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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Clinton Cash
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 07:51:40 PM »
I'm watching this extensive pre-view of the movie right now. How anyone can watch this, and still vote for her - I have no words...
http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/


They just opened Hillary's America at a local theater this weekend.... will be running all week and i plan to go
to show support for them showing a movie that is anti-Hillary.....


Rella, my mom just texted me saying, "Run, don't walk to see Hillary's America!"  My parents went this afternoon.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Clinton Cash
« Last post by Rella on Today at 07:43:42 PM »
I'm watching this extensive pre-view of the movie right now. How anyone can watch this, and still vote for her - I have no words...
http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/


They just opened Hillary's America at a local theater this weekend.... will be running all week and i plan to go
to show support for them showing a movie that is anti-Hillary.....
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Theology Forum / Re: The epistle of Paul to the Galatians.
« Last post by scalpelsurgeon on Today at 07:42:17 PM »
I was referring to 1 Corinthians 9:21, but I have decided to drop that argument in favour of a new one that has to do with the same verses:

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21.

Normally my ministry is to those who are without law so I become as those who are without law while trying to convince them that if they are in Christ they will obey the law because of the love of God shed abroad in their hearts through faith in Christ, thus convicting them of their lack of obedience by showing them that their lack of obedience places them outside of Christ.

And I have combatted some of your teachings because, in the letter, they are contrary to what I am trying to get across to them.

But now I will change tacks and attempt to minister to you, SwordMr.

I will become as one under the law for a brief moment (as in ministering to them I have been under the law to Christ, in that I have sought to be obedient to it, in my own heart), to show what it means to be "under the law of Christ", that is, to be focused on the letter of the law of Christ.

The law of Christ would be the moral judgments that Christ has set forth in the New Testament, especially the moral judgments that have been spoken by Him.

By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20b), so the law of Christ would by nature be Christ's statements as to the definition of sin: that is, the New Testament defintion for sin is what we would say is the law of Christ.

This would include:

1)  Being angry with your brother without a cause (Matthew 5:21-22) i.e. calling your brother an idiot ("Raca") or saying, "You fool" to anyone will put you in danger of the council or of hell fire.

2) If you lust after a woman you have already committed adultery with her, and masturbation is included in this, as Jesus says to cut off your right hand if you think it is causing you to sin (Matthew 5:27-30)

3) Divorce is out of the question (Matthew 27:31-32)

4) A man must have perfect integrity and when he says "Yes" or "No" it must always be to the outcome spoken (Matthew  5:33-38, James 5:12) Anything else is from evil, and may result in eternal condemnation under the law.

5) A man must always turn the other cheek,, go twice as far as anyone forces him to go, give to everyone that asks of him and not turn away from anyone who wants to borrow from him: if anyone sues him and takes away his cloak, he must give him his coat also; and also if anyone takes away his goods he is not to ask for them back.  (Matthew 5:38-42, Luke 6:30)

6) A man must love his enemies and pray for those who persecute him, bless those who curse him, loving those who do not love him: and he must be perfect in all of these things (Matthew 5:43-48)

7) One must not be a hypocrite, doing things in order to obtain glory from men (Matthew 6:1-4, 5-6, 16-18) .

8) One must enter into his closet to pray (Matthew 6:5-13) and not stand in the corners of the streets or in the synagogues (or churches) when praying.

9) One must forgive everyone that has done him wrong (Matthew 6:12,14)

10) There must be times of fasting, and these must be in secret (Matthew 6:16-18)

11) One must not lay up for himself earthly treasures (Matthew 6:19-34)

12) One must never be worried about anything (Matthew 6:24-34)

13) One must never judge another human being (Matthew 7:1-6)

14) All of these things are possible through prayer (Matthew 7:7-11)

15) One must do unto others as he would have them do unto him: for this is the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12)

16) One must not be a wolf-in-sheep's clothing, going into the ministry to bless himself rather than the flock of God (Matthew 7:15-20).

