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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Carrier, jobs, and reality
« Last post by crowcamp on Yesterday at 09:04:19 PM »
A follow up for all who had a "leg tingle" over the Carrier deal. Know what Carrier plans on doing with the $7 million Indiana is giving them in tax breaks? And the $16 million they've pledged to invest there over the next few years? Well, they plan on automating- so as to eliminate jobs- so as to stay competitive.

Reality is a bummer.
It is a very poor translation of Colossians 2:13-14 which says that any law was nailed to the cross.  It was not the law which was nailed to the cross, rather it was the condemnation against mankind that comes from violating that law that was nailed to the cross.  The Law [at least the moral aspects of that law] are alive and well and remain the measure of morality and righteousness.  Consider, instead of the KJV, the NASB or the ESV:

Col 2:13  When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
Col 2:14  having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

And by the way, you might want to observe for whom that condemnation was nailed to the cross. That is specified in the three preceeding verses.  Those benefiting from that nailing are those who "have been made complete.........having been buried with Him in baptism......"

Lets take a look n Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Thats the law of animal sacrificial law, which was nail to the cross. People have to understand that the wages of sin is death... Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So, Jesus dies for the sins of the world, and to tap in to the blood of Jesus one must get Baptize in the name of Jesus and keep his Commandments and Stautes and Judges. Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

Now Paul say in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. 

If Paul did NOT mean that the entirety of the Law of the Obsolete Covenant had been removed, he could hardly have done a worse job of communicating his meaning than Eph. 2:14-16 and Col. 2:13-14.

If John, quoting Jesus, had meant that we need to follow laws, he could hardly have done a worse job of communicating this than John 6, where Jesus taught that the only "work" needed to obtain eternal life is "belief."

God had Peter to clearly warn you about some of Paul’s writing.  Now in (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now you need to take heed to this warning, you can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on one or two verse out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Early in the text I explain what law was nail to the cross, or abolish.

Paul say in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Jesus said in Matthew 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. So Jesus said, “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,” No matter what you read in the Bible, these commandments have to be kept to enter into life, you can’t go in know other place in the Bible and try to overturn what Jesus said here, you just can’t. Now let’s read further into what Jesus is saying here in Matthew… Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Therefore, Jesus explains more in detail and what we see here is the following of the Ten Commandments. This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday). See Exodus20 Chapter for full 10 Commandments

So, Paul and Jesus are inline with each other, saying the same thing.
Christmas Eve TV show - Doug Batchelo - A Cold Confession 04/12/2016
Hear and feel what God says
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Christian Women Forum / Re: Abortion and school choice
« Last post by Brisingr on Yesterday at 08:32:52 PM »
I don't think he's equipped to be the President. He can barely stay off Twitter long enough to get a handle on what needs to be done in this country. I mean, day-long rants over some offhand comment from an actor in a play? NOPE. Pouting because SNL made fun of him? Are you kidding me? They've made fun of everyone ever in the history of media since they first became an on-air thing.  He throws tantrums like a five year old. Do you really want this man trying to lead the country? He's too thin-skinned by far to do well. The media criticizes every. single. President. quite harshly. Also, this is the idiot who didn't realize that Hawaii became a state two years before Obama was born there.

I have a feeling he'll insult a foreign dignitary -- oops, he already did that with China vs. Taiwan.

In short, no. He's not worth the title. And it's likely his own bad behavior (hello, failed college that didn't actually teach its students anything except how to get bilked) will get him impeached in very short order.

We have better people to run the country. People who actually were trained in statecraft. This dude thinks he's on another reality tv show.

You mix up and assume a lot of things, thus making complex of things that are simple to understand.

In the world,  commandments of God begin as laws (for the flesh) and end as the everlasting covenant (for the soul).

As the OP pertains to laws nailed to the Cross, I will limit just to the law of God and the law given to Moses. Every law imposes on the flesh/soul an obligation to keep. Failure to keep the is called transgression.

The law of God (inclusive of the law of faith and the law of Christ) command's nothing more than that mankind should:
  • believe God. To believe God is to receive and allow God
  • trust God
  • obey God
  • love God

Whosoever keeps the above listed elements of the law of God is righteous.

Greater than and directly looming over transgressions are sins (which, basically, are deceitful and deceit based things and deeds. Therefore, whosoever sins is considered to have also transgressed the law.

Because mankind could not keep the law of God, there were lots of transgressions in the world.

