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Catholic Forum / Re: where is mary now?
« Last post by TRUTH BE TOLD on Yesterday at 11:38:27 PM »
Before anyone uses the verse

to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord


we are not absent this body until in the twinkle of an eye we will be changed from corruptible to incorruptible and the dead shall rise 1st and those who still alive at his coming shall be caught up with them to be with jesus forever more
1Cor 15:42-

of course this is what paul tells us to wait for with him 2thes 1:7

that we which are alive and remain until his coming shall not stop them which are asleep (dead) 1thes 4; 15-16
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Catholic Forum / Re: where is mary now?
« Last post by kensington on Yesterday at 11:34:17 PM »
Paul said, "To be absent from the body is to be present from the Lord."

The body is at rest, sleeping awaiting the resurrection.  The soul is indeed in the presence of the Lord awaiting to be reunited with the resurrected glorified body in Heaven.

Mary too...  is at rest, waiting for the Rapture and to be reunited with her body in Heaven. Peace.
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Movie Reviews Forum / Re: God's Not Dead
« Last post by Goshin on Yesterday at 11:07:01 PM »

True, many atheists love to spend a great deal of time and negative energy discussing religion.

To call it negative energy depends on your point of view, it is an important and interesting subject.

Negative energy describes the content of their message.

When a Christian tries to spread the Word of God, it is, in essence, an effort to save the persons soul, and a positive endeavor.

Why is it so important to someone who doesn't believe in God to impose their belief (or lack of) on, and try to belittle the belief of, someone who does? To equate their belief in God to Santa or the flying spaghetti monster, and in essence, an effort to make them look stupid. Is that an outlet of positive energy?


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Christian Singles Forum / Re: Shy, Sheltered Christian Girl I like. (See Below)
« Last post by Goshin on Yesterday at 10:31:33 PM »
Why should approaching her be different than any other girl? Just treat her with respect, act like a gentleman, and use good manners.

She might not want to go to a movie, a bar, club, etc, but if she likes you would probably be open to going out for coffee, lunch, etc. Somewhere there are other people around and she won't feel ill at ease till you get to know one another better. Let her meet you someplace so she can leave if she wants and not feel trapped.

Christian girls do go out on dates, that's usually how they end up getting married. It's not arranged from birth.
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Borrowing some words from a past U.S. President, here it depends on what the definition of is is.

I am not really interested in what presidents said .

I am more interested in what Jesus said .

Jesus said : " This is my body-τοῦτό ἐστιν τὸ σῶμά μου. "  ::amen!::

ἐστιν means is .

On the planet I live on is means is .  ::tippinghat::

If you want to force a literal interpretation everywhere the word "is" is found, then you will run into a world of trouble with the Bible. "Is" can be used in metaphors and it needs to be understood that way at times.

Interesting, please share the examples and we can ponder them.

When I said "is" earlier, I should have said "this is."

The same can be said for "I am" and "you are." I was going to post those passages from John, but MIZ83 took care of it.

In Luke 22:20, we read, And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

Do you want to apply the same kind of literalness to the cup here that you do otherwise in this context with the bread and the fruit of the vine?

Actually, yes, yes we do.  We believe that the Eucharist exists under two forms: under the form of bread and under the form of wine.  Both are consecrated on our altars at every mass.

In Luke 22:17-18, Jesus identifies the contents of the cup as fruit of the vine:
And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”

In 1 Corinthians 11:17-22, Paul admonishes the Corinthians because of their mistreatment of one another in their abuse of the Lord's Supper. Folks were using the Supper as a common meal and not partaking with one another in the spirit and for the purpose it was intended. The point being that the contents of the Supper was food items, not literal flesh and blood.

The Eucharist is the fulfillment of what Jesus said.  It is his real body, real blood, real soul and real divinity sacramentally present under the form of bread or of wine.  To the person drinking them, they seem like bread and they seem like wine, but sacramentally, they are what the Word says they are, which are his real body and real blood. We believe this by faith.

John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Having said all of that, what needs to be addressed is why the insistence of requiring the bread to be literal flesh and the fruit of the vine to be literal blood. What is it about the purpose of the Lord's Supper that literal body parts have to be eaten? If what you believe is true, then the purpose of the Supper has become something else entirely. I don't believe Jesus would have us eat His literal body parts if the Supper is chiefly a memorial and a proclamation. Literal bread and fruit of the vine can satisfy this purpose.

