topic and said a lot of times people will overlook or make excuses for pretty girls wearing obscene clothes while being totally appalled when fat ugly girls try the same thing. He said sarcastically, “fat ugly girls have as much right to dress obscenly as slim pretty girls.” Come to think of it he actually said, “Two ton Tessie has the same right to be outrageous and obscene as the pretty slim girl.” That was a bold statement made to shock, but it did hit at societal problem, I think.
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So it's okay for women in public to wear thongs and tops that barely cover their areolae? Teenage school girls that wear leggings and micro mini skirts that leave nothing to the imagination?
I am not saying that at all. 

I am just saying the scripture texts on "modesty" are not addressing that issue.  We are told to "rightly divide the Word of Truth."  Your point is valid.  You just need to find the correct scriptures to support it.
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So give me chapter and verse on what that looks like.

You don't want Biblical justification for modest decent wardrobe.  You just want to argue. 

Do your own homework.  It's the truth and it's out there.

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Women, YOU ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRESSING MODESTLY, AS MUCH AS MEN ARE FOR KEEPING THEIR EYES PURE!!

Matthew 18:6
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”

Does the Bible not say this?

You have a CHOICE!  You *ALWAYS* have a choice.  So stop dressing like a hoochie, and dress for GOD.  Just telling like it is.

The only men that modern women seem to like are those that dress like they do.  Those fellows are all about the wardrobe and not the person beneath it BECAUSE they are more enamored of other fellows with the same disposition.

There's always an agenda and the agenda always opposes common decency.

I go to the grocery store and everyday I see women in yoga pants.  Those items leave nothing to the imagination.   Women who wear such things are hypocrites because a fellow with a normal libido will take a second look.

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