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« on: November 07, 2009, 12:12:04 PM »
I got his in an email and thought it was worth sharing and something to learn from. I pray this sinks into all our hearts I agree




I was shocked, confused, bewildered

As I entered Heaven's door,

Not by the beauty of it all,

Nor the lights or its decor.

But it was the folks in Heaven

Who made me sputter and gasp--

The thieves, the liars, the sinners,

The alcoholics and the trash.

There stood the kid from seventh grade

Who swiped my lunch money twice.

Next to him was my old neighbor

Who never said anything nice.

Herb, who I always thought

Was rotting away in hell,

Was sitting pretty on cloud nine,

Looking incredibly well.

I nudged Jesus, 'What's the deal?

I would love to hear Your take.

How'd all these sinners get up here?

God must've made a mistake.

'And why is everyone so quiet,

So somber - give me a clue.'

'Hush, child,' He said, 'they're all in shock.

No one thought they'd be seeing you.'

     JUDGE NOT!!!

Remember...Just going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in your garage makes you a car ..

     Every saint has a PAST....

     Every sinner has a FUTURE!!!
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2009, 12:13:53 PM »
Judge not with regards to condemnation of souls?  That is God's job.  Judge not entirely?  Not biblical at all.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2009, 02:06:29 PM »

Dear Debbi, I certainly did enjoy the gist of the message as to who we will see in heaven, and I do believe we'll see those who killed, etc.

But I have to agree with Brother Gary as to judging our brethren as per scripture below. We are not to judge the world; Jesus will do that. We are to judge our brethren who are acting wicked.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with (Christian) fornicators:
10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2009, 03:19:25 PM »


I agree with Gary and larry2, plus my Catholic friends know better than to send me something against the teaching of the Church.  I love Protestnts, but Iwill never go over the edge with them.  Not your fault that some Liberal sent that to you.  God bless.
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2009, 03:33:07 PM »
Whatever sin anyone commits, if they truly repent, they can be forgiven.The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There will be many repentant adulterers and murderers etc in heaven, if they are Christians.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2009, 03:55:06 PM »
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I agree with Gary and larry2, plus my Catholic friends know better than to send me something against the teaching of the Church.  I love Protestnts, but Iwill never go over the edge with them.  Not your fault that some Liberal sent that to you.  God bless.

  Pondering  - You will have to share heaven with them.  Are you sure you want to go there?
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 04:11:56 PM »
Quote from: chosenone on November 07, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Whatever sin anyone commits, if they truly repent, they can be forgiven.The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There will be many repentant adulterers and murderers etc in heaven, if they are Christians.

chosenone,

Ask yourself why the point of view that has been presented became so popular during the late 60's when the Woman's Liberation kicked in?  Try to think back at how strict American family life was before the Lib.  Could it be that women should still sit on the other side of the church and not teach? 
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 04:12:53 PM »
Unrealistic but beautifully written.
It appeals to the flesh.
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For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.  Hebrews 11:8,10
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2009, 04:25:07 PM »
Quote from: banished on November 07, 2009, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: chosenone on November 07, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Whatever sin anyone commits, if they truly repent, they can be forgiven.The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There will be many repentant adulterers and murderers etc in heaven, if they are Christians.

chosenone,

Ask yourself why the point of view that has been presented became so popular during the late 60's when the Woman's Liberation kicked in?  Try to think back at how strict American family life was before the Lib.  Could it be that women should still sit on the other side of the church and not teach? 
 

I'm sorry banished I dont get why what you said has anything to do with what I said.
 (By the way I'm not American I am British).
Personally  I dont like womens lib, it has gone far too far.It is also much stronger there than it is here, but that is beside the point.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2009, 04:34:20 PM »
Quote from: chosenone on November 07, 2009, 04:25:07 PM
Quote from: banished on November 07, 2009, 04:11:56 PM
Quote from: chosenone on November 07, 2009, 03:33:07 PM
Whatever sin anyone commits, if they truly repent, they can be forgiven.The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There will be many repentant adulterers and murderers etc in heaven, if they are Christians.

chosenone,

Ask yourself why the point of view that has been presented became so popular during the late 60's when the Woman's Liberation kicked in?  Try to think back at how strict American family life was before the Lib.  Could it be that women should still sit on the other side of the church and not teach? 
 

