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« on: October 14, 2009, 10:47:42 AM »
As a 13yrd old boy, i've become more and more interested in science and physics, yet at the same time I'm a Christian, and wanted to ask what everyone thought about Evolution and The Big Bang Theory. I've been on numerous websites teaching loads of different things I couldn't even start to understand. I've come to the conclusion that God didn't make us as single cells to evolve into what we are today, not just because of the bible, but because I find scientific evidence doesn't explain how we could have evolved over millions of years without something going wrong, and how we could have got to be such complex beings. I wanted to know what you thought about macro evolution also (as micro-evolution is fact)?

The second thing I wanted to ask you is about the date of the earth and the big bang theory. I may be missing something here, but I can't see how the big bang theory (on it's own) be enough to explain our existence. Last time I checked nothing can come out of nothing, and the universe can't just 'be there' with out being created. Onto the date of the earth. I believe in a young earth, yet at the same time, I wandered if there was actually any scientific evidence that could say 'the earth is this many years old, no questions'. I think I'm right to believe the bible goes back roughly 7000 years to the time of Adam and Eve, yet we don't know the time gap between genesis 1 when Adam and Eve were created, and genesis 2 when they sinned.

Thanks a lot! (P.S- Did I post this in the right place?)
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 09:37:31 AM »
Quote from: Gamerjohn21 on October 14, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
The second thing I wanted to ask you is about the date of the earth and the big bang theory. I may be missing something here, but I can't see how the big bang theory (on it's own) be enough to explain our existence. Last time I checked nothing can come out of nothing, and the universe can't just 'be there' with out being created. Onto the date of the earth. I believe in a young earth, yet at the same time, I wandered if there was actually any scientific evidence that could say 'the earth is this many years old, no questions'. I think I'm right to believe the bible goes back roughly 7000 years to the time of Adam and Eve, yet we don't know the time gap between genesis 1 when Adam and Eve were created, and genesis 2 when they sinned.

Thanks a lot! (P.S- Did I post this in the right place?)



The polar ice caps give us good solid evidence the earth is old even w/o using various dating methods.  We can see light from stars that are many millions of light years away so obviously the universe has had to be around for quite some time.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 02:14:24 PM »
The second one you mention is really what made me question the young-Earth theory.  Reading the first chapter of Genesis for meaning, that is, realizing what it was trying to convey and just where the Sun, moon, etc. fit in the equation, sealed it for me.

Genesis 1 is a wonderful account of creation, however, it is not meant to be a scientific account, imho.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 10:37:21 PM »
Faith is not science and science is not faith.

If God is a God without man-made limitations, He is perfectly capable of creating a fully functioning universe with fully functioning living things, with a fully functioning earth, with or without a "past."  He is capable of putting light waves into their proper place so we can see the stars.  He does not need time to help him.  However, in our limited capacity, we may need time as a crutch to explain things to ourselves if we lack faith in the bible.

If one believes God is without limit and is capable of doing all the above and much more beyond our imaginations, then we are only capable of measuring time for which we have a history passed down from our forefathers.  Beyond that we may not be able to differentiate between what was created and what came with the passing of time.

The Bible is very clear that we are within the dimension of time and that not all of creation is in the time dimension.  The Bible says time will be called to an end.

As far as evolution and the big bang, there is no scientific evidence for either.

Do not base your faith on cartoons in a government school textbook.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 11:34:14 PM »
There is no scientific evidence for any science.  It is all simply made up.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2009, 12:50:33 PM »
Read this for an account of the geological periods as represented by the 'days' in the Bible.

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Apologies to anyone who couldn't  gain access and hopefully it has been sorted. Thanks.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=d7z8q66_34fjms5tg2
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 01:44:25 PM »
Quote from: Mr. J on October 22, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
Faith is not science and science is not faith.

If God is a God without man-made limitations, He is perfectly capable of creating a fully functioning universe with fully functioning living things, with a fully functioning earth, with or without a "past."  He is capable of putting light waves into their proper place so we can see the stars.  He does not need time to help him.  

And if God is a God without man-made limitations, He is perfectly capable of creating a fully functioning universe through all the physical laws of of this universe as He created them in the beginning with the big bang.  He does not need anyone, particularly the uneducated in the basic laws of sicence, to invent how they think He might have done it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 11:18:18 PM »

        
Quote from: Gamerjohn21 on October 14, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
As a 13yrd old boy, i've become more and more interested in science and physics, yet at the same time I'm a Christian, and wanted to ask what everyone thought about Evolution and The Big Bang Theory. I've been on numerous websites teaching loads of different things I couldn't even start to understand. I've come to the conclusion that God didn't make us as single cells to evolve into what we are today, not just because of the bible, but because I find scientific evidence doesn't explain how we could have evolved over millions of years without something going wrong, and how we could have got to be such complex beings. I wanted to know what you thought about macro evolution also (as micro-evolution is fact)?

The second thing I wanted to ask you is about the date of the earth and the big bang theory. I may be missing something here, but I can't see how the big bang theory (on it's own) be enough to explain our existence. Last time I checked nothing can come out of nothing, and the universe can't just 'be there' with out being created. Onto the date of the earth. I believe in a young earth, yet at the same time, I wandered if there was actually any scientific evidence that could say 'the earth is this many years old, no questions'. I think I'm right to believe the bible goes back roughly 7000 years to the time of Adam and Eve, yet we don't know the time gap between genesis 1 when Adam and Eve were created, and genesis 2 when they sinned.

Thanks a lot! (P.S- Did I post this in the right place?)

your a lot smarter at 13 than iam at 60.


but  there is some one a whole lot smarter in the area of science and history and the begining of creation than any of us .
And thats God.

And you knew that and told us that beautifuly and you are  only  13.

