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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by kensington on Today at 10:48:32 AM »
"God be merciful to me a sinner"  (Luke 18:13)

Exactly, this is what a sinners prayer is. 

Whoever said there was no sinners prayer in the Bible? 
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by kensington on Today at 10:45:23 AM »

"that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"  (Romans 10:9)

The only reason it is called the sinners prayer is that it is usually the first time a sinner has heard and received the Gospel of Jesus and sought to be saved.  In prayer they confess Jesus as Lord and seek to be saved. 

It's simple and to the point.  WE have nothing to do with it, the Holy Spirit draws them, and causes them to seek further relationship once they have confessed Him as Lord.  There is  nothing wrong with the sinners prayer, persay...  I prayed a sinners prayer of repentance and confessed Jesus as Lord.  I was saved right then. I have been saved going on 35 years and that same prayer that sinners pray to confess Jesus as Lord, has kept me. 

I would think as a sinners repents of his sins, and receives Jesus as Lord, he would be compelled by the Holy Spirit to say so and to speak to God at that time for forgiveness.  That is the sinner praying that he might be saved.  Thus... the sinner's prayer.

It's not too complicated, it's not that difficult that the church needs to dissect it and presume to denounce something that has been working for a long time.  The Romans road is a basic way for someone to learn to help someone not saved to become saved. And if they believe, and receive, then they repent and we can help the sinner to pray asking for forgiveness and confessing Jesus as Lord. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. 
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I'll be praying for you, its best that you not communicate with her for awhile because these things take time. Don't worry though, God will provide you with the right person for you. Someone who is strong in her faith so you will be able to support each other in your journey through life.
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Theology Forum / Re: Why did God favor Jacob over Esau?
« Last post by Red Baker on Today at 10:38:36 AM »
Since the "red headed" spear chucker Esau

Tyler, that was the best thing going for him.
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Theology Forum / Re: so why do some churches are...
« Last post by Charlie24 on Today at 10:36:57 AM »
I agree with you totally. We are saved by Grace through faith, and no amount of keeping laws will save anyone. Many are saved by saying the sinners prayer. I am glad that you left that church.

Chosenone I believe you are correct about the sinners prayer. There is an example by Jesus in Luke. This man went to his house justified and wasn't even baptized.

Luke 18:9-14

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by e.r.m. on Today at 10:36:44 AM »
Julabee Jones,
I respect how much credit you give baptism according to Romans 6. You really gave it consideration.
I find it intriguing/perplexing that you separate the death of the old man crucified on the cross with forgiveness.
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Apologetics Forum / Re: Is it ever okay to lie or deceive?
« Last post by chapmic on Today at 10:31:53 AM »
No, it is not okay. Deception is not needed.
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by e.r.m. on Today at 10:31:11 AM »
mclees8,

I agree that Jesus needed to direct Nicodemus to the things of the Spirit and start thinking on a spiritual level.
Being saved is in part understanding Jesus, but being saved is also having one's sins forgiven and receiving the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9).
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Lost
« Last post by chapmic on Today at 10:30:38 AM »
You are not beyond Lost, that is what makes God so Great. The enemy is bombarding you with Lies to make you feel this way. You can win, this battle God hears your cries and is already pleased you posted here for help. The present is a gift, God is great because there is still time for Healing and reconciliation. Pray to him and go to church. Read the Gospels, understand that you have been engaging a spiritual battle for most of your life. Think about it this way, the devil is bombarding you with these lies because he is afraid of how powerful you will become once you are on God's side. God uses those who been thru difficult situations to show his glory. Learn what God's will is and do what is right even though your emotional state is telling you that you won't like it. Your body wants to stay in its comfort zone so it will not like it at first but Jesus is the Truth and everyone who seeks him is never disappointed. It's hard to comprehend sometimes how good he is but trust me you will not regret it. Step out on Faith, I will be praying for you!
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Theology Forum / Re: Why did God favor Jacob over Esau?
« Last post by Red Baker on Today at 10:24:40 AM »
These twins were different
What made them different?  Hint~1 Corinthians 4:7~ Whatever difference is made among men, is of God; it is he that makes them to differ from the rest of the creation; from angels, to whom they are inferior; and from beasts, to whom they are superior; and from one another in their person, size, shape, and countenance, which is a physical, or natural difference. It is God that makes them to differ from one another in things of a civil nature; as kings and subjects, masters and servants, high and low, rich and poor, bond and free, which may be called a political, or civil difference; and there is an ecclesiastical difference which God makes in his own people, who have gifts differing one from another; there are diversities of gifts, administrations, and operations among them, and all from the same spirit: but the grand distinction God has made among men, lies in his special, distinguishing, and everlasting love to some, and not others; in his choice of them in Christ unto everlasting salvation; in the gift of them to Christ in the eternal covenant; in the redemption of them by his blood; in his powerful and prevalent intercession for them; in God's effectual calling of them by his grace; in his resurrection of them from the dead to everlasting life, placing them at Christ's right hand, and their entrance into everlasting glory; when the distinction will be kept up, as in the above instances, throughout the endless ages of eternity; all which is owing, not to anything of man's, but to the free grace, sovereign will, and good pleasure of God. John Gill~1700's

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Let's keep in mind that Isaac especially loved Esau, while Jacob was mother's darling.

What difference does this make, as far as the subject at hand?  None whatsoever.

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Esau was a man's man-- no doubt the "pottage" that sissy boy was preparing came from the venison kill of Esau's bow

So what?  This only proves that God chooses the weak over the strong, so that no flesh can glory in his sight.  1 Corinthians 1:26-31

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Jacob demanded that first, Esau sell to him his birthright. So, Esau made a decision; no doubt his hunger at the moment out ranked his birthright.
Having FREE WILL to do so, he swore an oath to sell his birthright.

Your words are proving more than you care for them to do! Profaned Esau proved that his god was his belly! Philippians 3:19 All unregenerate men live according to their depraved wills which are in bondage to devil and their wicked lust. It is free to act the only way that it can act~a servant to their lust and their father the devil, and the lust of their father they will do.

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To say that God "favored" Jacob over Esau is a way to say that God "foreordained Jacob,"

The only reason why Jacob loved and fear God, was by the truth that God indeed foreordained him to desire spiritual blessings over earth's temporal vanities, or else, he too, would have no desire or ability to love and serve God.

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Now, you know, if you have followed the line of Abraham, that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the New Testament made between God, and His Christ at Calvary.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ; and genealogies have no place in Christianity. ( Galatians 3:27; 1 Timothy 1:4).
A man who hears the gospel of Jesus Christ and rejects (sells), he too, has sold out his birthright by choice.

Agreed~but I will add this, which you left out: BUT, as many as hear and believe do so, because they were ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE! So said the Holy Ghost through Luke.

Acts 13:48

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  "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed..
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