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General Discussion Forum / Re: In-Law Advice
« Last post by grams on Today at 04:59:51 AM »

 Can you pay for a exterminator, if so ask your husband to please do this.
  If not, please do not eat any thing over there.

Say you just do not feel well !    And when you think of eating you all most feel like  , your going to   [  t. up.  ] 

If not that.   Then just say you are not hungry.
Don't even drink any thing. 

Talk to your husband !   
Theology Forum / Re: Salvation is by???
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 04:31:49 AM »
Phil: Who was it Paul preached to in Corinth?  Was it not Jews at first and then the Gentiles?  And he wrote that there he gave "demonstration of the Holy Spirit and power." Not a reading - a DEMONSTRATION.  TO gentiles. 

There is nothing in scripture that says we should not be doing the same thing today.
Theology Forum / Re: The Folded Up Face Cloth
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 04:25:57 AM »
I read once, several years ago, that the commonly held belief about the folded linen napkin was that if it was neatly folded that it meant the person to whom it belonged was going to return. And return Jesus did.

In no way am I disagreeing with Dave W's post. This is just another point of view to consider.

I think that was the Greek and Roman tradition - which was different than the Jewish tradition.
Theology Forum / Re: Clean and unclean...
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 04:23:34 AM »
Good question SM - it is always good to check something out if it "bugs" you ........ ::smile::
You do know that there are 3-4 more lists of spiritual gifts, right?
Just remember "12-12-4-4."

Romans 12
1 Cor 12 (with 2 separate lists)
Eph 4
1 Pet 4

(with many thanks to Chuck Swindol for that abbreviation)
Theology Forum / Re: Is Jesus God
« Last post by JohnDB on Today at 04:17:25 AM »
John 1:3
Nothing was made without Jesus.

Collossians 1:16. Jesus made everything.

IE.....Jesus is God.  Not a god but The God.


A few of my favorite warning verses written to the churches demonstrating the conditionality of our salvation:

IF you patiently continue in going good, God will give you eternal life, glory, honor, etc. … Rom 2:7-11
IF you are self-seeking, disobedient, obey unrighteousness, God will give you His wrath … Rom 2:7-11
IF you are a slave of obedience, this leads to righteousness … Rom 6:16
IF you are a slave of sin, this leads to (eternal) death … Rom 6:16
IF you (by the Spirit) put to death the deeds of the body, you will live … Rom 8:13
IF you live according to the flesh, you will die … Rom 8:13
IF you are being led by the Spirit of God, you are a son of God … Rom:14
IF you continue in unrighteous (practicing sin), you will not inherit the kingdom of God … 1 Cor 6:9-10
IF you hold fast that word (the gospel) which was preached to you, you are saved … 1 Cor 15:1-2
IF you are in the faith, or disqualified, is determined by testing and examining yourself … 2 Cor 13:5
IF you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh (you will abstain from sin) … Gal 5:16
IF you practice the works of the flesh (sin), you will not inherit the kingdom of God … Gal 5:19-21
IF you have (not) crucified the flesh with its passions and desires, you do (not) belong to Christ … Gal 5:24
IF you sow to the Spirit, you will of the Spirit reap everlasting life, if you do not lose heart … Gal 6:7-9
IF you sow to your flesh, you will reap corruption (do not be deceived, God is not mocked) … Gal 6:7-9
IF you are practicing sin, you have no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God … Eph 5:3-5
IF you are a son of disobedience, let no one deceive you: the wrath of God will come upon you … Eph 5:6
IF you walk as a child of light (exhibiting fruit of the Spirit), you will be acceptable to the Lord … Eph 5:8-10
IF you are holy & without blemish, you will be part of Jesus’ glorious church w/o spot or wrinkle … Eph 5:27
IF you continue in the faith (steadfast), Jesus will present you holy, blameless, above reproach … Col 1:22-23
IF you do not put to death (crucify) your earthly nature, you are a son of disobedience … Col. 3:5-10
IF you do not put to death (crucify) your earthly nature, the wrath of God will come upon you … Col. 3:5-10
IF you hold the beginning of your confidence steadfast, you have become a partaker of Christ … Heb 3:14
IF you obey Jesus, He is the author of your eternal salvation … Heb 5:9
IF you come boldly to the throne of grace (IMO in repentance), you may obtain mercy and grace … Heb 4:16
IF you have partaken of the Holy Spirit and fall away, you can never be renewed to repentance … Heb 6:4-8
IF you have partaken of the Holy Spirit and fall away, your end will be rejection and burning … Heb 6:4-8
IF you do not pursue and possess holiness, you will not see the Lord … Heb 12:14
IF you are tempted and your desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, bringing forth death … James 1:14-15
IF you walk in the light as Jesus is in the light, His blood will cleanse you from all sin … 1 John 1:7
IF you confess your sins, Jesus is faithful and just to forgive you of your sins … 1 John 1:7
IF you confess your sins, Jesus is faithful and just to cleanse you from all unrighteousness … 1 John 1:7
IF you sin, you have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous … 1 John 2:1
IF you keep God’s commandments, you abide in Him, and He abides in you … 1 John 3:24
IF you overcome, Jesus will give you the tree of life to eat from … Rev 2:7
IF you overcome, you will not be hurt by the second death … Rev 2:11
IF you overcome, Jesus will give you some of the hidden manna to eat … Rev 2:17
IF you overcome, Jesus will give you power over the nations, and the morning star … Rev 2:26-28
IF you overcome, you will be clothed in white garments … Rev 3:5
IF you overcome, your name will not be blotted out from the Book of Life … Rev 3:5
IF you overcome, Jesus will confess your name before His Father and before His angels … Rev 3:5
IF you overcome, Jesus will make you a pillar in the temple of His God … Rev 3:12
IF you are lukewarm, you are a spiritual mess, and Jesus will vomit you out of His mouth … Rev 3:16
IF you overcome, as Jesus overcame, He will grant you to sit with Him on His throne … Rev 3:21
IF you keep the commandments of God and believe in Jesus, the dragon will make war with you … Rev 12:17
IF you overcome, you shall inherit all things, Jesus will be your God, you will be His son … Rev 21:7-8
IF you do not overcome from being a sinner, you will have your part in the lake of fire … Rev 21:7-8
IF you are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, you will be able to enter the New Jerusalem … Rev 21:27
IF you do Jesus’ commandments, you will have the right to the tree of life … Rev 22:14-15
IF you do Jesus’ commandments, you may enter through the gates into the City … Rev 22:14-15

