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Theology Forum / Re: Performing Baptisms
« Last post by e.r.m. on Today at 10:16:03 AM »
It makes sense.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Choke point stradegy
« Last post by Nevertheless on Today at 10:14:59 AM »
Quote from: from link
FDIC’s List of “High-Risk” Merchants
  • Ammunition Sales
  • Coin Dealers
  • Credit Card Marketing
  • Firearms Sales
  • Fireworks Sales
  • Gambling
  • Home Based Charities
  • Multi-Level Marketing
  • Pharmaceutical Sales
  • Short-term Loans
  • Telemarketing
  • Tobacco Sales
  • Travel Clubs

As you may or may not know, Hubby and I are coin dealers. A couple of months ago we got a letter from our bank saying something to the effect that we are high risk for money laundering(without using that phrase) and that we someone would be calling to make an appointment with us. When they called they asked some rather generic questions about our money handling policies, if we accept 3rd party checks, (no) and do we track customers who pay with large amounts of cash. In answer to the last one, Hubby assured them that we file Form 8300 Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a Trade or Business whenever necessary, and that was all they wanted to know. "Okay, that's fine, I don't have to fill out any more paperwork on you then."

Based on my experience, there is more to the story than is being told in those links.
Quote from: from one link
The Department of Justice and FDIC are now targeting at least 24 merchants by threatening bank officials with increased scrutiny and administrative subpoenas if they do not completely sever banking relationships with companies in these industries.
Quote from: from another link
Brian Wise, who helped create the U.S. Consumer Coalition to shed light on the abuses of Operation Choke Point, remained skeptical in comments to the Washington Times:

While we support the FDIC’s decision to remove the list of ‘high-risk merchants’ from the FDIC website, damage has already been done to countless businesses across the country who have already lost their bank accounts.

I don't know about you, but I can count to 24. Sounds like some exaggeration and sensationalism to me.
Christian Singles Forum / Re: Should I Feel Called?
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 10:06:49 AM »
(I'm the original poster, again here)

I will leave it to each reader to determine my credibility here, but I have absolutely felt moments of terror even at this age.  I said to my dad today on a slightly different topic, "I have never been alone," and that I have run into meaningful friendships when least expected.

Terror is the number one reason I even give this topic thought.  That's a bad reason, and my responsible response has been to wrestle with whether a commitment to a relationship is a calling, in a spiritual sense.

What actually gives you such terror?
Theology Forum / Re: Performing Baptisms
« Last post by JohnDB on Today at 10:05:34 AM »
Since it was originally something that originated from the priests in the order of service of actually having anything to do with priestly functions such as offerings,  sacrifices, scripture sharing, and forgiveness of sins in the Old Testament Temple wouldn't it stand to be reasonable that any priest (priesthood of every believer) is sufficient to perform this?

End Times Forum / Re: What Verses Support Amillennialism?
« Last post by soterion on Today at 10:00:52 AM »

Can you show how Jesus could be High Priest right now, but not yet on David's throne? If you acknowledge that He is on the throne of David, in fulfillment of O.T. prophecy (such as Psalm 110), then you might have to acknowledge that your interpretation of Revelation is incorrect.

Jesus at the right hand of the Father on David's throne right now cannot be construed as reigning with a rod of iron over the nations on earth right now. Rev. 2.26,27 says the overcomers will reign over the nations. Are the presidents and prime ministers of the nations Christians? Probably not a one of them.

Satan is the god of this world for now. How can it be said the god of this world is in the pit now? But at the end of the 1000 years he is let loose for a short while, so that makes the millennium have to be before the New City, but also after the church age.

No other option is permitted.

Actually, there is another option.

Like I said before, you may have to consider your approach to Revelation may not be correct, and that is keeping you from seeing what the rest of the scriptures are saying about the kingdom and Christ's present reign, as well as what the future holds.

Consider the following:

1. In Psalm 110, Jesus is to sit at God's right hand (v.1), He is to rule until His enemies are made His footstool (v.1), His scepter will be stretched over Zion as He rules in the midst of His enemies (v.2), the people will volunteer in the day of His power (v.3), He will be a priest during this rule (v.4), He will shatter kings and judge the nations, etc. while at God's right hand (vv.5-7).

2. In Psalm 2, Jesus is to be opposed by the rulers (vv.1-3), God in heaven scoffs at their attempts to stop His plan (vv.4-5), God sets up Jesus as King on Zion (vv.6-7), the King is given everything as His possession (v.8), the King will oppose His enemies with a rod of iron (v.9), the people are encouraged to worship the King and to take refuge in Him (vv.10-12).

3. Acts 2:22-36 and 4:24-28 and Hebrews 1:5 & 13 all quote from these two Psalms to describe their having already been fulfilled in Christ.

4. If Christ is presently High Priest, and He is, then He is now seated on David's throne over His kingdom as prophesied and promised. Even Zechariah 6:12-13 describes the fact of the Messiah's rule on the throne in the capacity of both King and Priest. David's throne and His priesthood go together.

5. In 1 Corinthians 15:23-28, Christ is to rule until His enemies are made a footstool for His feet. The last enemy is death. When He has abolished all of His enemies, He will deliver the kingdom to God in heaven. This is a point you seem to miss. Between Psalm 110 and 1 Corinthians 15, there is no other kingdom to be set up. When Christ returns, the kingdom, as it exists now in fulfillment of prophecy, will end and be given to God in heaven. No other kingdom will be established on the earth because no other kingdom has been prophesied.

