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I think that the only way you will know is if you ask him, either by email or phone, NOT text. 
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Theology Forum / Re: Explain Hebrews 6
« Last post by MoodyMoose on Today at 02:34:51 PM »
I'm not here to sell you anything. I'm simply sharing what scripture says. You'll have to believe as you wish and in the end find out if you were right. As is the case for us all I expect.

With all due respect, I think that is a really wishy-washy approach to the study of the Bible.  Moreover, you are not simply sharing what the scripture says.  You like everyone else here is trying to explain what it means.
I think if you look at the subject box for this thread you'll read: Explain Hebrews 6.  ::smile::

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I'm just so confused because he really seemed to be into even up to the end... but after the breakup I told him I deeply cared and he didn't either reciprocate it or deny he did too, just kept saying he was sorry but he wasn't ready (keep in mind this conversation was all over text). Maybe he didn't want to commit because we'd be forced to separate after graduation?
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January 25 Bobby Jindal at National Prayer Rally: Billy Graham Inspired Me to Convert to Christianity; America Needs a Spiritual Revival, Not Just a Good Political Leader

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Louisiana governor and potential 2016 presidential candidate Bobby Jindal shared with thousands of people at his national prayer rally Sunday how he converted from Hinduism to Catholicism, and urged prayers for America's spiritual revival as well as President Obama and his family.

Jindal, who has described himself as an "evangelical Catholic," prayed for a spiritual revival to "begin right here, right here in our hearts" as he opened the six-hour prayer rally, "The Response: A Call to Prayer for a Nation in Crisis," at the Pete Maravich Assembly Center, the home of the Louisiana State University basketball team, in Baton Rouge.



We definately need a revival. A nation that turns from God suffers.

 2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
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End Times Forum / Re: Will Hagee Have A Rapture?
« Last post by notreligus on Today at 01:54:15 PM »
NOTE..... I am responding like this because my  "quote" never works right .

notreligus:

I want to start my reply here and the following one to Red with this scripture

(Isa 11:1 KJV) And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: . . . . {10} And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

As you read the following and also my reply to Red remember this from the above.

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:" 

notreligus:

I want to respond to your second post to me ,first... so I am going to
make your text blue....

You said

"Galatians 3:16  Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.


The Merrian-Webster dictionery  says....

offspring:  noun.

plural : offspring  ; also offsprings

note, offsprings is the 2nd choice so offspring could well mean many.

"Christ has fulfilled the Abrahamic Covenant. "


That is what I said when I said

Jesus, at the last supper, when he broke bread and distributed the wine called it a new covenant.

But that did not replace God’s covenant with Abraham, it finished it…. And finally included Gentiles.

I did not skip right over your post.

Red had said something and I wanted to give my view on it. It is not his entire post I was critical of, only one paragraph and I wanted to just respond to him and explain my beliefs.

Further disclaimer.... I do not , for one minute believe.... ALL Jews are God's chosen and will be saved. You need to read what I write and not inject between the lines.

I also have never heard Hagee preach... out of his mouth.. that he believes this either. I have heard him say the Jews are the apple of God's eye.

This I do believe.

When they were wandering in the wilderness those 40 odd years and Moses went up to the mount and came down with the 10 commandments, a very large portion of those waiting had fallen away from their beliefs and were worshiping other gods.

Not all went back to worshiping God. They were totally lost in my belief and not saved.

Red  has gone to great depths to "prove" me wrong in the post just following yours and I will respond to his as soon as I get it all written out....

In the meantime,

You said

"If you are a follower of John Hagee, then you've probably got a copy of his book, In Defense of Israel, the first edition.   You should also know that he revised the book after receiving so much criticism over the utter heresy he put in the first edition of the book. The book is sitting on the dresser in my bedroom right now.   

I think it's pretty rich that you would skip right over this and then proceed to be critical of Red's post."


I skipped over this because I do not, repeat DO NOT have a copy of Hagee's In Defense of Israel. First edition or second....

I DO NOT BUY BOOKS FROM PEOPLE ON TV.

And I DO NOT SUPPORT THEM MONETARILY.

You further went on with

"You obviously have not read this passage with understanding.   Christ was revealed to Israel in the Torah.    Christ told them that Moses had accused them of unbelief because even though he had spoken of the Messiah they refused to believe.   When you reject Christ you're not saved, Jew or not.  A true Torah-following Jew would have recognized the Christ.   Hagee's own premise is a bunch of nonsense."


