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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2009, 03:56:58 PM »

Thanks for your concern, but I'm one of the lucky ones. Quit using over 23 yrs. ago without any programs or such. Can't tell you for sure, but have always assumed He helped me as He had other things for me to do. But, I've buried both friends and family because of addictions. And, as I've already said, it all started with one drink.

What a waste.   Frowning
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2009, 01:44:52 PM »

Plain and simple: Work out your own salvation.  If one truly believes, in his heart that is in NOT a sin to drink alcohol then, that is up to him.  As long as he knows that is is not ok however, to get drunk, I don't see a problem.  I don't believe that God would send someone to hell for drinking a glass a wine a night.   
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2009, 02:21:01 PM »

I drank more alcoholic beverage by age 21 than most people drink in a lifetime.
The Lord delivered me from my bondage to drink--even before I was saved. I began reading the gospels a few months prior to accepting Jesus Christ as my Saviour and Lord and discovered, to my amazement, that as I continued my daily readings, the compulsion to imbibe was removed. What a miracle!

I agree with Crowcamp, it is better not to begin. For if you do not begin, you will never suffer a hangover or a blackout and you will never become the drunk that I was. There are a lot of people who believed that drink couldn't take them down, but many of them wound up as statistics in the negative column. To those who possess the liberty in Christ to drink booze, then that is your right. No argument there. But I would caution those who are presently abstainers and who feel they would like to test out that liberty. Keep in mind that nothing good ever comes out of a bottle of old John Barleycorn. It is at best a neutral experience that can frequently turn harmful.

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2009, 03:22:48 PM »

I drank more alcoholic beverage by age 21 than most people drink in a lifetime.
The Lord delivered me from my bondage to drink--even before I was saved. I began reading the gospels a few months prior to accepting Jesus Christ as my Saviour and Lord and discovered, to my amazement, that as I continued my daily readings, the compulsion to imbibe was removed. What a miracle!

I agree with Crowcamp, it is better not to begin. For if you do not begin, you will never suffer a hangover or a blackout and you will never become the drunk that I was. There are a lot of people who believed that drink couldn't take them down, but many of them wound up as statistics in the negative column. To those who possess the liberty in Christ to drink booze, then that is your right. No argument there. But I would caution those who are presently abstainers and who feel they would like to test out that liberty. Keep in mind that nothing good ever comes out of a bottle of old John Barleycorn. It is at best a neutral experience that can frequently turn harmful.

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Thank you, canuck. I have witnessed people in seizures, choking on their own vomit, and buried a brother because of drinking. And I won't even go into my personal hell. There has never been a time I have ever seen it improve a single life.

And Natesgirl, My salvation has given me a love for the rest of humanity that brings me to want the best for all of them. I cannot save anyone, only He can. And I can't even bring them to Him. We all do as we choose. What I can do is my best to make all of life better. I have many friends who drink in what I suppose you would call a "controlled" manner. I do not preach to them, but I do pray for them.
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 11:26:08 PM »

I dont drink but my husband says it is ok for Christians to have a few beers or a couple of  glasses of wine.  I know God does not like "drunkenness".   

 Is it okay for a Christian to indulge in alcohol as long as they don't get drunk?  My husband says it is not a sin to drink alcohol as the biblical figures in the bible drank wine.
If it was a sin to drink wine, then how come Jesus performed his first miracle at a wedding by turning water into a huge amount of wine?  Jesus was perfect, and he condoned drinking, probably because it was a celebration and part of sharing good times with other people.  Do I think He condoned getting smashed drunk and stumbling around, well, frankly, NO.  But everything in moderation and with balance.  This is a big issue for me.  I think some people get much too "black and white".  May I also mention that Jesus used wine as a symbol for His blood during the last supper.  If it was so "evil", why didn't he use milk for instance, or water?
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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 11:37:30 PM »

I dont drink but my husband says it is ok for Christians to have a few beers or a couple of  glasses of wine.  I know God does not like "drunkenness".   

