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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Glenn Beck/#NeverTrump/Libertarians
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 02:19:48 PM »
Glenn Beck, in his bitterness over Trump, is now pushing his followers and the #NeverTrump folks to go Libertarian this election. Beck claimed  Trump was unfit for the presidency because of his lack of moral values, but now Beck is pushing the Libertarian party which is known for pro-choice, pro legalized drugs, pro legalization of prostitution, pro gay marriage, etc.
Will Beck's sheeple follow his lead this time, or will he be left crying, rolling his face in crushed Cheetos again?




Your oversimplification of the Libertarian Party is why I don't refer to myself as a Libertarian.

I have libertarian beliefs, but they don't line up with Gary Johnson on abortion or open borders. 

I also have problems with the track record of Trump on abortion and the 2nd amendment.   I simply do not believe his positions have fundamentally changed.


I'm not oversimplifying the Libertarian Party. They start with a good premise of limited government, then bastardize it with a Laissez-faire, let it ride, let go, let them do it attitude on social issues. Their leading candidate is typical Libertarian - pro choice, pro legalizing all drugs starting with marijuana as a point of departure, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of prostitution. Not only that, he's said in the past he's for wide open borders and that both state and the federal government should share the expenses of this flood of people coming in.  Glenn Beck (and others)  thumb their snooty noses at Donald Trump while pushing the Libertarian party's agenda while telling others they're not true conservatives or true Christians for not following their endorsements. Disgusting.

As for not trusting Trump on the 2nd Amendment, that's your deal. The NRA believes him. They've endorsed him.
As for not trusting Trump on abortion, many staunch pro-life groups are trusting him.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after-stumble-trump-wins-cheers-from-pro-life-advocates/article/2590444


Yes, oversimplification.   There are many libertarians out there like Ron and Rand Paul who are pro life.

And the line in the sand on who is a true conservative isn't Glenn Beck.   It's me.

Boom!

Compared to me, Jaime is a communist.


 Pro life Libertarians are the exception to the rule, not the rule.
 Ron Paul is not even running. He's 80 years old, so I don't think there's a big chance of him running in the future. Rand Paul holds Libertarian beliefs on some of these same social issues, even though he does claim to be pro-life. Rare in Libertarian circles.

The Libertarian Party is inconsistent. They say the government should stay out of all personal business, so that's why they're for legalization of drugs and prostitution. At the same time, they say drug use (even heroin and meth) and prostitution should be "safe" and regulated so it stays "safe." Well...who regulates all the shooting up and ****ing? The government, that's who.
Sorry, but the Libertarian Party is not for me. I'm for less government, but at the same time, I'm not ready to legalize the aforementioned sins putting the government in charge of keeping it all "safe" for us.
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Theology Forum / Re: Is it possible for us to keep God's. ........?
« Last post by doorknocker on Today at 02:04:12 PM »
SwordMaster said---

>>>To the false ideology of many here, one is not a child of God simply because he believes in Christ, because when we utilize the Progressive Revelation principle of interpretation, we come to find that those who are in Christ are those who are walking in the Spirit, and the walking is what makes us God's children. That does not insinuate perfection of obedience, it directly correlates with the attitude and walk of obedience, and that is what God demands.<<<

I have to point out that you are refuting the clear teaching of Scripture that one MUST BE BORN AGAIN. (John 3:2-5) One does not become a child of God through obedience--but
THROUGH A NEW BIRTH.

As I have posted before----one can claim to be a member of the ROYAL FAMILY OF ENGLAND all they want. They can speak with a British accent, wear Royal clothing, obey all the laws of Great Britain, refer to the Queen as "Mum"--and yet, if you show up at Buckingham Palace they will toss you out on your ear if you try to enter!

Now, William, who was born a Prince can claim to be Royalty, He was BORN into it. But what if Prince William was a nasty boy, and did very bad things---and did not obey the Queen, and insulted her? Would he no longer be a PRINCE? Of course not---he was BORN a PRINCE---and will be a PRINCE until the day he dies.  He may be a much chastised PRINCE due to his disobedience, but he will ALWAYS be a PRINCE.  And this is his RIGHT THROUGH BIRTH.

