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For the record I do have fellowship but it is under a big banyan tree in a park. Was it Steven  that reminded the Jews that the earth is The Lords footstool. What building shall you build for Him. As far as grand religious cathedrals and such  Jesus said the Jerusalem temple would be destroyed. Tradition can be so blinding.
I agree with that.   That is why I have not aligned myself with a particular denomination. Because I don't want the constraint of that paradigm to interfere with my relationship with the Lord and through his word.

My church is the outdoors as well. I take walks, sit under a grandfather oak that is near my house, and read the Bible till my hearts content.
Scripture tells us God cannot be contained in structures created by men. The universe is his cathedral. And our bodies are houses of the Holy Spirit.

Besides, it feels good to be free like that rather than browse on TV and see these so called preachers of LA types who drive Rolls Royce and fly Lear Jets and then praise God and ask their lesser blessed congregants for more.
Would Jesus drive a Ferrari?

There's a church near my sisters house where the pastors parking space is reserved. I didn't pay it much mind before but a few months ago we were walking by and he pulls in with a T-tagged top of the line Bentley. A Bentley!
I couldn't help but think the kind of church sponsored homeless shelter that money would have helped build instead of the cash going to two axles that are do the same thing as a used Chevy to get him where he's going.

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If we truly recognize that this thing we call Christianity is in Babylon since 4th and fifth  century AD until this very day Protestant and Catholic you must leave it. The problem is we are afraid to leave what has become our identity. I left it several years ago. I stopped going to church and became the church in that which we have been called. I have devoted my time and my resource to witness for Christ in word and in deed. For many to leave the box to walk with Christ is unthinkable. We will make every excuse to remain institutionalized by it. Those like myself will be tagged as no longer saved or some other thing. Yet we must leave Babylon once knowing.

Amen!

More label that I was called.....deceived, heretic, not willing to submit to authority........etc

Romans 8,  14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.



 However we are told to meet together with other believers, in whatever form that may be, and there are actually many who do have a problem with godly authority. I have met some.  ::eek::

Agreed we are called to assemble together in the Lord's name, but does that necessarily mean meeting in an institutional setting, repeating the same tedious mantra? Or going to a house dedicated to a sect or way of thinking that oppose His Way? Or... does it mean for brethren to simply get together and fellowship in the Lord in the hope of growth? If so, why would you need an institution or sect for that? Wouldn't we want to fellowship with the Lord who resides outside the gates of Jerusalem?

Did the Lord really say in whatever form that may be, or did He through his apostles reveal how He would want us to assemble?

For the record I do have fellowship but it is under a big banyan tree in a park. Was it Steven  that reminded the Jews that the earth is The Lords footstool. What building shall you build for Him. As far as grand religious cathedrals and such  Jesus said the Jerusalem temple would be destroyed. Tradition can be so blinding.

I have fellowship with whom God brings across my path.
Where 2 or 3  are gathered in My name, there am I in the midst of them.
In My name means to me, being led by His Spirit.
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They only reformed, but we are to be transformed. 
You cannot put new wine in old wineskins.


They only reformed?  I think you might find it interesting to find out what it cost to break away and re-form a doctrine that pertains to eternity, God, and Jesus Christ.

History Link with video = The Reformation 
The reformation insured that old wine skin was never again.

The truth of God in Christ had to start somewhere.  ::smile::
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Theology Forum / Re: Anti Jewish Christianity?
« Last post by BornToReign on Today at 03:51:16 PM »
No, not personally. And they are in the wrong. I would say ignore them and they will flee. You keep on walking however God leads you.
God blessed you sister Gracey. ..... ::smile:: ::smile::


I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means!
For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.
Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
“Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”

But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day.”
And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,a stumbling block and a retribution for them;let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”

So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.
Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry
in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.
For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?
If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree,
do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.
Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”

That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience,
so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy.

For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
“For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
“Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
   -Romans 11:1-36


Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, from everlasting to everlasting!”
Then all the people said, “Amen!” and praised the LORD.

                                                                                                -1Ch. 16:36


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Buster wrote,

 I'm saying Gods grace reaches out to you, the blood of Christ covers your sins because he died to save you from the cloak of sin filled darkness that occupies this world. His light calls you home. And once you find the light why would you ever want to skulk back into the shadows anyway?
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Eternal security allows people to never really change.  God's grace is there; but our ongoing walk must be in Him. Now, I must admit that I have been ambiguous on my position here. While Christ said if you believe you have eternal life, he gave numerous warnings about falling away. Salvation can't be unconditional with all of the warnings. And, I now agree with others, that an apostate is someone who really believes and then falls away.
  That has always been what the apostate is defined as as far as I know.

