It's a strange idea that "not owning a gun" would actually prevent a person from killing someone else.  A gun simply makes killing more expedient it doesn't prevent it.  Believe me if person "A" really wanted to kill person "B" do you think the lack of a gun would prevent that?  Of course if person "B" had a gun he could prevent person "A" from killing him.  But that makes too much sense.

Actually- Rams you don't know who you are taking.

As a journalist I have- on two occasions- had a weapon pointed at me. In one case, back in 1994 when I was a producer- (and I know from your previous post that you will remember this) I was with a crew that traved to Chiapas to interview Subcomandante Marcos- who was the leader of a revelountary group called the Zapatistas. We were surronded- not just by machine guns- but by young kids holding machines guns.  

There were times when I was really scared for my life, but I never wished that I was armed. All though- I did wonder why I wasn't paid more.

Would Christ carry a gun or would he turn to prayer. You may think that turning the other cheek is crap- I think it is the way of the Lord

Anchorman,

It always leaves me in wonder how people who have never seen anything remotely close to a weapon pointed at their face, any weapon held by those who are intent to kill you, or at least, do great harm, and then stand there and try and apply what you intone, as do so many others.

They really think they can, and somehow they think this is Godly..........., biblical or both.

In fact, the more isolated one is from any sort of harm, like you, here in the US or Canada or wherever, the more draconian that stance is to be so passive by boast,  and so wrong on the whole Biblical premise of self defense.

May I come there and point my 12 gauge sawed off shotgun at your cheek?  See how you do. Of course, in that scenario, like sometimes where and how I find myself, if I "slap" you with it, there is nothing but a pink, purple, and very bloody writhing, jerking, offal dripping stump left so there is no 'cheek' to turn, now is there.

Amazing revisionism.

Robert

Then you know what I speak.  And I laughed so hard at your statement above, "Would Christ carry a gun or would he turn to prayer", as it is so amazing.

ANSWER:  No, he would not. Since he is GOD in the flesh, he would kill all the people on Earth by water in the flood and save 6, then tell them, I'll do it again, watch the fire next time.

Such silliness.

And lo, how possible could I "know who you are"?

And your tale, as a journalist, yes, I know exactly what you were seeing and doing and feeling, and it was not your time as the Lord protected you, perhaps as a journalist, with maybe numbers and not you just by yourself.  Who knows, but the Lord does.  You came out on the other side with no harm.

I will say if I had been there and someone would have started shooting, as a fellow American, I would grabbed a weapon, tackled you, held you down with me as protection and started "shootin' and lootin'" till it was over, then introduce myself to you and ask,  "You okay, partner......?"

Then, we would have discovered we were both in Jesus Christ.  Would you then say, "you shot all those people and saved me......You are a murderer and filled with hateful sin......."

Consider?

Robert

It wasn't to force anyone to accept Jesus, it was to prevent Jesus from being captured.


I don't believe Luke 22:36 is a Christian call to arms.

If so why are the Apostles and disciples getting martyred without a fight?

No reason to get caustic because I disagree with you or used a poor choice of words.

But the question still remains, if Christians are allowed to use swords or weapons in self-defense why do we see so many Christians getting murdered for their faith in the New Testament without a fight?

I wasn't really asking why they were murdered, since that is a subject of little debate. But the question is why didn't the disciples ever put of a fight when faced with death, why does Paul constantly get beaten, stoned, imprisoned, harassed, etc. without defending himself with a weapon or even any resistance?