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Theology Forum / Re: Questioning the Elders
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 08:57:08 AM »
Viktir, If you are serious about wanting to understand the bible and what is going on with your in-laws' congregation, then get a copy of Derek Prince's "Foundation Series." Pay close attention to the section marked "Purposes of Pentecost."
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Theology Forum / Re: Is it Sunday or Sundae?
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 08:53:02 AM »
The SDA used to be listed in the early editions of "Kingdom of the Cults" book by Walter Martin.  For a long time it was a classic personality cult around Ellen White. But since much of the denomination has distanced themselves from her and her writings, (at least a little) they are no longer listed as such.

But there are still old line conservatives that the cult status could still apply to IMO.
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Theology Forum / Re: Questioning the Elders
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 08:50:40 AM »
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I have always considered myself a man of faith. Approximately a month ago, I realized that I was kidding myself and have refocused my attention to learning the scripture and my clarity on some issues has made itself achingly known. While I know I'm ill-prepared,

after a month (and ill prepared) you want to evangelize them?  Do they attempt to evangelize you?

maybe your clarity is cloudier than you think?

what does your wife think about it?  are the 2 of you of the same religion, denom, beliefs?

how much time do you spend around them normally?

from the info given in your posts I'd say cool it.  Pray for them if you like but don't say anything.  After just a month you'd probably do more harm than good.

Just going to a service where people raise their hands in praise and openly praise / pray is enough to freak many people out.  Even those who go to a  church on a regular basis.  I don't know any Catholics who would be comfortable with it. A number of denoms would be uncomfortable.






However it is entirely Biblical.
I was bought up in a very formal high church where the Holy Spirit was called the 'Holy Ghost' and barely even mentioned.
However, when an adult I actively sought out churches where God was moving and where The Holy Spirit was working. It can be weird for those who arent used to it, but its nothing that wasn't in evidence in Acts and in countless churches today all over the world.  Its signs that the Holy Spirit is at work and I love that.
By the way I am not pentecostal, and have never gone to a pentecostal church. I don't think there is one anywhere near us.
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Theology Forum / Re: Questioning the Elders
« Last post by MeMyself on Today at 08:48:01 AM »
I suggest getting acquainted with Romans 14 OP, and also what "fruits" are that will be evident in true believers.  It may not be the evidence you are looking for, but its exactly what God brings forth, no matter how they choose to worship!

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control...if these are evident in their lives, you need to show them the grace of Romans 14.
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Theology Forum / Re: Questioning the Elders
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 08:43:06 AM »
This may rub some wrong but I'll say it anyway. Now the Bible says you will know them by their fruits. This is not judging, it's plain Bible.
While I don't know your exact situation, I do have an idea. I have dear friends from 2 separate Pentecostal churches. I have attended both of these churches on occasion and know many who are members. One preaches the word of God and has much fruit that I have seen for many years. The other is just the opposite. I have noticed the same characteristics as you.
In answer to your question, I have shared my testimony in detail as to how the Lord saved me. I never argue with these friends about their theology but tell them every time someone is saved in our church. I do my best, as pitiful as it may be to set an example of bearing fruit for our Lord.
We have no power within ourselves whatsoever to change anyone. But through us the Holy Spirit can do all things, even the seemingly impossible.
I see concern in your post. I share that same concern for my friends.

Thank you for understanding and shedding some light. I am aware that my use of the language is black and white. Likewise, I'm aware that I don't know all that I need to know yet. I do know that my only aspiration is to save them all.

Like I said in the previous post, though I do not want to "tell all" about my in-laws and why I feel the way I do, I do have my reasons. First and foremost, all three of their sons proudly worship Satan! At first I thought to go after the boys directly, but I realized that the issue has to start from the top. There must be absolutely no teaching about parenting or married life in their church. To me that seems ridiculous. Two of the three main functions in life, marry and have children and their church has not equipped them with enough (if any) wisdom on the topic. That is the most glaringly obvious offense their church has done them.

To those who believe I'm simply hating on the Pentecostals, I did not know what they were when I had these feelings. I only knew that whatever it was it wasn't working. I asked them if I could accompany them to church and my Mother in law immediately started warning me, as though she knows her church is, at the very least, weird. She told me she has seen people walk out of the service before, so I know it's an EXTREME form of charismatic Pentecostal. I plan to attend this Sunday and try hard to keep my mouth shut when they all start babbling incoherently.