The Lord's supper is not chiefly a memorial, according to how we commonly understand that term.  The word in the Greek is "anamnesis" which is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word "Zikkaron".  Commonly translated "memorial" or "remembrance" they actually mean something more, they mean to make something that happened in the past truly present as if it was happening right now.  The Passover meal was an "anamnesis" held each year to "remember" the original passover and to make it spiritually present as if it was happening right then for those partaking in it.

The mass is the anamnesis of the Last Supper and Calvary and the Resurrection, which altogether comprise the sacrifice of Jesus for the Salvation of our souls.  The same body and blood present in the Eucharist of the Last Supper becomes present upon our altars.  Just as their bread and wine retained that form though Jesus changed it sacramentally into his body, so does ours, which makes Jesus truly and really present in the Blessed Sacrament which we call the Eucharist.

Jesus is the fruit of the true Tree of Life which is His Cross, the true fruit which if we eat of it, we will have life everlasting.  Genesis 3:22, John 6:50.

It seems to me that if what you believe is true, we would read a lot more about it in the New Testament. There is nothing in the Bible that teaches that the Lord's Supper is the consumption of Jesus' actual flesh and His actual blood. For those who understand the passages in question as being figurative language, there is nothing found anywhere that teaches the Lord's Supper to be the consumption of literal flesh and blood.

The Lord's Supper is present in all three synoptic gospels.  The institution narrative is conspicuously not present in John's Gospel, but the Bread of Life discourse is only mentioned there, which could easily make one wonder if John was not intentionally presenting it in place of the Last Supper.  Paul mentions the Lord's Supper in 1 Corinthians and talks about how if one eats it unworthily he is guilty of sinning against the body and blood of Our Lord, something that he would not have said about simple bread and wine.  But my favorite passage about the Mass and the Eucharist is the walk to Emmaus, in which Jesus disappears from sight but is recognized in the breaking of the bread.  Invisible Jesus, recognized in the breaking of the bread.

Not to mention the universal attestation and belief of the Fathers of the Church, which were the first recipients of the teaching of the apostles and those charged with handing on the faith first after the apostles.  I could quote them in extensive measure here, it is fascinating stuff from the 1st and 2nd centuries.

This is a deep truth of the Christian faith that many Christians have slowly forgotten or moved away from but that the Catholic Church has always taught and has preserved.

I  can't understand how people who can believe that a virgin actually gave birth to a baby boy, that this same boy grew up and made wine from water, fed thousands of people on a few loaves of bread and some fish, raised some folks from the dead, and then he himself was crucified and also rose from the dead - just can't seem to believe in the "Real Presence" of this same man in the Holy and Sacred thing called the Eucharist, that he himself told us who follow him, that it was him, and we should partake of him, in remembrance of him. ??? 

 
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Theology Forum / Re: A Body Adapted For Eternity
« Last post by Reformer on Yesterday at 09:57:48 PM »

   Curtis, in the same way to come to our Lord while in the flesh, with a bowed heart, spirit, and mind.

Buff
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Movie Reviews Forum / Re: God's Not Dead
« Last post by Cosmic Mastermind on Yesterday at 09:57:38 PM »

True, many atheists love to spend a great deal of time and negative energy discussing religion.

To call it negative energy depends on your point of view, it is an important and interesting subject.
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                           Hi All :)

There is this Christian Girl I like a lot. We work in the same town, but different offices, but our companies interact a lot.

How do I get to know her and ask her out on a date?

She is single.

She knows who I am, but when she is around me she is very shy and when we talk on the phone (business related, etc) she is very shy. My friends also say she is very sheltered.

She seems to like when I talk with her, but seems reluctant to go on a date, or lunch.

Is there a way I can hang out with her or get to know her better in order to get some one on one face time in order to get to know her better.

Talking on the phone is nice, but I would like to tell her how I feel and just get to know her better via face to face interaction.

Like I've mentioned she is very shy and sheltered.


Thank you All :)

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Theology Forum / Re: If you were asked
« Last post by Curtis on Yesterday at 09:27:58 PM »
Is not a "disciple" someone who learns from another?

Perhaps more like from the Master Himself ?

I would not want it anyother way.
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Theology Forum / Re: Our Divisive Dilemma
« Last post by Reformer on Yesterday at 09:27:49 PM »

   I will affirm that all "churchy" religions are the offspring of what our Lord founded, and therefore part of our overall apostasy.

Buff
How can you affirm this?

   Thanks for bringing this mistake to my attention. I left out the "not." It should read, "I will affirm that all 'churchy' religions are not the offspring of what our Lord founded, and therefore part of our overall apostasy.

Buff
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