And how does this conflict with what I stated? It confirms what I stated.
Again you said:
I not sure just what you are attempting to show here either since it confirms exactly what I stated in my post.
Thaddaeus, you generally follow very well, but not this time around. I said in plain words what I was attempting to show you and others like you
~hear me again:
Good works are clear evidences of one born of God, but are ,but are not the means of attaining eternal life, but are at best only clear proof that one is born of God, without which no one has no evidence that he is born of God~and we would add, if one's life is one that sin dominates and rules over, then that person is giving evidence that they are not of God.
Could I have said it clearer? I do not think so. You and others believe that good works are a means
of one attaining eternal life. This is against the word of God, and, without question promoting a system based upon works, instead of grace freely given through Christ's obedience, which God's word teaches us that know the the truth and who glory in Jesus' obedience, and not our own.
Since one cannot be born of God without faith
This is against the word of God. NOW, you may finally follow me, and see that my gospel that I preached and believes in, and trust in,does not teach
that faith precedes regeneration, but follows the new birth!
Just as as seeing and hearing follows natural life, and is not before it.
Once a person takes hold of this truth, then the word of God, will gloriously begin to open up to that person, and not before then, concerning the doctrine of regeneration by the Spirit of God alone~just as John taught us in John 1:13, and more so in John 3:1-9
, using Nicodemus as an perfect example how one is first regenerated, then comes faith and understanding, and not before, as most are taught.
it still confirms that the way to attain eternal life is through faith, working the works of righteousness.
Sir, that's wrong and against the words of Jesus Christ, the apostles of the Lord Jesus. Eternal life is THROUGH JESUS' FAITH AND OBEDIENCE
, not our's; and our salvation from sin and condemnation is confirmed
by our faith and obedience~only
, and are never used by God as the means of attaining life. Many have taken the scriptures that give evidence of one's salvation (using that word is a narrow sense from sins and condemnation) and try to apply them as a means of attaining life. God has hidden his truth in the word of God, our duty is to be diligent and seek to rightly divide God's word, lest we are put to shame by those that do give the scriptures their proper God given sense.
Again, there is nothing in these texts that overturns what I stated. Explain to me what you are actually saying “for his sake alone”.
I just did above. Our sins are forgiven because Jesus' perfect faith and obedience. All for whom Christ represented are forgiven of their sins, for his holy name sake
, because he died for their sins and secured life for those given to him of his Father, in the election of grace. Your gospel is one strange gospel. You believe that Jesus died for every single person, past, present and one's yet to be born, and that his death secure
eternal life for all, not as some others believe that Jesus' death provided life for all
~and I might add, both
of which are wrong. We believe that the scriptures teach and will support that Christ died for his people/seed, and his life, death and resurrection secured the free gift of eternal life for them all, Jews and Gentiles, not for the Jews only. When the holy apostle used the word "all"
he meant Gentiles as well as Jews, and among them both, God had his people, and their sins are forgiven them for what Jesus did for them in the days of his flesh, by being that perfect sacrifice for their sins. We are indeed forgiven for his name sake alone, not anything from us, would ever be consider as means of our forgiveness, or else, Jesus's death would not have been needed! Galatians 2-5
Again, Red, you need to understand that scripture has a separation between Salvation and Eternal life.
Sir, I DO
understand that being born again and eternal life are ONE AND THE SAME
. Now, the word salvation is used in different senses in the scriptures~so, most of the time, I am very careful on how I say my words in explaining certain bible truths, so that the reader would not get confused, and to help them better understand bible truths. If one is born of God, then that person has eternal life now, and the full realization of it will be in that world yet to come. By faith we trust that God's word is so, and that all that he has said, will surely come to pass just as he has promised, including that once my spirit leaves this body of sin and death, that I will be present with him, and that I will not truly ever die. John 11:25,26
Incorrect. We are given salvation. You don't even need to accept it. It is an outright gift of God, of His love, grace and mercy
But then you just as quick say this:
One receives eternal life through faith. Works are evidence but they are also the heart of, the means to attain eternal life, the content of faith.
Sir, that's called where I come from: "one confused person!"
Are you listening carefully to what you said here? If you can not differentiate between those two statements of yours, then maybe others will, in order to help them to see. Deception is powerful and real! The evidence is right before our eyes.
The works justifies ones faith.
Well, it does, in the sense that I said above. If a man professes to have faith, yet is void of godly works, then that man's faith is vain and useless. True faith produces godly works in our life, without which, one is not born of God. His so-called faith is nothing more than what the devils had, who fear Jesus when in his presence. No man can have faith, without first being born of God. (John 5:1
).... Faith is the evidence of those that are born of God, not the means thereof
Christ atoned for the sin of the world. I John 2:2.
The world, meaning Jews and Gentiles, not the Jews only~and among them both, God had an elect people for whom Christ died for. Too many scriptures in the NT to support this understanding and TRUTH!
It is NOT faith alone.
According to what sense you are trying to use those words, would determine how I should respond to your words. I will say this though~without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith is used as a strong biblical fruit that proves if one is of God, or not.