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Theology Forum / Re: Its a shame...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 01:01:42 PM »
I am going to step aside SM and leave you to your own design in this thread...  this is beating a dead horse... can't wish you God speed brother but I will pray that your eyes are opened to the truth of God's Word...

will leave you with this...Romans 10:2-4 (KJV)
2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


Yes, but this applies more to you than me, brother.

I have shown you the Scriptures, and since you cannot defend your doctrine, you turned to other less honorable tactics...

To put it plainly and simply, you do not believe the Scriptures, only the ones which seem to back your theology, but when we take the WHOLE Word of God into view, even the passages you use (when you do) do not back what you claim.

I, likewise, will leave you with this...

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Those who call Him Lord, but do not walk in obedience to God, do not have eternal life...whether they believe or not, because belief is only one of the conditions to gaining eternal life, just as the Scriptures clearly teach.

 ::preachit::
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Theology Forum / Re: Its a shame...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 12:56:54 PM »
I like your last post dalet...  this is where the rubber meets the road... 

and when we look into what you have written it really is the law of the neighbor...  it really is all about the present encounter and the next...  Loving thy neighbor as thy self is the fulfilling of the law of God in essence...

great post dalet...
ThanksTruthScientist. I think thats what most people should think of when the think of Yahosho without all thr fancy practice and superficial meaning of some words.


I was going to ask in my last post, but got side-tracked...what is "Yohosho?"

That is not Hebrew or Greek...so if it means Jesus, what language are you borrowing this term from?
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Yahushua was about making disciples as in following his teachings in way of life priscribed by Yahuah.The post mentioned false teaching of the church which should be the ecclesiastic movement in making disciples of the renewed covenant of Yahuah through Yahusha that I just list the basic aspects.

A name of any language is a name in any language which may have meaning in identifying character, and may sound different in different dialects or by limitation of a tongue not of the native language of origin as in the case of the Romans when it came to Yahusha. Slight variation of sounds in vowel does not alter the name and still clearily identifies the person.I meant to type Yahusha which Yehosha is also acceptable and I would not be typing in a different language because I can produce the sound in English even if of Hebrew origin. I rather not type Yehoshua or Yahushua as it implies two Hebrew vavs which is not the case even though pronounced like that by some Hebrew speakers as it is spelt yod+hey+vav+shin+ayin which is Yahuah + Yasha(save) conjugated in dropping "ah" from the name of the Creator and "ya" from the verb that means to save in Hebrew.


So...in other words, you intend the names Yahweh (ְיהָוֹה) and Yehosua (יהוֹשׁוַּע) or Yeshu'a (or ’Ιησους in Greek)? So, is that modern Hebrew you are using, because I find no resemblance of those names in Biblical Hebrew. You did use "Yehoshua" in the above but said you prefer not to use it, but I find none of the other names in reference materials in Biblical Hebrew...are those, by chance, the shortened or changed Hiphil infinitive renderings?

Just curious.



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Also, this is the quote that I was remembering from the first page of the "is there really no hope after the rapture" thread.  Please let me know if I've misinterpreted your comments here.

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Quote from: Amo on April 15, 2014, 08:06:43 PM

There will be no one alive on this earth after the rapture.  The unsaved will be destroyed by the brightness of God's literal presence at His coming.

2 Th 7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12  That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Amo is correct.  When Jesus returns again, this world comes to its end.  The rapture of believers will be at the last day of this world!  Make no mistakes about that truth. John 5:29 In Jesus' doctrine he makes it so clear that believers will be raised at the LAST day.  See John 6:40, 44, 54
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Theology Forum / Re: Salvation is by???
« Last post by TruthScientist on Today at 12:53:06 PM »
Phil I believe that salvation of mankind is highest aim of God that has to do with the affairs of men.  "He would that all men be saved..."  you have upped a good point Phil, how complicated men have allowed satan to turn this blessing promised through Abraham's seed for the whole world...

it is not God, not the bible but man who is being drawn into fruitless arguments over this act of supreme love by God Himself...  there are gifted men on this board and yet we can not come to an agreement with this Light that has been given to us by the Father from Heaven...  Ps 119:89...

I promise you Phil that this ought to be a matter that each and everyone who names the name of Christ would want to settle...  but ego, arrogance, hardheartedness and other things that satan uses to nip at us with to take true focus away keeps us confusing those who would come to Jesus...  Every statement of faith it picked a part to prove that it does not teach salvation it seems.

this should be a healthy thread Phil...thanks
Do you speak for Satan on this matter?

I agree with you about confusion, everything added to the original teaching is confusing.
 identify what is confusin what is confusing things.

nope he and I are not on speaking terms erm...

the confusion I speak of is not of the bible but men's interpretations... 

take a look at the threads on here about salvation to identify the confusion... i.e. baptism in the name of Jesus only, sprinkling, works, we are saved at death when our works are tallied and other things that come from prescribed believers and teachers of the word...  you may not see it as such but I do...
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Theology Forum / Re: Salvation is by???
« Last post by e.r.m. on Today at 12:47:49 PM »
ChosenOne, I take back the statement and I apologize for saying that you knew that the amplified version is an embellishment, you may not actually have known.
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Theology Forum / Re: Its a shame...
« Last post by TruthScientist on Today at 12:42:04 PM »
I am going to step aside SM and leave you to your own design in this thread...  this is beating a dead horse... can't wish you God speed brother but I will pray that your eyes are opened to the truth of God's Word...

will leave you with this...Romans 10:2-4 (KJV)
2  For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3  For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4  For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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Theology Forum / Re: Salvation is by???
« Last post by e.r.m. on Today at 12:42:03 PM »
Phil I believe that salvation of mankind is highest aim of God that has to do with the affairs of men.  "He would that all men be saved..."  you have upped a good point Phil, how complicated men have allowed satan to turn this blessing promised through Abraham's seed for the whole world...

it is not God, not the bible but man who is being drawn into fruitless arguments over this act of supreme love by God Himself...  there are gifted men on this board and yet we can not come to an agreement with this Light that has been given to us by the Father from Heaven...  Ps 119:89...

