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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Alternative facts
« Last post by Jd34 on Today at 10:17:11 AM »
I think people are confusing the the term  "alternative fact" with alternative to a fact as in that ten year olds assessment  in that vid.

Good analogy mommydy !
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Alternative facts
« Last post by crowcamp on Today at 10:16:37 AM »
I have heard the term used before when discussing the double slit experiment.

As in discussing wave light theory?  Key word- theory?

Facts build theories so in the double slit experiment it is fact that light is observed to behave has a particle. It is also fact that it is observed as wave function.  So which alternative fact is true.

I guess you can say God is a theory too. But for me, it is fact that God is the Father. It is fact that God is the Son. It is fact that God is the Holy Spirit.

Ummm sounds like "alternative facts" may be a good way to  describe the Trinity theory.

Theories are not necessarily falsehoods.

I'd say you could use "alternative facts" to describe anything that's yet to be proven as fact. That does not equal fact; just opinion. As for the double slit experiment, still a theory, so neither is fact; alternative or otherwise.

And as to God, you say, "But for me".......... fact. In your own words, you acknowledge your "facts" are personal opinion. Now, for me, God is fact, but I recognize He is not for many, and I cannot definitively sway them to His being fact, but hope to lead them from total denial of belief, or theoretical thinking, to discovery of fact for themselves. By His own design, it takes faith to reach fact. No alternatives required.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Alternative facts
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 10:16:13 AM »


Fact - The glass is half empty. It's obvious to the naked eye.





Alternative fact - The glass is half full. It's obvious to the naked eye.


Even though both statements claim opposite positions - they're both facts.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: "God bless America" Is that Biblical?
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 10:16:04 AM »
We are called to "make disciples"...where do those disciples come from but the world, Mc.

The world we are not to love is the sin,
the world we are to love (because God so loved it) is the people that are lost and in desperate need of Christ.
Two different things and you are trying to seem super spiritual about it.

Yes, we are told to make disciples, not find them.

Im sorry.  What do you mean by this?

There are far too many who believe that we don't make disciples, God makes disciples;  and all we really need to do is to find them.  But Jesus seems to have said otherwise.  The "great commission" in Matthew 28 says otherwise.  Not only does it depend upon the individual who might be made a disciple it depends on our making them disciples.  The ministry of Jesus was mostly about the training up of the eleven [twelve minus Judas] to go about making disciples. We learn from the historical record of his doing that, but a major part of his ministry was training of His apostles.

Well, I agree and I disagree.  We *can't* *make* anyone believe or walk or deny self, but we *can* give an answer for the hope in us, expose people to godly teaching and example...and then, we must leave the outcome of all of that in the hands of God, who is the one who moves on the heart and ultimately saves.

Mat 28:18  Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Mat 28:19  Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20  and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


Highlights are mine.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: "God bless America" Is that Biblical?
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 10:12:38 AM »
You find disciple "candidates" that are receptive to the gospel. Our task is not to go out and find disciples that already exist and warehouse them. We are to MAKE new disciples.

AMEN ! !
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Alternative facts
« Last post by mommydi on Today at 10:07:05 AM »
A man inherits money from his parents. The money is deposited into his bank account. It's legally his money now.
He goes to the car lot and buys a car - using only the money he inherited, but now his, to purchase the car.

He writes a check and says "I paid for my new car." That's a fact. He did pay for his new car. He wrote a check and paid for a new car with money from his own account that was rightfully his.
Alternative fact-
He says "My parents paid for my new car." That's also a fact. His parents, through death, provided the money to pay for his new car that he wouldn't have been able to buy without the inheritance.

Like Alan said - there's evidence to support both alternative facts in this situation.












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Christian Politics Forum / Re: "God bless America" Is that Biblical?
« Last post by Jaime on Today at 10:00:17 AM »
You find disciple "candidates" that are receptive to the gospel. Our task is not to go out and find disciples that already exist and warehouse them. We are to MAKE new disciples.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Alternative facts
« Last post by Jd34 on Today at 09:54:20 AM »
I have heard the term used before when discussing the double slit experiment.

As in discussing wave light theory?  Key word- theory?

Facts build theories so in the double slit experiment it is fact that light is observed to behave has a particle. It is also fact that it is observed as wave function.  So which alternative fact is true.

I guess you can say God is a theory too. But for me, it is fact that God is the Father. It is fact that God is the Son. It is fact that God is the Holy Spirit.

Ummm sounds like "alternative facts" may be a good way to  describe the Trinity theory.

Theories are not necessarily falsehoods.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: "God bless America" Is that Biblical?
« Last post by MeMyself on Today at 09:53:32 AM »
To make them, don't you have to find them first????::shrug::

Right? ::headscratch::
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: "God bless America" Is that Biblical?
« Last post by MeMyself on Today at 09:51:39 AM »
We are called to "make disciples"...where do those disciples come from but the world, Mc.

The world we are not to love is the sin,
the world we are to love (because God so loved it) is the people that are lost and in desperate need of Christ.
Two different things and you are trying to seem super spiritual about it.

Yes, we are told to make disciples, not find them.

Im sorry.  What do you mean by this?

There are far too many who believe that we don't make disciples, God makes disciples;  and all we really need to do is to find them.  But Jesus seems to have said otherwise.  The "great commission" in Matthew 28 says otherwise.  Not only does it depend upon the individual who might be made a disciple it depends on our making them disciples.  The ministry of Jesus was mostly about the training up of the eleven [twelve minus Judas] to go about making disciples. We learn from the historical record of his doing that, but a major part of his ministry was training of His apostles.

Well, I agree and I disagree.  We *can't* *make* anyone believe or walk or deny self, but we *can* give an answer for the hope in us, expose people to godly teaching and example...and then, we must leave the outcome of all of that in the hands of God, who is the one who moves on the heart and ultimately saves.

I was talking about this with one of my grown up children just the other day. I have a wandering one and it has rocked me to the core, because I *diligently* worked to make all of my children disciples...and to have one say, "yeah, no thanks, Ma" is *killing me!!!

I have had a serious crisis of faith over it, actually.

But, God said to me "Come lets reason together" and I started asking myself hard questions about my goal as a mother, who sincerely and rightly desires her children to walk in truth.
What *was* my motive, really? (gulp.)
What *was* it that God required of me...really?

I came to the conclusion that it was not *my* job to save them, but to teach them and give them the tools to know how to forge a relationship with God one their own.  I did that.  They know the Word, they know how important prayer is, they know that we are to do everything for His glory and they know Truth.

Its up to them and God when that takes root and springs forth with new, mature life.

Happily, I get to report that my wandering lamb is SEEKING God again!!!  Its not a full turn around...yet, but I believe God is making good on His promise that those that seek Him with all of their hearts will find Him.
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