17) One must always bear good fruit (Matthew 7:16-23).

18) These principles (the law of Christ, as He gave it in the Sermon on the Mount) are the foundation on which a man is to build his entire building (Matthew 7:24-27).  They are qualified by Christ's statement in the middle of this message (the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7), Be ye therefore perfect, as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Going to the epistles:

19) Fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, is not to be even named among the saints (Ephesians 5:3).
 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, but thanksgiving must be the norm.  No whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Ephesians 5:4-5).

20) A man mut pust to death his members: fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscience, and covetousness, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)  Because of such things the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience (Colossians 3:6)

In addition:

21) Whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23b).

22) If we know the good we ought to do and don't do it, it is sin (James 4:17).

So I am in agreement with you, SwordMaster, that in order to enter heaven we must obey perfectly the law of Christ, which I have defined not as extensively as possible above;

And I want to say also that when Paul the apostle speaks of the works of the law in Galatians 3:10, scripture does not declare that he is only speaking of the law of Moses, and therefore there is a good probability that he includes the works of the law of Christ (if you are focused on it as a requirement, not if you simply obey out of faith and love):

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Therefore if you have failed to keep any of the principles mentioned above, (as one who is under the law to Christ) you are under the curse, because you are of the works of the law and have not continued in all of them perfectly.

Because we are talking about the principles of law versus grace here, SwordMr., and your take on things that there are two laws, the law of Moses and the law of Christ, while it may have validity, has a way of taking away from the contrast between law and grace.

Do you obey?



By this post you have completely shown that you have no idea what the law of Christ is.



The law of Christ or the law of the Spirit of Life,....is to be led by the Spirit and walk in obedience by the Spirit.

By so doing you will fulfill the commandments of God  or the summed up commandments of loving God and

your neighbor as yourself.



The law of Christ or the law of the Spirit of life or the law of liberty in Christ  is not a set of do's and don'ts.

Until man understands this, then he will clearly see what real works are  and man's own works are.

So, the law of Christ is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ...I'll agree with that.

Therefore I ask, in what way are we under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?

(See Romans 6:14 for my answer).

Seeing it is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus that sets us free from the law of sin and death?

Pay attention to the spirit of what is being said here and not necessarily the letter...

Freedom versus being under a law...

By your definition of the law of Christ I am in agreement, doorknocker, that we fulfill the law of Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Nevertheless I want to ask you what you think of Romans 3:20 as saying that the law defines sin for us (by the law is the knowledge of sin).

Is SwordMaster not being hasty in dismissing the moral teachings of Christ, saying that these teachings are not His law?

Also, SwordMaster, how is it that Paul speaks of it as "the" law, if there is more than one law?

Christ taught His law as the law of God, taking from the law of Moses and bringing it home to the heart.

I can see why you might dismiss His moral teachings as not being His law---it is a Christianity without the Cross.

Also, in loving God and our neighbor as ourself we fulfill every commandment (Romans 13:9-- in the words and if there be any other commandment)---in the practical sense.  If I am under the law then I am in bondage to the letter...if I am under grace then I am free to obey in the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Your thoughts on Trumps Speech
« Last post by Rella on Today at 07:40:28 PM »


like you say a vote for hilgal is a vote against trumpt


It is far more then that according to this...

Benghazi Hero Warns Of Exodus of Special Operators If Hillary Becomes President

http://www.westernjournalism.com/benghazi-hero-warns-of-exodus-of-special-operators-if-hillary-becomes-president/
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Theology Forum / Re: The epistle of Paul to the Galatians.
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 07:03:43 PM »
I was referring to 1 Corinthians 9:21, but I have decided to drop that argument in favour of a new one that has to do with the same verses:

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21.

Normally my ministry is to those who are without law so I become as those who are without law while trying to convince them that if they are in Christ they will obey the law because of the love of God shed abroad in their hearts through faith in Christ, thus convicting them of their lack of obedience by showing them that their lack of obedience places them outside of Christ.

