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Theology Forum / Re: Nashville Statement
« Last post by Open Heart on Today at 15:20:45 »
Theologians engage in a battle like the SHELL GAME: The NUT, dear literate is under NEITHER shell.

1. Jacob CURSED the Levites and commanded the Abrahamic (Covenant) people NOT to attend their synagogues NOR enter into Covenant with theiir COVENANT given after the PLAY or LITURGY at Mount Sinai after which God turned them over to worship the starry host and sentenced them to captivity and death BACK in Syria or Babylon from which they CAME.
This is literally all over the place.  It makes no sense.  Jacob is from the time of the patriarchs.  He had a son named Levi--there was no tribe of Levites yet.  No one refers to any "Abrahamic people."  We are called Israel, or the People of Israel.  Synagogues did not exist at Mount Sinai.  The idea of praying as a substitute for sacrifices, which is what Synagogues are for, originated in the Babylonian Captivity.  What play or liturgy at Mt Sinai are you referring to????  When Israel turned to idolatry, it was largely the worship of a female goddess along with God, not "the starry host."  Israel never came from Syria or Babylon.  Abraham originally came from Ur, which was in Sumer, but Israel was from the Land of Canaan, the Promised Land.

Indeed, your first point was so incredibly confused, that I simply didn't bother to read the rest of your post.
The attached link is where it appears that most of stats came from:


What I posted, that was sent to me , came from.........

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1145188/pg1 so they copied from there. And even here some of the links do not work......BUT



Does have links that work IF you copy them into a new address bar.  Except some of them require further searching within like #7.

And the comments here seem to confirm many of the above with many of the same links.... (Baltimore Sun forums)


So while some can be confirmed through some of the links not all can.... yet.

Will see if I can trace this back to who sent to me....


thanks, I saw that many of the CNN transcript links still did not work, maybe 30% of overall links not working. 

but the links that work are valid.
Theology Forum / Re: Strong Women In Christian Homes
« Last post by Open Heart on Today at 14:56:14 »
Gen 3:16 . . and he shall rule over you.

That is probably one of the most hated verses in the whole Bible.
Of course it is.  It's the result of the fall, a part of our sinful nature. It's BAD.  It's like men having to toil over the earth by the sweat of their brow -- it's the result of sin, it's a horrible thing.  It's not what God intended.  No one questions the development of toil saving technology, or how wonderful it is that today we have far more leisure time because of technology.  So why gripe about the women's movement altering the culture to something more like paradise?
Sabbath 6/23/18 Seventh Day Baptist Edgewater Pastor Keith sermon “Freedom of Choice” Genesis 3:1-13

Adam & Eve had a choice to eat or not to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. There were plenty of other trees that had fruit that they could eat from. They were not hungry. God gave them a “Choice”. They could make choices to do evil or to do good. We all have the ability to make choices. We must make wise choices. Joshua said “choose this day who you will serve; but for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”. Prophet Elijah said to make a choice to worship and serve God or serve the idol Baal. Make a choice. Jesus said you cannot serve God and money. Make a choice.

Now that we have been set free from sin by accepting Jesus, we have made a choice. It is the wise choice of God. In our past we have all made bad choices and have sinned. The Bible says sin entered the world thru Adam and all have sinned. We must make the wise choice to follow God’s ways. We all have a tendency to make the wrong choices. We must take ownership of our own sins so then we can confess them. We must NOT blame someone else for the sinful choices we make ourselves. Adam blamed Eve for his sinful choice. Eve blamed the serpent for her sinful choice. Adam really blamed God because he said “God, this woman that YOU gave me, is the one who gave me the fruit”. People need to stop blaming others or God for their own sins. We are responsible for our sins and we are responsible for the outcome and consequences of our sins.

We need to tell people when we are wrong. We must say it was our fault and that we should not have done or said it. In Alcohol Anonymous meetings, they have to admit their addiction before the AA program will work. They say”Hi my name is Donald and I’m an alcoholic”.  We need to admit our sins to ourselves and God. Then we can repent and stop the behavior. The Church is a society of sinners. It is the only place where the sinner can get God’s Grace and cleansing of sin. We CAN choose to be forgiven. We CAN choose to live our lives a new way. We CAN choose to spend Eternity with God. We KNOW we have forgiveness when we come to Jesus Christ.

A small glass of wine can cause birth defects at the wrong time of pregnancy.
Let me say before I begin that I drank no wine during any of my pregnancies.  I didn't even drink coffee.

Can you please tell us PRECISELY when during the pregnancy a small glass of wine causes birth defects, what sort of birth defects this small glass of wine causes, and provide a scientific journal article that backs up your claim.
What about weed. I havent smoked that in over 20 plus years. I didnt smoke a lot and only now and again in my younger days. I have been thinking with all the countries going now to make it legal. When I’m retired sitting in the sun with some music going,  that it would be quite nice to maybe have a slice of some chocolate cake as I really dont like to smoke. Make the pains of my years of manual labor go away for a few hours. Sitting relaxing in the sun  thinking to myself , these are the last days of my life and i am going to enjoy them. praising God for his goodness. Not ripped but relaxed.

