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Catholic Forum / Re: Does the pope descern the times
« Last post by Ladonia on Today at 06:51:11 AM »
The Pope has no need to address this purely internal issue of gay marriage and this specific ruling. He is already on record as supporting the traditional family unit, so what more do you want? The Bishops who are here in America are addressing this issue head on and you can be sure that they have the Holy Father's complete blessing to do this.
what do you mean by this?
The Supreme Court's ruling was a purely internal political matter with no bearing on any other countries laws.
internal where?  internal what?

you don't think it'll have 'any bearing' on those in other countries?  they won't create unrest until they get the same law?

just political?  It only matters to Catholics in the US as something political?

It affects only the citizens of the United States and no one else.
how about all those in other countries who will now want to come here for SSM?

how about the illegals here (non citizens)?

Why does that seem so difficult for you to understand? 
see above replies...
Other countries are way ahead of us with the so-called gay marriage issue. Europe has gone that way already as has Canada. The only one's who are holding out are the Muslim countries and Africa, so it's too late on that specious claim.
all of the questions above, and that's your only reply?
Let's see. I answered once, then came back and answered again.
answering a question once and then coming back and answering that question again does not equal answering all questions asked.  that's answering 1 question twice.
I asked about 7 of them...

If you are not satisfied with the answers I have given there is nothing I can do.
I'm not satisfied with a non answer - that you can do something about.  you just don't want to.  You do that often...

as for countries 'ahead' of us on SSM -  check a globe.

I feel that my answers are good enough and it is up to you to accept them or reject them. You choose to reject them and that is your business.

I reject the assertion that the Pope can do any more on the subject of so-called same sex marriage or that the recent Supreme Court ruling has a great bearing on the decisions of other countries regarding this issue. What happens from this point on is up to them and their legislative processes. And legally, this decision only affects the citizens of, or any immigrants actually here, in these United States. Now that is the reality - now deal with it.
Theology Forum / Re: When do we receive the Holy Spirit? .....
« Last post by TruthScientist on Today at 06:48:44 AM »
Did I not say falling upon, and not enter?

Yes, you did...and I answered by stating that if the Spirit will not enter a person until after they have been saved, then neither will he fall upon an unsaved person.

As evidence, I submit that there is not any passage in Scripture which says that the Spirit ever fell upon a person that was not walking in divine relationship with God. Not in the OT, and not in the NT.


how would anyone know who is walking in divine relationship with God?
Theology Forum / Re: Sinners without sin
« Last post by 19 on Today at 06:39:14 AM »
For those of us in Christ Jesus, we are sinners without sin, for us there is no judgement,

How can this be so???

Any one care to explain.

In all His Love

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. KJV

If we believe in Jesus we are justified. God imputes Jesus’ righteousness to us without any righteous works. In addition God does not impute any sin to us for those bad works that we do.

1 Cor 3:11   For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV

The foundation of Jesus is our righteousness. Those works that we do are either precious or stubble. When we die the stubble gets burned up and the precious materials come with us. Our good works do not count toward our salvation but rather for reward. Jesus did it all and we cannot improve upon His work toward salvation.

Those same works without Jesus’ righteousness would be filthy rags. Because we are in Jesus and doing those righteous acts to glorify Jesus they show our love for God. Therefore; they bring honor to God.

Since the stubble gets burned away those works do not follow us into heaven. That is why God can say their are no unrighteous people in heaven. As an example:

 1 Cor 11:28  But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. KJV

You can read the entire account in 1 Cor 11: 16 - 34. What Paul said above is some of those who were unworthy when they took communion died and went to heaven. ( some were sick and many sleep). Yet Paul states in another place that there are no drunkards in heaven. Now those who slept because of abusing communion were disciplined by God. They knew that they had to quit getting drunk and acting unrighteous during communion. Yet they kept doing what they were doing. God eventually called them home because of their refusal to repent. When they died their unrighteous stubble was burned away. Therefore, there are no unrighteous people in heaven. God did not impute any unrighteous behavior to them.

We are not judged for sin but for lack of being fruitful. God leaves us here to bring Jesus glory. If our actions do the opposite He calls us home.

2 Tim 2:20  But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work. KJV

We should work with the Spirit to purge our stubble so we can be useful to the master. Again this is not for salvation. This is to honor Him who makes it possible for us to be pleasing to God.

Wed Jun 24, 2015 at 04:44 PM PDT
by d3clark

Ann Coulter attacks Nikki Haley, but Coulter busts (again)

Another hackjob from a liberal blog. 

Liberals HATE Ann Coulter.  We get it.  Most liberals tend to hate everyone who does not agree with them 100%.
Catholic Forum / Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Last post by Ladonia on Today at 06:37:46 AM »
Ladonia have you ever apologized to me for saying things like... '

"Yeah yeah we know, He fell into your clutches"... concerning my husband getting saved and leaving the Catholic church. So many comments like this over time, I can't count them. Comments that would lead any sound person to think you would rather he be Catholic than saved.