And I have combatted some of your teachings because, in the letter, they are contrary to what I am trying to get across to them.

But now I will change tacks and attempt to minister to you, SwordMr.

I will become as one under the law for a brief moment (as in ministering to them I have been under the law to Christ, in that I have sought to be obedient to it, in my own heart), to show what it means to be "under the law of Christ", that is, to be focused on the letter of the law of Christ.

The law of Christ would be the moral judgments that Christ has set forth in the New Testament, especially the moral judgments that have been spoken by Him.

By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20b), so the law of Christ would by nature be Christ's statements as to the definition of sin: that is, the New Testament defintion for sin is what we would say is the law of Christ.

This would include:

1)  Being angry with your brother without a cause (Matthew 5:21-22) i.e. calling your brother an idiot ("Raca") or saying, "You fool" to anyone will put you in danger of the council or of hell fire.

2) If you lust after a woman you have already committed adultery with her, and masturbation is included in this, as Jesus says to cut off your right hand if you think it is causing you to sin (Matthew 5:27-30)

3) Divorce is out of the question (Matthew 27:31-32)

4) A man must have perfect integrity and when he says "Yes" or "No" it must always be to the outcome spoken (Matthew  5:33-38, James 5:12) Anything else is from evil, and may result in eternal condemnation under the law.

5) A man must always turn the other cheek,, go twice as far as anyone forces him to go, give to everyone that asks of him and not turn away from anyone who wants to borrow from him: if anyone sues him and takes away his cloak, he must give him his coat also; and also if anyone takes away his goods he is not to ask for them back.  (Matthew 5:38-42, Luke 6:30)

6) A man must love his enemies and pray for those who persecute him, bless those who curse him, loving those who do not love him: and he must be perfect in all of these things (Matthew 5:43-48)

7) One must not be a hypocrite, doing things in order to obtain glory from men (Matthew 6:1-4, 5-6, 16-18) .

8) One must enter into his closet to pray (Matthew 6:5-13) and not stand in the corners of the streets or in the synagogues (or churches) when praying.

9) One must forgive everyone that has done him wrong (Matthew 6:12,14)

10) There must be times of fasting, and these must be in secret (Matthew 6:16-18)

11) One must not lay up for himself earthly treasures (Matthew 6:19-34)

12) One must never be worried about anything (Matthew 6:24-34)

13) One must never judge another human being (Matthew 7:1-6)

14) All of these things are possible through prayer (Matthew 7:7-11)

15) One must do unto others as he would have them do unto him: for this is the law and the prophets. (Matthew 7:12)

16) One must not be a wolf-in-sheep's clothing, going into the ministry to bless himself rather than the flock of God (Matthew 7:15-20).

17) One must always bear good fruit (Matthew 7:16-23).

18) These principles (the law of Christ, as He gave it in the Sermon on the Mount) are the foundation on which a man is to build his entire building (Matthew 7:24-27).  They are qualified by Christ's statement in the middle of this message (the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7), Be ye therefore perfect, as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Going to the epistles:

19) Fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, is not to be even named among the saints (Ephesians 5:3).
 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, but thanksgiving must be the norm.  No whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Ephesians 5:4-5).

20) A man mut pust to death his members: fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscience, and covetousness, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)  Because of such things the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience (Colossians 3:6)

In addition:

21) Whatsoever is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23b).

22) If we know the good we ought to do and don't do it, it is sin (James 4:17).

So I am in agreement with you, SwordMaster, that in order to enter heaven we must obey perfectly the law of Christ, which I have defined not as extensively as possible above;

And I want to say also that when Paul the apostle speaks of the works of the law in Galatians 3:10, scripture does not declare that he is only speaking of the law of Moses, and therefore there is a good probability that he includes the works of the law of Christ (if you are focused on it as a requirement, not if you simply obey out of faith and love):

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Therefore if you have failed to keep any of the principles mentioned above, (as one who is under the law to Christ) you are under the curse, because you are of the works of the law and have not continued in all of them perfectly.

