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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2005, 09:18:04 PM »
I don't think I can relate to this feminist thing in the marriage that some of y'all are complaining about, or even the husband being the "head boss" (complimentarian) thing because I have never experienced it.  My wife and I have been in an egalitarian marriage since day one (31 years) with mutual respect for each other and approaching everything equally.  Doesn't mean we haven't had some bumpy spots, just that we share a mutual respect for each other and approach our marriage differently from most in the CoC.  Maybe that explains some of my views on gender in the church  :doh:

However, as I said earlier I do see those type of attitudes put forth on a regular basis in commercials and sitcomes.  It's shamefull because there is little or no respect either way to either gender in these situations.  It's even worse when it hits a Christian marriage, and I have seen that happen with several friends, co-employees, and local church members.

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Were the civil rights leaders of the 60s and 70s "whiney?" Is it "whiney" to point out when one gender/race is being mistreated?

Well, according to some on this forum, anyone who believes in and speaks up for an egalitarian view of "church" where we are all equals and we serve according to abilities as given by the Holy Spirit and not by the gender we are assigned by God, is probably "whinney", and certainly a liberal "realitivist feminist."  :shrug:[/color]
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2005, 09:46:04 PM »
Perry,
I think if you want to raise your kids that way, that's fine.  What I was trying to say was girls doing chores and boys not, is sexist.  My brothers never had to do as much as I or my sister did.  They certainly were not out in the fields.  I have four brothers, three still live at home.  My parents have been hiring someone else to mow their, less than quarter of an acre, because they can't get my brothers to do it.  Two are grown-ups and one is a teenager.  I wasn't paid for anything I did, they were.  So, maybe you could see how I might think that's a little sexist.  My sister and I also had to babysit with no pay, for my real brothers and foster kids.  My brothers didn't.
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2005, 09:59:56 PM »
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I think if you want to raise your kids that way, that's fine.  What I was trying to say was girls doing chores and boys not, is sexist.  My brothers never had to do as much as I or my sister did.  They certainly were not out in the fields.  I have four brothers, three still live at home.  My parents have been hiring someone else to mow their, less than quarter of an acre, because they can't get my brothers to do it.  Two are grown-ups and one is a teenager.  I wasn't paid for anything I did, they were.  So, maybe you could see how I might think that's a little sexist.  My sister and I also had to babysit with no pay, for my real brothers and foster kids.  My brothers didn't.
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To me that just sounds like plain old unfair, rather than sexist! :([/color]
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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2005, 03:58:13 PM »
I worked at a golf course in Alabama when I was in my late teens. There was a team of about 5 guys who did different things like pick the golf balls off the range (using a machine) and other things like keeping the carts recharged and doing different kinds of maintenance. We were outside all day lifting and getting sunburned. At the end of the day I was usually so exhausted that I simply went to bed.

The course hired a girl about our age (19 or so). A female had never been hired to do that job. The daughter of the head pro was friends with her and had arranged for her to be hired claiming that girls should have the same "opportunities" as boys.

I was off for her first day, but worked "with" her on her second day. We drove our cart down the driving range (she insisted on driving) and I took the first shift for clearing the driving range. The machine we used picked up all the balls into baskets and our job after that was to empty the baskets into a very large barrel of golf balls. Usually the other person would help with that part. She didn't. I finished, sat down in the cart exhausted and we went off to other duties. I quickly began to notice that the day had consisted of her driving the cart and "dropping me off" to do the work. I was beginning to get very irritated at this because all of the other guys worked as a team. Always.

But what really got me was that when it was her time to pick the range, she flat out refused. She said she couldn't lift the baskets or turn the wheel on the picking machine. "It's too hard," she said.

To say I was angry would be a GROSS understatement. I talked to other guys about it and they were upset too. "But what can we do about it? they said. "She's a girl, we'd look like bullies if we complained."

She was getting paid the same amount of $$ as the guys but not doing 1/5 of the work. I guarantee that if I would have complained that someone would have called me sexist or whatever. She eventually quit to work in the mall.

But ya know, that "equal work for equal pay" doesn't apply both ways.

Where I work now, the guys move the boxes. It doesn't matter what position you are, if you are male, you move the heavy boxes. The women will even ask (sometimes tell) the men to. Do we get paid more? No. And if we did, the company would probably get sued.

Is that fair? No. And for those of you who don't think I should be discussing it....this is a DISCUSSION board.