And evidently, I am not supposed to defend myself against them either.

In dealing with you sometimes I can't help myself and I have asked God for forgiveness. As for your post now, all I can say is that you re-read my previous post. Poster Buster Crab did indeed touch my heart with his words.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Donald Trump?
« Last post by Jd34 on Today at 06:36:53 AM »
If it comes down to Hillary or Trump.   Who would you vote for?

Christian Politics Forum / Re: Donald Trump?
« Last post by Tyler on Today at 06:28:31 AM »
Buster D Body Crab: "Let the leftists tell it and Mexico is a barren wasteland of poverty and decay. Poor them. They have nothing at all. No jobs, no homes, no money, no chance. Go north! And save yourselves! Open borders are a sign of a free country."

Thanks for the educated come back. Refreshing indeed! What I am going to say here will no doubt get me thrown off the forum. It is a sad commentary, but the Catholic Church was the dominate force in Mexico for well over 400 years. The elite were educated and the poor illiterate for years, left to do their dirty work. Where plaster of paris statutes of "Saints" are worshiped, and Mary on a equal footing with Jesus.
As Mr. Trump said, "Mexico did not send the U.S. their best, but the uneducated, their drug dealers, thief's, murders, etc." It takes men with backbone to stand and tell it like it is.
Already, the pack of Republican and liberal wolves have started to chew on his words.

Only the truth will set one free and one has but a short time in life to find it.
Jesus said from the mount, "Seek you FIRST the kingdom of God and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." The King James translators made a tactical mistake by separating verse 34 of chapter 6 in Matthew from His words in chapter 7:1ff.
The Greek manuscripts were not separated into chapters. His teachings from the mount are punctuated by his words in verses 7 and 8. "Seek" is the square root of Love.

Mr. Trump emphasized that their are many wonderful people from Mexico, but the working class established in America cannot support all who cross our Southern border. We are in debt close to 20 trillion. As I recall, Mr. Trump said by 2020 their will be "no fix for recovering the U.S. dollar."

True Science: "Guys I am of mixed stock... so bare me record on some points of this matter...  I certainly cannot call myself an expert in any discipline or study.  but I do trust in the Spirit of Him who sent Him to pay a price for the rescue of the world.  I am of indian (east texas/Oklahoma black (Ark., Huntville, Al, Oklahoma) and white (Ark., NE Texas around Detroit/Paris)...  heavy Caucasian on my mothers side, African on fathers, Indian on both...  Even though I was raised black I have never felt comfortable with either race listening to their rhetoric both of them...  so much hatred from the many, quietness from another great number and the reconcilers are few and marked by either side..."

Brother, I appreciate your background---you are indeed a class act to emulate! but, would you not agree that men of all races must be taught to "hate." We are all color blind when coming from the womb! We are all born in the image of God. True, many of us drew the short end of the stick, but to envy what the other guy has and kill him for it-- is of the devil.

Paul's words in Ephesians 6:12, "For we wrestle not against  flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Note that--"spiritual wickedness in high places").
That brother is what we are up against...This is why we must "put on the whole armor of God to be able to stand against the wiles of the devil" (Eph. 6:11).

"Once man rebels against God he becomes an enemy even to his fellow man." (C. C. Crawford, Genesis 1 & 2, College Press)

Theology Forum / Re: Sinners without sin
« Last post by mjrhealth on Today at 06:25:24 AM »
Thanks charlie 24, 1 out of 3 isnt bad..

Simply put if you feel condmend by you sin, you have not accepted grace, because those in Christ have no condemnation.

In simple terms. If you broke a law, and the accuser tried to take you to court and the judge knew the price was paid for and accpted. He would thorw the case out, would be a waste of His time.

Some reading,

Rom_8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
And yet some still hang dearly on to the law.

Read Rom ch 7 and ask for understanding. The answer is all there.

 in all His Love
rush and ann are no different than jesse and al...  they play on the emotions of people to earn a living...  they do less of the nation (except in the eyes of the right) then they do for their own pockets and popularity...
Theology Forum / Re: Sinners without sin
« Last post by Charlie24 on Today at 06:17:12 AM »
For those of us in Christ Jesus, we are sinners without sin, for us there is no judgement,

How can this be so???

Any one care to explain.

In all His Love

Even though the child of God is saved, there is still sin until the corruptible puts on the incorruptible at the resurrection. This is when the saint cannot sin anymore, he is now as Christ immortal and sinless.

When a person comes to Christ and is washed in the blood of the Lamb, the person will still sin even trying his best to live for God. When God looks at a child of His, He doesn't see the sinner anymore. He sees the blood of Christ, He sees perfection, fit for the kingdom of God.

We are made righteous through our faith in the shed blood of Christ. In the sight of God it as though we had never sinned. Scripture says He will place our sins as far as the east is from the west, nevermore to be remembered. He is a wonderful and merciful God! But God will not be merciful to those who refuse to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
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