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« on: Thu Apr 14, 2011 - 12:44:08 »
Excellent article in this week's Time Magazine. Hits on most of the arguments about what caused the Civil War and points out that the biggest obstacles to those who want it to have been about something other than slavery are the words of those who began the war. What was new to me in this article was that it traced the origins of Lost Cause myth.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2063679,00.html

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Abolitionists had "inspired [slaves] with vague notions of freedom," explained President James Buchanan as he prepared to leave office. "Many a matron throughout the South retires at night in dread of what may befall herself and her children before morning," making "disunion... inevitable." As Southern states began to declare their independence, they echoed this theme. South Carolina's leaders indicted the North for encouraging "thousands of our slaves to leave their homes, and those who have remained have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection." Mississippi affirmed, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world," adding, "There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union." Georgians declared, "We refuse to submit."



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« Reply #1 on: Fri Apr 15, 2011 - 15:45:53 »
My local PBS station re-ran Ken Burns' The Civil War last week.  I had seen it a number of years ago, but watched it again.  I found it as riveting the second time around.

Now I am listening to podcasts from Yale Professor David Blight on the topic.  They're very good, too.  He recommended a Pulitzer-prize-winning novel called The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara which I have just started and I'm enjoying it very much. 

I am a Canadian.  I remember my grandmother talking about a draft dodger from the American Civil War who moved here to avoid having to fight for the North.  Even though it took place so long ago, it reaches down through time and still touches us all.

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Apr 15, 2011 - 16:07:01 »
Killer Angels is an excellent book; I have it on my shelf. The movie 'Gettysburg' was based on it.

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 15, 2011 - 16:13:07 »
Oh, and thanks for the podcast recommendation. I'm downloading it now from ItunesU.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri Apr 22, 2011 - 08:05:45 »
Marc
Where I went to college one of the favorite sayings was  "Southern born and southern breed and when I die I am southern dead you all."  There is a lot of pride in the south.
That being said you are right.  Economics is said to be the reason for the civil war.  That is true;the economics of slavery.  It is a black eye on our nation.  For us to truly be the nation of freedom this blight had to be abolished.  The idea of one human having complete control over another even over life and death and the ability to sell off family members is so repugnant I don't understand how the founders of our nation rationalized owning slaves. 

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« Reply #5 on: Mon Apr 25, 2011 - 12:35:10 »
the ability to sell off family members is so repugnant I don't understand how the founders of our nation rationalized owning slaves. 

Have we really progressed, what with the ability to kill folks in the womb?

 

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Apr 27, 2011 - 21:51:29 »
You could do that then, too. It was about the time of the ACW that laws against abortion started passing. It would be interesting to know if there was some connection.

iirc, abortion becoming illegal may have had more to do with women's rights movements. Many of the original suffragettes opposed abortion, I believe.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:49:34 »
As a person who believes we should be respecting the Constitution, I am appalled at what Lincoln did in regards to it. I used to think that the North had been right, but no more. The wholesale shredding of the Constition was terrible. This man sent armed Federal troops into soverign states, shut down newspapers, and imprisioned people who opposed him. When I see the massive power the Federal goernment has amassed today at the expense of the states I am concerned. So, in this context I hereby apologize to my Southern friends and knowing what I know now and had lived back then, I would have sided with and fought for the South. My sincere apologies!

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Aug 07, 2011 - 21:26:14 »
Ladonia, is the US Constitution more important than people, a race of people controlled, beaten, raped,worked to death, families torn apart, by the citizens of the states that made it legal to do such horrors to human beings.

I stand behind the US Constitution 100%, but the humane treatment of people comes before any constitution and laws ordained by any state.


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« Reply #9 on: Mon Aug 08, 2011 - 18:29:40 »
Revisionist History.

Believe what you want, or turn on the brain.

The Emancipation Proclamation did NOT free all the slaves and it was NOT what started the war between the states.  The slave issues existed as a side issue.

