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So Thad who is your final authority? Your church?
Christ and the Holy Spirit operating in and through Christ's Body.

Who is the head of your church on earth?
Christ. Isn't this what scripture states, or do you erase that part too.

  Who is it hat you uphold before scripture?
Christ and His Church, The Body is the pillar and ground of Truth, I Tim 3:15.
You keep saying we here are our own authority. Who is the Holy Spirit to you? Do you believe it is scriptural to have personal relation ship with Jesus and personal by the Holy Spirit revelation that is in accordance with God?
if you can find anywhere in scripture that man has authority over scripture and that the Holy Spirit gives revelation to individual men in this Messianic Era, I'll listen.
I can assure you that the Holy Spirit is NOT giving to you and every other sola scripturist all these new innovative doctrines and ideas that have produced hundreds of denominations. 

earlier you stated that the Lords word was by oral communication through the apostles. They wrote by divine guidance? Why would that negate the Bible as His divine  holy writ establishing His will for His church.
Never stated that it negated the Bible. It is the particular use, sola scriptura that is not found anywhere in scripture. Neither is the idea that man can interpret the text at his own whim.

  Would you agree that all believers are his church and not just your church?  Why would you not think that biblical?
All believers are, and I belong to Christ's Church, the one He established by the Apostles here on earth.   The question is, do you? It is very biblical.
With all the countless atrocities happening in this world right now, may Jesus come soon! May He smite the wicked ones who would come against His children.

No--- it is not an "historical fact". There is nothing stated anywhere that the EOC is the TRUE church of Christ.  The EOC may claim they are the true church--but that is only "historical fact" based on what the EOC claims. So, one must proceed from the premise that the EOC is the true church to believe what you are stating Thaddeus.  And in effect---you are placing your faith in that CHURCH rather than in the Word of God. Which means your faith is placed in a CHURCH, rather than Jesus Christ himself.  You are expecting your CHURCH to save you rather than the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is an historical fact.  You can deny it as you do many things.  I understand it is absolutely necessary for you to deny it because in recognizing it, it condemns your view.
You can count on the fact that the Church is much higher than a text.  I have faith in that Church as the Nicene Creed attests.  Christ is the Head of that Church with the working of the Holy Spirit who gave you that text. 

Fish, the Church IS Christ.  I don' hold to your sectarian, philosophical constructs.  If Christ is the Head over His Body, and I am a member of that Body, the Church has always been the earthly extension of Christ's Incarnation. Christ as Head cannot be separated from His Body.   It is an ontological, organic entity.  All believers are BEING SAVED AS MEMBERS of His Body. The Body is part of the way I am being saved.  Baptism entered me into that Body and I receive spiritual sustenance, His Body and Blood in the Eucharist.  I am  organically connected to that Body and share in the uncreated energies of God, only because Christ was Incarnated. Christ is the ONLY way, He is the Truth.   Not some sectarian philosophical construct of a man's best guess as to what a text might mean.
Fish, you hold to a lot of philosophical constructs that have very little to do with the meaning of scripture as it was once delivered.  You and many others have developed your own personal ways of salvation.  It may be from an inspired text, but a lot of it is far from what that scripture has meant from the beginning.

I always find it ironic that so many feel the need to denigrate, deny the Church Christ established, and to whom He entrusted His Revelation, but then in the next sentence they are heralding the text as the only and final authority.  Just one of so many contradictions in the sola scripturist milieu.

Why not produce your evidence that would show that the Church Christ established has ceased to exist and that the Gospel was completely lost and all we have left is a text. What are you being saved by, a text?
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Sex in Marriage Discussions and Topics / Wife massage
« Last post by Joe1944 on Today at 04:35:17 PM »
My wife received a massage from a professional man who came to our home with his own massage table.  She loved the therapeutic part of the massage.  She was mostly covered until he uncovered the part he need to see to give her a so-called happy ending (by request and permission from both of us).  He was a pro and didn't do anything he wasn't asked to do.  There was no sexual intercourse between him and my wife and he used our own electric massager to do the happy ending.  We told him to do it and I was there supervising to make sure she didn't have a problem with him.  I'd like somebody who is an expert on the bible to tell me if this was a sin.  It was only touching, no sex, he did nothing out of the way that could be considered lustful on his part (it appeared to be just another job for him and he looked pretty detached throughout the whole application of the electric massager to her) and she also had no lust in receiving the massage or happy ending as we have a blissful and happy marriage.  It was just to do something different.  So, it gets down to whether a man touching my wife by permission is sinful if it does not exactly involve sex or lust between him and her. We can only find scripture that prohibits lust, adultery (which is defined as sexual intercourse between unmarried people), etc. and in our case it was not her cheating, so can somebody with deep knowledge about this give us specific help so we can decide whether we should do this if it helps her relaxation and enhances our own sex lives by experimenting in this way?

Im not confused at.all, actually.
probably true for any sola scripturist because he firmly believes his own interpretation is not just correct but infallible.

I always feel badly for people SO desperate to be right, that they justify their stand on "The EXACT words are not there! SO THERE!"
Christ demands it. He is the ONLY way, the Truth and the Light.  But scripture does say who has ultimate authority, It is Christ with the Holy Spirit through His Church. I Tim 3:15. No place will you ever find that scripture is the final and ultimate authority.  A principle developed for and by sola scripturists to give them that final authority.

Why is it you are using 1 Timothy 3:15 to support what you say/believe?

1 Timothy 3:15 -

15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

No where in there does it say EOC (or RCC). 

the church of Christ is to be the holder and supporter  of His word (the truth).  Not the inventor/writer of it.
Theology Forum / Re: No condemnation when saved?
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 03:51:13 PM »
We may 'feel' that God doesnt love us, or whatever it is, but God says that He DOES love us, so the feelings are lying.
Theology Forum / Re:How can our emotions lie?
« Last post by MeMyself on Today at 03:49:26 PM »
How can our emotions lie to us?

They do so in a billion different ways.

That is why Christ tells us to deny self, take up our cross and follow Him.  Its why we are told to take every thought captive, to focus on whatever is praiseworthy.

Our emotions can rule us, or we can let the peace of God rule us.
Theology Forum / Re: Who are your favorite theologians/apologists?
« Last post by segell on Today at 03:49:12 PM »
Ravi Zachariah, C. S. Lewis, Spurgeon, Luther, Albert Schweitzer, Hank Hennegraf
So Thad who is your final authority? Your church who is the head of your church? Who is it hat you uphold before scripture?  You keep saying we here are our own authority. Who is the Holy Spirit to you? Do you believe it is scriptural to have personal relation ship with Jesus and personal revelation that is in accordance with God?

earlier you stated that the Lords word was by oral communication through the apostles. Why would that negate the Bible as His divine  holy writ establishing His will for His church.  Would you agree that all believers are his church and not just your church?  Why would you not think that biblical?
2 Thessalonians 2     (NKJV)

15 Therefore, brethren,  stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
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