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God has written His moral laws in the hearts of all mankind.
Everybody knows what is good, and what is evil.

Scripture also tells us that God has reveals Himself in nature (Romans 1:20)
So now we have an universal law, and we have a Law Giver.

There is no doubt in my mind that everybody is upheld to the same standard, Jew and Gentile.
- Love God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul
- Love your neighbor as yourself.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: 66.6 beast
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 03:09:41 AM »
Also, my wife has been given an "Obamaphone" with the phone # (562)668-6421

I actually threw that phone out the window of my car, but she got a new one with the same #.

Now I just figure that it is four 6's not 3, and also I count it as five-hundred-sixty-two, six-hundred-sixty-eight, six-thousand-four-hundred-and-twenty-one.

So it isn't six-hundred-threescore-and-six.

I really DID NOT make any of this up!
 

Why are you so superstitious? You seem almost paranoid about this to the extent that you even cut yourself.

I don't think it's superstition at all.  I gave the references to the quotes in the book of Revelation (my reasoning behind what you call superstition)  on page 1 of this thread (in Reply #12).  And frankly, I think it is highly dangerous that people are making light of this subject.

My husband's aunt an uncle were the most godly couple. They lived for most of their married life at a house that was no 666. It didn't worry them and it didn't stop them following Jesus Christ nor bringing up 3 godly children.
Its superstition. Just like the number 13. 
Numbers have no power over Gods children.
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Theology Forum / Re: “Peddlers of the Gospel” & Joel Osteen
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 03:00:08 AM »
Joel has the gift of encouragement, which is so much needed among christians today.

Its interesting that people think that if you work for God full time you should be poor.

He is a Pastor, not a motivational speaker.  You need discernment.

Umm, you have got me confused with another poster. I am well aware he is a pastor.
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(Barbarian explains that science never proves anything, just verifies inferences to the point that it's foolish to deny the findings)

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So your proposition in post #103 is just a futile exercise since you won't be able to prove anything.

Some people might think so, but then that process (for example) tells us how to make computers out of dirt.   

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You said:
"It's just a fact. We don't know the rules in nature; we infer what they are from observing the way it works. So no way to "prove" anything."

In science.   You can't prove the Sun will come up tomorrow morning.   But we have enough evidence to consider that statement to be true.

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Since there is no way to prove anything,

(Barbarian, earlier)
A real scientist would know that science doesn't prove anything.   Science is inductive, and while there are inductive proofs, they don't work in science.   Here's why:

Logical certainty is possible when you know the rules and deduce the particulars from the rules.   In science, we can only observe the particulars and infer the rules thereby.
So no "proofs."

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there is no way you can prove all the other things you said.

Actually, induction, being a matter of logic, is provable.   If you're confused, go back and read it again.   And think about it.

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You can't even prove that "we infer what they are from observing the way it works", because that would be part of anything.

But, as you just learned, logic does have proofs.   

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You can also not prove that "it is a fact",

It's directly observed.    What is true is a larger set than what is provable.    Think about it.
 
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Howdy All,


Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, (where by) all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Comment: Death in our mortal bodies causes us to sin (Rom 5:14). It is  “the sting of death is sin”, and not” the sting of sin is death”.
 
1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death... 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us.

Comment: After the the restitution of all things occurs because there will be no more death.  Therefore there will be more sin. Therefore there will be no more law of sin and death.   

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin (sin and death).

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Comment: That is what is to be fulfilled by Christ and his saints, the righteousness of the law. And that is what is going to save all mankind. The " law of the spirit of life" is having faith in God to give us salvation.

Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Comment: What is to be fulfilled is the righteousness of the law through faith in Christ.  And where is that stated?   Read on from verse 21-48 for example.  It is Christ's righteousness that delivers all of mankind from death and sin.  This occurs when there is a new heaven and earth as the old will pass away.
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Theology Forum / Re: The three laws mentioned in Romans 8:1-4.
« Last post by Michael2012 on Today at 02:07:35 AM »
In my view, the law of sin and death refers to the law or principles underlying the working of sin in the flesh which brings about death. It refers to the certainty and regularity that characterize the operations of sin in the flesh. And this law of sin and death is that which Paul is saying in Romans 7.
Red highlight are mine. Michael, this is basically what I have been saying from Reply #18 and forward. You worded it differently, but it has the very same meaning if you had just said the old man or our corrupt nature. Do you agree or disagree? If disagree, then please explain why, if you would please.

