By the way NR, how are you successfully using the QUOTE function? A bunch of us can't seem to use it lately. Something with the software or something I guess.
Charlie, some would contend that confessing with our lips is a work contrary to grace, any more than the absolute passive thing it is. I do not believe that confession is a work. Your last statement is true. We are confessing the Godhead at our baptism, which is why I don't understand the inordinate delay by some. I can still call those brother or sister as Johnb mentioned, but I do not understand the delay of such. It was certainly not patterned that way in the NT. 'When someone says they were saved way before they were baptized, I scratch my head and ask why the delay? Especially if the Matt 10:32 scripture is correct and I certainly believe it is. I'm pretty sure you have told me you believe in or your church practices as close to immediate baptism as possible to the moment of belief. We agree on that. As in the first century, any but immediate baptism was not noted in scripture and closely linked to salvation as Johnb said. Also as Johnb has alluded to, I fellowship all kinds of believers that don't agree with me on baptism. I have many Baptist friends that have joined our church and they were not asked to be re-baptized. My own grandson's accepted Christ in their other grand dad's Baptist church. I was taken aback when they were later baptized in that church their other grand dad baptized them under the authority vested in him through so and so Baptist church, and not in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And of course made the requisite statement that this baptism has nothing to do with salvation. We disagree, but I consider my in-laws Godly Christ followers and would certainly not try to handcuff them and drag them into a cofc baptistery. Fortunately as Johnb said, God is the ump and I am not. I really am trying to stay away from these baptism discussions, because nothing new is ever offered by either side. I apologize for my part in this continuing saga and pray that I will just leave it alone. There is plenty of archived past arguments on this forum about this subject.I know how you feel.