God had to give a shadow law to Moses pending when Jesus would come as the Christ and as the Lord to fulfill the law of God on our behalf.

Believing,  trusting, obeying and loving God are works of God we must do in order to bring about the righteousness of God. These works precede righteousness.

Jesus, both as the Christ and as the Lord on earth, did all these works (believe, trust, obedience and love) on our behalf so that we can obtain the righteousness of God.

By doing those works for us, there is no longer a need for the shadow law that God gave through Moses. Jesus first of all fulfilled the Mosaic law before nailing it to the Cross.

Whosoever believes and abides in Jesus no longer needs any part of the Mosaic law, but is deemed to have already fulfilled all elements of the law of God leading to righteousness.

Now, whosoever believes God is given a starter package called faith. Faith consists of:
  • the righteousness Jesus secured for us after He believed,  trustrd, obeyed and loved God
  • truth that is also called the anointing. Truth is the opposite of deceitful and deceit based things that cause sins.

By receiving the gift of faith that imputes righteousness,  we also receive the believing, trusting, obedience and love that Jesus worked out unto righteousness.

Then our lives emulate the righteous life of Jesus Christ until the everlasting covenant sets in athe the end.

Jesus says...Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Now, if the Jesus said think not that I came to destroy the law, lets reason together, what do destroy mean; to take away, etc, right. So that simply means that the law is still on the table and the prophets

Jesus couldn't destroy the prophet because he had to fulfilled all of what the prophets wrote about jesus and what he had to do.

First of all, all is not fulfilled, lets look at this again

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Christian Politics Forum / Re: Politcal ambition versus God
« Last post by mclees8 on Yesterday at 08:17:55 PM »
Nice post.

Toe-may-toe.      Tah-ma-toe.

 A true godly Christian is appointed not elected.


Your  problem is that you attach secularism  to Christianity or even Old testament Israel.  Christianity is not about modern politics. Jesus church was not of the world politics. Why are you quick to argue?

When did ever here of Christs church holding elections.   

 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 . 2 Co 6:14-18       Is not the world everything that is Babylon?    Did you not know that separation from the world is from genesis to revelation. If any man loves the world the love of the Father is not in him.

Frienship with the world enmity against God   Im going to be a little critical here but many Christians who have put thei faith in he worlds politics may never see heaven. Separation is not an option but absolute

Christian Politics Forum / Re: Pelosi Calls Carson 'Disturbingly Unqualified'
« Last post by crowcamp on Yesterday at 07:21:27 PM »
Crow that is my exact point.  Being qualified means you are experienced in giving away tons of tax dollars and know how to find new ways to give away more money to programs that have zero chance of working.  That would be a qualified HUD head.

Then let's hope he's not qualified; and stays that way.
Theology Forum / Re: How do you know God is morally perfect and righteous?
« Last post by MattMVS7 on Yesterday at 06:54:01 PM »
You clearly are able to reason. Autism or not.
You have had truth shared and you reject it in favor of what's right in your own eyes. That's your God given right.

He loves you enough to have given you free will.

Jesus is the way to the Father. If you have Him, you have salvation and nothing to fear.

There are clearly things you are held captive and enslaved to, that you are terrified to give up.

Go then, in whatever peace you can find.

I highly doubt this is even the truth to begin with.  I hope it's not because the Christian worldview is a horrible one in my opinion.  What are those things I must adhere to in order to get into heaven besides accepting Jesus and being kind and not harming/torturing innocent people?

Lastly, my personal ideal God is one suited for our modern civilization.  It is not that ancient condemning God who sentences you to punishment in hell.  This would be a hedonistic God who is the one I personally described a while ago.  He would be a God who would have many high ratings on amazon if he were an item.

An ancient and horrible device would have many low ratings, but a modern and polished device would have many high ratings if it is an excellent device that suits its purpose for mankind.  Therefore, it is time for God himself to become the modern day device and not that primitive and defective religious invention that does not serve us well.  That God is a moral defect that needs to be thrown out and replaced with a modern and morally suitable God who is universally acceptable to virtually everyone.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Pelosi Calls Carson 'Disturbingly Unqualified'
« Last post by Johnb on Yesterday at 06:52:02 PM »
Crow that is my exact point.  Being qualified means you are experienced in giving away tons of tax dollars and know how to find new ways to give away more money to programs that have zero chance of working.  That would be a qualified HUD head. 
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