I'm sorry banished I dont get why what you said has anything to do with what I said.
 (By the way I'm not American I am British).
Personally  I dont like womens lib, it has gone far too far.It is also much stronger there than it is here, but that is beside the point.

IT'S CALLED ABORTION!
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2009, 04:44:13 PM »
Quote from: banished on November 07, 2009, 04:11:56 PM

Ask yourself why the point of view that has been presented became so popular during the late 60's

Why, it started when Jesus of Nazareth walked this earth when He went to adulterers such as the woman at the well and reached out to the drunkards of that town.  It started when He reached out to thieves like Zacheous and the woman that was a sinner.

It was not popular then and it is not popular now amongst most church people...

Which Jesus do you follow?
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 05:41:12 PM »
Quote from: larry2 on November 07, 2009, 02:06:29 PM

Dear Debbi, I certainly did enjoy the gist of the message as to who we will see in heaven, and I do believe we'll see those who killed, etc.

But I have to agree with Brother Gary as to judging our brethren as per scripture below. We are not to judge the world; Jesus will do that. We are to judge our brethren who are acting wicked.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with (Christian) fornicators:
10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11  But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Keeping or not keeping company with any person is not necessarily a judgment against such person.

The judgment of God is two sided: Justification and Condemnation. Either must at least be done in righteousness; we know that faith imputes the righteousness of God. The least positive judgment is the justification by faith, and there are also justification by grace and justfication by the Spirit.

Any blessing by God is a justification. For example, Abraham was blessed by God… meaning, Abraham was, as in a legal judgment, positively judged by God with blessings. Conversely, any curse by God is a condemnation… whosoever is cursed, as in a legal judgment, is negatively judged.

We are not to judge the brethren in condemnation… only God should so judge the brethren. But, we can judge the world either with blessings or with curses… for, indeed, we shall judge the world in righteousness: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Best if our judgment of the world is to bless with righteousness, salvation, and/or eternal life. In so doing, we become followers of Jesus Christ who came not to judge the world (in condemnation according to the righteousness of faith), but to save the world (in justification by grace).

I can judge the world… but, I’d rather judge with a blessing according to the righteousness of faith than with a curse. And, I will not judge the brethren unto condemnation… for any one of the brethren is a servant of Christ as much as I am.

If I judge a brother in Christ unto condemnation, am I not inadvertently judging His Body unto condemnation seeing that he is part of the same Body to which I am also a member? I’ll rather let God judge any one of the brethren in condemnation that He might in righteousness remove or retain in His Body whomsoever He wants.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 06:06:56 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on November 07, 2009, 03:55:06 PM
Quote from: banished on November 07, 2009, 03:19:25 PM


I agree with Gary and larry2, plus my Catholic friends know better than to send me something against the teaching of the Church.  I love Protestnts, but Iwill never go over the edge with them.  Not your fault that some Liberal sent that to you.  God bless.

  Pondering  - You will have to share heaven with them.  Are you sure you want to go there?



If you don't believe in Purgatory (where people who died in Grace undergo a limited amount of suffering) you have to explain how Mary Liberated can sit next to Mary Jane who never had an Abortion? I know that Purgatory is a Catholic belief, but I have never heard a Protestant say how they can believe that there is no reward for Mary Jane?

Do we all agree that liberal theology leads to Abortion?
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2009, 06:08:12 PM »
Anybody can write a little ditty to fit any king of doctrine they want.  Usually, and with rare exception, it is not scripturally sound.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2009, 01:30:20 PM »
This has nothing to do with liberal thinking, but earthly judging and condemning each other by the actions of another. What I got out of this email was that God is the only one who can judge the heart of others as he already knows who are his and who will come back to him. We are to quick to judge others without knowing their hearts. We can judge the fruits of others as God says we will know them by their fruits, but no one can judge the heart as only God can do this. We are to love others unconditionally as Christ loves us this way and to lift up and edify one another and keep everyone in prayer.
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