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« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2005, 02:35:16 PM »
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Most guys, like Lee's girl on the golf course, don't do well at it and quickly find some other work. Of course, Lee could care less about something like that. At all costs we have to save the endangered white male!!

What gives you the right, or even the idea that I'd care less? I'm married and love my wife, mother and mother-in-law very, very much. I want NOTHING but the best for them. Why is it that when I try to stand up for men by pointing out ways that society is currently mistreating them that you suggest I don't care about women? What a wild, illogical leap! But, sadly, even that shows how society has brainwashed and wired you. If someone ever accuses a man of having a bad attitude toward women, guilty or not, he is discredited. Nothing he said matters. You've only proven my point further.

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I'm so glad this thread got started. I'm going to go home and kick my pregnant wife in the mouth before she corrupts me any further.

I realize that this is a joke (though not funny), but as with the above, it makes a wild and severely off base leap. I have never advocated violence or hatred toward women. I love women (especially those who are close to me) and still open doors for any woman I happen to meet. However, my feelings toward women are irrelevant to this discussion. Yours is a typical leap for this feminist-supremist society. The conditioned line of thought is: "If he thinks that men are treated badly, he must hate women."

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« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2005, 06:27:38 PM »
"Veiled attack" on Lee?? Nonsense, I thought it was a pretty obvious attack!  :headscratch:
 OK..some other points.

I have spent my entire working career in retail, over 30 years, so my opinion on the female cashier at least has LOTS of experiences to support it.

The two most popular sitcoms of the past 10 years were Friends and Sienfeld. The women characters on those shows were made fun of regularly (Elaine's thumb dance, Phoebe's 16 hours holding on the phone leap to mind for those familiar with the shows). So comedy based on stupid characters cuts both ways.

Now, the theory that all this male bashing on TV is affecting us seems pretty ridiculous and I will explain why.
I grew up in the early 60s watching shows like "Father Knows Best", "My Three Sons", "Ozzie and Harriet", "Leave it to Beaver" and "The Donna Reed Show". If TV is so powerful at shaping our culture why is that half of my generation embraced "sex, drugs and rock and roll" just a few years later? I guess we all just thought Eddie Haskell was the real hero?  :banghead:

And finally, I guess jumping in late on the discussion must have violated some sort of taboo...oh well, blame it on the Beav, since he obviously warped me.
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« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2005, 06:36:25 PM »
So this generation will rebel against the social norm and show incredible levels of respect to each other?
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« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2005, 06:41:48 PM »
It could happen. Who could have predicted in 1958 what kids would be doing in 1968? And in 1968 I would have laughed at the idea that disco would soon rule the airwaves and lounges!
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« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2005, 06:59:05 PM »
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I think it is fascinating....just fascinating that a man on the 7th thread actually: (a) admitted that men are portrayed as ugly and stupid in today's society and the (b) said it was their own fault!
If men are doing the portraying, then we have to take responsibility for our own actions.

And if we're the primary audience for the shows that do this, then we especially need to take responsibility.

I'm particularly tired of the "redneckization" of popular culture, which I see see as just another symptom of the same problem.  The problem's not feminism; the problem's intellectual laziness.  

And most of us are guilty.

If we turned in to entertainment that provided something deeper than a cheap laugh, we'd see real people portrayed, with a variety of faults and a variety of positive characteristics.[/color]
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« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2005, 08:22:15 PM »
Does anybody here know a single person who isn't aware that you can't believe everything you see on TV, that you have to take it with a grain of salt, that it's mostly fiction, that the values it portrays are very often immoral and destructive, and that its sole purpose is to keep your attention long enough to get you to want to buy something?

Yet we all shop at Walmart, have wives who roll their eyes at our antics, vote for one of only two political parties, even though there are two dozen on the ballot all with an equal chance of election at 7AM on election day, and assume that everybody else in the whole country (except for our friends) are empty vessels waiting to be filled with glorious, immutable, infallible TVness and who will parrot it until the next refill.