The states of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves under the Emancipation Proclamation.

The only slaves that were affected by the Emancipation Proclamation were those within the territories of the confederate states that were controlled by the Confederate army.  Those in Confederate territory that was then held by the Union army were not declared free.

The Emancipation Proclamation was not US law.  It was merely a war time presidential directive.  It had no authority in the Union states and never survived a court contest as to its constitutionality. 

The 13th amendment came later.

Freeing of the slaves was not the reason for starting the civil war.

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Aug 08, 2011 - 20:38:03 »
was the war just about slavery, no.  If there had been no disagreement over the issue of slavery, the South would probably not have left the Union.

It was also about the constitutional argument over whether or not a state had a right to leave the Union. Although the majority of Southerners had little interest in politics, slavery was a primary interest of Southern cotton growers--and consequently the underlying cause of the South's desire to seek independence and state rights would be to leave the Union so they would not take the Souths right to own slaves.

I would also like to state your comment about "turning your brain on" is very rude, and makes you come off as a very arrogant person, believing you know exactly why the civil war was started---the debate on why the civil war began is even argued among the most knowledgeable US historians.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Aug 08, 2011 - 20:53:00 »
J-man, there are several posts on the board debunking what you say using the words of the men who drove secession themselves. They weren't as shy about saying that slavery was the central reason for secession as their modern apologists are.  Look through the archives.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Aug 12, 2011 - 01:07:28 »
Revisionist History.

Believe what you want, or turn on the brain.

The Emancipation Proclamation did NOT free all the slaves and it was NOT what started the war between the states.  The slave issues existed as a side issue.

The states of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves under the Emancipation Proclamation.

The only slaves that were affected by the Emancipation Proclamation were those within the territories of the confederate states that were controlled by the Confederate army.  Those in Confederate territory that was then held by the Union army were not declared free.

The Emancipation Proclamation was not US law.  It was merely a war time presidential directive.  It had no authority in the Union states and never survived a court contest as to its constitutionality. 

The 13th amendment came later.

Freeing of the slaves was not the reason for starting the civil war.




 ::applause:: Thank you, thank you Mr. J, you are 100% correct and I am sick to my bones for folks thinking that it was slavery that was the root cause of the war.   No more slaves were raped in the south than in the north nor did anyone bring up the fact that women still get raped.  Some of the slaves in the south back then were treated like family members and deeded land.  Crimes were committed against all people, just like they are now.

Another unknown fact, Brazil had way more black slaves back then than America ever did ~ why isn't anyone coming down on them?  Let Jackson and Sharpton go there and pull their hissy fits.  Egypt had slaves, now in Africa, they are taking different tribes and making them slaves in this day and time.  I'm not at all saying it is right, but I'm dang sick and tired of all this crap about the southerners and slaves, quit pointing fingers and look at the big picture, I refuse to be a scape goat and am damn proud and blessed to be a Southernner!

Long live Dixie!

 


for those that might not know, this was the first Confederate flag flown over Fort Sumter, SC just a few miles in the waterway from Charleston, SC.  Fort Sumter was where the first shots were fired in the war.  This 7 star flag flew for only 3 months and was replace with more stars when more states joined the Confederated army.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Aug 12, 2011 - 01:19:48 »
As a person who believes we should be respecting the Constitution, I am appalled at what Lincoln did in regards to it. I used to think that the North had been right, but no more. The wholesale shredding of the Constition was terrible. This man sent armed Federal troops into soverign states, shut down newspapers, and imprisioned people who opposed him. When I see the massive power the Federal goernment has amassed today at the expense of the states I am concerned. So, in this context I hereby apologize to my Southern friends and knowing what I know now and had lived back then, I would have sided with and fought for the South. My sincere apologies!