RB, if what I was saying is basically what you have been saying from Reply #18 and forward, then that's good. If you recall, with regards what you've  been saying from Reply #18 on this subject, I said "I'm not really sure if my take of what this law is, is basically the same as what you are saying here. What do you mean by "this law is our old man"? I could not quite get how our old man be a law. Now, if you understand what I said on this, and now say that you basically say the same, then I'll just then have to take your take on this law of sin and death as the same as my take on it. And I'll bring that then in understanding whatever you'll be saying in this thread.

It is that which Paul says he is in captivity to in Romans 7:23.
Brother, Paul did not say he was in captivity to the law of sin and death, BUT, that the law of sin and death was there to SEEK dominion (if I could use that term) but definitely sought to keep him a servant of sin~but for sure, that law that works in our members causes us great grief of KNOWING that we cannot live to the degree that we desire to live. 

I guess you are correct there that the verse does not say that Paul is in captivity to it, but that, it was bringing him into captivity.

But then, let me ask, in relation to this, what is Paul saying in the following:

Rom.7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin

Rom.8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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Howdy All,


Here’s what I understand

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Comment: Heb 10:16 is of the righteousness of the law (done with faith in Christ) and not of the work of the law as shown in Rom 2:14, which was not done with the faith in Christ.

Matt 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death…4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
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Comment: We fulfill the righteousness of the law by the spirit of life in Christ and not by ordinances, rituals and by our "good" self. 
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Yeah, that would be exactly the kind of cop-out I would claim if I was an evolutionary psychologist.

It's just a fact.   We don't know the rules in nature; we infer what they are from observing the way it works.   So no way to "prove" anything.   Proofs are only possible if you know all the rules.

It's always hard for people to get this, but that's how it is.

Can science confirm things to the point that it's foolish to deny them?   Sure, it can do that.   But logical certainty is never part of science.

So your proposition in post #103 is just a futile exercise since you won't be able to prove anything.

Anyway, your argument defeats itself.
You said:
"It's just a fact. We don't know the rules in nature; we infer what they are from observing the way it works. So no way to "prove" anything."

Since there is no way to prove anything, there is no way you can prove all the other things you said.
You can't even prove that "we infer what they are from observing the way it works", because that would be part of anything.
You can also not prove that "it is a fact", because facts are part of something and if you can't prove anything than facts cannot exist.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: 66.6 beast
« Last post by Star of David on Today at 01:04:14 AM »
He has 4 paws with sharp claws and a tail. He is very deceptive.

Took our dog  "Simon Otter Foot" to the vet this morning. Oh he is so sweet and everyone loved him, the workers there adored him and went on about how good he is .. Lol..

I told them that he had them fooled because he is a devil of a dog. They didnt believe me.

When they put him on the scales,  66.6 lbs popped up in big red numbers on the digital readout.   I laughed so hard and told them so . rofl

That number is so taboo that they wouldn't write it down. They wrote down 66.7 instead.  Crazy the fear that struck in some of them.

So 666 became a subject of conversation. One person said they bought something at the store that cost $6.66 and said they had to add a pack of chewing gum to make the total different.....

Just crazy the fear that number 666 brings to people. Anybody got any more 666 stories?

Rev. 13:18 ("666") was solely written to single out the dominant Witness of Chapter 11 of Revelation, which occurred on September 12, 1989 & September 18, 1989, and that is the only purpose for Rev. 13:18.

There shall never be this evil man called the Antichrist.
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  • Humility is relating to others with childlike innocence and respect. It is the opposite of pride. One does not have to sell possessions and give to the poor in order to be humble.

    The exhortation is for all men (rich or poor) in the world to be humble. God gives grace to the humble!

  • Selling possessions and giving to the poor is a good work of charity and/or a cost of discipleship (Luke 14:33) leading to perfection if after selling and giving to the poor the believer follows Christ (Matthew 19:21).
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