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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2005, 12:44:48 PM »
David, now youv'e ruined it for me.  I thought it was all live using  hidden cameras.
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2005, 01:18:49 PM »
In all fairness to "Everybody Loves Raymond", not only is Raymond depicted as pretty stupid, they balance out the show with his mother being put down constantly by his dad.
she can never do anything intelligent either.  So I guess they are appealing to both sexes.
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2005, 01:44:33 PM »
But the mother (Marie) has the upperhand. She has the control. Raymond is the star of the show who is on there 90% of the time and he is the one who is presented as stupid, unable to do anything right and constantly being called, "idiot" by his disrespectful, selfish, just plain mean wife.

When American wives are exposed to this constantly it can't be good. I've even noticed a difference in the way my wife treats me after watching it. That may sound silly, but I've talked to other husbands about it as well and they experienced the same thing.

Men (especially white men) are the only gender/race where it is always open season. They are constantly insulted and made fun of and nobody cares. If it were the other way around and it was a black person or a female the media would go crazy and demand "justice." But not for men. It's politically correct to insult men.
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2005, 01:44:33 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2005, 01:44:53 PM »
Ah the good old days when there were no sitcoms where men were the ones put down like "the Honeymooners" "the Flinstones" "the Jetsons" [which both began as prime time animated sitcoms] "the Dick Van Dyke Show" And even on the Andy Griffith show the men were frequently the objects of humor with women playing the straight role [how about Barney and Thelma and even Andy and Aunt Bea or Helen on occasion] How . . . . Yeah, Nick at Night is a wasteland.

What makes these kind of situations funny is the irony of the shoe being on the other foot so to speak.  The supposed stronger vessel being not so strong.  Perhaps what we should worry about is when the sexes are so equal that this kind of thing isn't funny any more.

Seriously, don't we have enough issues to deal with without creating them?  Of course I cannot be the judge of current sitcoms because they conflict with ESPN, the History Channel, the Game Show Network, A&E, Fox Sports World, The Food Network, Discovery Wings, C Span, etc.  If all viewers were like me, the broadcast networks would be history.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2005, 02:02:06 PM »
Creating an issue?

Yeah right.

You look around. It is OK in this society to mock men and make fun of them. Why can't it just be that neither is mocked? Why don't the sexes just respect each other? It's not okay for men to be put down just because they are men.

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2005, 02:33:32 PM »
feminazis do exist.  a pox on them all.  

'Men (especially white men) are the only gender/race where it is always open season. They are constantly insulted and made fun of and nobody cares. If it were the other way around and it was a black person or a female the media would go crazy and demand "justice." But not for men. It's politically correct to insult men. '


yep.  you got to stand up for yourself.  never hesitate to call an offender's hand.

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2005, 02:35:22 PM »
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Creating an issue?

Yeah right.

You look around. It is OK in this society to mock men and make fun of them. Why can't it just be that neither is mocked? Why don't the sexes just respect each other? It's not okay for men to be put down just because they are men.

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a. It's not just men. [ever heard of Jessica Simpson?]

b. If neither was mocked, it wouldn't be funny.  With only one exception that I can think of off hand, all humor has an object, someone that is the target.  That one exception is the pun.  Who would sit through 30 minutes of puns?
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2005, 02:54:01 PM »
Shakespeare fans. :p
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2005, 04:24:06 PM »
I just heard a perfect example on the radio. A McDonalds commercial where the big dumb man didn't know that McDonalds now takes credit cards.

When he said, "I didn't know McDonalds took credit cards," the wife's response was, "There's a lot of things you don't know."

Now, let's reverse this. If a man said that to a woman in a commercial, wouldn't it seem harsh? Wouldn't people be saying that he was saying women didn't know much?

There is an obvious double standard.

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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2005, 04:28:03 PM »
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I just heard a perfect example on the radio. A McDonalds commercial where the big dumb man didn't know that McDonalds now takes credit cards.

When he said, "I didn't know McDonalds took credit cards," the wife's response was, "There's a lot of things you don't know."

Now, let's reverse this. If a man said that to a woman in a commercial, wouldn't it seem harsh? Wouldn't people be saying that he was saying women didn't know much?

There is an obvious double standard.

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I guess that's why the Jessica Simpson commercials are so ineffective.
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2005, 05:16:19 PM »
Jessica Simpson is seen as sexy when she is dumb.  Not so with the dumb men in the commercials.  
Ya wanna know what takes real courage?  What admin has done by bringing this topic up.  Thank you.   :clap:

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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2005, 06:45:17 PM »
Who is Jessica Simpson?

At first I thought you were talking about Bart's little sister, but surely no one would call her sexy!
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2005, 07:33:49 PM »
:Rolling on floor laughing:
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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2005, 10:18:42 AM »
Jessica Simpson is thought of as an idiot because of her reality show.  Though I've never seen it, I have seen on shows like Access Hollywood, replays of her being stupid.  That is her fault that she is portrayed that way.  She chose to be on a show where they show how she really is.

Raymond is the writer of his show.  So, he writes in the stuff about him being dumb.  It's supposedly based on his life.  I don't like that show either, it is mean, and degrating to men and women, and trys to teach that it's okay to have a disrespectful family.

Lee,
I noticed the problem along time ago.  I really noticed it after I read Dobson's book about boys.  I hadn't noticed it with commercials though.  Only sitcoms and movies.  That bothers me that men are looked at that way and that my boys have to grow up in a country that is like that.  I don't want them to have trouble finding a wife who loves and respects men.  Just like they should women.

If it's true what someone said about females being the target audience, then why is almost every commercial staurated in sex, nudity (of some form), or something provocitive?  That of course being women being the nude ones and trying to appeal sexually to men.  That don't make me want to buy a product, if I see a women dancing a certain way in a club.  Old Spice commercial.

Sorry for the rant session.
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« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2005, 10:24:45 AM »
As to Ray Romano -

Samuel Johnson once said that all self-mocking or criticism was a form of self-praise.  It's meant to show just how much dignity and respect you have to spare.   (He, of course,  said it more pithily than I,  but I can't remember the exact quote.)

And I know Marc,  you don't like Johnson.  But I do.
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