Thank you Ladonia, and you made some great educated points.  I am also appalled at Lincoln.  If John Wilkes Booth had not shot him, then many of the slaved would have gone back to Africa because he (Lincoln) was just about to send them home.  I reckon they are lucky that he didn't since in todays time Africa is a dangerous place to be.  Many there now are having their body parts (arms/hands/legs) chopped off by big knives and the women are being raped several times in one day with the wars they have going on.


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« Reply #14 on: Fri Aug 12, 2011 - 09:29:59 »
oh my gosh, I am floored by what some believe about Pres. Lincoln...have any of you read his own journals? He was a good man, and the civil war just about killed him emotionally.

And Wednesday I do not even understand what you mean by this statement, are you defending the South? "No more slaves were raped in the south than in the north nor did anyone bring up the fact that women still get raped.  Some of the slaves in the south back then were treated like family members and deeded land.  Crimes were committed against all people, just like they are now"

Makes me sick to think people of today still separate themselves as North or South, instead of recognizing a group of people (black Americans), enslaved, a group of people who were not even seen as human, but without a soul.


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« Reply #15 on: Fri Aug 12, 2011 - 15:00:25 »
And Wednesday I do not even understand what you mean by this statement, are you defending the South? "No more slaves were raped in the south than in the north nor did anyone bring up the fact that women still get raped.  Some of the slaves in the south back then were treated like family members and deeded land.  Crimes were committed against all people, just like they are now"

Makes me sick to think people of today still separate themselves as North or South, instead of recognizing a group of people (black Americans), enslaved, a group of people who were not even seen as human, but without a soul.

Are you condemning the south?  What part didn't you understand?  Nothing happened in the South that didn't happen in the North or in Brazil  or Africa ~ that was my point but I'm not sure what your point is?

Black folks were not the only people on earth enslaved, and on top of that they were slave owners of each other before the Europeans or Brazilians ever were.

No, I do not understand your point unless you are looking for a scape goat and the Southerners were a convenient grab?!

Just whom is doing the separating of the North and South that is making you sick, they seem pretty equal to me  ???


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« Reply #16 on: Fri Aug 12, 2011 - 22:38:06 »
A short history lesson  ::reading:: 

Quote from below link (and a very informative link too if you really want to know)
"The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves."

"Every New World colony was, in some sense, a slave colony. French Canada, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Cuba, Brazil -- all of them made their start in an economic system built upon slavery based on race. In all of them, slavery enjoyed the service of the law and the sanction of religion. In all of them the master class had its moments of doubt, and the slaves plotted to escape or rebel."   

"Practices such as the breeding of slaves like animals for market, or the crime of slave mothers killing their infants, testify that slavery's brutalizing force was at work in New England. Philadelphia brickmaker John Coats was just one of the Northern masters who kept his slave workers in iron collars with hackles. Newspaper advertisements in the North offer abundant evidence of slave families broken up by sales or inheritance. One Boston ad of 1732, for example, lists a 19-year-old woman and her 6-month-old infant, to be sold either "together or apart."[5] Advertisements for runaways in New York and Philadelphia newspapers sometimes mention suspicions that they had gone off to try to find wives who had been sold to distant purchasers."

"Since the North saw much longer, and more extensive, incursions by British troops, its slave population drained away at a higher rate than the South's. At the same time, the governments in northern American states began to offer financial incentives to slaveowners who freed their black men, if the emancipated slaves then served in the state regiments fighting the British." 



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« Reply #17 on: Sun Aug 14, 2011 - 03:05:24 »
Revisionist History.

Believe what you want, or turn on the brain.

The Emancipation Proclamation did NOT free all the slaves and it was NOT what started the war between the states.  The slave issues existed as a side issue.

The states of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves under the Emancipation Proclamation.

The only slaves that were affected by the Emancipation Proclamation were those within the territories of the confederate states that were controlled by the Confederate army.  Those in Confederate territory that was then held by the Union army were not declared free.

The Emancipation Proclamation was not US law.  It was merely a war time presidential directive.  It had no authority in the Union states and never survived a court contest as to its constitutionality. 

