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Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« on: March 19, 2010, 10:58:30 PM »
John MacArthur has a great chapter in his book about the failings of modern Christian music.

I enjoy contemporary worship but it is never as deep and spiritual (in my opinion) as a service filled with hymns.

Am I an old fogie at age 37?

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Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 11:04:59 PM »



   Does one have to be 30 something in order to miss em? ::lookaround::

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 07:24:35 PM »
Just going off observation.  I haven't met anyone younger than me around our church that feels the same my, except my wife.

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2010, 07:47:40 AM »
I think you need both. I do think the trend to more emotional music has clear draw backs. All about feeling and nothing about an active faith that does. Hymns definitely have that going for them. We still do hymns but you won't find all of our songs hymns.

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2010, 08:57:40 AM »
We don't do hymns.  We believe worship is for an audience of One.  He doesn't need us to teach Him doctrine. 

I always fond the "contemporary worship is not as deep" view kinda funny, since so much of it is either paraphrase or direct quotation of Scripture.

Darn that Psalm 136 writer... Didn't he know that repeating the same 4 words 26 times in one song would open him up to being accused of writing shallow "7/11" songs?

But the bottom line is it's a preference thing.

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2010, 09:25:24 AM »
I like a mix.  Sometimes, throwing in a hymn written 300 years ago is refreshing.  But, there are some great newer songs as well.

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2010, 09:31:03 AM »
Them old songs were new at one point...

LOL

the only constant in this world is change...get used to the notion.

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2010, 11:22:17 AM »
So why does our less than 100 member congregation sound like 250 when we sing hymns and like 13 when we sing contemporary?

Is familiarity the only factor?

hmmm ::smile::

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 06:56:52 PM »
I don't even go to "worship center" (even the name has changed with the times) because the people do nothing but sit there while the "praise team" sings that contemporary hillsong stuff and the minister talks about how to know what your kids do on the computer". God has left.

I remember back when worship involved the congregation with hymns and prayer. This contemporary worship is something I can get on my computer. I stay home. If I ever stumble across a real church, I will go, but it isn't going to happen.

It may be "move with the times" yet they say God's word is timeless. Contradiction to me.

It isn't worship when only the band and such participate to an audience.  And I disliked that most. A band, drums  and cymbals and all the loud over expensive sound systems.

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 10:45:42 AM »
You said it.  Too much performance IMO.

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 08:25:41 PM »
Contemporary songs are more "instrumental" focused and the "audience" is not supposed to interfere with the performers: that the purpose driven performance.

But, then, you do know that there are two ROADS in the Bible and the sacrificial system imposed but not commanded the noise was to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." But they had been sentenced to return to "beyond Babylon." Music is called "sacred violence" because it intends to silence the voice of the victim: works pretty well in my left-behind experience.

The Qahal, synagogue or Church in the wilderness was ordained for the Holy Convocation which for the "civillians" was each rest day: rest never means worship.

That was inclusive of Rest, reading and rehearsing the Word of God: what a disciple does.
It was exclusive of "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" because that is what a disciple NEVER does unless he wants to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.

The synagogue for the civillians continued throughout the Old Testament and into the New Testament: it had no preaching, singing or collection plates except for the "poor box" (for the poor.)

That was exampled by  Jesus and commanded in most of Paul's epistles and by Peter. It was practiced by the historical Church of Christ until the year 373 when singing as an ACT was imposed by a Syriac bishop. That split the east church from the west and that continues.

There is no "music" concept in the New Testament other than the prodigal son and musid defacto demands dancing.  And in Revelation 18 where the Muses (code word = Locusts) along with the instrument players and craftsmen are called "sorcerers" who HAD deceived the whole world.

Recorded on clay tablets is the proof that by making "notey" sounds with pipes or brass (serpent) one could exercise powerful control over others. That is confirmed by modern medical science which knows that music causes the body to create endorphins which in turn creates the impulses of Fight, Flight or a sexual feeling. Furthermore, most of us have damaged hearing even by congregational singing where hundreds of people WORK HARD to make the complex harmony which includes the "dog barks" and "water drips" which drives you mad even when you think you are getting PLEASURED (what Paul outlawed in Romans 15)

So, music, like all drugs, is highly addictive and the DOSE always calls for more and louder.

