re: Reply #114. to RB In Acts 19:2 Paul asks the Ephesian Christians, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? Whenever I've read that, I've always understood that Paul was asking them if they had been baptized in the Holy Spirit since they had gotten saved.
Well now, you still have not learned how to read the scriptures, and then
give the sense that you and those that hear you can understand the reading of the scriptures.
Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed
Means, have you received the knowledge of
the indwelling Spirit~which is a promise to the seed of Jesus Christ. These believers had only been baptised by John's baptism, which truly was the SAME baptism of post-Christ's death, which with only ONE exception~which all baptism's post-Pentecost,
the PROMISE of the Spirit had come, and with that
the teaching that ALL who are born of God "Immediately"
are indwelt with the holy Spirit in the new man.
RB, I would just say to you by the Holy Ghost that if you do not remember the circumstances of your regeneration and do not have a tesimony about it, then chances are you were never saved;
Well now, Mr. Pharisees, you need to learn the difference between regeneration and conversion,
of which I vividly remembered!
John 3:8~"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit"
I believe Jesus, and you would be wise to do the same. Conversion and regeneration are NOT the same, they are two different doctrines entirely.
is wholly of God. It is the Holy Spirit’s quickening work whereby spiritual life is given to the sinner “by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5
). The word comes from “re” meaning “again” and “generate” meaning “to beget.” Jesus identified this work of God as being “born again” (John 3:3
). The Bible is emphatic that God “of his own will begat” us (James 1:18
), even as Jesus claimed He “quickeneth whom He will” (John 5:21
). Eternal life, i.e., spiritual life, is God’s sovereign gift bestowed in regeneration. While invisible to men, this life is demonstrated by man’s response in conversion. Note especially the absence in Scripture of even one command for a sinner to seek regeneration."CONVERSION"~
Conversion is the response of the regenerated child of God to his Heavenly Father’s will and commandments. The word means to “turn” or “turn about.” Thus it was foretold of John the Baptist’s ministry, “and many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God” (Luke 1:16
). Those John turned are declared to be already related to “the Lord their God” but needed to turn about and obey Him. Jesus describes the Apostle Peter’s denial and recovery by saying, “when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (Luke 22:32
). James explains the departure of a Christian brother from the truth can be corrected if another “converteth the sinner from the error of his way” (James 5:20
). Numerous exhortations and commandments are addressed to the saved, i.e., regenerated children of God, calling them from sin, error and ignorance to righteousness, truth and joyful assurance in fellowship with God (1st John 1:3, 7-9
). A person’s conversion is usually in proportion to his understanding of and obedience to Bible truth."REGENERATION CONTRASTED WITH CONVERSION"~
While regeneration is a once-for-all event, conversion will occur in steps depending upon one learning to follow God’s revealed will.
REGENERATION: God’s work; Sovereignly given; Eternal life; One time; Inward Work: Complete at once
CONVERSION: Man’s response; Conditional; Fellowship; Repeated; Outward evidence; Partial in step and never completed in this life.
Concerning CONVERSION....Unless one holds to the false theory of sinless perfection, every child of God will have some area(s) where he needs to experience conversion. That is, there will be ideas, habits or personality traits that need to be changed and replaced by God’s perfect and revealed will.
RESULTS OF CONFUSING REGENERATION AND CONVERSION: Many teachers of religion confuse the words -- regeneration and conversion -- making both refer to being eternally saved or born again. Therefore, they put various conversion commands upon the unsaved. This has resulted in the present popular theology of conditional or decisional regeneration. It is commonly preached that the sinner must do something or meet some condition before God can or will save him. Conditions vary from one church or evangelist to another, but may include praying the sinner’s prayer, confessing faith in Jesus, making Jesus Lord, water baptism, joining the church, taking communion or other works of righteousness. Enough said for now.
but merely began to be interested in the things of Christianity and began to have a kind of head knowledge about them but no real salvation. As such you would be eighteen inches away from salvation, having a mere head knowledge apart from actually being born again.
You have broken the rules of this forum, yet it really does not bother me, for I KNOW WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED IN regardless what some pride filled Pharisees may say otherwise. Learn your bible and more about yourself, and then MAYBE you would be less likely to judge others. Such a statement above proves to me just how ignorant people like you are, But, I pray that God would be merciful to you and forgive you for such ignorance.
Regeneration happens at a specific moment in someone's life, not at an unknown time in life. When a man is regenerated he will know that it just happened: if someone is dead in trespasses and sins and then becomes alive, will he be unaware of this? Not only will he be filled with the joy and peace of the Lord but his life will be changed in a radical way. He will no longer be walking towards sin, death, and hell; but has changed his direction towards righteousness, life, and the heavenly, even towards Jesus Christ in everything.
We overcome the devil by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of our testimony. If you do not have a testimony of how and when you got saved, how will you overcome the devil?
Joy and peace come THROUGH FAITh and faith comes by hearing the word of God and UNDERSTANDING what one is hearing. Read my post, then maybe we can talk some more. You said you been in the faith for twenty years? Did I read you correctly? I have been in the faith almost 44 years and started when I was 25 or thereabout ...do your math.