As I said in my reply to RED that the coming Savior was mentioned in the old testament.... I did not include Torah, an error on my part.....I guess.

The following I had said in my post...

"And this was told to the Jews in the Abrahamic covenant.

an"everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew scriptures."

God does not break covenants.....

I further said 

" Israel will repent and receive the forgiveness of God in the future (Zechariah 12:10–14). The Abrahamic Covenant finds its ultimate fulfillment in connection with the return of Messiah to rescue and bless His people Israel. It is through the nation Israel that God promised in Genesis 12:1–3 to bless the nations of the world. That ultimate blessing will issue in the forgiveness of sins and Messiah’s glorious kingdom reign on earth.

Are we to assume that God changed His mind here thus breaking a covenant with Israel? God promised the savior to the Jews first.... He did not change his mind when Jesus came in real life, He came for the Jews first.

And I went on to say

"Jesus, at the last supper, when he broke bread and distributed the wine called it a new covenant.

But that did not replace God’s covenant with Abraham, it finished it…. And finally included Gentiles.

I will concede that possibly old testament Jews who followed God's law jot and tittle were not "saved", but
we really do not know that for a fact and cannot assume they will end up in hell fires because the Savior had not yet arrived.

Moses had had direct access to God and yet disobeyed him, (sin) , then was denied entry into the promised land.

This brings into question as to Moses' salvation.

Jude1 vs 9 says

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Michael and Satan were arguing over Moses' body.

Now either Moses was saved and Satan was crying foul because of the sin that displeased God, or Satan got hold of Moses because of that and Michael was arguing for his release. We will never know, but it sure gives pause for thought.

There can be no mistake that when our Savior Jesus was born and started his ministry on earth he came first for the Jews.

Matt 24:

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus' words not mine and if the house of Israel are not the Jews then who are they?

The following link I have read and gotten some good points from.

It is excessively long and too long to post all of it here.

http://www.velocity.net/~edju70/Abraham0.htm

Part 9 is where my thinking currently lies.

That I have copied and pasted here.

THE CHURCH AND ISRAEL IN SCRIPTURE

Please link to this page if you want to use
this series rather than placing it on your own home page.
Also, please do not use excerpts, but reproduce the entire page intact.

Part 9: The Jews First, Then The Gentiles

Paul told the Corinthians that Christ died for the Jews, and for all men:

    (2 Cor 5:14-15 KJV) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: {15} And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Jesus came to the Jews first. The Gentiles being added to Israel fulfills several Old Testament prophecies: Psalm 18:49, Deut. 32:43, Psalm 117:1, Isa. 11:1,10:

    (Psa 18:49 KJV) Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

    (Deu 32:43 KJV) Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

    (Psa 117:1 KJV) O Praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.

    (Isa 11:1 KJV) And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: . . . . {10} And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.  (bolding mine)

The Gentiles are partakers of the blessing of Romans 15:26-27. The Gospel records clearly demonstrate that the New Covenant was offered to the Jews first. In Matthew 10, Jesus sent the disciples to preach the Gospel only to the nation of Israel. Only after the Jewish leadership rejected Christ was the Great Commission expanded to include all nations [Matt:28:18-20].

    (Mat 28:18-20 KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. {19} Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: {20} Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    (Rom 1:16 KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    (Rom 15:8-12 KJV) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: {9} And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. {10} And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. {11} And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. {12} And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

    (Rom 15:26-27 KJV) For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. {27} It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

GENTILE CHRISTIANS ARE "COUNTED FOR THE SEED" AND CHILDREN OF GOD

    (Rom 9:6-8 KJV) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: {7} Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. {8} That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    (Rom 9:30-33 KJV) What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. {31} But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. {32} Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; {33} As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

THE BELIEVING JEWS AND GENTILES WOULD BE MADE TO BE ONE FLOCK

Jesus taught that the Gentiles who believed would be united with the believing remnant of Israel in one "fold" with one "Shepherd":

    (John 10:16 KJV) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

THE SEED OF ABRAHAM AS GOD'S ADOPTED SONS WOULD INHERIT THE EARTH

As adopted sons of God, we also will receive the promise to Israel to inherit the earth.

    (Rom 4:13-16 KJV) For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. {14} For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: {15} Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. {16} Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

We are the adopted children of God under the New Covenant. Because Christ is the heir, and we are in Christ, we are heirs of the Old Testament promises of the Millennial Kingdom of God.