Contrary to what you teach SwordMaster, one does become a Child of God through Belief in Christ--and they are regenerated at that point, and are Reborn. One can CLAIM to be a child of God, as the Mormons and JW's do, through obeying the law and doing what's right-----but the Bible clearly teaches that the only way one becomes a Child of God is through being BORN AGAIN.

As John the Apostle said:

"See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we ARE! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, NOW we ARE children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we SHALL be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure". (1 John 3: 1-3)

John doesn't say "now are you the Children of God, as long as you abide in the Covenant....."  No---he is speaking of an event that has taken place and is very real.  We can KNOW we ARE the Children of God today,  And it is through a new birth alone.



Question for you Fish153,

To those who received Him and even that believe on His name, which are born of God, 

are they automatically sons of God ?   or have they been given power to become sons of God?



John 1 , 12-13
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God , even to

them that believe on His name  WHICH were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of

man, but of God.


When we are born of God , does that make us sons of God, or does that give us the power to become sons

of God?




For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,  they are the sons of God.


If you are born of God, and are not led by the Spirit and walk not by the Spirit of God,  does that make you

a son of God?


Or to put it simply, if you do not exercise the power (living and walking in His Spirit) have you become a son of God then?
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Beck is a Mormon, just like Romney.   They are looking forward to the day when the Mormons, true Israel, will rule from Jerusalem.   I believe it is naïve to think that this does not affect their politics.

They are also both businessmen, like another businessman I know of in this race.

High profile businessmen, like politicians often say what people want to hear, at least in public.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Glenn Beck/#NeverTrump/Libertarians
« Last post by notreligus on Today at 01:53:30 PM »
Beck is a Mormon, just like Romney.   They are looking forward to the day when the Mormons, true Israel, will rule from Jerusalem.   I believe it is naïve to think that this does not affect their politics.   
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Glenn Beck, in his bitterness over Trump, is now pushing his followers and the #NeverTrump folks to go Libertarian this election. Beck claimed  Trump was unfit for the presidency because of his lack of moral values, but now Beck is pushing the Libertarian party which is known for pro-choice, pro legalized drugs, pro legalization of prostitution, pro gay marriage, etc.
Will Beck's sheeple follow his lead this time, or will he be left crying, rolling his face in crushed Cheetos again?




Your oversimplification of the Libertarian Party is why I don't refer to myself as a Libertarian.

I have libertarian beliefs, but they don't line up with Gary Johnson on abortion or open borders. 

I also have problems with the track record of Trump on abortion and the 2nd amendment.   I simply do not believe his positions have fundamentally changed.


I'm not oversimplifying the Libertarian Party. They start with a good premise of limited government, then bastardize it with a Laissez-faire, let it ride, let go, let them do it attitude on social issues. Their leading candidate is typical Libertarian - pro choice, pro legalizing all drugs starting with marijuana as a point of departure, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of prostitution. Not only that, he's said in the past he's for wide open borders and that both state and the federal government should share the expenses of this flood of people coming in.  Glenn Beck (and others)  thumb their snooty noses at Donald Trump while pushing the Libertarian party's agenda while telling others they're not true conservatives or true Christians for not following their endorsements. Disgusting.

As for not trusting Trump on the 2nd Amendment, that's your deal. The NRA believes him. They've endorsed him.
As for not trusting Trump on abortion, many staunch pro-life groups are trusting him.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after-stumble-trump-wins-cheers-from-pro-life-advocates/article/2590444


Yes, oversimplification.   There are many libertarians out there like Ron and Rand Paul who are pro life.

And the line in the sand on who is a true conservative isn't Glenn Beck.   It's me.

Boom!

Compared to me, Jaime is a communist.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Glenn Beck/#NeverTrump/Libertarians
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 01:47:04 PM »
Glenn Beck, in his bitterness over Trump, is now pushing his followers and the #NeverTrump folks to go Libertarian this election. Beck claimed  Trump was unfit for the presidency because of his lack of moral values, but now Beck is pushing the Libertarian party which is known for pro-choice, pro legalized drugs, pro legalization of prostitution, pro gay marriage, etc.
Will Beck's sheeple follow his lead this time, or will he be left crying, rolling his face in crushed Cheetos again?