TV. We don't believe it, but we seem to have nothing else to believe. Intellectual laziness. Marc, you hit the nail once again.
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« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2005, 08:27:56 PM »
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Make her cook biscuits, too.   Tell her to

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« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2005, 09:40:42 PM »
Something else to bear in mind about TV is the explosion of channels with the emergence of cable. As I understand it, the viewership of the old major networks is declining year after year. Of course the commercials are still everywhere, but I have to wonder about the general knowledge of shows and the extent of their, to me at least, already doubtful influence.
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« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2005, 11:38:54 AM »
Here's a typical example:

A friend of mine here at work is getting a vasectomy this morning. For those of you who have had one (and those of you, like me, who will be getting one soon --next month) the surgery leaves men in a great deal of pain. The recovery time is 5-7 days for being able to walk around normally and a month or more for a few...other things. The first 3 days after the surgery are to be spent in bed.

This morning at our meeting the female employees were making jokes about it. Laughing about it and even mocking him to some degree. During our morning prayer, when it was mentioned, one of them even snickered.

However, a female employee had the equivalent (an outpatient setting, she was at work the next day but went home because she felt bad) and she got nothing but sympathy. No jokes or laughing, but solemn, concern.

How insensitive for those people to be laughing about the procedure my friend went through this morning. It's just like with John Bobbitt. Remember all the jokes? What if a man had cut off part of a woman's private parts? Would the jokes have come then? No way. The person making them would be called insensitive and probably run off the TV or away from their friends.

There is a double standard.

The relationship experts tend to think so as well. I looked at the "Smart Marriages" conference catalog today--it's a conference of marriage experts from around the country. Joe Beam will be on it this year and many people from various marriage-enrichment organizations will be there. Probably close to 100 presenters. Anyway, I was looking at a lot of the seminars that were advertised in the catalog and was taken back at the ones that said, "male friendly" or "no male bashing."

They know.
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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2005, 11:38:57 AM »
Good point.
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« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2005, 11:57:59 AM »
I forget if I mentioned this before, not that it matters.  I try to help with dishes and laundry because my wife works outside the home as well. (nurse)  I know guys whose wives work outside the home and they still DO NOT HELP around the house (woman's work) I mentioned that I believe the bible teaches me that helping with the domestic duties is expected.  (Although I can't for the life of me think of a "thou shalt help around the house" passage - but I do find respect, love, fairness, etc passages)  Thus, if I expect clean clothes that I helped dirty... I should help clean them.  If I want clean dishes to eat on... I need to help my family eat on clean dishes.  Therefore, I ask you all (at least in general terms)  Is this desire to help my wife a christian, spiritual desire OR is it simply a "equality" ~ worldly viewpoint.  And thus, christian men who refuse to help their wives (or moms or sisters or aunts...) around the house with "traditional" housework sinning?
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« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2005, 12:00:19 PM »
It is always inappropriate to make light of someone else's difficulties.  I'm sure that was especially frustrating for you since, as you said, you are going to have the same procedure soon.  Has anyone pointed out to those folks that they are being inappropriate and unkind?
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« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2005, 12:05:11 PM »
How come when a man does housework, it's "helping" and when a woman does it, it's her duty?

It's like using the word "babysitting" for watching your own children.  Inexcusable.
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« Reply #88 on: April 29, 2005, 12:08:42 PM »
I have no idea who defined our language.  Was it Ozzie or was it Harriet?  Older television shows may or may not reflect cultural norms but I do not believe that males have always defined the roles.  Who says I am the one to fix the car?
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« Reply #89 on: April 29, 2005, 12:53:29 PM »
Gender duties and "helping" is not the issue here. However, I "help out" with inside chores quite a bit in addition to doing all the yard work myself (mowing, weeding, seeding, de-weeding, etc) and my wife is a homemaker. I also watch the kids on Thursday nights so that she can get together with some of her female friends.

But again, that doesn't have anything to do with society declaring open season on men and treating them like jokes.



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