I promise you Phil that this ought to be a matter that each and everyone who names the name of Christ would want to settle...  but ego, arrogance, hardheartedness and other things that satan uses to nip at us with to take true focus away keeps us confusing those who would come to Jesus...  Every statement of faith it picked a part to prove that it does not teach salvation it seems.

this should be a healthy thread Phil...thanks
Do you speak for Satan on this matter?
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Theology Forum / Re: Its a shame...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 12:38:24 PM »
TS rambled...


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This is not criticism but I would think that if you would like to persuade others who come to this site you would keep it simple and short and allow a person like me to digest what the principle point is and most assuridly it will lead to the rest in time.  I get a bit long myself sometimes but I am getting better at posting a post that a person would likely read and think on.


I am keeping it as simplified as possible, TS...but you are looking at the Scriptures as if they were a giant painting on the wall, and I am looking at the details of the brush strokes.

The truth is often discovered in the minute details, and in order to demonstrate what the Scriptures teach in truth, sometimes we have to get into the details.

the next post that you make where you make such an accusation without having a post where I said such a thing I will challenge you as a lair since it has happen regularly.  If you I say that you said a particular thing then I will post that statement or be ready to bring it to bear if you ask. you have not produced one post where anyone said that a believer should not live a Godly life...  not a single one...  yet you still allude to it for some reason.  until you do I will call you out until you either produce it or admit...

TS...just asking...but are you on medication? Once again you are not making any sense...If you have a problem with something that you think I said, then produce the quote, otherwise you are imagining things and talking gibberish. I am not trying to be rude, but your continual avoiding of producing what you claim is becoming quite irritating.

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I am questioning your clarity and motive...  you could well believe that some of us said that we do not think we have to work being believers...  in that case you may not be a liar but simply one who chooses to believe one.
 

I do not believe I ever said that anyone said such a thing...that appears to be all in your head...and since you refuse to produce the post where I supposedly did so, only demonstrates so far the frailty of your words.

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To be clear I will again say that believers ought to work.  But that works have nothing to do with salvation.  It is gained by grace through faith alone...

And again, to be clear, I will state according to the Scriptures that works do not have anything to do with the salvation which is an element of the atonement (saved from sin), but that also if one does not walk in obedience to God, then he is not in covenant with Him and therefore does not have eternal life...

1 John 3:23-24
 23   And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
 24   Whoever keeps his commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

John 15:6
If anyone does not abide in Me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

1 John 5:11-12
 11   And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
 12   Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Once again, TS, the Scriptures trump your false teachings. Whoever obeys God abides in Christ, whoever abides in Christ has eternal life, whoever abides in Christ has Christ, and he who has Christ has eternal life. He who does not remain abiding in Christ shall not see that life, even if he had it once before, because he will be cast out into the fire...

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; but whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him[/i].

Just because you believe does not mean you have eternal life in the end, because only those who believe and walk in obedience to Christ has eternal life. Those who do not walk in obedience because they think falsely that its all grace and faith and nothing else, still have the wrath of God upon their heads.

That is what the Scriptures state, in harmony with all the other passages...not the false teaching that you come up with that head-butt the Scriptures.

Have a good day.



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Theology Forum / Re: Salvation is by???
« Last post by LaSpino3 on Today at 12:35:46 PM »
Willie, people who are alive today, and if they are not Jews by blood, they are according to the Scriptures "Gentiles."

So, if I were a Gentile now, today, and had the O.T. Scriptures, and the 4 gospels only, could I find out how I can be saved?

Phil
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Theology Forum / Re: Its a shame...
« Last post by dalet on Today at 12:35:26 PM »
I like your last post dalet...  this is where the rubber meets the road... 

and when we look into what you have written it really is the law of the neighbor...  it really is all about the present encounter and the next...  Loving thy neighbor as thy self is the fulfilling of the law of God in essence...

great post dalet...
ThanksTruthScientist. I think thats what most people should think of when the think of Yahosho without all thr fancy practice and superficial meaning of some words.


I was going to ask in my last post, but got side-tracked...what is "Yohosho?"

That is not Hebrew or Greek...so if it means Jesus, what language are you borrowing this term from?
[/quot

Yahushua was about making disciples as in following his teachings in way of life priscribed by Yahuah.The post mentioned false teaching of the church which should be the ecclesiastic movement in making disciples of the renewed covenant of Yahuah through Yahusha that I just list the basic aspects.

A name of any language is a name in any language which may have meaning in identifying character, and may sound different in different dialects or by limitation of a tongue not of the native language of origin as in the case of the Romans when it came to Yahusha. Slight variation of sounds in vowel does not alter the name and still clearily identifies the person.I meant to type Yahusha which Yehosha is also acceptable and I would not be typing in a different language because I can produce the sound in English even if of Hebrew origin. I rather not type Yehoshua or Yahushua as it implies two Hebrew vavs which is not the case even though pronounced like that by some Hebrew speakers as it is spelt yod+hey+vav+shin+ayin which is Yahuah + Yasha(save) conjugated in dropping "ah" from the name of the Creator and "ya" from the verb that means to save in Hebrew.
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