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https://www.city-journal.org/global-warming?fbclid=IwAR0oSqiwqGZDIHvjmjBJL3pd334u7gf9TZTotMbOGKeqfZ9x6UFzNm9Hv8Q
This is a very interesting interview. Climatologist Judith Curry Ph.D goes over the history & politics of modern climatology. A very interesting & suprising read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Curry
https://judithcurry.com/


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A very interesting article indeed !

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I know there are many articles and videos surrounding Climate change from both angles. A couple of years back I watched this video by Professor Willie Soon in it's entirety. He seemed to nail many of the points addressed by the hysterical left. If you have a chance, watch it. I know it's a bit long, maybe watch it in a few segments or skip through some of it, either way, he makes a compelling case.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVdKuNLmcCc

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Thanks Tim ~ for posting that ~ good ```

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"the narrative of the 'spiral of death' for the sea ice has been broken ... It remains unclear as to what extent the decline in sea ice over the past decades is caused by natural variability versus greenhouse warming. Whether the increase in 2013 is a one year blip in a longer declining trend, or whether it portends a break in this trend remains to be seen."
Judity Curry, 10 September 2013

Let's see how that turned out...



And there it is.   Trend continues down.


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All that being said, it's still way too early to tell whether 2017 will be spared a record-breaking year, and even the world's top ice experts have been horribly wrong in the past. Ice modelers, for example, had repeatedly predicted in the past that the Arctic sea ice would stay intact and be safe from climate change until 2050 or later. Then in 2007, and again in 2012, the ice extent minimum fell far below all 18 computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, shocking experts right down to their socks.
https://psmag.com/environment/online-community-of-enthusiasts-tracking-the-arctic-sea-ice-melt

2017 came in at 8th on record for melting.

« Last Edit: Thu Apr 18, 2019 - 15:02:12 by The Barbarian »

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How's 2019 doing so far?



The net change in sea ice extent between the beginning and end of March was small, which is typical for the month. Sea ice extent increased during the first part of the month to the annual maximum on March 13 and then declined through the remainder of the month.

The 1979 to 2019 linear rate of decline for March ice extent is 41,700 square kilometers (16,100 square miles) per year, or 2.7 percent per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.


It's always a bad idea to look to an outlier year, and predict a trend thereby.

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I think the Lady Judith said it clearly enough even for the left to understand ```

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I think the Lady Judith said it clearly enough even for the left to understand

The data said it much more convincingly.   Reality always beats a good story.


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What data ~ left wing bull crap generated by them and pasted around by atheist shills ~ their models didn't work that's why they switched from Global to Climate change ~ fraud, fake left wing lie ~ what does that make you ~ whats your stake in this ~ you're past your prime ~ settle back ~ go your way or pretend you know what's right for everyone else and keep pitching this left wing lie ```

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What data ~ left wing bull crap generated by them and pasted around by atheist shills

There are a number of independent data sources for global surface temperature.  They are all in close agreement.    I don't think "it's a huge conspiracy, and they are all lying!"  is a very convincing strategy for you.

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~ their models didn't work

As you now realize, James Hansen accurately predicted global temperatures thirty years out, when deniers were claiming the climate was going to get colder.   Seems like it worked just fine, doesn't it?

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that's why they switched from Global to Climate change ~ fraud, fake left wing lie

Sorry, that stuff won't work for you.   Instead of tossing unsupported accusations, try to find some facts to support your ideas.   It's more work, but you'll get more respect, and maybe even make a valid point.    Worth a try?   Use facts.    Find data and put together a reasonable explanation for it all.   I think you'd do a lot better here.

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~ what does that make you ~

Rational.   There are certainly rational deniers out there, some of them make decent points on some things.   You could be among them.

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whats your stake in this ~

I notice that times of climate change have historically been times of upheavals and trouble.   I'd like my grandchildren living in a world without more of that.

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you're past your prime

Indeed.    I hung up the boots after 50.   Retired at 69.   I can't do difficult math in my head the way I used to.  But as you see, I'm better at pulling facts together than you are.   My Mom was doing tax consultations into her 80s, and doing very well, so perhaps I have a few miles left on me.

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~ settle back ~

Sure.   You know this is entertainment for me, right?    I love discussing science.  Spent one career doing it, and a second career teaching it.

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go your way or pretend you know what's right for everyone else and keep pitching this left wing lie ```

In order to rationally consider what's actually happening, you have to drop your political blinders and look at it without thinking about "what's right."   First, recognize "what is."   Then consider what, if anything, you think should be done about it.


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What data ~ left wing bull crap generated by them and pasted around by atheist shills ~ their models didn't work that's why they switched from Global to Climate change ~ fraud, fake left wing lie ~ what does that make you ~ whats your stake in this ~ you're past your prime ~ settle back ~ go your way or pretend you know what's right for everyone else and keep pitching this left wing lie ```


Barbarian is Catholic. His stake is backing up the leader of his denomination.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html

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I guess, if the Pope came out in favor of electricity, Amo would start using candles.    ::pondering::

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I guess, if the Pope came out in favor of electricity, Amo would start using candles.    ::pondering::

If the Popes succeeded in keeping us in the dark ages, there probably wouldn't be any electricity. There certainly would not have been a United States.

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If the Popes succeeded in keeping us in the dark ages,

The relationship between the Catholic Church and science is a widely debated subject. Historically, the Catholic Church has often been a patron of sciences. It has been prolific in the foundation of schools, universities and hospitals, and many clergy have been active in the sciences. Historians of science such as Pierre Duhem credit medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme, and Roger Bacon as the founders of modern science.[1] Duhem found "the mechanics and physics, of which modern times are justifiably proud, to proceed by an uninterrupted series of scarcely perceptible improvements from doctrines professed in the heart of the medieval schools."[2] Yet, the conflict thesis and other critiques emphasize historical or contemporary conflict between the Catholic Church and science, citing in particular the trial of Galileo as evidence. For its part, the Catholic Church teaches that science and the Christian faith are complementary, as can be seen from the Catechism of the Catholic Church which states in regards to faith and science:

    Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth. ... Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.[3]

Catholic scientists, both religious and lay, have led scientific discovery in many fields.[4] From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single largest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world.[5] Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained bastions of scholarship in Western Europe and clergymen were the leading scholars of the age – studying nature, mathematics, and the motion of the stars (largely for religious purposes).[6] During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon, and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish the scientific method.[7]

During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedrals. Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields: Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) pioneered heliocentrism, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarckism, Friar Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) pioneered genetics, and Fr Georges Lemaître (1894-1966) proposed the Big Bang cosmological model.[8] The Jesuits have been particularly active, notably in astronomy. Church patronage of sciences continues through institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (a successor to the Accademia dei Lincei of 1603) and Vatican Observatory (a successor to the Gregorian Observatory of 1580)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science

While Luther and Calvin were sputtering outrage over Heliocentrism, Catholic scholars were showing how the universe worked.    Copernicus and Galileo, by that time, had convinced pretty much every scientist as to the nature of the solar system.   

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there probably wouldn't be any electricity.

Allessandro Volta, who discovered that mechanical energy could be transferred into a new kind of energy (electricity) was a Catholic and a product of Jesuit education.   

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There certainly would not have been a United States.

The American revolution was the result of the Enlightenment.   And the philosophers of the Enlightenment were Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish.  And Bacon, (a Protestant Englishman) one of the key philosophers of the Enlightenment, borrowed on Muslim rationalists for his views on science and society.




 

     
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