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Theology Forum / Re: The baptism in Mt.28:19
« Last post by Texas Conservative on Yesterday at 09:30:36 PM »
Michael, several versions of the Bible including my NASB version of first Peter 3:21 says baptism is an appeal to God FOR (not from) a clean conscience. The very same thing Ananias told Paul, arise and be baptized washing away your sins calling on the Lord. It all fits like a glove.

Same conundrum with Acts 2:38. Most versions say repent and be baptized FOR foregiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Other versions translate it BECAUSE OF forgiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Bible version MATTERS greatly on what we believe. Translations can be affected by doctrinal bias one way or the other. Which is why I say Ananias and Paul's scenario fit hand in glove with 1Peter 3:21 as being an appeal to God FOR a clean conscience, what baptism truly is.

An appeal sounds like the sinner's prayer.
 ::tippinghat::
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Theology Forum / Re: The baptism in Mt.28:19
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 09:02:02 PM »
Michael, several versions of the Bible including my NASB version of first Peter 3:21 says baptism is an appeal to God FOR (not from) a clean conscience. The very same thing Ananias told Paul, arise and be baptized washing away your sins calling on the Lord. It all fits like a glove.

Same conundrum with Acts 2:38. Most versions say repent and be baptized FOR foregiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Other versions translate it BECAUSE OF forgiveness of sin and the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Bible version MATTERS greatly on what we believe. Translations can be affected by doctrinal bias one way or the other. Which is why I say Ananias and Paul's scenario fit hand in glove with 1Peter 3:21 as being an appeal to God FOR a clean conscience, what baptism truly is.
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Theology Forum / Re: The baptism in Mt.28:19
« Last post by e.r.m. on Yesterday at 08:56:21 PM »
Michael2012,
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Please note that, what I said, that is, "The ritual of the baptism with water is the expression of an inward act, the answer of a good conscience toward God, that is, repentance towards God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ", is on the premise that baptism with water is a ritual.

Now, on that premise then, what do you say is the baptism with water? Is it not an outward expression? An expression of what?
It doesn't matter what you or I say. The Bible authors never described baptism in water in Jesus's name in those terms. And they never said the purpose of this baptism was to express. As an untintended side effect to those who happen to be passing by could it accidentally express one's faith in Christ? I suppose, since no one other than those who believed in Christ would be baptized in Jesus's name. Could this baptism hydrate someone's skin and could cold baptism water make someone's heart beat faster? I suppose so. None of these secondary unintended side effects (including expressing) had any part in the discussion in the New Testament why they were getting baptized. You can't elevate any of these to the purpose for which they got baptized in Jesus's name.

You're bringing in new terminology and a new discussion to the topic of baptism in water in Jesus's name, that's irrelevant and useless.
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Theology Forum / Re: The baptism in Mt.28:19
« Last post by e.r.m. on Yesterday at 08:42:03 PM »
Michael2012,
                        Although they do refer to the mikveh as ritual cleansing once early in the NT, that reference does not continue through the rest of the New Testament, and it was never used to refer to baptism in water in Jesus's name. The whole ritual notion is really an evangelical "thing" used as a tool to try to invalidate this baptism's place in getting saved. The Bible authors never spoke of this baptism as a ritual that does not save you. Only the by grace alone, through faith alone community says that line.
 
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: President working for peace
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 08:31:14 PM »
McLees, i don't believe in the pre-trib eschatology and I believe the beast of Revelation is not a particular man, but an idealogy. Specifically I believe that anti-Christ idealogy is Islam, not Donald Trump. I believe Jesus is coming back sooner than later. I am not on board at all with the "left Behind" scenario. Christians will go through the tribulation, but not the final wrath of God. Nothing that can happen to us during the tribulation will be different than what millions of Christians have already suffered. Torture, dismemberment, horrible death. We will of course bipass the second death, but escape the tribulation? No. Escape God's final wrath? yes.
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Theology Forum / Re: The Washing
« Last post by bel on Yesterday at 08:29:17 PM »
RB, Yes, if we follow Adam in his disobedience to the Law of God, we die. However, when we follow Jesus and obey the Law of God as He did, we are made alive. It is not that we inherited some sin nature just because Adam sinned, as the original sin theory proposes. In Genesis we read that God put enmity between the woman's (Eve) Seed and the serpent's seed. Now, if the serpent's seed is at enmity to God, then Eve's Seed was not at enmity to God. The Seed of God is the true Word, and in following this, we live. Abel was righteous because he obeyed the true Word which was not only in his heart and mind, but Adam and Eve taught him of it as well. Yu keep wanting to say that sin is inherited as if by some gene, sin is passed on to our children. If this is true, where did Adam get this gene? Did he inherit it from God?
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Forum Issues and User Help / Re: Posts being redirected
« Last post by Nevertheless on Yesterday at 06:48:11 PM »
Try putting the post you want to make in this thread. It is possible that some very innocuous word or combination of words is triggering the board censor. That has happened to me before. The only way I've been able to find the problem when that happens is to type or paste in a paragraph at a time and click preview. If it gives me a preview then I add the next paragraph. If it gives an error, then the problem is within that paragraph.
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Christian Marriage Forum / Re: Husband cheated
« Last post by hh2k12 on Yesterday at 06:10:05 PM »
Thank you for your reply. I always said that if he cheated, I would leave.

He had an emotional affair a few years ago, and I had forgiven him for that. I have no doubts there were more.

I had given myself 6 months to make a decision. 6 months is only a few weeks away at this point (June). For most of the time, I had decided I would divorce at the 6 month mark. BUT God seems to have really come into his life over the last few weeks.

So ... that makes it more difficult. I am trying to determine what God would want me to do.

If he had already been a christian when this happened, I don't think I could move on. But he has since made big changes in his life. I am still very hurt though..
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: President working for peace
« Last post by Rella on Yesterday at 06:03:08 PM »
The president on a news conference stated quite adamant that Israel and Palestine were ready for peace. If that is true and Trump is the negotiator of a peace agreement what do you say about it. My gut feelings are telling me he will do it. what to you would be the significance of that for Christians to you.

Prophetically, and depending on where you personally stand with your own understanding of the players and such... I am most interested that when it happens, if it will be a peace pact of a supposed 7 year duration.

As suggested in, and commonly understood in  Daniel 9:27 NKJV

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

If it be Donald Trump as the instigator of suc peace then that would confirm what I have believed from day one, and that is God put the man in office to do a specific job .h

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