 Is it okay for a Christian to indulge in alcohol as long as they don't get drunk?  My husband says it is not a sin to drink alcohol as the biblical figures in the bible drank wine.
If it was a sin to drink wine, then how come Jesus performed his first miracle at a wedding by turning water into a huge amount of wine?  Jesus was perfect, and he condoned drinking, probably because it was a celebration and part of sharing good times with other people.  Do I think He condoned getting smashed drunk and stumbling around, well, frankly, NO.  But everything in moderation and with balance.  This is a big issue for me.  I think some people get much too "black and white".  May I also mention that Jesus used wine as a symbol for His blood during the last supper.  If it was so "evil", why didn't he use milk for instance, or water?
After reading some of these above posts concerning alcoholism, I want to add something more to my post... I feel that alcohol CAN be misused, and if you feel like it is a temptation area for you, then don't think you can sneak one drink and be okay, don't tempt yourself.  But for me, alcohol is not really a problem.  Sexual addiction, yeah, a problem.  But I can have a glass of wine or two and stop.  I know that sounds probably contradictory, but anyways.  I do however, find that the atmosphere of a bar or outdoor "drinking/party" event, where there is a party mentality, I find that kind of atmosphere sometimes a little tempting.  Not so much anymore, but I don't really want to expose myself to that scene, so I just avoid it completely for the most part. 

On another note, I want to have a BBQ at my house sometime soon.  I thought it would be cool to serve virgin strawberry daiquiris.  I thought it would be nice to have a bottle of wine, too, but I feel like some of my Christian friends are SO against alcohol that I wouldn't want to get the comments from them, or feel like I am trying to cause trouble.  So I probably won't serve wine.  Now I sound like a hypocrite.  yes, I think wine drinking is okay, but I am hesitant to serve wine , for fear of being judged or talked about by other Christians at my church.  Sigh.  Oh well. We'll see.
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"He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6)
"The word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path" (Psalm 119 :105) "
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification..." (1st Thess. 4:3)
"Sit down, O Jerusalem! Loose yourself from the bonds of your neck, O captive daughter of Zion" (Isaiah 52:2)
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13)
"Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me and I shall be whiter than snow" (Psalm 51:7)
"As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us" (Psalm 103:12)

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2009, 12:11:31 AM »

I drank more alcoholic beverage by age 21 than most people drink in a lifetime.

canuck

I had no idea -how awful ---and I'm so happy for you now. Praise God.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2009, 06:24:15 AM »

I dont drink but my husband says it is ok for Christians to have a few beers or a couple of  glasses of wine.  I know God does not like "drunkenness".   

 Is it okay for a Christian to indulge in alcohol as long as they don't get drunk?  My husband says it is not a sin to drink alcohol as the biblical figures in the bible drank wine.
If it was a sin to drink wine, then how come Jesus performed his first miracle at a wedding by turning water into a huge amount of wine?  Jesus was perfect, and he condoned drinking, probably because it was a celebration and part of sharing good times with other people.  Do I think He condoned getting smashed drunk and stumbling around, well, frankly, NO.  But everything in moderation and with balance.  This is a big issue for me.  I think some people get much too "black and white".  May I also mention that Jesus used wine as a symbol for His blood during the last supper.  If it was so "evil", why didn't he use milk for instance, or water?
After reading some of these above posts concerning alcoholism, I want to add something more to my post... I feel that alcohol CAN be misused, and if you feel like it is a temptation area for you, then don't think you can sneak one drink and be okay, don't tempt yourself.  But for me, alcohol is not really a problem.  Sexual addiction, yeah, a problem.  But I can have a glass of wine or two and stop.  I know that sounds probably contradictory, but anyways.  I do however, find that the atmosphere of a bar or outdoor "drinking/party" event, where there is a party mentality, I find that kind of atmosphere sometimes a little tempting.  Not so much anymore, but I don't really want to expose myself to that scene, so I just avoid it completely for the most part. 

On another note, I want to have a BBQ at my house sometime soon.  I thought it would be cool to serve virgin strawberry daiquiris.  I thought it would be nice to have a bottle of wine, too, but I feel like some of my Christian friends are SO against alcohol that I wouldn't want to get the comments from them, or feel like I am trying to cause trouble.  So I probably won't serve wine.  Now I sound like a hypocrite.  yes, I think wine drinking is okay, but I am hesitant to serve wine , for fear of being judged or talked about by other Christians at my church.  Sigh.  Oh well. We'll see.

