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Introductions / Re: Starting Over
« Last post by composition man on Today at 12:35:25 PM »
Thanks everyone.  I appreciate your comments.  Forgive me, I'm still learning the ropes here.
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Churches of Christ Forum / Re: Tulsa Workshop
« Last post by Angryelephants on Today at 12:33:51 PM »

Good points, Snargles. If our country's government ever became a religious government it is a sure thing it would never be a first century, new testament, independent congregation Church of Christ government as we are less than 1% of the population, unless we took over, did away with the Constitution, and set up a church dictatorship. I don't see anywhere in God's word where we are commissioned to do anything like that.
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Apologetics Forum / Re: What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?
« Last post by Red Baker on Today at 12:32:53 PM »
Is Jesus' warning to the saints in Judea to flee before or after the siege of Jerusalem & the destruction of the Temple?

The siege has taken place~so it would be AFTERWARD. Jesus said when ye shall SEE the abomination of desolation standeth where he ought not to stand, then let them that be in Judea flee unto the mountains.

Judea in the OT was where the OT temple was, where men went to worship~BUT, under the NT, Jerusalem is NO LONGER the city where men go and worship, per Jesus in John 4:21-24...The temple (holy place) now is the outward professing churches of Jesus Christ (Judea)...the abomination that God WILL MAKE desolate in his times, is the man of sin, or, man that lives according to his views of who and what God shall be like.. thereby, man that lives not according to God's word in doctrine and godliness, but according to his own views...which in God's sight is an abomination.  This is the little horn spoken of by Daniel; the man of sin by Paul, and Antichrist by John;  all ONE and the same.  This is the spirit of the beast that makes war with the saints and kill them (not literally, but puts them to silence OUT OF THE TEMPLE OF GOD) and sits and rules therein at the latter days of the last days of this world.  This is the little season of Revelation twenty.  WHO has eyes to see, and ears to hear, if so, then, take heed and FLEE from Judea, and those that are entering therein, warned them not to do so!

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Luke 21:21~"Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
   

That's WHY we worship in homes, not in organized religion.  This will increase more and more, as this world comes to its end. The man of sin COMES BEFORE Christ comes and gathers US unto himself. 

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What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?

False professors of the latter day filling the holy place....and this IS the abomination that God will make desolate...this abomination are not limited to a certain sect; group, denominational group, etc. but all people, who profess that Jesus is the Christ, but deny him by their works of righteousness, and doctrines of devils.   
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Theology Forum / Re: Total Depravity
« Last post by Thaddaeus on Today at 12:26:13 PM »
notreligus,

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Most of the comments against original sin in this thread have zero to do with understanding but a general dismissal of Calvin.   Some will believe heresy to disagree with Calvin.

Why is Christ "the second Adam"?   When you understand the answer to that you won't be worried about supporting or dismissing Calvin, and you'll have your eyes set on your Redeemer instead of your theology.   
First, why not answer your own question, rather than ask it.

We are 169 posts into this thread and not a single argument has been put forth as yet that shows "total depravity" as understood by the reformed/Calvinistic creeds is scriptural, including the presenter of the OP.

So, if you feel scripture supports "total depravity" help Red out with the evidence.
The best anyone has mustered is that man is sinful and we are all sinners which everyone seems to be in agreement, but where is "total depravity?
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I thought you were advocating that we need no armies. No one is doubting that God's peace is preferable. It is coming when Jesus comes back. And that is why I pray for peace to come to Israel. They don't presently have it.
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Theology Forum / Re: Total Depravity
« Last post by notreligus on Today at 12:18:18 PM »
Most of the comments against original sin in this thread have zero to do with understanding but a general dismissal of Calvin.   Some will believe heresy to disagree with Calvin.

Why is Christ "the second Adam"?   When you understand the answer to that you won't be worried about supporting or dismissing Calvin, and you'll have your eyes set on your Redeemer instead of your theology.   
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So we should have no military for defense?

Of course we exist at God's whim, not doubting that. And when Christ comes back we will have perfect peace
are you insulting my intelligence or exposing your own Jaime?  God sent Israel into war...  He is keeping them immediately being nearly surrounded by people who want to destroy them. 

my only point was that peace won by battle is not the peace that comes from God.  That peace is difficult for most to understand.  If you thing Israel is experiencing peace right now you do not know what it is...  All praises to God who watches over Israel...
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Theology Forum / Re: Total Depravity
« Last post by Man_Of_Honor on Today at 12:05:33 PM »
You may want to have a talk with TruthBeTold when him and I debated over a topic similar to this one using a number of scriptures. Seems like you want to be selective with your memory.

Well, you have never done so with me.  I am not going nowhere, so stay here and use scriptures to prove what you believe, and prove me wrong that you do use scriptures, and when we confront you, do not run and hide, but answer the post to you, and we shall do the same. If you make a personal post to any of my comments, I will answer.

We have done so. I have been in this forum long enough to have discussions with you.

4WD is doing great in his stance. You would rather remain in your comfort zone.
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Hey TS, that Isaiah 45:7 verse would make for good discussion in he Theology Forum.......the part about God creates evil!

correct...  great verse for anyone who wants to know who God is...  His nature... 
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I would suggest to her that she read JA Rogers "SEX and RACE".  In one of the three volumes it mentions Europeans coming into villages in the 1800s where whites had not been seen.  And how some of the children shrieked in horror and others laughed at the whites pale skin and pointed noses.  To them the whites were hideously ugly...

This certainly is a cruel and thoughtless thing to say.  Shows what her heart is about... 

You are absolutely correct that if children do not spend time around people who differ in color it will be a shock to them at some point when they do meet.  She also may be interested to know that black nannies breast fed some white infants during the years of slavery.  As I have said we have persons on all sides of the color line who through ignorance and bigotry keep the fires of racism stoked...
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