Your oversimplification of the Libertarian Party is why I don't refer to myself as a Libertarian.

I have libertarian beliefs, but they don't line up with Gary Johnson on abortion or open borders. 

I also have problems with the track record of Trump on abortion and the 2nd amendment.   I simply do not believe his positions have fundamentally changed.


I'm not oversimplifying the Libertarian Party. They start with a good premise of limited government, then bastardize it with a Laissez-faire, let it ride, let go, let them do it attitude on social issues. Their leading candidate is typical Libertarian - pro choice, pro legalizing all drugs starting with marijuana as a point of departure, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of prostitution. Not only that, he's said in the past he's for wide open borders and that both state and the federal government should share the expenses of this flood of people coming in.  Glenn Beck (and others)  thumb their snooty noses at Donald Trump while pushing the Libertarian party's agenda while telling others they're not true conservatives or true Christians for not following their endorsements. Disgusting.

As for not trusting Trump on the 2nd Amendment, that's your deal. The NRA believes him. They've endorsed him.
As for not trusting Trump on abortion, many staunch pro-life groups are trusting him.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after-stumble-trump-wins-cheers-from-pro-life-advocates/article/2590444

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General Discussion Forum / Re: Terrible 'Christian' Facebook Memes
« Last post by Lady Daffodil on Today at 01:27:53 PM »
I agree that these are not good.  They make people think God is some kind of fairy godmother.  ::frown::
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Prayer Requests Online and Praise Reports / Brain Tumor
« Last post by Lady Daffodil on Today at 01:25:20 PM »
A friend of mine recently had surgery to remove a brain tumor.  Although they were able to get it all, there is still a good chance of it growing back.  Please pray that God will work a miracle and completely heal him and not let the tumor come back.  And, of course, keep his whole family in prayer too.    ::prayinghard::
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Theology Forum / Re: Is it possible for us to keep God's. ........?
« Last post by fish153 on Today at 12:26:19 PM »
SwordMaster said---

>>>To the false ideology of many here, one is not a child of God simply because he believes in Christ, because when we utilize the Progressive Revelation principle of interpretation, we come to find that those who are in Christ are those who are walking in the Spirit, and the walking is what makes us God's children. That does not insinuate perfection of obedience, it directly correlates with the attitude and walk of obedience, and that is what God demands.<<<

I have to point out that you are refuting the clear teaching of Scripture that one MUST BE BORN AGAIN. (John 3:2-5) One does not become a child of God through obedience--but
THROUGH A NEW BIRTH.

As I have posted before----one can claim to be a member of the ROYAL FAMILY OF ENGLAND all they want. They can speak with a British accent, wear Royal clothing, obey all the laws of Great Britain, refer to the Queen as "Mum"--and yet, if you show up at Buckingham Palace they will toss you out on your ear if you try to enter!

Now, William, who was born a Prince can claim to be Royalty, He was BORN into it. But what if Prince William was a nasty boy, and did very bad things---and did not obey the Queen, and insulted her? Would he no longer be a PRINCE? Of course not---he was BORN a PRINCE---and will be a PRINCE until the day he dies.  He may be a much chastised PRINCE due to his disobedience, but he will ALWAYS be a PRINCE.  And this is his RIGHT THROUGH BIRTH.

Contrary to what you teach SwordMaster, one does become a Child of God through Belief in Christ--and they are regenerated at that point, and are Reborn. One can CLAIM to be a child of God, as the Mormons and JW's do, through obeying the law and doing what's right-----but the Bible clearly teaches that the only way one becomes a Child of God is through being BORN AGAIN.

As John the Apostle said:

"See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we ARE! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Dear friends, NOW we ARE children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we SHALL be like him, for we shall see him as he is. All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure". (1 John 3: 1-3)

John doesn't say "now are you the Children of God, as long as you abide in the Covenant....."  No---he is speaking of an event that has taken place and is very real.  We can KNOW we ARE the Children of God today,  And it is through a new birth alone.

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   I simply do not believe his positions have fundamentally changed.

That is simply because you, yourself cannot change and cannot understand those who can.

BUT you have to think SCOTUS and which side you want appointing.

You are in error.  Because I am suspicious of Donald Trump,  you make assumptions.   Erroneous assumptions.
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