It depends upon your denomination. Methodist OK Catholic OK Lutheran OK....other than that...fagetaboutit.  Don't even mention beer, wine, or anything else.
One time I was having a birthday party for my son...some of the attendees were members of my church as well as others from the neighborhood and some of his classmates parents. I offerred one of the guys from church a beer. Doh!
He looked at me as if I just shot his dog. but said, "No thanks"

At a church function I wont' offer a beer...but outside of a church function I will. I only had one six pack in the fridge for any party or get together that I am hosting. Not enough for anyone to get drunk on. Just one of those things.

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 06:57:56 AM »

I dont drink but my husband says it is ok for Christians to have a few beers or a couple of  glasses of wine.  I know God does not like "drunkenness".   

 Is it okay for a Christian to indulge in alcohol as long as they don't get drunk?  My husband says it is not a sin to drink alcohol as the biblical figures in the bible drank wine.
If it was a sin to drink wine, then how come Jesus performed his first miracle at a wedding by turning water into a huge amount of wine?  Jesus was perfect, and he condoned drinking, probably because it was a celebration and part of sharing good times with other people.  Do I think He condoned getting smashed drunk and stumbling around, well, frankly, NO.  But everything in moderation and with balance.  This is a big issue for me.  I think some people get much too "black and white".  May I also mention that Jesus used wine as a symbol for His blood during the last supper.  If it was so "evil", why didn't he use milk for instance, or water?
After reading some of these above posts concerning alcoholism, I want to add something more to my post... I feel that alcohol CAN be misused, and if you feel like it is a temptation area for you, then don't think you can sneak one drink and be okay, don't tempt yourself.  But for me, alcohol is not really a problem.  Sexual addiction, yeah, a problem.  But I can have a glass of wine or two and stop.  I know that sounds probably contradictory, but anyways.  I do however, find that the atmosphere of a bar or outdoor "drinking/party" event, where there is a party mentality, I find that kind of atmosphere sometimes a little tempting.  Not so much anymore, but I don't really want to expose myself to that scene, so I just avoid it completely for the most part. 

On another note, I want to have a BBQ at my house sometime soon.  I thought it would be cool to serve virgin strawberry daiquiris.  I thought it would be nice to have a bottle of wine, too, but I feel like some of my Christian friends are SO against alcohol that I wouldn't want to get the comments from them, or feel like I am trying to cause trouble.  So I probably won't serve wine.  Now I sound like a hypocrite.  yes, I think wine drinking is okay, but I am hesitant to serve wine , for fear of being judged or talked about by other Christians at my church.  Sigh.  Oh well. We'll see.
I dont drink but my husband says it is ok for Christians to have a few beers or a couple of  glasses of wine.  I know God does not like "drunkenness".   

 Is it okay for a Christian to indulge in alcohol as long as they don't get drunk?  My husband says it is not a sin to drink alcohol as the biblical figures in the bible drank wine.
If it was a sin to drink wine, then how come Jesus performed his first miracle at a wedding by turning water into a huge amount of wine?  Jesus was perfect, and he condoned drinking, probably because it was a celebration and part of sharing good times with other people.  Do I think He condoned getting smashed drunk and stumbling around, well, frankly, NO.  But everything in moderation and with balance.  This is a big issue for me.  I think some people get much too "black and white".  May I also mention that Jesus used wine as a symbol for His blood during the last supper.  If it was so "evil", why didn't he use milk for instance, or water?
After reading some of these above posts concerning alcoholism, I want to add something more to my post... I feel that alcohol CAN be misused, and if you feel like it is a temptation area for you, then don't think you can sneak one drink and be okay, don't tempt yourself.  But for me, alcohol is not really a problem.  Sexual addiction, yeah, a problem.  But I can have a glass of wine or two and stop.  I know that sounds probably contradictory, but anyways.  I do however, find that the atmosphere of a bar or outdoor "drinking/party" event, where there is a party mentality, I find that kind of atmosphere sometimes a little tempting.  Not so much anymore, but I don't really want to expose myself to that scene, so I just avoid it completely for the most part. 

On another note, I want to have a BBQ at my house sometime soon.  I thought it would be cool to serve virgin strawberry daiquiris.  I thought it would be nice to have a bottle of wine, too, but I feel like some of my Christian friends are SO against alcohol that I wouldn't want to get the comments from them, or feel like I am trying to cause trouble.  So I probably won't serve wine.  Now I sound like a hypocrite.  yes, I think wine drinking is okay, but I am hesitant to serve wine , for fear of being judged or talked about by other Christians at my church.  Sigh.  Oh well. We'll see.

