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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by Brother Johan on Today at 02:53:22 PM »
4WD said---

>>>The forgiveness of sin does not negate or in any way do away with the sin committed.  The actual act of the sin has not been reversed or done away with<<<

I think you have misunderstood the Gospel 4WD, and the greatness of God's forgiveness towards us. He doesn't just forgive---he "deletes" our sins and remembers them no more:

"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear
" (Hebrews 8: 12,13)


I think I understand the Gospel fish, perhaps even better than you.

Not remembering does not remove them.  To forgive is just that.  If you murdered someone, they are still dead.  The sin as committed still stands even though God has promised to forgive you, a believer, for the sin.

Consider the following scenario:

You were caught stealing money from your boss.  The police come arrest you and the DA takes you before the judge.  You admit your guilt.  The judge says, "Five years and $10,000."  Your boss likes you and says to the judge, "I forgive him for his stealing from me."  The Judge says that is up to you, but he is guilty and must pay for his crime, a crime not only against you but against the laws of the land."  Now here is where the really marvelous thing comes in.  Your boss says to the judge, "I really do like him, and I know he is guilty, but he has confessed and repented of his thievery.  Therefore I will do his five years and pay the $10,000 fine."   The judge says, "Okay."

The offense was forgiven, the penalty paid, justice was imputed to you by the actions of your boss. it was credited to you by the judge through your boss.  Fish, that is what Christ has done for us.

That is what it means for God who knows everything past, present and future, to remember sins no more.


Very nicely explained.
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Theology Forum / Re: Remember the sabbath.
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 02:52:00 PM »
Do Christians really think God will judge us if we keep the Saturday Sabbath in a manner befitting Christian faith? If the answer be yes then are all Seventh Day Adventists then going to Hell?

And if someone believes, as some here appear to and quite passionately, that Saturday Sabbath is so wrong then how do they reconcile they're keeping Sunday as a Sabbath day?

The Bible tells us that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. As Christians we're suppose to honor God all the days of our life. If we elect to take one day to honor God and rest ourselves from the traffic of this world and recline in sacred space how is that wrong?
Especially when many States will permit a Sabbath day off for their religious employees. Be that a Saturday or Sunday.

If the secular world can respect the Christian who honors a Sabbath day why can't fellow Christians do the same among their own in this body of Christ that is his church?

I dont see any day as not being the Lords day, they are all His anyway, and I dont see anyone day as any different from another, which Paul clearly says is up to each of us to decide.
I have no problems with people thinking that either a Saturday or Sunday (or maybe even a week day if they have to work weekends) is special or different, as long as they dont tell others they they must do as they do(which may do).
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Thanks for the link.  I don't disagree that it is the same story, nor that the earth is old, neither do I think that all the world spoke one language.

But I DO think that the methodology used in analyzing so-called "Edenics," as portrayed in the OP and video, is valid from a linguistic standpoint.  It is the best available theory (IMO) of how mankind moved from runic language (logograms) to phonetic language (phonograms).

As far as the "confusion" of languages, I believe the modern interpretation is BACKWARDS.  One unified spoken language did not fracture into many.  Language does not work this way.  Rather, many spoken languages came into contact with each other for a prolonged period (the result of a massive collaborative building project?), and the end result was a a synthesis of those languages.

Language does work that way, and we can observe it right now.  When two groups with different languages combine, the languages also combine.  For instance, in the southern U.S., Spanish and English are merging in a bastard language affectionately known as Spanglish by those who speak it.
Jarrod
SO, you don't believe this happened.

Gen.11
[1] And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
[2] And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
[3] And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
[4] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
[5] And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[6] And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[8] So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[9] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.


By the way, I grew up in Miami and spoke a little Spanglish.
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I stopped listening when the narrator began to carry forth his thesis based on the young Earth time table.
Homo sapiens sapiens appeared about 130,000 years ago. Semi-permanent human settlements according to the archaeological record of discoveries would place those settlements at about 10,000 B.C.. With the cradle of civilization appearing in what is now Iran area.

This guys trying to go by the Hebrew tradition so as to confine the whole world to a small block of origin. 6,000 year old Earth is preposterous.

I am an Old Earth guy, too.

But phonetic language is not that old.  It started with the Phoenicians (hence, phonetic).  The Phoenicians ARE the Canaanites from the Bible.  They appear in history exactly after the time at which the Bible places the Tower of Babel account (early Bronze age - roughly 2200BC).

The Tower of Babel itself is a historical certainty. A stele was uncovered by archaeologists which included an elevation of the tower and partial floorplan. And the ruins of the tower still exist.  Google "E-temenanki."  That was the name the Babylonians gave the tower.  E-Temenanki translates as "house of the foundations of heaven and earth."

Ruins:


Jarrod

edit: removed pictures, those were bigger than I thought...


