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Theology Forum / Re: Once saved, Always saved..right?
« Last post by TruthScientist on Yesterday at 05:50:39 PM »
okay but this who HE is, Truth is HE...  I will give you this one but what other than attributes can God be held back from.  no one can keep HIM from doing what ever HE sets to do...
Theology Forum / Re: Is the devil really real?
« Last post by TruthScientist on Yesterday at 05:48:08 PM »
I agree, is HE King of Kings, yes.  But HE is not currently in that role like HE will be when he takes the Throne of David during the 1000 year reign before the War of Wars...

End Times Forum / Re: That Great City, mystery Babylon
« Last post by whitestone on Yesterday at 05:33:00 PM »
Phil and Laspino, you two are really embarrassing yourselves. You didn't even read the scriptures I posted, yet attempt to pass them off as Unfulfilled.  That is extremely bad form. Let me post them again, and this time read the word of God.

Jerusalem has ALWAYS been the Babylon harlot working the mystery of iniquity.  Please try not  to argue against God anymore.

(Isa 1:1)  The vision of Isaiah....concerning Judah and Jerusalem...

(Isa 1:21)  How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

This harlot abomination has always been Jerusalem;

(Rev 17:5)  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

(Rev 11:8)  ...the great city, ... where also our Lord was crucified.

(Rev 17:18)  And the woman which thou sawest is that great city...

(Eze 16:2)  Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

(Eze 16:20)  Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,

(Eze 23:17)  And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them...

(Jer 3:6)  The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
(Jer 3:7)  And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
(Jer 3:8)  And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

(Eze 16:41)  And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
(Eze 16:42)  So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
(Eze 16:43)  Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord GOD: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.
(Eze 16:44)  Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.
(Eze 16:45)  Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children...

(Eze 16:46)  And thine elder sister is Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.
(Eze 16:47)  Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.
(Eze 16:48)  As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
(Eze 16:49)  Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
(Eze 16:50)  And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
(Eze 16:51)  Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.
(Eze 16:52)  Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.

(Jer 2:20)  For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

(Jer 3:3)  Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.

(Jer 3:20)  Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.

(Hos 2:4)  And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
(Hos 2:5)  For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.

(Hos 4:12)  My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.

(Hos 5:3)  I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled.
(Hos 5:4)  They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD.

(2Th 2:7)  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

(Eze 23:8)  Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
(Eze 23:11)  And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

(Zec 2:7)  Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

(Jer 51:24)  And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD.

(Lev 21:9)  And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
(Rev 18:16)  And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! (priestly garments, ephod, breastplate, gold temple artifcacts, etc)
(Rev 17:16)  ..., and burn her with fire.

(Mat 23:35)  That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
(Mat 23:37)  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,...

(Rev 17:6)  And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus...

(Eze 23:30)  I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

(Eze 23:31)  Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

(Eze 23:32)  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

(Eze 23:33)  Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.
(Eze 23:34)  Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
(Eze 23:35)  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

I could continue... but these few verses should leave no doubt who the whore of Rev 17 was, and why she was burnt to the ground as prophecied in AD 70.

Now, there she sits over there in that land again, that deadly head-wound self healed, rising up out of the sea of people... satan loosed again for a "little season"... while all the world looks and "wonders" after this disgusting whore over in the middle east and watching her cast down the stars of heaven with her tail... seeking to devour those who are born of Christ and His Wife...

So there is the answer to the OP

Yes Christ has Come.

 Is Christ bodily coming again FOR YOU?

"bodily"?  What verse do you find that word? Christ already Came. He hasn't left nor forsaken me. I've received Him IN MY FLESH.

I AM the Body of Christ. He has no other BODY than this;

(Eph 1:22)  ... the head over all things to the church,

(Eph 1:23)  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

(Rom 12:5)  So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

One Body.

He is my head. We are His Body.

Where HE is, I AM. He doesn't have a decapitated body.

(Joh 14:3)  ... where I am, there ye may be also.