The 13th amendment came later.

Freeing of the slaves was not the reason for starting the civil war.




 ::applause:: Thank you, thank you Mr. J, you are 100% correct and I am sick to my bones for folks thinking that it was slavery that was the root cause of the war.   No more slaves were raped in the south than in the north nor did anyone bring up the fact that women still get raped.  Some of the slaves in the south back then were treated like family members and deeded land.  Crimes were committed against all people, just like they are now.

Another unknown fact, Brazil had way more black slaves back then than America ever did ~ why isn't anyone coming down on them?  Let Jackson and Sharpton go there and pull their hissy fits.  Egypt had slaves, now in Africa, they are taking different tribes and making them slaves in this day and time.  I'm not at all saying it is right, but I'm dang sick and tired of all this crap about the southerners and slaves, quit pointing fingers and look at the big picture, I refuse to be a scape goat and am damn proud and blessed to be a Southernner!

Long live Dixie!

 


for those that might not know, this was the first Confederate flag flown over Fort Sumter, SC just a few miles in the waterway from Charleston, SC.  Fort Sumter was where the first shots were fired in the war.  This 7 star flag flew for only 3 months and was replace with more stars when more states joined the Confederated army.


Are we supposed to be interested in Brazil? Were the immediate ancestors of Sharpton and Jackson slaves in Brazil or America. I'm shocked to hear you call such "hissy fits". I never expected to hear that from you although its not that far off when I think about it.

I am also curious as to whoever made this discussion a forum to guilt trip southeners? No one so much as even hinted at that so I'm not seeing the basis for your "scapegoat"......hissy fit.  ::lookaround::

I found it especially comical that you thought the fact that slaves may have been treated like "family" helped your cause. I treat my dogs like family so whats you're point?! The slaves were family until they wanted some individuality, as a matter of fact lets not even get that luxurious, the slaves were fine as long as they didn't work slow!

Tell Willie Lynch that slaves are family. Let me take you to labor fields to motivate the slaves to work by reminding them that their status in life was not even equal to an animal; but oh no its cool because there's other salves in Brazil.

You have to be kidding me. Not only was there no reason within this thread for to go the offensive "southern pride" rant you didn't even make sense.

Sorry Ladonia, I would've sided with the North, joined the ranks of the 54th and tried my very best to blow Wednesday's version of "Southern Pride" straight to hell.



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« Reply #18 on: Mon Aug 15, 2011 - 10:09:08 »
Revisionist History.

Believe what you want, or turn on the brain.

The Emancipation Proclamation did NOT free all the slaves and it was NOT what started the war between the states.  The slave issues existed as a side issue.

The states of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware were allowed to keep their slaves under the Emancipation Proclamation.

The only slaves that were affected by the Emancipation Proclamation were those within the territories of the confederate states that were controlled by the Confederate army.  Those in Confederate territory that was then held by the Union army were not declared free.

The Emancipation Proclamation was not US law.  It was merely a war time presidential directive.  It had no authority in the Union states and never survived a court contest as to its constitutionality. 

The 13th amendment came later.

Freeing of the slaves was not the reason for starting the civil war.




 ::applause:: Thank you, thank you Mr. J, you are 100% correct and I am sick to my bones for folks thinking that it was slavery that was the root cause of the war.   No more slaves were raped in the south than in the north nor did anyone bring up the fact that women still get raped.  Some of the slaves in the south back then were treated like family members and deeded land.  Crimes were committed against all people, just like they are now.

Another unknown fact, Brazil had way more black slaves back then than America ever did ~ why isn't anyone coming down on them?  Let Jackson and Sharpton go there and pull their hissy fits.  Egypt had slaves, now in Africa, they are taking different tribes and making them slaves in this day and time.  I'm not at all saying it is right, but I'm dang sick and tired of all this crap about the southerners and slaves, quit pointing fingers and look at the big picture, I refuse to be a scape goat and am damn proud and blessed to be a Southernner!