Because we are talking about the principles of law versus grace here, SwordMr., and your take on things that there are two laws, the law of Moses and the law of Christ, while it may have validity, has a way of taking away from the contrast between law and grace.

Do you obey?



By this post you have completely shown that you have no idea what the law of Christ is.



The law of Christ or the law of the Spirit of Life,....is to be led by the Spirit and walk in obedience by the Spirit.

By so doing you will fulfill the commandments of God  or the summed up commandments of loving God and

your neighbor as yourself.



The law of Christ or the law of the Spirit of life or the law of liberty in Christ  is not a set of do's and don'ts.

Until man understands this, then he will clearly see what real works are  and man's own works are.

 ::thumbup:: ::thumbup:: ::thumbup::

+1


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Theology Forum / Re: The epistle of Paul to the Galatians.
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 07:02:35 PM »
In response to something else:

Anything I do, saying that it is my love that motivated me and not the love of God, I am doing for my own glory.

Anything I do out of the love of Christ, acknowldeging that God's love is behind it, is to God's glory, and He will also give me glory for the obedience.


Negative, that is only in your own mind, not the Scriptures. No where are we told that the idea of doing something on our own (ie: not through motivation of God) is doing it for our own glory. That is false humility straight out of calvinistic doctrine.

You really need to sit down and think about that before posting a rebuttal...


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Theology Forum / Re: The epistle of Paul to the Galatians.
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 06:59:49 PM »
SwordMr.,

It appears to me that you have built an entire theology on two verses, and in one of them you have to change the word "to" to "of" to make it fit the other verse.

Galatians 6:2 does indeed speak of fulfilling the "law of Christ".

However, to build an entire theology around a single verse is simply bad hermeneutics.

In neither verse where I first thought that you were addressing, I demonstrated clearly that there is no words in either the English or Greek amounting to either "to" or "from," so whatever version you are reading (most likely the KJV), it has been grossly mistranslated.

You are incorrect in your surmisings here, SS. I do not build an entire theology surrounding one verse, that is ludicrous. Plainly stated, the Law of Christ is important because it is the covenant law of the New Covenant (covenant law attached to a covenant means that such a covenant is conditional), and therein lies its importance.

If people don't think they have to walk in obedience to the Law of Christ in order to get into heaven, then they won't get into heaven. Only those who are in the New Covenant (Christ) will go to heaven, and the only ones who are in Christ are those who walk in obedience to the Law of Christ...not because I say so, but because that is the way in which God has put it all together.

He chose to work out eternal life through covenant, not me. He has done this all throughout the Scriptures, and the New Covenant is no different. It has covenant law because it is a redemptive covenant...a marriage covenant through which we are made the Bride of Christ.


Blessings!

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Theology Forum / Re: The epistle of Paul to the Galatians.
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 06:49:34 PM »
SS said...

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I was referring to 1 Corinthians 9:21, but I have decided to drop that argument in favour of a new one that has to do with the same verses:

I will answer it anyway...there is no word in I Cor. 9:21 in the Greek that means "to" or "for." The only word in I Cor. 9:21 that are the Dative case, which can mean (depending upon context) either "in," "to," or "with"...is law. The words that are in the Genitive case (meaning either "of" or "from" or implying possession of something) are God and Christ. If the Dative "law" was to be interpreted as "to law" then you might have an argument, but it is not. If God and Christ were to be intended as "from" then you might have an argument, but they are not.

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And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1 Corinthians 9:20-21.

Normally my ministry is to those who are without law so I become as those who are without law while trying to convince them that if they are in Christ they will obey the law because of the love of God shed abroad in their hearts through faith in Christ, thus convicting them of their lack of obedience by showing them that their lack of obedience places them outside of Christ.