I AM One with Him;

(Joh 17:23)  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
This is the very next thing any of us will experience;

(1Jn 3:2)  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

That should answer your question, thank you for asking :)

In Romans 7 Paul is showing us the difference what living under the law in the flesh is like

That is not what it says.  Please read it again.  It says very clearly that Paul struggled with his worldly desires but that Jesus saved him.  That's how it is for all of us.  Please read Romans 5.

If Paul clearly was still struggling with worldly desires, then I will have to assume he is

contradicting himself by what he said in Galatians 5, 24-25

And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

If we live by the Spirit,  let us also walk by the Spirit.


Galatians 6,  14
But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,

by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Paul said in Gal. 5:5,
"For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith."

The righteousness given to us by God is not our own. We are waiting for our own righteousness, which will be fulfilled at the resurrection. Our righteousness while living on this earth is granted by FAITH.

Gal. 5:16-17
"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

Walking in the Spirit is keeping our faith in Christ. The battle between the flesh and the Spirit is Satan fighting our faith, he wants us to give up. Our faith allows the Holy Spirit to fight this battle for us. It is only by our faith that the Holy Spirit overcomes in us and makes us more that conquerers. No faith, no victory!

The flesh will continuously fall short (sin), but we are justified by faith. When we start a pattern of sin, begin to practice the same sin over and over again, this brings the chastening of the Lord.

Heb. 12:6-7
"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

Every child of God will receive chasting. It comes from disobeying God, in other words, we all continue to sin in some form or fashion. It's the sin nature that causes us to fall short.

Heb. 12:8
"But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

This is absolute proof of being a child of God, when God corrects you. I know without any doubt whatsoever that I'm saved. I've stepped out in the world and began to practice sin, and you better believe I stepped back in line when God finished with me. We are all chastened by God, not "if" we step out of line, but "when." None of us are sinless nor can we be while living in this body of sin.

Until the resurrection we are sinners on this earth, but by faith in Christ we are counted righteous by God. If you are truly saved, you will hate sin, and feel remorse when you do it. Sin is what nailed our Lord to that Cross.

if the apostles were teaching salvation thru the blood/death/resurrection in Matt-John, why didn't you point that out to grams and list a few verses showing that they did?
Not counting the entire chapters devoted to telling the story the death and resurrection?  Here's a few...

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. (John 12:24)

He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; (Matt 13:37)

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (Jhn 10:17-18)

And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and [of] the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. (Mark 8:31)

You seem to think this will be hard to find in the gospels.  Do you need some help to understand what you read?  ::whistle::  ::hug::

End Times Forum / Re: 7 periods:
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Yesterday at 04:06:41 PM »
Then, do you still think the churches in Asia are metaphors for 7 different dispensations?

Dispensations - I mean the word is in the Bible.  Oikonomia is the Greek word.  It refers to the management of a household.  Oikos = house.  Nomos = law.

I'm told that dispensations are eras during which God dealt differently with people.  Different "house rules" for different times.  But I'm also told that God is immutable - He doesn't change.  There's conflict between those two ideas... maybe you have some idea how to resolve it?

So far, I believe that God doesn't change - this seems to be explicit in the Bible ("yesterday, today and for ever").  I believe it to the exclusion of the idea that God changes the "house rules" from time to time.

It seems to me that in those verses that speak of dispensations, we have a case of one author (Paul) using an obscure, funky Greek word, and everyone has a problem getting the meaning.  I think Paul was primarily talking about his own authority - the fact that God had trusted Paul to engage in "management" of the church.  I would translate the word as "management."

1Co 9:17-19 KJV (bold = my changes)
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, management is committed unto me. 18 What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. 19 For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

Col 1:24b-25 KJV  (bold = my changes)
...The church, 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to God's management, which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Eph 3:1-2 KJV  (I moved some of the words around, but... same words mostly)
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 ye might have heard of the management  which is given me to you-ward, by the grace of God.

There are only 4 times this word is used in the Bible, and this last one seems to be the only one that would hint at anything more than "Paul, church manager."

Eph 1:9-10 KJV
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the management of the end times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

What do you think?  If 'dispensations' don't refer to different eras or eons where God changes up the rules, then what does it mean?

