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Catholic Forum / Re: Do protestants know that they are lieing about catholics?
« Last post by James56 on November 26, 2015, 08:28:53 PM »
Thats because they dont approach anything with an open mind,they think they already possess the truth which makes them blind to the truth.I have searched with an open heart every christian church there has ever been and find the Catholic church to be nothing Ive ever heard about.Protestants take the bible and make it say what they want it to not even realizing where it came from,without the Catholic church they wouldnt even have a bible to misquote from.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Republicans uniting against Trump
« Last post by TruthScientist on November 26, 2015, 07:10:50 PM »
To jerry Jones:

Long live the memory and legacy of Tom Landry... 

NFL Coach Extrordinaire...
As long as you believe sin has power over you it will because you deny the power of Christ to make you free.If its Gods will for you to never sin,why dont you believe He wants it to become a fact in your life?and if so He will give you the means to do it?why do people insist that God will not free them from sin?If He did could you boast of it?no because your obedience gives you no boasting privilages,its just what you owe Him,your boast even if you live obove sin is in Him.1 John 1:8 is not a declaration that everyone has sin as is falsely pronounced by many,verse 7 says that the blood of Jesus can cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness,verse 8 means that IF we have sinned, that should be apparent from the other verses.But people like to use bible verses like a legal techicality to support what they want to believe about something.
Apologetics Forum / Re: I am muslim, if you allow me the access
« Last post by AVZ on November 26, 2015, 06:16:38 PM »

my point pf view is Jesus was not the Messiah.

he has never claimed  this title.


So far you have had your fun trying to decapitate Christianity of Christ by disputing parts if Biblical scripture.
Well, even if you were to succeed, that would at best discredit Christianity...but that would not at all validate Islam.

You have asked some questions about Bible verses and people have answered you. The result has been the same consistently, you ignore what people write in response and reiterated your point of view.

Since that is not leading you anywhere, why not swing this discussion the other way?
I would like you to make a point why Muhammad is a better "Messiah" than Jesus.

The Christian Messiah was born miraculously, healed people, did miracles, died on the cross, arose from the dead and was a sinless person.
He was peaceful, loving and settled His disputes with words.

Your "Messiah" is a murderer, thief, liar, rapist, polygamist, anti-semite, oppressor and pedofile.
He was a war monger, violent and settled his disputes with war and violence.

The followers of Christ do not blow up planes, buildings and people and don't go out on a killing spree in villages, theaters, concerts, hotels, shopping malls and concerts. They do not execute journalists or decapitate those who disagree with their believes.

Why would any Christian exchange the love of Christ for the hate and violence of Islam?
One is never made perfect in the flesh !

Actually, Hexalpa, there is a perfection of practice that will take place when you put to death the element of sin that dwells in your flesh, it amounts to what is called by Nazarenes, "entire sanctification".  (and there is a difference between this and "sinless perfection", which would be the eradication of sin from the person in totality: which will also take place at the glorification of our bodies).
Theology Forum / Re: Obedience is the important result of salvation
« Last post by Geoffrey1973 on November 26, 2015, 05:48:19 PM »
One will have to fall into obedience of our Lord, because if you don't then one is not of the Lord for a start.

Jesus points out that there is they who call him lord lord, but he never knew them ? I think Jesus knows them by their own works, that such are far from him.

Narrow is the gate Bible says and if one points to the wide, well that one leads to Hell fire.

Abide in Christ Jesus is what it is, you can't truly obey, no one can cut that.

Hi Hexalpa,

what is the definition of abiding in 1 John 3:6?
The seed of Grace.
By Grace is the abiding.
We ourselves are sinners but by Grace we don't Sin in that, as that's Christ working in us.

Correct, we abide through faith, the result of abiding by faith is that we do not sin.

That is, unless you want to change the definitions or the meanings in the verses (1 John 3:6,8-9).
Often the spirit is wiling but the flesh is weak.  I have to pray for forgiveness everyday.  Im still in this cursed fleshly body where my spirit and my flesh are at odds all the time.  We may get angry and say things we don't mean or there are sins of fleshly weakness. Some times I believe the Lord allows us certain weakness to keep us on our knees. Jesus is the only one who had power to live a sinless life. For me he gave us ther ight to enter in to the Holy of Holies where we find grace for our infirmities.  It's the work of the cross that gives us grace. I know the Lord is always with me because we talk to each other everyday. I thank God when Jesus said How many times can we be forgiven. 70 times seventy. Thats why I need Him so badly in my life because I know he loves me always.  I have not ever met anyone who has lived perfectly saved or not.  At least we know that most of us are in the same boat together and the boat we are in is his grace.

The same Spirit that was dwelling in Jesus when He walked the earth, the same power that raised Jesus from the dead, dwells in us.

We do indeed have the power to live a life that is free from the practice of sin.  He provided it when He said, "Father into thy hands I commend my Spirit", and when the same Spirit fell on the 120 in the upper room to be in the church for the rest of church history, because the Father gave to us the Spirit of Jesus on that day.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Republicans uniting against Trump
« Last post by crowcamp on November 26, 2015, 05:28:16 PM »
Totally off topic, I would, on this day of thanks giving, rather than express thanks for something, extend my deepest sympathies to all residents of the state of Texas for the dumpster fire that is the Dallas Cowboys.

Oh wait, there is something I can express thanks for; the Cowboys are at least six states away from me!  rofl
Theology Forum / Re: The true grace of God...IMPORTANT.
« Last post by Geoffrey1973 on November 26, 2015, 05:21:08 PM »
Luke 6:43-45, "For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.  For a tree is known by his own fruit.  For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.  A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."

James 3:2b-c, "...If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body."

Philippians 1:10, "That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ."
The subject of entire sanctification is covered in the thread by me (Geoffrey1973), "The true grace of God: IMPORTANT.".

1 John 1:8 means that the element of sin continues to dwell in our mortal flesh.

However, Romans 8:13 and Galatians 5:24 show us that while it dwells in our mortal flesh, we in the Spirit have the power to put it to death so that it has no power over what we do or say.

Thus 1 John 3:4-9 does not contradict 1 John 1:8.
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