And I have combatted some of your teachings because, in the letter, they are contrary to what I am trying to get across to them.

But now I will change tacks and attempt to minister to you, SwordMr.

I will become as one under the law for a brief moment (as in ministering to them I have been under the law to Christ, in that I have sought to be obedient to it, in my own heart), to show what it means to be "under the law of Christ", that is, to be focused on the letter of the law of Christ.

OK...I went as far as I could without going line by line, but it has to stop here, hope that is OK.

First, there is no "law to Christ" and if that is where you are getting your question from regarding turning an "of" into a "to" then you are way off track.

Second, there is no such thing in the Scriptures as "the letter of the law of Christ"...no where. That is one of the differences between the law of Moses (which was written on stone tablets in ordinances, the written code) and the Law of Christ, which is so simple that it does not need to be written down.

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The law of Christ would be the moral judgments that Christ has set forth in the New Testament, especially the moral judgments that have been spoken by Him.

Negative. The law of Christ is given to us both by Christ Himself (John 15:12) and in greater detail by John (I John 3:23-24). Then Paul gives us his take on it in Gal. 6:2, and we also have James' statement on it in Jam. 2:8. Put that all together and we get...

John 15:12
"This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

I John 3:23-24
23   And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as He has commanded us.
24   Whoever keeps God’s commandments abides in Him, and He will abide in him, and by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the Law of Christ.

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.

God did not include (in words) loving Him because when we are obeying the Law of Christ then we are loving Him:

I John 5:3
For this is how we love God, we obey His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome.

I have edited and removed the claims that you make below that are NOT part of the Law of Christ...because they are NOT part of the Law of Christ.


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By the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20b), so the law of Christ would by nature be Christ's statements as to the definition of sin: that is, the New Testament defintion for sin is what we would say is the law of Christ. So I am in agreement with you, SwordMaster, that in order to enter heaven we must obey perfectly the law of Christ, which I have defined not as extensively as possible above;

To correct you here, from the law of the 10 Commandments comes the knowledge of sin, NOT from the Law of Christ. The Law of Christ is not "by nature" come from things that He spoke of unless they fall under the law of love, which most of your previous statements did not. Sin has nothing to do with the Law of Christ, and one does not have to walk in the Law of Christ in perfect obedience - calvinists have a great hang up on this, and it is not stated anywhere in the Scriptures. No one even had to walk in obedience to the Old Covenant law in order to walk with God, I don't know where you guys get that from.

God instituted the laws of atonement so that no one has to walk around on pins and needles and stress themselves out trying not to break the commandments, not too mention that He did not give us any commandments as part of the Old Covenant law (covenant law) that we could not obey. The idea that we have to walk in perfect obedience to God is a misnomer continually propagated by calvinists and other groups that do not understand the purpose for atonement.

As to your last sentence, you have not defined the Law of Christ extensively...I gave the passages that directly tell us what the Law of Christ is: faith in Christ, and loving on others, and in so doing we love on God, fulfilling the greatest commandment. If you want to get "extensive" then I can do that...

Help the old lady across the street...
Cut your widow neighbor's grass for her because she can't do it...
Help the short person in the grocery store get something off the top shelf...
When you see someone drop some money, pick it up and give it back to them, don't pocket it...
If your neighbor needs help working on his car, then help him...

Do I need to elaborate further? Loving on people is helping them when they are in need...bearing their burdens with them...etc. Of course, these are dependent upon your ability...if you don't know anything about car engines, then you can't really help your neighbor work on his car, can you? If you don't have any money then you can't really help the homeless guy on the street with some money for food, can you? That is why the Spirit through Paul says...

Galatians 6:10
So then, as the opportunity presents itself, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

...meaning that if you have the means to help, then you have the opportunity.