Long live Dixie!

 


for those that might not know, this was the first Confederate flag flown over Fort Sumter, SC just a few miles in the waterway from Charleston, SC.  Fort Sumter was where the first shots were fired in the war.  This 7 star flag flew for only 3 months and was replace with more stars when more states joined the Confederated army.


Go read the Confederate Constitution.  You can be sick to your bones about folks thinking that the war was started because of slavery.  That's your right, but it's the truth.  So keep on believing the equivalent of leprechauns and fairies and pixie dust.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Aug 15, 2011 - 11:03:47 »

Are we supposed to be interested in Brazil? Were the immediate ancestors of Sharpton and Jackson slaves in Brazil or America.


Brother LH, I noticed that Brazil was brought up but Africa was not mentioned in your post?  Quite possibly, the ancestors of Sharpton & Jackson were slave OWNERS in Africa?

How come black people are not blaming the blacks for their ancestors selling each other BEFORE the Europeans even got there?  If any finger pointing is going to go on, let it begin at the beginning.  Cain and Able didn't show up before Adam and Eve, Europeans and Brazil wouldn't have had slaved in the beginning if not for the Africans.

Brother, I love ya and know you are an educated young man so I don't understand why you are closing your eyes to history.  Google it for yourself or just go to your library and look it up, you don't have to take my word for it.  People want to close their eyes and not see where the whole practice started.  If you would like to go back even further then take a look at Egypt and the Jews. 

No it isn't right, just as it wasn't right for Egypt to own the Jews.

Black slavery begins in Africa....period.

The reason it didn't have as much an impact in the north in the civil war can simply be blamed on the weather ~ can't farm in the snow! (duh)  Any slaves in the north during the civil war would have risk starving to death.


http://autocww.colorado.edu/~blackmon/E64ContentFiles/AfricanHistory/SlaveryInAfrica.html

Slavery in Africa, the institution of slavery as it existed in Africa, and the effects of world slave-trade systems on African people and societies. As in most of the world, slavery, or involuntary human servitude, was practiced across Africa from prehistoric times to the modern era.


In Africa, as in many places around the world, early slavery likely resulted from warring groups taking captives. Such captives were of little use, and often some bother, when kept close to their homes because of the ease of escape. Therefore, they were often sold and transported to more distant places.

Warfare was not the only reason for the practice of slavery in Africa, however. In many African societies, slavery represented one of the few methods of producing wealth available to common people.

This practice of using Africa as a source of slaves would be adopted and expanded first by Arab Muslims and later by Europeans.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon Aug 15, 2011 - 12:14:40 »

Are we supposed to be interested in Brazil? Were the immediate ancestors of Sharpton and Jackson slaves in Brazil or America.


Brother LH, I noticed that Brazil was brought up but Africa was not mentioned in your post?  Quite possibly, the ancestors of Sharpton & Jackson were slave OWNERS in Africa?

How come black people are not blaming the blacks for their ancestors selling each other BEFORE the Europeans even got there?  If any finger pointing is going to go on, let it begin at the beginning.  Cain and Able didn't show up before Adam and Eve, Europeans and Brazil wouldn't have had slaved in the beginning if not for the Africans.

Brother, I love ya and know you are an educated young man so I don't understand why you are closing your eyes to history.  Google it for yourself or just go to your library and look it up, you don't have to take my word for it.  People want to close their eyes and not see where the whole practice started.  If you would like to go back even further then take a look at Egypt and the Jews. 

No it isn't right, just as it wasn't right for Egypt to own the Jews.

Black slavery begins in Africa....period.

The reason it didn't have as much an impact in the north in the civil war can simply be blamed on the weather ~ can't farm in the snow! (duh)  Any slaves in the north during the civil war would have risk starving to death.


http://autocww.colorado.edu/~blackmon/E64ContentFiles/AfricanHistory/SlaveryInAfrica.html

Slavery in Africa, the institution of slavery as it existed in Africa, and the effects of world slave-trade systems on African people and societies. As in most of the world, slavery, or involuntary human servitude, was practiced across Africa from prehistoric times to the modern era.