Catholic Forum / Re: Pope to meet Congress
« Last post by Catholica on Yesterday at 03:25:18 PM »
This discussion is not about who God's chosen people are, but who the saved are.
There is no plan of salvation for Jews and similarly to a gentile...Jews need to become Christians first before salvation becomes within their grasp.
The same goes for Muslims, who in principal are nothing else by gentiles with an ungodly theology.

Sounds like a plan of salvation to me... That's exactly what the Catholic Church says about Jews.  And Muslims.  And everyone.
End Times Forum / Re: Mark of the beast.
« Last post by Star of David on Yesterday at 03:16:24 PM »
In the next day or two, I'll be attaching copies of this editorial in my latest letter (about 5 - 9 times per year) addressed to the embassies of Israel, P.L.O. -- Delegation to the United States, Jordan, Syria (New York City Mission), Lebanon, Egypt, & Saudi Arabia with cc: to President Obama, Secretary of State Kerry, Embassy of Russia, Star Tribune (out of Minneapolis, MN), Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, US News & World Report, The Washington Post, & St. Louis Post-Dispatch.  (I am sending a copy to Will & Kate as I am also attaching a copy of the "Thank You' card that I received a couple of weeks ago from the Royals' correspondence secretary in response to the 'Congratulations' that I sent to them 'across the pond' on the birth of Princess Charlotte.)

WOW... I bet they can't wait to hear from you... ::whistle::

You know, you bring up a good point... IF you were one of the Two Witnesses... You would not being going around telling everyone now as you are, and you would not need to in that terrible day.  You are making it about you and they won't.

They are appointed and anointed for that time, and will come on the scene at that time. They would not be going about introducing themselves, and making claims without the Power endowed them by Jesus Christ to be a witness.  Elijah did not go around saying to people BEFORE he was empowered... "I am a Prophet, I am a Prophet".  He didn't. None of God's Prophets did that. And the Two Witnesses won't either.

So, unless you can shut up the rain and send plagues right now...  umm...  you ain't.   ::frown::

Oh, if it wasn't for the ability to maintain 'relative' anonymity on an Internet discussion board such as this one, I wouldn't even begin to share my beliefs in a public forum as I have been doing here. Thus far, this comes very easy for me to do and still be able to live my outwardly-appearing humdrum life, as I like to call it.

And as far as my letter-writing effort, those who have been receiving my letters on the East Coast since late 1991 (with much turnover in staff personnel during that time), I am quite sure, have long realized by now, "What more can such a chosen person do in today's world comprised of almost entirely non-astronomers?"

In my recent letters, I have often included various amusing experiences of mine to keep these diplomats and their staffs entertained until they can (hopefully) restart the Mideast peace process.

Oh, as far as the Two Witnesses' ability to "shut up the rain and send plagues"?  Get a grip, kensington. No prophet can ever actually do that. These attributes of the Two Witnesses as mentioned in Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation, as I have stated before, simply means that they will fulfill God's will for their lives in successfully conducting their worldwide ministry during the years leading up to the day of Christ's return to earth (though it does not automatically mean that I'll live to see that day) and that no person and no thing will stop them from doing this for God.

I am here to tell you that personally, kensington.

End Times Forum / Re: Mark of the beast.
« Last post by Star of David on Yesterday at 03:04:43 PM »
Well that just goes to show you how wrong you are Star of David...  Because I never ONCE said I thought we would be caught up while the rest of you wallow in misery.  Not once.

I firmly believe that ALL believers will go... and if you are one, how would you be left?

And as a matter of fact... WHY would one of the 2 true witnesses care when the Rapture was or who was going in it?  Their ordained purpose would be to be here on earth... regardless of who goes and when it happens.  And they wouldn't resent any of the rest of us for going.

A true Prophet would know that.

As I have opined before, kensington, THIS true prophet takes it as a 'given' that there will never be a Rapture.

But I can understand how many millions of Christians have been hoodwinked into believing in such an arcane belief as they have been woefully misled by self-appointed "experts" on End Times prophecy, including myself up until the end of 1990.

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