Whats so wrong with that. Maybe enjoy a nice glass of desert wine to go with my cake. Not every day

We need to think about what is good for us, and what the drug does to our mind and bodies. Weed use is illegal here thank goodness, but its so often, like alcohol, over used and misused and so many will drive and take drugs/drink as well.  Anything that alters the mind seems pretty dangerous to me.

It is so sad that arguments have to be given for the Bible approving of wine (which is not the same thing as approving of drunkenness).  Wine is discussed positively in both the Old and New Testaments.  Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine, and he drank wine at his Last Supper.  The arguments that this was "new wine" aka grape juice are laughable acts of desperation.

I am an alcohol and drug counselor.  I know all too well the devastating effects that alcohol can have.  But you can't ban a good thing just because it has a deleterious effect on some.  Should we ban peanut butter because some are deadly allergic?  Where does it stop?  Sugar causes more harm to a body than alcohol.  Shall Christians say that eating sugar is a sin against the Temple of the Holy Spirit?
Seventh Day Adventist Forum / Re: Roman politics
« Last post by Amo on Today at 13:53:10 »

How social workers can advance Catholic social teaching

Washington D.C., Nov 6, 2017 / 03:04 am (CNA/EWTN News).- How social workers can live their faith in the workplace was the focus of the latest annual conference of the Catholic Social Workers National Association.

“The association’s members … are united and called to live out the Gospel to carry out his mission, not only in our personal lives but professional as well,” president and co-founder Kathleen Neher told CNA Nov. 1.

“We share a common belief, which is to bring forth a culture of life by promoting the Catholic social teachings in the area of social work and in keeping with and faithful to the magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church.”

The association’s annual conference began Nov. 3 in in Washington D.C. at the Franciscan Monastery of the Holy Land in America. The group of professionals and students seek to have their occupation guided by the teachings of the Church. The organization also acts as a place of Catholic formation and source of spiritual strength.

In collaboration with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the group answers ethical questions regarding field practices and educates Catholics on what legislation is supported by the Church.

Neher said the association’s members gather annually “to network, pray and learn about current developments in their practice” with lectures on a wide variety of professions.

She said the goal of the conference is “to educate members on recent developments, gather Catholic social workers who don’t normally have a way to express their faith and beliefs in an accepting forum, and to celebrate our faith as we are united with the Catholic Church.”

Founded in 2005, the association’s members work in government agencies, health clinics, faith-based organizations and universities. They often work with the most vulnerable: immigrants, addicts, veterans, pregnant women, children and the poor.

Neher said the association members want their clients to see them as representatives of St. Louis de Marillac, someone who cares deeply about moral and social problems and as “someone whose step they listen for as we go about serving their needs,” in his words.

Auxiliary Bishop Timothy Senior of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia is an episcopal liaison to the group. He told CNA that a social worker’s profession is aligned to the Gospel’s description of charity: to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and visit the imprisoned.

Although works of mercy are part of the job for social workers, Bishop Senior said, it is still the role of all the laity to be a light of faith in the world.

“To have Catholics living their faith, that is something we want in every profession,” he said. “We want Catholics committing Catholics to be missionary disciples, as Pope Francis has called us all to be as a Church perpetually on mission.”

However, for the social worker, dealing regularly with intractable social problems is exhausting and challenging, In the bishop’s view, the organization is a source of spiritual and intellectual support.

“Social workers work hard and you are dealing with problems all the time and there is no way you can do that without finding some resource for life and refreshment,” he reflected. “We have ready access to that in our faith.”

In his role within the association, Bishop Senior will provide answers for members who struggle with a specific approach of an agency or have ethical questions on a certain practice in the field.

The association also informs its members on current legal issues. It advocates for laws in defense of human dignity.“Our advocacy is grounded in Catholic social teaching and the teaching of the Church. Information is shared on a regular basis on issues that are impacting and of concern to social workers, such as religious freedom, sexuality and gender issues,” Neher told CNA.

Catholic social teaching is not only for Catholics, Bishop Senior said, but it envisions a just system he hopes would be made available for anyone.

“Catholic social workers are committed to implementing that vision for a just society, for the respect for human life, or addressing people in extreme poverty and their needs,” he said.

As is obvious from the above article, Catholics living their faith and being missionaries, includes implementing the churches social doctrines and teachings through legislation in their perspective areas. Again, this is nothing new, this is the papacy doing what it has always done as soon as opportunity provides. Its ultimate goal is always to make itself the dominant force in and of government to establish itself through the rule of national or international law, rather than through the Holy Spirit of God by way of conviction and conversion. A course truly opposed to the teachings and living example of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and the true church which He established.
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