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2009, 08:02:29 AM »

I dont drink but my husband says it is ok for Christians to have a few beers or a couple of  glasses of wine.  I know God does not like "drunkenness".   

 Is it okay for a Christian to indulge in alcohol as long as they don't get drunk?  My husband says it is not a sin to drink alcohol as the biblical figures in the bible drank wine.
If it was a sin to drink wine, then how come Jesus performed his first miracle at a wedding by turning water into a huge amount of wine?  Jesus was perfect, and he condoned drinking, probably because it was a celebration and part of sharing good times with other people.  Do I think He condoned getting smashed drunk and stumbling around, well, frankly, NO.  But everything in moderation and with balance.  This is a big issue for me.  I think some people get much too "black and white".  May I also mention that Jesus used wine as a symbol for His blood during the last supper.  If it was so "evil", why didn't he use milk for instance, or water?
After reading some of these above posts concerning alcoholism, I want to add something more to my post... I feel that alcohol CAN be misused, and if you feel like it is a temptation area for you, then don't think you can sneak one drink and be okay, don't tempt yourself.  But for me, alcohol is not really a problem.  Sexual addiction, yeah, a problem.  But I can have a glass of wine or two and stop.  I know that sounds probably contradictory, but anyways.  I do however, find that the atmosphere of a bar or outdoor "drinking/party" event, where there is a party mentality, I find that kind of atmosphere sometimes a little tempting.  Not so much anymore, but I don't really want to expose myself to that scene, so I just avoid it completely for the most part. 

On another note, I want to have a BBQ at my house sometime soon.  I thought it would be cool to serve virgin strawberry daiquiris.  I thought it would be nice to have a bottle of wine, too, but I feel like some of my Christian friends are SO against alcohol that I wouldn't want to get the comments from them, or feel like I am trying to cause trouble.  So I probably won't serve wine.  Now I sound like a hypocrite.  yes, I think wine drinking is okay, but I am hesitant to serve wine , for fear of being judged or talked about by other Christians at my church.  Sigh.  Oh well. We'll see.

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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2009, 08:14:34 AM »

Yep Tantor,

You are precisely right on this one...with one exception

People got to eat something...but they don't have to drink alcoholic beverages.

Alcoholic beverages are a luxury item. (maybe not much of a luxury item but a luxury item nonetheless.)
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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2009, 08:20:25 AM »

Yep Tantor,

You are precisely right on this one...with one exception

People got to eat something...but they don't have to drink alcoholic beverages.

Alcoholic beverages are a luxury item. (maybe not much of a luxury item but a luxury item nonetheless.)

It used to not be that way... with no refrigeration and all.

None the less.. we chose what goes into our bodies and most people are prone to bad choices.
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2009, 02:06:40 AM »

@kristinaf

John the Baptist didn't drink (sustained mostly by wild honey and locusts). Jesus, pretty clearly, did. So it sounds like, to each his own. Be responsible with your own personal consumption. If you have problems with it, leave it alone (think: "if your eye offends you..."). If alcohol consumption offends a Christian with whom you associate, don't drink around him/her. I am drawing a blank on the verse, but there is one that says something about not offending the sensibilities of fellow Christians where their faith tells them to compose themselves in some way that you don't believe necessary... well, that was my interpretation anyway - hahaha. That last bit probably wasn't helpful at all, but if I remember the verse I will post it and you can let it speak to you.

However, it is pretty clear that drunkenness is not condoned.

And, in the "spirit" of full disclosure (so you'll know where I'm coming from), I enjoy a good beer from time to time, and I don't feel bad about it.
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2009, 05:38:00 AM »

God implimented beer drinking into Israel's worship liturgy. It's found in Deuteronomy 14, where He implemented the tithe. He instructed those who were to tithe to take their tithe and buy beer with it and bring it to the worship service and drink it in His presence and be happy.

Now, I understand about not offending brothers and sister who are weak, but in light of this what about those stupid bumper stickers " tithe if you love Jesus anyone can honk"?

Religion is so manipulative and most of the so called doctrines within the christian religious institution are carnal, ignorant and ludicrous. Most of it's leaders are spiritual infants themselves. If it is a sin to drink beer it is also a sin to tithe.
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2009, 08:02:56 AM »


One beer a day


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