We're not in disagreement here, as you can read in my prior post.  ::smile::
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Whose determination of the canon of Scripture is correct? Whose canon (e.g. Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Ethiopian) enjoys the best evidentiary support? E.g. internal and external attestation.

if these men regulated systems are all you can come up with none of them...  try again, they all have failed up to now...

don't leave God out of the equation...  men get a piece of the truth and gets excited and runs with it to support his agenda.  he will soon realize that the truth is very broad and at the very same time so narrow that it cannot be mistaken.  man can not determine or interpret the word.  all he has to do is study it (put himself before it) and God will do the rest. 

like an instructor preparing you for a test they drill you on it and you begin to hear and become familiar with truth.  God is truth how can we not understand when it is before us.  it is because we are already set in an agenda and we want to make truth fit it rather than fit ourselves to it...  when one tries to modify the truth it not only smells but looks and sounds disgusting... we know...  but we think all we have to do is fool those around us... we forget the one who has seen every act we have committed, heard every truth and lie we have spoken and heard every thought we have uttered as well as known every motive behind every energy we have committed to...

truth is easy to recognize, but you have to come out of your shell...  muslims won't, jews won't, most Christians won't, atheist won't and so on it goes...
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Where does the OT and NT apocrypha fit in? Some accept the OT apocrypha found in most Catholic Bibles. I have read the NT apocryphal book, the book of Enoch. It is mentioned in Jude.
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If we truly recognize that this thing we call Christianity is in Babylon since 4th and fifth  century AD until this very day Protestant and Catholic you must leave it. The problem is we are afraid to leave what has become our identity. I left it several years ago. I stopped going to church and became the church in that which we have been called. I have devoted my time and my resource to witness for Christ in word and in deed. For many to leave the box to walk with Christ is unthinkable. We will make every excuse to remain institutionalized by it. Those like myself will be tagged as no longer saved or some other thing. Yet we must leave Babylon once knowing.

Amen!

More label that I was called.....deceived, heretic, not willing to submit to authority........etc

Romans 8,  14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.



 However we are told to meet together with other believers, in whatever form that may be, and there are actually many who do have a problem with godly authority. I have met some.  ::eek::

Agreed we are called to assemble together in the Lord's name, but does that necessarily mean meeting in an institutional setting, repeating the same tedious mantra? Or going to a house dedicated to a sect or way of thinking that oppose His Way? Or... does it mean for brethren to simply get together and fellowship in the Lord in the hope of growth? If so, why would you need an institution or sect for that? Wouldn't we want to fellowship with the Lord who resides outside the gates of Jerusalem?

Did the Lord really say in whatever form that may be, or did He through his apostles reveal how He would want us to assemble?

For the record I do have fellowship but it is under a big banyan tree in a park. Was it Steven  that reminded the Jews that the earth is The Lords footstool. What building shall you build for Him. As far as grand religious cathedrals and such  Jesus said the Jerusalem temple would be destroyed. Tradition can be so blinding.
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Theology Forum / Re: losing heavenly rewards due to sinful living
« Last post by Barnabas93 on Today at 03:06:47 PM »
Buster wrote,

 I'm saying Gods grace reaches out to you, the blood of Christ covers your sins because he died to save you from the cloak of sin filled darkness that occupies this world. His light calls you home. And once you find the light why would you ever want to skulk back into the shadows anyway?
------------------

Eternal security allows people to never really change.  God's grace is there; but our ongoing walk must be in Him. Now, I must admit that I have been ambiguous on my position here. While Christ said if you believe you have eternal life, he gave numerous warnings about falling away. Salvation can't be unconditional with all of the warnings. And, I now agree with others, that an apostate is someone who really believes and then falls away.
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by Star of David on Today at 03:05:02 PM »
The reason that I consider myself a Catholic is simply and purely the fact that I was raised a Catholic.  Had I been born into a Protestant home, I have no doubt that I would still be a Protestant.

Christians who criticize other Christian denominations are short-sighted and are against the true nature of Christ, in my opinion.
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