In Africa, as in many places around the world, early slavery likely resulted from warring groups taking captives. Such captives were of little use, and often some bother, when kept close to their homes because of the ease of escape. Therefore, they were often sold and transported to more distant places.

Warfare was not the only reason for the practice of slavery in Africa, however. In many African societies, slavery represented one of the few methods of producing wealth available to common people.

This practice of using Africa as a source of slaves would be adopted and expanded first by Arab Muslims and later by Europeans.





I said "immediate ancestors". Lets get real here. The South was way more notorious for its treatment of blacks throughout American history. This is such an indisputable fact that I guess that's why you feel the need to divert to other countries and   continents!

The term is American slavery. We are African Americans not African Brazilians. Don't catch a fit because we're pointing out the obvious points of our history. Southern Baptist officiated slavery as sound doctrine. Man like there is so much that your objection seems so ridiculous.

Willie Lynch was called in by Virginians.

Nobody has any intention of guilt tripping southerners. That would be silly because the South wasn't the only place slaves existed. Heck the KKK headquarters (second coming) in the North was here in Indiana.

You made it way more than what it was by going on with your misplaced "South pride" rant and no matter how many times you divert to slavery in other places in the world it won't change the generations of Africans who suffered at the hands of Americans and the ambition of the South more than any to keep blacks oppressed more than any even after slavery was abolished.


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« Reply #21 on: Mon Aug 15, 2011 - 12:55:46 »

The term is American slavery. We are African Americans not African Brazilians.

Dear Brother LH, there is several things in your post that I do not agree with and we can go into it later if you so desire.  Since I'm heading out the door on this beautiful day here in South Carolina, I would like to just bring to you one point right now.  Unless you were born in Africa, then you are an AMERICAN, not African American anymore that I am a European-American Indian  American (yea, via my ancestors I can live on and be part owner of a Cherokee reservation even thought visually you would never know it).  It's either Black and White, or African American and European American ~ Remember, equal rights?!

Quite honestly, I like to think of us as simply Americans and not by the color of our skin or where our ancestors came from.  After a while since everybody is inter mixing that is going to get lengthy to be PC.  Would you like to refer someone that is several races, as in:  "She is European-African-Indian American"?   ::smile::

(hence, our dear president would be labeled European-African American)

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Aug 15, 2011 - 14:44:29 »

The term is American slavery. We are African Americans not African Brazilians.

Dear Brother LH, there is several things in your post that I do not agree with and we can go into it later if you so desire.  Since I'm heading out the door on this beautiful day here in South Carolina, I would like to just bring to you one point right now.  Unless you were born in Africa, then you are an AMERICAN, not African American anymore that I am a European-American Indian  American (yea, via my ancestors I can live on and be part owner of a Cherokee reservation even thought visually you would never know it).  It's either Black and White, or African American and European American ~ Remember, equal rights?!

Quite honestly, I like to think of us as simply Americans and not by the color of our skin or where our ancestors came from.  After a while since everybody is inter mixing that is going to get lengthy to be PC.  Would you like to refer someone that is several races, as in:  "She is European-African-Indian American"?   ::smile::

(hence, our dear president would be labeled European-African American)



Hahaha I wish the South would've thought that way 100 years ago.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon Aug 15, 2011 - 15:11:41 »

Just whom is doing the separating of the North and South that is making you sick,....???

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I think that was Jeff Davis & Co.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Sep 07, 2011 - 06:57:29 »

Just whom is doing the separating of the North and South that is making you sick,....???

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I think that was Jeff Davis & Co.

It was slavery.

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Re: The Civil War, Slavery, and The Lost Cause
« Reply #25 on: Wed Sep 07, 2011 - 11:38:36 »
You might note that the pronoun was 'whom'.

 

     
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