Sorry, nothing about receiving God's initial free gift of grace-faith, and then living happily ever after.
I'm still looking for a verse which says this free gift lasts forever, i.e. until our deaths.
Actually, it's just the opposite ... our faith must last forever, i.e. until our deaths.
Beyond that, we really need to determine what the NT term "in the faith" really means.
IMO, it does not simply mean "one who is born again".

Note: we also really need to determine what we need to overcome.
IMO ... we need to overcome sin, the flesh, and the Devil ... Jesus did.
That is, IF we desire to be co-heirs with Christ.
On a more positive note, the indwelling Holy Spirit will be your Helper in this. Praise God.

John, I will address this post, if you will answer me back.  Most of the time, you refuse to answer my post to you.  If I am going to spend my time answering you, will you answer my post to you?
So, believe it or not, everyone ... man's free will is in control.
I shall refrain from saying ... Man's free will is King!

Man's free will? Man's will is in bondage to the devil, and sin.  Even if it were not, it is far from being king! That's blasphemy, and spoken in ignorance of the scriptures.  You need to learn about who will is King! A few words from the late A.W.Pink.

The sovereignty of God may be defined as the exercise of His supremacy—(see Web Site on Supremacy). Being infinitely elevated above the highest creature, He is the Most High, Lord of heaven and earth. Subject to none, influenced by none, absolutely independent; God does as He pleases, only as He pleases always as He pleases. None can thwart Him, none can hinder Him. So His own Word expressly declares:

Isaiah 46:10

"My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure".

(Daniel 4:35)

"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand".

Divine sovereignty means that God is God in fact, as well as in name, that He is on the Throne of the universe, directing all things, working all things "after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11).

(Ps. 135:6)

"Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did He in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places".

Yes, dear reader, such is the imperial Potentate revealed in Holy Writ.  Unrivalled in majesty, unlimited in power, unaffected by anything outside Himself. But we are living in a day when even the most "orthodox" seem afraid to admit the proper Godhood of God. They say that to press excludes human responsibility; whereas human responsibility is based upon Divine sovereignty, and is the product of it.

(Psalm 115:3)

"But our God is in the heavens: He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased".

He sovereignly chose to place each of His creatures on that particular footing which seemed good in His sight. He created angels: some He placed on a conditional footing, others He gave an immutable standing before Him (1 Tim. 5:21), making Christ their head (Col. 2:10). Let it not be overlooked that the angels which sinned (2 Pet. 2:5),. were as much His creatures as the angels that sinned not. Yet God foresaw they would fall, nevertheless He placed them on a mutable creature, conditional footing, and suffered them to fall though He was not the Author of their sin.