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And I want to say also that when Paul the apostle speaks of the works of the law in Galatians 3:10, scripture does not declare that he is only speaking of the law of Moses, and therefore there is a good probability that he includes the works of the law of Christ (if you are focused on it as a requirement, not if you simply obey out of faith and love):

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Well, you can say it, but you are wrong...if you paid attention to the context then you would see that Paul explicitly states: "which are written in the Book of the Law"...the book of the law is a specific reference to the same "book of the law" which is addressed in the OT...

Deuteronomy 31:26
"Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you"...etc. The "book of the law" does NOT include the Law of Christ, and you are grasping at straws here in even assuming that it does.


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Therefore if you have failed to keep any of the principles mentioned above, (as one who is under the law to Christ) you are under the curse, because you are of the works of the law and have not continued in all of them perfectly.

Again, there is not law "to" Christ...that is coming out of your own mind from somewhere, but not out of the Scriptures. Second, I am not under the curse because I am in the New Covenant, subject only to the covenant law of the New Covenant, which is the Law of Christ. Once again, if you understood covenant and how they work, then you would understand that the New Covenant abrogated and replaced the Old Covenant, along with the old law of the Old Covenant, which is what Apollos means here...


Hebrews 8:13
In that He said a new covenant, He abrogates the first, and that which is abrogated and old is closed and disappearing.

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Hebrews 10:9
then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He does away with the first in order to establish the second.

The Old Covenant was temporary, made to last only until He who was to come, would come and reform the religious system...

Hebrews 9:8-12
8  By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing
9  (which is symbolic for the present age). According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper,
10  but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
11  But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)
12  he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

To the point, Paul could not have intended the mixture of the law of Moses and the Law of Christ, because to the child of God today, the law of Moses is dead and gone. It has nothing to do with the Christian, only the Jew who has not yet come to Christ.

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Because we are talking about the principles of law versus grace here, SwordMr., and your take on things that there are two laws, the law of Moses and the law of Christ, while it may have validity, has a way of taking away from the contrast between law and grace.

You are close, but not completely there yet. We are not talking about principles of law, we are talking about covenant law, which is not the same as social law. Covenant law has one purpose, and one purpose only: it is the conditions by which one remains participating in the covenant of which one is a participant. Covenant law is the obligations which the covenant maker assigns to the one he is making the covenant with.

In this case it is God, making His New Covenant to "whosoever will" come to Him on His terms, and His terms are these: believe in Jesus Christ and love on people. Period. The covenant law of the New Covenant, and all those who walk in obedience to this Law of Christ remain abiding in the New Covenant with God in Christ. The Law of Christ does not take away from grace - which is the love of God for us...the Law of Christ, directly speaking of the New Covenant, is the AVENUE of receiving God's grace that is only found in Christ...just as I gave you in one of my last posts, which you apparently ignored.

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Do you obey?

I do...when I have the opportunity, just as the Spirit speaks...

Do you?


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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Asymmetrical warfare
« Last post by TruthScientist on Today at 06:48:37 PM »
this is certainly befitting to our circumstances amo...  verses 16 & 17 would be especially proper for us to adhere to...  Israel's folly and obedience are for our example to be sure...  this would be a great message for churches to hear tomorrow or anytime really...

and I like your spiritual Jerusalem reference...  the walls are the word and adherence to it...  we are under siege today like when titus seiged the city of David nearly 2000 years ago...  the wall is down...  the voice of GOD means nothing anymore... 

Revelation 3:17 (KJV)
17  Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
  I always wondered what was the meaning of this verse... knowing that we are over run with millionaires and billionaires at this time...some certainly are not Christians and others who profess are questionable but HE is the judge of that...  but the problem stated here is simple to understand...  they are poor because they forgot Who the gold and goods belong to...  the earth is HIS...  the love of it is where we fall prey to the enemy and can become undone...
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They were the ones who had forgotten what the Sabbath was made for and for whom, and tried to change its purpose, just like many today.
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