    (Gal 3:6-29 KJV) Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. {7} Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. {8} And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. {9} So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. {10} For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. {11} But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. {12} And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. {13} Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: {14} That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. {15} Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. {16} Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. {17} And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. {18} For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. {19} Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. {20} Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. {21} Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. {22} But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. {23} But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. {24} Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. {25} But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. {26} For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. {27} For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. {28} There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. {29} And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    (Mat 5:5 KJV) Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

[End of Part 9.]


Look, I can overload the bandwidth here and post as much as you can.  We can all posts Scripture and say, "This is what it means."   I don't reach the same conclusions as you.   For forty years I did but one day I recognized that for beliefs like yours to be true, and for Christ to reign over a temporary millennial kingdom, that means we need to rip out the Book of Hebrews.   Christ is now on the throne and He's not coming down from His heavenly throne until He returns to reign over His eternal physical kingdom.   As there is now One New Man in Christ there is no more Jew and Gentile but all are one in Christ.   

Before the foundation of the world God envisioned the Church.   The Church is not a nation. 

Yes, Christ came first to the Jews.   He had to.   He had to fulfill the Law and make the Old Covenant obsolete.  (That's also in Hebrews.)    Christ told the Jews that they were accused as unbelievers by the very Scriptures they claimed to believe.    Don't you realize that the Jews has already begun a rabbinical system?   Christ told them that they had turned the Temple - "My Father's House" - into a den a thieves.   They had already begun their turn away from a sacrificial system.   Don't you realize that prefigured how they would turn against Him and His own sacrifice?   

ALL of mankind needed to be reconciled.   The Gentiles are not God's Plan B while Israel is Plan A.   The Church is God's Plan A.    ALL Believers in Christ are part of Plan A.   

John Hagee:   You may not have a copy of the book, but I just have to be honest here.     I find it very, very hard to believe that with all of the publicity surrounding that book and your claiming to be a follower of his ministry that you don't know about that book and it's contents.   Do you know the real purpose behind CUFI, the political arm of John Hagee?    They have been lobbying our government to bomb Iran for years.   
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Sports Forum / Re: Any NFL Fans?!
« Last post by MoodyMoose on Today at 01:33:48 PM »
Any thoughts on the deflated football scandal?  ::shrug::
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End Times Forum / Re: Will Hagee Have A Rapture?
« Last post by Rella on Today at 01:29:34 PM »
Red,

As I said in my reply to notreligus I am responding to you

like this cause my "quote" button does not work right.

And yes, I did note that you said you would continue later but I wanted to reply now.

As in my reply to him I want to start my reply with

(Isa 11:1 KJV) And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: . . . . {10} And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

And as you read the following remember this from the above.

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:"

Red, you said (in blue)

Not sure exactly what single group of people would fit into this church. The scriptures never refers to the church of Satan, but to the generation of serpents, evil; etc.~which would include many people from most different groups of worshipers that has ever lived in this world.  So, maybe you could help to explain what you mean.


By church I am talking  of all professing Christian faiths that have used, currently use, or will in the future use the Holy bible as their fundamental basis for being in exisitence. Those with, or without buildings but generally cause groups of people to meet for the hearing of the Holy Word and to worship God.

By ministers I am  collectively and inclusively including all Christian ministers
that have used, currently use, or will in the future use the Holy bible as their fundamental basis for teaching.

( And should include even those that have been cultist in ideas such as
Jim Jones, or even Marshall Applewhite , who preached the bible, but with their obvious mental illnesses mis-interpreted it to their brainwashed followers. They, believed they were correct in what the word teaches. While mostly wrong, worship of God and following Him
and what they thought were biblical instuctions, was very important teachings of theirs so they were not 100% wrong.)

By the church of Satan I am referring to the likes of...
The Church of Satan Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, Who wrote the Satanic Bible.

Or the Modern Church of Satan, Or The First Church of Satan... all very real and no Biblical teachings what-so-ever. You can Google their beliefs if you are curious.
But since I had used the term Church in my post, I wanted to clarify that there is nothing they teach and preach that is correct. Not one thing.

As to teachers of the likes of Wicca, Witchcraft, and Paganism... while specifically not included in the Church of Satan, must be inclusive here because teaching those things is far more in league with the devil then with God.

And the fact that the US military permits those teachings as well as those of the Christian faith on their bases puts them right there in the "church" catagory.