So too, God sovereignly placed Adam in the garden of Eden upon a conditional footing. Had He so pleased, He could have placed him upon an unconditional footing; He could have placed him on a footing as firm as that occupied by the unfallen angels, He could have placed him upon a footing as sure and as immutable as that which His saints have in Christ.  But, instead, He chose to set him in Eden on the basis of creature responsibility, so that he stood or fell according as he measured or failed to measure up to his responsibility obedience to his Maker. Adam stood accountable to God by the law which his Creator had given him. Here was responsibility, unimpaired responsibility, tested out under the most favorable conditions.

Now God did not place Adam upon a footing of conditional, creature responsibility, because it was right He should so place him. No, it was right because God did it. God did not even give creatures being because it was right for Him to do so, i. e., because He was under any obligations to create; but it was right because He did so. God is sovereign. His will is supreme. So far from God being under any law of "right," He is a law unto Himself, so that whatsoever He does is right. And woe be to the rebel that calls His sovereignty into question:

(Isaiah 45:9)

"Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker. Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the thing say to Him that fashioned it, What makest Thou?"

Again; the Lord God sovereignly placed Israel upon a conditional footing. The 19th, 20th and 24th chapters of Exodus afford a clear and full proof of this. They were placed under a covenant of works. God gave to them certain laws, and made national blessing for them depend upon their observance of His statutes. But Israel were stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart. They rebelled against Jehovah, forsook His law, turned unto false gods, apostatized. In consequence, Divine judgment fell upon them, they were delivered into the hands of their enemies, dispersed abroad throughout the earth, and remain under the heavy frown of God’s displeasure to this day.

It was God in the exercise of His high sovereignty that placed Satan and his angels, Adam, Israel, in their respective responsible positions. But so far from His sovereignty taking away responsibility from the creature, it was by the exercise thereof that He placed them on this conditional footing, under such responsibilities as He thought proper; by virtue of which sovereignty, He is seen to be God over all. Thus, there is perfect harmony between the sovereignty of God and the responsibility of the creature. Many have most foolishly said that it is quite impossible to show where Divine sovereignty ends and creature accountability begins. Here is where creature responsibility begins: in the sovereign ordination of the Creator. As to His sovereignty, there is not and never will be any "end" to it!
Christian Marriage Forum / Re: Husband leaves me a 2nd time
« Last post by counsellorb on Today at 02:40:04 AM »
Hi there! I hope by now my sister has seen some light in the future of her marriage. At this time I want to encourage her to keep on praying. Prayer is your greatest weapon against the plans of the devil at this time. Try to develop a very close relationship with the Lord as He is the only one who can guide you in your marriage. A close relationship with the Lord will help you whether your husband return or not. God knows all about you and your marriage and when you stay close to Him he will give you insights about yourself,your husband and your marriage. Get intimate with God, he will give you the strength you need to make it each day.
Your husband needs to be honest to you by sharing his true feelings with you. If he is unhappy about something he needs to find a way to communicate it so that you can make any necessary adjustment in the marriage. In the mean time continue to pray; pray for him that God will help him to be the husband of Ephesians 6.

I have a more important question, one that will answer this once and for all.  Who is the party that is responsible for keeping us in Christ.  Is it God or is it ourselves?  If we are the responsible party, like you claim, then you are absolutely right.  If we waver in that responsibility, then our salvation is in danger of being lost.  If God is the responsibility, then we can rest in His assurance because we know He will never waver.  However this question is answered will answer the question of eternal security.

So what does the bible say concerning this question?  Let's look.

2 Cor 1:21-22 21 Now it is God who makes both us and you to stand firm in Christ. He annointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing  what is to come. 

Who is the responsible party?   God is.
Who annoints us ?  God does.
Who owns us ?  God does.
Who set his seal on us?  God does.
Who puts his Spirit in us?  God does.
What is the Spirit's application? A deposit.
What does the deposit's function?  To guarantee what is to come.
Who makes the guarantee? God does.

How long does the seal lasts?  Until the day of redemption.  Eph 4:30

So......  My salvation is secure not because of how I act or what I do, my salvation is secure because it is based on Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and on the fact that I am sealed with His Spirit.  And God guarantees to bring me to the day of redemption.

So if this is true, then why all the warnings?  Because God wants whats best for us.  Our sins affect us in many different ways, all of them negative, both in this life and the one to come.  Just because Jesus paid for all of our sins on the cross, does not mean that our sins can't affect us.  It can affect our families.  It can destroy our testimony, and it can affect our relationship with God. 

But just because we allow our sins to take us out of fellowship with God, does not mean that God revokes our seal of ownership.  He is still faithful.

2 Tim 2:13  if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Joshua David

What a breath of fresh air!  God bless you!

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