BTW I'm not totally ignorant as to the scripture. God said speaking in tongues should be done in small groups, with a translator and someone wit the gift of discernment is also recommended. It is no meant to be a feel good free for all experience, rather, something that you do more often than not in private, in prayer and MOST definitely NOT to go untranslated and only act as a BRAG about how close to God you are.
 

He didnt say that tongues is only for small groups, he said for the assembly IE the church. 

So you think that people praying in tongues is 'bragging'???Wow, so is using the other gifts 'bragging' as well? Are you 'bragging' if you give a prophecy?  or heal someone?   

How about you pray for their sons and pray for the family and let God speak to them.

I know lots of children of strong Christian parents who have gone off course. Many will return later on. Its no indication that the parents are at fault.
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Though there may be different types of depression, it can still be brought on by a "sin". Anything that goes wrong with you is the result of some type of stress, which is avoidable if we know how, almost always found in the Bible. And I use the word "almost" lightly.

Anything?  Really?  Do you think that children who get cancer have been sinning? Do you think heart disease that runs in families is  inherited "sin?"

 My niece's schizophrenia was the result of a brain injury from an accident, yet people have tried to tell her she needs an exorcism and that she is possessed by demons.  She can be having a full blown psychotic episode and one tiny pill can settle down the flood of excess hormones in her brain and make her perfectly normal again.  Some demon.

When people suffer mental or physical illness they should have our sympathy, not our judgment.
No, you misunderstood me. Some families are more susceptible to certain kinds of diseases but it's the stress that causes it. The brain injury was caused because it was stressed too much. Think about it.

Don't think that I have judged anyone. I'm just saying that anything is preventable if we eliminate the stress. We may not see it coming and may not know we could have avoided it.



 Many cases of depression happen because of terrible things done to us by others. That not stress.

Yup.  Circumstantial depression is anger turned inward.
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Theology Forum / Re: Questioning the Elders
« Last post by skeeter on Today at 08:38:20 AM »
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I have always considered myself a man of faith. Approximately a month ago, I realized that I was kidding myself and have refocused my attention to learning the scripture and my clarity on some issues has made itself achingly known. While I know I'm ill-prepared,

after a month (and ill prepared) you want to evangelize them?  Do they attempt to evangelize you?

maybe your clarity is cloudier than you think?

what does your wife think about it?  are the 2 of you of the same religion, denom, beliefs?

how much time do you spend around them normally?

from the info given in your posts I'd say cool it.  Pray for them if you like but don't say anything.  After just a month you'd probably do more harm than good.

Just going to a service where people raise their hands in praise and openly praise / pray is enough to freak many people out.  Even those who go to a  church on a regular basis.  I don't know any Catholics who would be comfortable with it. A number of denoms would be uncomfortable.


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Catholic Forum / Re: Time for true identity
« Last post by Catholica on Today at 08:36:08 AM »
Being led into all truth means two things: one is that they have Truth and only Truth now, and second, that more Truth is to come in the future.  And future Truth is not newly revealed Truth, but truth that could be deduced from revealed Truth by our made-in-God's-likeness faculty of Reason.
What does 'made-in-God's-likeness faculty of Reason' mean?  why is reason capitalized? 
One of the faculties of the human soul which are in the image and likeness of God is our faculty of reason.
I think your new truth, future truth has been debunked already.
this 'led into all truth (by all truth, anything all truth) is a standard 'fall back to' Catholic  phrase. A talking point...

your 'faculty of reason' (small r) is going into the 'talking point' bin also.

Sorry, but I have no idea what any of that means.   Including what you mean when you say 'my' new truth, future truth has been 'debunked'.  Could you post a link?  And maybe an explanation of exactly what has been debunked?  Or is that too much to ask?

As for the rest of your post, I'm not going to respond, as it is opinions and rhetorical questions, no offense intended.
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They can be stressful, though.

It seems stress can be like rain.  Some stress is needed to motivate us.  Some rain is needed to make plants grow.  Too much stress, and we can be overwhelmed.  Too much rain can be destructive.
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Theology Forum / Re: Questioning the Elders
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 08:35:17 AM »
If there was evidence of anything good happening in their life, do you think I would feel this way? I came here for advice. Not to be shouted down.

Encouraging the entire congregation to speak in tongues is an insult to the gift itself and to all the other gifts which go by the wayside, such as discernment and translation!

Any pastor who allows this behavior to creep into his flock is asleep at the wheel and THAT is not good enough for people I love. I will not be satisfied to say "Oh well, I think they love God."


 If they are Gods children, and you have said nothing to make us think they arent,  then pray for them and leave them to God. They dont need evangelizing just because you dont approve of their church. 
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