Why be a follower of any man?  Every man's words must be tested by the testimony of God himself, to see if he is true or not. (1 John 4:1) I was first taught exactly what JH believes in over forty plus years ago in bible school and the church in which I attended, but soon realized that it was against the word of God, and was nothing more than a Jewish fable, which must be rejected by God fearing children.  There are some very sincere believers who have been deceived into believing the same lie that JH pushes, among many other false doctrines that he believes in.

Perhaps follower is not the correct term. But I listen to him, and Jack Van Impe, and Frederick K.C.Price (and son) and used to Robert Schuller until he started to align himself with the Chrislam ideas, and Charles Stanley,
and D. James Kennedy, and Marlyn Hickey,and even to the likes of Benny Hinn and Billy Burke. And others,
including listening to all of you on here.

Are they/you  all 100% right. NO. But collectively, along with the reading of the Holy word.I have formed my own beliefs.

Every man's words must be tested by the testimony of God himself, to see if he is true or not. (1 John 4:1)

EXACTLY: Which is precisely why I do not attend a 'weekly' service at my church because the man in the pulpit is giving "his own" interpretation to things. One man's idea.

Not since I sat  at a  Christmas eve service and a woman
was telling the story of the Wisemen to the children and actually said that the camels were so very fast they were able to ride from "the East" and get the wisemen to Jesus in the manger.
I almost lost it and wrote to the minister at the time my concerns of why he would have permitted her to tell the children... (which they will never forget) ... and congregation a lie.
HE replied to me that while I was correct it is better not to confuse the people.

And not since a good friend from a different church was told by her minister that you will loose your salvation if you do not go to weekly service.... and this was a Baptist, not Catholic.

Again, it is a matter of carefully considering what one is reading to understand what he is reading~and trust God to open his eyes.  Jesus without question was sent unto "the LOST SHEEP" of the house of Israel, not for all Israel!


I do not think I was referring to all of Israel. If I was I am sorry because there certainy were many Jews worshiping other gods among other things and would  not have qualified.

Two things to consider: (1) Not all of Israel were of "true Israel"~Romans 9:6-8;

Just like all professing Christians are not true ones, today.

and "OTHER SHEEP" Jesus had among the Gentiles that had to be brought into the fold!  Again, consider: John 10:16; John 17; Acts 15:7-18, etc.


Yes, but as the following indicates...

John 10:16 KJV

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

In Matthew 10, Jesus sent the disciples to preach the Gospel only to the nation of Israel.

Then

Mat 28:18-20 KJV

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. {19} Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: {20} Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Well, I agree, but this proves nothing more than that they had the scriptures in their hands, yet did not understand their own scriptures, given to them of their prophets.

Hmmmmmm. Based on the number of posts you have made and also of many other more learned people then I we also disagree on what our own scriptures have to say
and rely a great deal on clarification from others.

And you, as well as most of the readers of this will have to agree that there is debate and discussions over most every thing that does not agree with ones own view point.

So they did not understand their own scriptures given to them by their own prophets....?.. A lot of people don't understand things and interpretations will widely vary. Kind of like what the meaning of is, is... (You will understand that if you are from the US.)

All that means is after Jesus finally came he and his disciples had to go "teaching" to those who would hear and finally understand.

God's true elect for the most part, came from the stock of Israel, (in the OT and up to the death of Christ, and shortly afterwards)  just as it is today~that God's elect are those that worship in the "churches of religion" throughout this world, yet most of them know very little truth, just as it was with Israel of old.


And mistruths and misquotes abound to only confuse the situation. Again referring yet to this board and debates.

Your statement carry's very little weight in the defense believing Israel has special promises as a nation waiting for them to be yet fulfilled.

I NEVER said they have promises unfulfilled. But God made more then one covenant with various people of Israel... A covenant is a special promise.

I said Jesus fulfilled the Abrahamic covenant at the last supper.

It is nothing more than a myth that men like JH believes in, and try's to convince others of. 

And you and I will need to agree to disagree.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Ok you believe, where is your proof?
« Last post by Catholica on Today at 01:07:43 PM »
If Christians wrote down their works, that would be a very biblical way to prove their faith.
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Forum Issues and User Help / Re: Reporting Questionable Ads
« Last post by Lady Daffodil on Today at 12:38:31 PM »
I haven't seen any questionable ads, but I don't like seeing an ad above every answer to someone's post.  Is there a way to turn them off so I don't see them?  I posted this question a few days ago but I forget where I put it.
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Prayer Requests Online and Praise Reports / Re: Rough patch
« Last post by Lady Daffodil on Today at 12:33:28 PM »
Agreeing in prayer. ::prayinghard::
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