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Theology Forum / Re: Predestination.
« Last post by 4WD on Yesterday at 05:27:29 PM »
If I plan a destination - lets say, to take my family to the city, to the zoo; I have predestined for my family to go to the zoo. But if on the way to the zoo, I turn off the path and end up lost, it was my choice if I miss my destination...

It is Gods will that non should parish, but ALL have eternal life.... that is what we are all predestined for - but if we take a different path, and get lost - it is our choice, not Gods.

BTW: If I'm not wrong, the Calvinists also believe that some are predestined to go to hell -- that is clearly wrong.

That's not the question here.
The question is that you look into the future and you see that you are going to be in the zoo with your family.
You then go ahead and plan a trip to the zoo.
On the way to the zoo, you decide however that you are going somewhere else.

a) If you are not going to the zoo, then the future you saw before was false
b) If you saw that you were going to the zoo, and then plan to go there based on what you saw, then that is no longer pre-destination.


But it is in a sense a foreknowing.  And with that you are beginning, maybe, to see the difference between foreknowing and predistinating.
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Christian Women Forum / Re: christian husband's involved with porn
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 05:17:10 PM »
My gosh. Calm down.

You don't seem to handle the simplest thing that is hard to hear. there is no reason for such immature over the top reactions.

God will forgive you if you ask Him to and repent. He tells us that confession to one another is important. You sinned against her and God and you need to own it and man up!

If she won't leave you, she will work through this with you.

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Christian Women Forum / Re: christian husband's involved with porn
« Last post by Struggeling on Yesterday at 05:11:54 PM »
Yes I sinned. No I'm not a victim. Am I afraid of the results of my sin no. My wife would not leave me over this that I do know.
God's punishment is the only thing I worry about.
I joined this  page f
Because I thought it was a Christian support group but evidently it's neither.
So I tell you what you can think what you want about me. I'm leaving what ever this  forum is. 
I will not argue with you not anyone else on here.
Oh in case you missed it
NO I AM NOT A VICTIM. I DID THIS TO MYSELF. I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTION.
I AM TRULY SORRY THAT I'M NOT PERFECT LIKE YOU.
now I will say good day to you.
You won't here back from this poor lowly help bound sinner.
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I love the Bushes. May God draw near to them all in this time.
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Christian Women Forum / Re: christian husband's involved with porn
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 04:53:54 PM »
Oh please. You aren't a victim. Not of me or anyone else. YOU victimized your wife and now don't want to own it because it will hurt her. Easy way out, if you ask me. You know you sinned and you are afraid of her reaction to your confession, IMO, so you pretend it's out of concern for her feelings not to tell.

You can find counselors online if need be.

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Christian Women Forum / Re: christian husband's involved with porn
« Last post by Struggeling on Yesterday at 04:47:06 PM »
I agree I wish my desire for protecting her and honoring her had stopped me from doing what I've done. Yes I'm a bad husband and Christian.
I came here to this forum to talk and hopefully get help and prayers. Not to be judged. Trust me I judge myself and I feel like a total piece of crap.
Yes I fight daily with this addiction  it I have asked God to help me and I am now fighting the sin.
No I don't want to hurt my wife. And tell me what good would it do to tell her.
It's not her problem it's not her fight. It's me I own it. Do I need a Christian counceler. Yes.  Are there any in my area no. I have talked to preachers about it.
What else can I do but hopefully talk with people who have been there and have found there way out. Maybe talk to someone with compation.
But thank you memyself for I stead of trying to help just stating that I should have been concerned before I did it.

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Christian Politics Forum / Re: ~this being siad
« Last post by mommydi on Yesterday at 04:45:49 PM »
The Bush family truly is not a friend of conservatives in the true sense of what is called conservativism. Nevertheless, they deserve our respect and honour~this being said we mourn for those for who did in some respect stood for certain principles of that which is right.  May God be merciful to the Bush family during this period of losing their patriarchs as the Bush family. It's soon coming any day. RB ::prayinghard::

RB, I have a photo of the former first lady, Barbara Bush, holding my youngest daughter when she was a baby. I will send it to you on a pm. I don't feel right posting pics of my kids without their approval - even if it is a baby pic.

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Christian Politics Forum / ~this being siad
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 04:31:55 PM »
The Bush family truly is not a friend of conservatives in the true sense of what is called conservativism. Nevertheless, they deserve our respect and honour~this being said we mourn for those for who did in some respect stood for certain principles of that which is right.  May God be merciful to the Bush family during this period of losing their patriarchs as the Bush family. It's soon coming any day. RB ::prayinghard::
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Theology Forum / Re: Predestination.
« Last post by AVZ on Yesterday at 04:31:49 PM »
If I plan a destination - lets say, to take my family to the city, to the zoo; I have predestined for my family to go to the zoo. But if on the way to the zoo, I turn off the path and end up lost, it was my choice if I miss my destination...

It is Gods will that non should parish, but ALL have eternal life.... that is what we are all predestined for - but if we take a different path, and get lost - it is our choice, not Gods.

BTW: If I'm not wrong, the Calvinists also believe that some are predestined to go to hell -- that is clearly wrong.

That's not the question here.
The question is that you look into the future and you see that you are going to be in the zoo with your family.
You then go ahead and plan a trip to the zoo.
On the way to the zoo, you decide however that you are going somewhere else.

a) If you are not going to the zoo, then the future you saw before was false
b) If you saw that you were going to the zoo, and then plan to go there based on what you saw, then that is no longer pre-destination.
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Theology Forum / Re: Predestination.
« Last post by AVZ on Yesterday at 04:27:07 PM »
4WD said----

>>So instead of actually causing His death, He had to go to some length to prevent it from happening out of context and timing of God's plan<<.

I believe that is patently false. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit had an EXACT time that the crucifixion would happen.  There was NOTHING that could
prevent that from happening.  Jesus clearly stated that it was within His power to lay down His own life----He was GOD and MAN in one body. The Jews
could only take Jesus when the TIME WAS RIGHT.

Yes, the Jews mobbed him----but he always walked through unscathed----not because it was POSSIBLE that the Jews could thwart God's plan---- but because the
TIME WAS NOT RIGHT for it to happen.  There was an EXACT moment planned for Jesus to be born----there was an EXACT moment planned for Jesus to enter Jerusalem
on a donkey-----there was an EXACTmoment for him to be arrested-----and there was an EXACT moment for Jesus to be crucified.  It was predestined and
MUST BE FULFILLED because God had ORDAINED it.

I believe AVZ is correct-----you do not understand what Predestination means.
And you, like AVZ, would be wrong in what you believe.   You like all Calvinists, whether you actually are one or not, can not intellectually separate the truth that God knows every detail concerning the future from the truth that He doesn't actually cause every detail.

You have to brush up your knowledge about Calvinism.
Calvinism does not claim anywhere that God causes every detail.

It is you who claim that God, in the execution of the foreseen future, makes changes to it.
Which leaves the simple conclusion that the future which God foresaw, was not the actual future.
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