This is not criticism but I would think that if you would like to persuade others who come to this site you would keep it simple and short and allow a person like me to digest what the principle point is and most assuridly it will lead to the rest in time. I get a bit long myself sometimes but I am getting better at posting a post that a person would likely read and think on.
I am keeping it as simplified as possible, TS...but you are looking at the Scriptures as if they were a giant painting on the wall, and I am looking at the details of the brush strokes.
The truth is often discovered in the minute details, and in order to demonstrate what the Scriptures teach in truth, sometimes we have to get into the details.
the next post that you make where you make such an accusation without having a post where I said such a thing I will challenge you as a lair since it has happen regularly. If you I say that you said a particular thing then I will post that statement or be ready to bring it to bear if you ask. you have not produced one post where anyone said that a believer should not live a Godly life... not a single one... yet you still allude to it for some reason. until you do I will call you out until you either produce it or admit...
TS...just asking...but are you on medication? Once again you are not making any sense...If you have a problem with something that you think I said, then produce the quote, otherwise you are imagining things and talking gibberish. I am not trying to be rude, but your continual avoiding of producing what you claim is becoming quite irritating.
I am questioning your clarity and motive... you could well believe that some of us said that we do not think we have to work being believers... in that case you may not be a liar but simply one who chooses to believe one.
I do not believe I ever said that anyone said such a thing...that appears to be all in your head...and since you refuse to produce the post where I supposedly did so, only demonstrates so far the frailty of your words.
To be clear I will again say that believers ought to work. But that works have nothing to do with salvation. It is gained by grace through faith alone...
And again, to be clear, I will state according to the Scriptures that works do not have anything to do with the salvation which is an element of the atonement (saved from sin), but that also if one does not walk in obedience to God, then he is not in covenant with Him and therefore does not have eternal life...
1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in Him, and He in him
. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me
he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
1 John 5:11-12
11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son
12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Once again, TS, the Scriptures trump your false teachings. Whoever obeys God abides in Christ, whoever abides in Christ has eternal life, whoever abides in Christ has Christ, and he who has Christ has eternal life. He who does not remain abiding in Christ shall not see that life, even if he had it once before, because he will be cast out into the fire...
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; but whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him[/i].
Just because you believe does not mean you have eternal life in the end, because only those who believe and walk in obedience to Christ has eternal life. Those who do not walk in obedience because they think falsely that its all grace and faith and nothing else, still have the wrath of God upon their heads.
That is what the Scriptures state, in harmony with all the other passages...not the false teaching that you come up with that head-butt the Scriptures.
Have a good day.