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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2008, 05:15:20 PM »

When the article says the following about Bush and Schwarzenneger it gives me just a bit o' pause:

"The answer is rather simple, yet extremely sad and very hard for any of us to believe. Both of these men hate and despise the God of Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ, and his teachings."

Just because Bush (a deeply dedicated evangelical Christian from what I have read and seen, just not a Christian Zionist, and certainly not a religious pluralist-I'd like to see a reference for this quote) thinks the Arabs are entitled to land and Schwarzenneger doesn't want to offend gays, that is proof that they hate God? Whether one agrees with either man's view or not, that seems a bit strong to me.

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2008, 06:02:24 PM »

When the article says the following about Bush and Schwarzenneger it gives me just a bit o' pause:

"The answer is rather simple, yet extremely sad and very hard for any of us to believe. Both of these men hate and despise the God of Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ, and his teachings."

Just because Bush (a deeply dedicated evangelical Christian from what I have read and seen, just not a Christian Zionist, and certainly not a religious pluralist-I'd like to see a reference for this quote) thinks the Arabs are entitled to land and Schwarzenneger doesn't want to offend gays, that is proof that they hate God? Whether one agrees with either man's view or not, that seems a bit strong to me.

Pax.

I don't agree with all he says either but I believe he gives us much to consider.  Did you read all of the article?
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2008, 09:37:52 AM »

And here I thought the Statue of Liberty symbolized our being a nation of immigrants!   Boy I need to restudy my history!
The Statue of Liberty was supposed to be a veiled Egyptian woman and stand in the Suez Canal, you know.

http://www.klif.com/Backside_Of_American_History2.pdf
Read chapter 57, "The Statue of Liberty"

 
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2008, 03:23:26 PM »

Weak.

This same argument has been passed around for decades.  Weak.

The FACT that the majority of people who came to this nation were Christians and believed in the GOD of Abraham proves that this is a Christian nation.  They only made this stupid document for trade purposes.

Christian nation through and through.  We are now beset by heathen liberal media.  However, we are still at our core a Christian nation.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2008, 03:41:57 PM »

To what argument are you referring?  The OP isn't an argument, it's a treaty.  If you're referring to posts after it, you'll have to specify.  The post preceding yours was mine, and in it I presented no argument, but a bit of trivia concerning the Statue of Liberty.

As for the media, you must be confused about the thread you're reading, this one has nothing to do with them.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2008, 08:21:29 PM »

Weak.

This same argument has been passed around for decades.  Weak.

The FACT that the majority of people who came to this nation were Christians and believed in the GOD of Abraham proves that this is a Christian nation.  They only made this stupid document for trade purposes.

Christian nation through and through.  We are now beset by heathen liberal media.  However, we are still at our core a Christian nation.

This nation may have once been a nation based on Christian values but some foreign nations don't see it that way anymore.

I have to admit that putting myself on the other side of the glass looking in it doesn't resemble Christ nor anything He stood for.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2009, 10:36:15 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 01:03:30 PM »

Okay, what exactly are those distinctly Judeo-Christian principles and where can I find them in our founding documents?
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2009, 06:49:14 PM »

First, I've never understood the point of the "Christian nation" argument unless its some sort of replacement theology making the United States the new Israel.

Second, the Founders were influenced by Christianity, yet took pains to insist that government and church not be entwined. Prior to the Revolution and even after the adoption of the Articles of Confederacy the official state churches in some states had the power to levy taxes to support their activities. They apparently saw this as not being a good idea.

Third, many of the Founders were Deists who rejected the supernatural revelation of God.

Notably Jefferson made his own heretic Bible which omitted all miracles including resurrection. In the early 1900's copies of the Jefferson Bible were given to new Congressmen who often took the oath of office on a Bible that did not contain the Old Testament and ends with a dead Jesus in the tomb!

Patrick Henry was a believer. When the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom was being considered the preamble stated
Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free.
Henry and others moved to strike "Almight God" and substitute "Jesus Christ" and their amendment failed.

The Founders were influenced by the Bible but many weren't the pious believers the history changers would love for you to believe.

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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2009, 07:59:33 PM »

...we are still at our core a Christian nation.
Yep, at our core a Christian nation.

It's around the edges that we aren't so much.  But then, that's where most of the people live.
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2009, 08:01:31 PM »

I had always believed it to be founded on Christian principles. But then someone made an interesting point that caught my eye.

Look what those "Christians" did to the native American's and to the slaves they brought over from Africa. That is not the signs of a Christian nation.
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2009, 06:24:10 PM »

Most of the founders of the US state were empowered by Enlightenment principles rather than Christian ones, per se.
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2009, 12:50:36 PM »

If the US wasn't specifically founded upon the Christian religion, would it be fair to say the US was founded upon Judaeo-Christian principles?

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What "principles" are you talking about? 
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 03:28:54 PM »

What does it take to be a "Christian nation"?
There cannot be any such thing as a Christian Nation until each and every person acts in accordance with what the Bible says, is a Christian.

In other words, a Christian Nation must start with each and every person, being an individual  Christian both in word, and deed.



The New Earth, will be a Christian Nation, totally and completely.
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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2009, 01:30:35 PM »

Enlightenment = The Age of Reason

A time when Philosophy, Science/Reason ruled the thought processes and was the prime motivator in politics and advancement of mankind.  Overlapped with the Renaissance but helped usher in the ideology that would lead to the American Revolution.
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