Here is something to consider about Revelation: the prophecy is bookended with words about the nearness of it's fulfillment (1:1-3 and 22:6 & 10). I don't know about you, but if somebody gave me a letter describing certain amazing and cataclysmic events to take place in the future, and if it said at the beginning and end that these things will take place shortly and that the time is at hand, I would not project everything to thousands of years in the future. This was written to seven churches and I have no doubt they believed those things were all to take place soon after their hearing about them.

The problem we all have is how all of that stuff was to be fulfilled. However else you may want to apply Revelation, just don't let your interpretation of it contradict everything else that is written about Christ and His reign over His kingdom.
Theology Forum / Re: Performing Baptisms
« Last post by e.r.m. on Today at 09:58:44 AM »
All in all, it appears scripturally  that any baptized disciple of Jesus can baptize another.
Theology Forum / Re: Just reading the bible and I read this?
« Last post by jojo50 on Today at 09:50:05 AM »
yes, traditional teachings...OF MAN!,  is that ALL good goes to HEAVEN. That was NEVER the teachings from the righteous men of old. Those who worship the God of Israel, Jehovah ,(Exo. 6:3 and Psa. 83:18). the bible clearly shows ONLY a few have that Heavenly calling, despite the false teaching. 144,000 to be exact ,(Rev. 7:1-4  ,Rev. 14:1-3). and despite people believing those in Heaven would be living somewhat the way they lived on earth, but only peaceful, they're wrong.

These new Angels will have a job to do. They will rule with Jesus OVER the earth of righteous survivors ,(Rev. 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth). And (Psa. 37:9-11). which the earth WILL NOT be destroyed as MANY are taught to believe ,(Eccle. 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever). MANY believe the righteous dead at their death, went straight to Heaven, they didn't.

They had to wait on Jesus to enter Heaven first ,(Matt. 27:50-53 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many).

Jehovah God as well as Jesus made known to all those who DID have that Heavenly calling ,(Luke 22:29,30  ,1Pet. 2:9). we don't actually know whether David is in Heaven of waiting resurrection. Just because his tomb was still to be seen, didn't mean he didn't have that calling. David's body wouldn't have been in the tomb by the time Paul was born anyway, He would have been dust. peace
Christian Singles Forum / Re: Should I Feel Called?
« Last post by JohnDB on Today at 09:49:06 AM »
This is a final post from me, the original poster.   I have read all of the replies.  Thank you each for the honest responses. I honestly believe that if I wanted to, I could get a date and companionship.  As I said with a bit of laughter in the original post, I may or may not be a social wreck.  I honestly don't think so.  I am happy.  I am not compelled to pursue a relationship.  I do have fellowship. 

This is an absolute reversal of what you originally posted.


As for whether I should feel a spiritual calling on my life to pursue a relationship, it sounds like the group consensus falls more in line with fulfilling a natural desire for full-time companionship.

And in this day and age I would be very very scared of agreeing with the consensus. Every time in biblical history this happened it was bad news for the nation as a whole.

  Folks, I honestly don't have that desire.  Nor do I feel that I should have or raise kids.  I can't relate to the majority of people who have those desires.  So I agree that if a pastor were to accuse me of selfish motives, I'd respond with confusion.

Not being able to relate to a desire and being a social wreck (which I don't believe I am) are two different things.

Thanks to those of you who clearly answered the question, and who gave me something serious to think about.   ::amen!::

And this is precisely what I was referring to in my post to you. You feel no need to become intimately involved in anyone's life. This is exactly 180 degrees counter to the gospel message and model provided to you by Jesus and all apostles and disciples. The whole concept of leaving a legacy to future generations unknown to you or the concept of having your own children to raise up to become spiritual leaders in their community long after you are gone is as alien to you as owning a fourth arm or having a purpose for a horn growing in the middle of your forehead.

And this widespread and rampant lack is going to be the cause of the final eschaton.
Preterist Forum / Re: Is the apostle John in heaven?
« Last post by LetGodBeTrue on Today at 09:34:52 AM »
AVZ, you do always misunderstand what we are saying because you put words into our mouths.

I never said that Caiaphas would see a spiritual Jesus on a spiritual throne.  Reread what I posted.  I SAID they would "see" that judgment had come upon them from God (Jesus had called Himself that God and that is why they rent their clothes).  The mention by Jesus of clouds did NOT conjure in the minds of Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin fluffy cumulus formations in the sky.  Again, you are forcing your western thought into the minds of those JEWS of that day.  They did not think like you.

Theology Forum / Re: John 10.28
« Last post by soterion on Today at 08:51:12 AM »

All I am saying is that people have and retain free choice with regard to who their Lord is. This faith and belief that are always contrasted from works is exactly what I am talking about when it comes to our choice. A person can freely choose to come to God through faith in Jesus and the same person later decide to give up Christ because he chooses to place his faith elsewhere. Scripture describes such things, as has been shown. In the same way, scripture does not describe that only those who will not completely fall away will initially receive God's gift of salvation in Christ. He gives it to all who come to Him in faith, regardless of any future choices any person might make. You can try and argue that any who may fall away (as in being severed from Christ) never truly had faith to begin with, but you'll get no support from scripture in such a claim.

BTW, you can keep arguing against a works based salvation all you want; I'll agree with you. Changing masters is not a matter of works, but of faith.
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