 To me who might live to be 70 or even to perhaps 80 if God gives me the strength  .
7000 years is a very long time .


any way thought you might like a new link  with a lot about science.

http://lutheranscience.org/2009-AgeofEarth.html

http://lutheranscience.org/
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 12:34:38 PM »
Quote from: Mr. J on October 22, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
Faith is not science and science is not faith.

If God is a God without man-made limitations, He is perfectly capable of creating a fully functioning universe with fully functioning living things, with a fully functioning earth, with or without a "past."  He is capable of putting light waves into their proper place so we can see the stars.  He does not need time to help him.  However, in our limited capacity, we may need time as a crutch to explain things to ourselves if we lack faith in the bible.

If one believes God is without limit and is capable of doing all the above and much more beyond our imaginations, then we are only capable of measuring time for which we have a history passed down from our forefathers.  Beyond that we may not be able to differentiate between what was created and what came with the passing of time.

The Bible is very clear that we are within the dimension of time and that not all of creation is in the time dimension.  The Bible says time will be called to an end.
As far as evolution and the big bang, there is no scientific evidence for either.

Do not base your faith on cartoons in a government school textbook.

Great post.  I have never really thought deeply about time outside of a great Sunday School class when I was about 12 years old and we were discussing death, rapture, and all meeting at the time of judgement. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 02:17:08 AM »
When the Big Bang Theory was first proposed, it was rejected by a lot of scientists on the grounds that it was too similar to Genesis to be scientific fact (Let there be light.....and there was light).   Personally I don't see how the Big Bang Theory contradicts anything in Christianity. 

As for evolution, guaranteed that some form of evolution has certainly taken place on earth, there is a large fossil record showing how organisms have changed over thousands and even millions of years.  However the idea that life sprang up from no where on its own, evolved from single celled organisms to complex life forms that all fitted perfectly into an unimaginably complex biological web with each organism fulfilling a role in making an entire ecosystem work, all without a guiding hand, is preposterous.  It's what's called the Thermo-Dynamic Miracle, the idea that even if something is technically POSSIBLE, the odds of it ever actually happening are so infinitesimally small that even when dealing with numbers as large as we see when studying the universe, that if it were to actually occur it would be the same as a miracle. 

I don't think you can simply cling to either creationism or evolution absolutely, the truth certainly lies somewhere in between.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 09:06:21 AM »
Great thoughts.  I liked the idea of the big bang = let there be light, never thought about that (sadly).

I can definitely cling to creationism but I also see the adaption of biological life that takes place.  So evolution = no, adaption = of course.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 10:14:04 PM »
Quote from: Jimmy on October 25, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
He does not need anyone, particularly the uneducated in the basic laws of sicence, to invent how they think He might have done it.

Bravo!  We are in total agreement on this point.  The uneducated who wish to push a THEORY as though it were fact have always been a great problem within the scientific community.  The Big Bang THEORY is just that, a theory.  It remains a theory because it has too many holes in it to be accepted by the scientific body as a whole.

We are plagued by those who push theories as though they were fact.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 09:14:38 AM »
Quote from: Mr. J on November 11, 2009, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 25, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
He does not need anyone, particularly the uneducated in the basic laws of sicence, to invent how they think He might have done it.

Bravo!  We are in total agreement on this point.  The uneducated who wish to push a THEORY as though it were fact have always been a great problem within the scientific community.  The Big Bang THEORY is just that, a theory.  It remains a theory because it has too many holes in it to be accepted by the scientific body as a whole.

We are plagued by those who push theories as though they were fact.


If you believe that there was no "big bang" or beginning to our universe [or have an alternate belief] you can gather your data/evidence and submit it to the scientific community [peer reviewed journal works well].  If your findings refute what is currently believed, I'm sure you would win a nobel prize of some sort.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 03:52:03 PM »
Quote from: Ciscokid on November 19, 2009, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. J on November 11, 2009, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 25, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
He does not need anyone, particularly the uneducated in the basic laws of sicence, to invent how they think He might have done it.

Bravo!  We are in total agreement on this point.  The uneducated who wish to push a THEORY as though it were fact have always been a great problem within the scientific community.  The Big Bang THEORY is just that, a theory.  It remains a theory because it has too many holes in it to be accepted by the scientific body as a whole.

We are plagued by those who push theories as though they were fact.


If you believe that there was no "big bang" or beginning to our universe [or have an alternate belief] you can gather your data/evidence and submit it to the scientific community [peer reviewed journal works well].  If your findings refute what is currently believed, I'm sure you would win a nobel prize of some sort.

Will you please show me the data that proves the Big Bang theory?  Perhaps while you are doing that, you can explain why it violates Newton's laws of motion?

Thanks!

In Christ,
KP
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 08:26:24 PM »
Quote from: k-pappy on November 19, 2009, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Ciscokid on November 19, 2009, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. J on November 11, 2009, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: Jimmy on October 25, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
He does not need anyone, particularly the uneducated in the basic laws of sicence, to invent how they think He might have done it.

Bravo!  We are in total agreement on this point.  The uneducated who wish to push a THEORY as though it were fact have always been a great problem within the scientific community.  The Big Bang THEORY is just that, a theory.  It remains a theory because it has too many holes in it to be accepted by the scientific body as a whole.

We are plagued by those who push theories as though they were fact.


If you believe that there was no "big bang" or beginning to our universe [or have an alternate belief] you can gather your data/evidence and submit it to the scientific community [peer reviewed journal works well].  If your findings refute what is currently believed, I'm sure you would win a nobel prize of some sort.

Will you please show me the data that proves the Big Bang theory?  Perhaps while you are doing that, you can explain why it violates Newton's laws of motion?

Thanks!

In Christ,
KP


Law?  I wonder what Newton would do with today's technology. 
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