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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2005, 04:21:54 PM »
My parents were equal opportunity employers.  We all worked.  Allowance was based on age, and whether or not we'd done our chores.  There were 9 kids, so it was quite organized.  That many kids also meant all the housework could potentially be done in a 1/2 hour (notice I said potentially...we were typical kids :)).  

The real labor was on the ranch, where again, it was equal 'opportunity'...the opportunity to sweat and get tired.  Contrary to the way most kids think now, we fought over who got to do the ranch work just about every day.  I still miss it like nobody's business.
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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2005, 04:31:50 PM »
I don't guess there's any pear to burn or mesquite to fight in upstate New York,  is there?
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2005, 04:38:45 PM »
Not hardly.  You know, I always wanted to burn prickly pear, but my grandfather never let me anywhere near is WW2 army surplus flame thrower.  I did get to ride on the plow, though (he put an old car hood on the plow for extra weight, that's where I rode...my how things have changed!).
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« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2005, 04:49:07 PM »
This is an interesting discussion and reflective of our respective "baggage," isn't it?  

The other day a friend was telling me about another friend whose husband was ordering her around, never making a request but saying stuff like "Get my breakfast.  Iron my shirt, etc."  The wife in question is truly a "superwoman," works for a living, manages the house, the kids, etc.  

I remarked that I would not put up with being ordered around like that.  My friends mother said, "Oh, so you are the boss at your house, huh?"

That stopped me in my tracks for a minute.  But, I then replied that no, I am not, but my husband would not dream of issuing orders like that nor WOULD I.

We have disagreements, like anyone, but NEVER resort to "drill sargeant mode" with each other and never call each other names.  I cannot begin to tell you the number of times we have been told that our adult children have the best manners someone has ever seen.  And they seem to be conducting their marriages in a similar manner.

They watched sitcoms when growing up....but we used these as object lessons more times than I can count to express that what they saw on TV was NOT the way to live and they had no problem comprehending that.

I don't pretend we are the perfect family, but TV has just not been a big issue here.

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« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2005, 04:52:45 PM »
I see TV mostly as a mirror of the popular culture, and of where some people want that culture to go, so what you're seeing may not jive with your family experience, but it's certainly out there.
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« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2005, 04:55:27 PM »
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The other day a friend was telling me about another friend whose husband was ordering her around, never making a request but saying stuff like "Get my breakfast.  Iron my shirt, etc."  
That's how I do at my house.

Every morning I push my wife out of bed and tell her:

"Get out in that kitchen and rattle those pots and pans
Get out in that kitchen and rattle those pots and pans
Roll out my biscuits cause I'm a hungry man."

That's how to be the leader of your house.   Works like a charm.
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« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2005, 05:09:18 PM »
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I see TV mostly as a mirror of the popular culture, and of where some people want that culture to go, so what you're seeing may not jive with your family experience, but it's certainly out there.

I don't deny that it is out there, but as God's people, we have to be salt and light to the world and I think this is one of the ways we have to do it.... and the world does notice people who treat each other with respect.  

We don't always get the best "deals," the front row seats, the best service in restaurants, but a quiet witness is still a witness, no?[/color]
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« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2005, 05:16:10 PM »
Sounds like BOG is in for some COG  (Couched Old Guy) !
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« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2005, 05:49:24 PM »
Kat,
I noticed when I go out with rude people, the waiters or people working where you are, will be rude right back.  I never complain in a rude way, but I rarely will complain if I think the one in charge needs to know what's going on.

One the other hand, when I am friendly to someone working somewhere, it almost always gets me better service.  I like to be nicer to waiters or waitresses, because I think they have a hard job, and because I should anyway.  

I noticed that when I go to the mall and shop at more expensive stores I get bad treatment alot of times.  I will be nice, then if they act snotty, I will be even nicer and it doesn't seem to help.  I can't figure out why.  I have noticed sometimes when someone else is snotty they seem to respect that and treat them better.  Confused
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« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2005, 07:55:29 PM »
Counter-intuitive, isn't it Annie?  But yes.  I saw a 'study' done with waitresses that showed that rude waitresses get bigger tips than nice waitresses.
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2005, 11:16:22 AM »
I find it strangely amusing that whenever a male talks along these lines as has Admin done, there seems to be a knee jerk response to avoid the actual point under review and immediately start analyzing the person to see what is causing this "complex".  
And then there is the claim that we are whiney.  I am not whining.  I am simpling pointing out what is and has been happening for a long time.  I do this so that others that are asleep will awaken and be able to spot it immediately.

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