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Catholic Forum / Re: Does the Pope even read the Bible?
« Last post by Catholica on Today at 09:12:55 AM »
Being this is a thread about Palestine and the Vatican, how does Zionism enter in?

You have to understand what the reason behind people being offended that the Vatican would support a Palestinian state, and that being that certain tides in Evangelicalism believe that the Palestinians have no right to have a state within the ancient borders of Israel.  This is because they (Evangelicals) support Zionism, believing that they need to support Zionism (the establishment of a country, Israel) in order to support the people of God (the people, Israel, which are the 12 tribes).  But the Israel of Zionism is not the same as the Israel of the people of God, and so they (Evangelicals) confuse the two, and apparently anyone who doesn't agree with them "doesn't even read the Bible".

The country "Israel" that the Zionists set up is not the "Israel" that God is referring to, not even in the eyes of Orthodox Jews.  They are "Israel" in name only.

The Pope is a religious leader and head of a church.
Problematic in the whole issue is that the Vatican does not limit itself to matters of religion, but she behaves like a political organisation.
Taking position on the sovereignty of Palestine is a political move.

Historically the mistake of the RCC has always been her pursuance of political power and the influence of states, and it has brought us nothing else but misery.
The Pope is not a president and the Holy See is not a parliament.

Perhaps Evangelicals are confusing Israel and Zionism...but the RCC is confusing her religious position with that of politics.

Maybe kensington can elaborate on her problem with the Pope acknowledging the existence of the Palestinian state and how that would suggest that the Pope doesn't read the Bible.  I have a feeling that your post here is off-topic but it could be on-topic if kensington would clarify her position.  If it is on-topic then I will respond in kind.
Catholic Forum / Re: Does the pope descern the times
« Last post by mclees8 on Today at 09:09:08 AM »
This is for anyone who might claim that the Pope is "liberal" when it comes to the definition of marriage, emphasis mine:


Synod Hall
Monday, 17 November 2014
3. It is necessary to insist on the fundamental pillars that govern a nation: its intangible assets. The family is the foundation of co-existence and a guarantee against social fragmentation. Children have a right to grow up in a family with a father and a mother capable of creating a suitable environment for the child's growth and emotional development. This is why, in the Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium, I stressed the “indispensable” contribution of marriage to society, a contribution which “transcends the feelings and momentary needs of the couple” (n. 66). And this is why I am grateful to you for the emphasis that your colloquium has placed on the benefits that marriage can provide children, the spouses themselves, and society.

In these days, as you reflect on the complementarity between man and woman, I urge you to emphasize yet another truth about marriage: that the permanent commitment to solidarity, fidelity and fruitful love responds to the deepest longings of the human heart. Let us think especially of the young people who represent our future: it is important that they should not let the harmful mentality of the temporary affect them, but rather that they be revolutionaries with the courage to seek strong and lasting love, in other words, to go against the current: this must be done. I would like to say one thing about this: we must not fall into the trap of being limited by ideological concepts. The family is an anthropological fact, and consequently a social, cultural fact, etc. We cannot qualify it with ideological concepts which are compelling at only one moment in history, and then decline. Today there can be no talk of the conservative family or the progressive family: family is family! Do not allow yourselves to be qualified by this, or by other ideological concepts. The family has a force of its own.

May this colloquium be a source of inspiration for all who seek to support and strengthen the union of man and woman in marriage as a unique, natural, fundamental and beautiful good for people, families, communities and societies.

In the same context I would like to confirm that, God willing, I will go to Philadelphia in September 2015 for the Eighth World Meeting of Families.

Don't be fooled by the liberal media: Pope Francis is no "liberal" when it comes to defining family as that of being anything but between one man and one woman.

Does the pope set the standard for the world as well as the church?

No, God set the standard for the world in the beginning.  The Pope is merely carries forward that teaching and proclaims it to the world.

Who will be at this world meeting of the family. Will world dignitary's be there.  will it be open to the public with its gay Lobbies.

This article provides the answers to these questions:


I think it will be very interesting.  Will he stand and claim that the church cannot marry gays and defy the laws of the land?  Is the church ready for persecution.  This was from 2014 but  its a whole new ball game in 2015 .