So, the "preference" thingy is what Paul outlawed in Romans 14 as "doubtful disputations" which the Diet Sects engaged in in the marketplaces.  Then, you can use one mind and one  mouth to speak "that which is written" and "written for our learning."

Most if not all musical terms and names of instruments defines "enchantment" or "sorcery."

No one ever needed or tried to justify "music" from the Bible until the Disciples in 1878 but not even their scholars agreed. The Psallo word means to PLUCK with your fingers but NEVER with a plectrum: no picks, no flutes, not cymbals, drums are even permitted by psallo which is THE sole justification for instruments. History notes that deep financial waters prompted the first Black Methodists instruments and an elder told J.W.McGarvey that they would not make it without music.

Sad: if you can't define ekklesia or synagogue can you belong to one?

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 12:42:59 PM »
I grew up in church back when they played a piano and someone led the congregation in singing. Now, many years later, when I decided to find God and went to church, I discover a show. A performance. I don't mind that they have music. I cannot stand that band, ear splitting sound system, cymbals and drums, as they bang away at "christian rock" music. I cannot stand it so I quit going. 

That wasn't worship, for me. They aren't going to stop doing it for me, and I am never going to be able to endure that ear splitting rock concert. It is clearly intended to please the young crowd, and seeing them dancing to that is just not for me.

One church I tried has two services, but they use the band rock in the first, and an orchestra in the second, which at least felt more dignified. But it was still a performance that left me out of it. I can get every single thing they have, at home. I listen to their sermons on their site podcast.

I don't know when all this change happened, but it is not my idea of worship, so I stay home. They aren't losing any sleep over that.  ::sleepingsoundly::

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 03:21:14 PM »
The plan was to make individuals into disciples: the task is to teach and learn what Christ taught in the prophets and the prophecies made perfect.  Peter outlawed "private interpretation" meaning further expounding. Paul defined "corrupting the Word" as "selling learning at retail" or just being a huckster.

The Restoration Movement "restored" by casting off the clergy. However, the clergy, universities and religious publishing companies have infiltrated and diverted the church so that it is not an ekklesia which is a School (only) of the Word (only).  It has no other role and the only "worship" concept is to give heed to the reading and discussion of the Word.  Some manage to do that with instrumental performance, others  do it with what they call ACappella which is "after the Pope's castratos" which he found "performed" better than the clergy singers who sang "falsetto" (ccm).  All priesthood roles were feminine but they had to be performed by males "performing the role of women." There is no recorded history which says otherwise.

Therefore, we ALL have let the professional performers take over from we "pharisees and hypocrites." What they manage to do is hide the fact that Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees (professional clergy) hypocrites by naming speakers, singers and instrument players especially in Ezekiel 33.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast HID these things from the WISE and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Plut. Crass. 23 But when they were near the Romans and the signal was raised by their commander, first of all they filled the plain with the sound of a deep and terrifying roar. [7] For the Parthians do not incite themselves to battle with horns or trumpets, but they have hollow drums of distended hide, covered with bronze bells, and on these they beat all at once in many quarters, and the instruments give forth a low and dismal tone, a blend of wild beast's roar and harsh thunder peal.
        They had rightly judged that, of all the senses,
        hearing is the one most apt to confound the soul,
        soonest rouses its emotions,
        and most effectively unseats the judgment.


That is why religious music was always called sorcery (Rev 18) or witchcraft who are on the burn list. The marks of sight and sound of God driving His enemies into "hell" is the wind, string and percussion instruments even the Jews used to burn infants.

The WISE who will never be able to read BLACK text on BROWN paper.

Sophis-tēs , A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, “meletan sophistais prosbalon

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2010, 07:40:36 AM »
So there should not be any music in a proper church service?

hmm

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Re: Am I the only 30-something who misses hymns?
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 07:41:39 AM »
Aren't the Psalms a collection of "songs" with some having instructions on how to "pluck" the notes that should accompany the recitation?