Wow!  Really interesting.  I googled the tern, then went to images.  Very nice. 
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Theology Forum / Re: God's Sovereignty and Our Responsibility
« Last post by Barnabas93 on Today at 02:50:02 PM »
Quote from: Red Baker on Today at 02:25:38 AM

.........~we come to God's word to be taught by Him, not for us to tell God what His word said, or does not say. We must lay aside our own preconceived thoughts of what we would do "IF" we were God. God's ways and thought are righteous, ours are not.  In our hearts, we must accept the scriptures for what they are saying to us, and then labor to allow God to reveal His truth to us concerning whatever our flesh finds hard to accept......
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4WD's reply:

That is so true and so totally against the Calvinist doctrine.
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Barnabas93 writes:

4WD, it is only against your knowledge of Calvinism. You DENY GOD'S WISDOM in selecting some for salvation and allowing the rest to experience his justice. God could just as well denied salvation to all mankind! Those that are selected were dead in their sins and trespasses. God had to regenerate them. Natural man WANTS NOTHING TO DO with God.

It DOES matter what the elect do. If they live reprobate lives they will be chastened even unto death by God. They may be turned over to the devil, with their spirit saved at the last day. Remember, they are Eternally Secure. 4WD, the Moderators have closed that thread. Do you want to take up that subject here?
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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 02:49:23 PM »
4WD---

Thank you----- I misunderstood you.  Thank you for clearing that up.

God bless you.

I am probably easily misunderstood more than I care to admit. So I certainly won't hold it against you for that.  And even though I know we disagree on much of this, I do appreciate your kind and gentle responses.  I should be as much like you.

God keep you always.  Yes, I know that was almost a pun.  But I do mean it.
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Theology Forum / Re: How To Get To Heaven When You Die
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Today at 02:48:08 PM »
Guys, before you take this post seriously. Frodo is a serial spammer. He was banned from Newgrounds some time ago for this same post. If you read the Google hits on this first post you'll see he's trolling to the choir here and everywhere that he can. He's not serious he's spamming.

Just so you know. He has a history.
So you're saying we should hates the Bagginses?   ::noworries::

As for how to get to the heavens... follow the 2nd star to the left, then go straight til morning.

Jarrod
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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Today at 02:47:48 PM »
Matthew 10:22
and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

In context, Jesus here is speaking about the persecutions that His followers will suffer, including being hated by all people and even suffering death for their beliefs. In this context, He clearly says that those believers who endure "to the end" will be saved, "to the end" meaning the end of their lives. This is supported by numerous other passages...

endure -
Lexicon :: Strong's G5278 - hypomenō

i  to remain
   a   to tarry behind
ii  to remain i.e. abide, not recede or flee
    a   to persevere: under misfortunes and trials to hold fast to one's faith in Christ
    b   to endure, bear bravely and calmly: ill treatments

from Thayer's Greek Lexicon for  Matt 10:22 -
'under misfortunes and trials to hold fast to one's faith in Christ'

nothing about until death...the Apostles often suffered persecutions by other than death - physical attacks, being run out of town, being put in jail etc.


See, have I not told you numerous times that you either play games or have some kind of reading comprehension issue? The word hypomeno does not mean "to the end" as you have tried to make it to mean..."to the end" is εις  τέλος (εις G1519)  (τελος G5056) which literally means "to end." together with the other two words as the end of the sentence in Greek (οὗτος σωθήσεται = οὗτος "this, that" and σωθήσεται "to deliver" which is in the future tense and translated with "will") comes together to say "to the end will be delivered."

The article is inferred in the English and the "this, that" is dropped in the English because it is not needed in order for English readers to understand the intended meaning of the passage. As for your other attempt in your last sentence, Jesus was not saying to endure being run out of town, or to endure being put in jail...but to endure ALL such things "to the end" which can only means unto the end of their lives. You do play word games in an effort to keep your bias intact...but that fails miserably.


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I stopped listening when the narrator began to carry forth his thesis based on the young Earth time table.
Homo sapiens sapiens appeared about 130,000 years ago. Semi-permanent human settlements according to the archaeological record of discoveries would place those settlements at about 10,000 B.C.. With the cradle of civilization appearing in what is now Iran area.

This guys trying to go by the Hebrew tradition so as to confine the whole world to a small block of origin. 6,000 year old Earth is preposterous.


Time dilation accounts for six literal days being 14 billion years within the span of time by God's perspective, not ours.  Both perspectives are true.  Think of the unwinding of the golden mean in a ratio of 1:1.618.  The first day is the largest.  The last the smallest until we reach a new singularity and it starts over. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNFHJB3oSw0




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Theology Forum / Re: Remember the sabbath.
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Today at 02:43:53 PM »
And if someone believes, as some here appear to and quite passionately, that Saturday Sabbath is so wrong then how do they reconcile they're keeping Sunday as a Sabbath day?
Bravo!  Nice to see someone applying logic and not just dogma.

Jarrod
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