We'll see exactly what he says, but it should be interesting.  Of course the fact of unchangeable Church teaching is that the Catholic Church cannot marry people of the same sex, because marriages are made by God and God will not join together people of the same sex, and the Catholic Church makes that known to the world.

Against whom do the gay lobbies direct their most vile hate?  Against the Catholic Church, of course, because they believe that the Catholic Church is it's most stalwart opponent.  In reality God himself is their most stalwart opponent, but that is reflected in the Catholic Church, because God is the founder and sustainer of the Catholic Church and the teachings which He gave and the Church preserves.

So much yet to see but thanks for posting that Catholica. The Catholic church is not the only opponent but a large majority of the Protestant churches as well. After all God does not see Protestant or Catholic nor is he a respecter of men or color of skin or nation and tongue. Those who appose Gods perfect will for the family stand against God so who is the church to address Babylon the foremost opponent of Gods perfect will for man. And what is it that they appose but Christ.  Our president on the day that SCOTUS  ruled made a personal phone call to a gay rights fighter to congratulate him for his victory . This same president stood as A Christian when he took his first term. Within a couple of hours he was in Charleston singing Amazing Grace being  one of our most beloved gospel songs in a church that I believe still upholds Gods word concerning the gay life style being  sin. What is happening that the church should be counted as being in the same house that resists the light. What communion does the pope have with Babylon ( UN ) to address it and those who do not love Christ but love the darkness and causes  the world to walk in darkness except it should repent and believe upon Christ

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
 2 Co 6:14-18

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.   Jn 1:1-5

Lives thrown away for a cell phone. Unbelievable. God rest the soul.   

When I was working the clubs a few years ago there was a kid in the news who'd been gunned down a few blocks away. The shooter wanted his shoes.
June 16, 2015

Jeremy Cook, age 18, died on June 14, 2015, in London, Ontario.

Jeremy was a native of Brampton, Ontario.

Jeremy had taken a taxi and had left his cellphone inside the vehicle. He traced the phone's location by using a mobile-tracking app. He and a relative went to the phone's location and were confronted by three men in a car.

Details are sketchy but it has been reported that when Jeremy tried to retrieve his phone the vehicle pulled away.  Jeremy grabbed on to the driver's side door and it was then that he was shot.
As bad as the incompetency at Cedars-Sinai in '07 when three newborns were given Heparin in their little IV's by mistake and almost died.

It's wise to ask a doctor who's giving your children a shot to show you the vial first so that you both can be sure of what your child is getting into their bloodstream.
He back-peddled - SLIGHTLY


He's likely doing cleanup due to his ridiculous remark about a black man being a clown in black face.
After all, Takei's outrage is without merit when it was Thomas and three other minority number judges that voted against the homosexual unions case before them.

The whole reason Takei and his boyfriend can now enter into a union in any State in America now is because five majority number of judges outvoted Thomas and his three allies.

The head of Vietnam's Communist Party is heading to the White House on Tuesday for meetings with President Obama and other top officials...

Bond, the overriding and understated reason for the meeting with Vietnam's leader is the threat China is posing to the entire region of the South China Sea. This may well be the most dangerous action that is going on in this world at this time, and it's getting little or no coverage by our media. China has established a military presence by building artificial islands in the area and is developing a naval force meant to thwart any and all comers. They plan on taking over the entire area, and Vietnam is squarely in their sights. Doubtful the Obama administration will do much of anything, but would not be a surprise for the next administration to establish a base or bases in Vietnam in an attempt to hold off the very real regional threat that China poses.

This is a very, very dangerous situation that should have much more of the world's attention.

Actor George Takei called Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas “a clown in blackface sitting there on the Supreme Court...”

Well let's see. The Greek economy is collapsing, the Euro is being decimated so that experiment is coming to a close it would appear.
And now Obama's made buddy buddy with Cuba, while he's now having a meeting with the Vietnam CPC.

I wonder if Saul's disciple is doing his part to bring about the fabled NWO?
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