SM, you have no idea what you are talking about. You pretend to be the master of the covenants and don't even know the connection between the old and the new. You can't see the difference between the flesh and the spirit. No wonder the salvation you teach is full of devils.
I don't pretend to be any such thing, Charlie...but at least I have studied the covenants, for better part of a year as the subject of my dissertation. I know far more about them than you do, and probably more than anyone else here on this board. That is not pride, that is just a fact (maybe, maybe not). I see the clear difference between spirit and flesh, but you claim to and don't. What I teach has no devils in it, but I can't say the same for what you cling to.
Moses said in Deut. 30:6,
"And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."
Does "circumcise the heart" ring a bell, SM? Moses is speaking of the New Covenant.
Just like I said, Charlie, you don't know half of what you so confidently claim that you do. Moses is not speaking of the New Covenant here, he is clearly and plainly speaking of the Old Covenant that he mediated, because the New Covenant does not have any curses in it (among other things). Moses never wrote about the new covenant, and he barely even wrote ONCE about the Messiah.
You need to study some more without your calvinist glasses on.
The circumcision of the flesh and works of the old covenant has become the circumcision of the heart in spirit of the new covenant.
Negative. God tells the Israelites all through the OT to circumcise their hearts, which is a metaphor intimating the same idea as crucifying the flesh - putting to death what YOU want, your desires and wants, and living for the will of God. This they consistently did not do as a nation, and so they eventually went into exile for their disobedience...because they didn't circumcise their hearts.
"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
The circumcision of the new covenant is that of the heart, in spirit, and not in the works of the letter (law). It's a spiritual circumcision, and that is the salvation of the new covenant. The circumcision made without hands by Christ.
Negative, you are now grasping for straws. Circumcision of the New Covenant comes to a person once, and after, they have entered into the New Covenant. You don't get anything that God has made provision for through the New Covenant until AFTER you enter therein...through water baptism. Again, what has God provided for in the New Covenant?
atonement in Christ
the indwelling Spirit of God
the gifts of the Spirit
And you don't receive not one thing unless you have entered into the covenant through water baptism...and you do NOT retain any of them unless you remain abiding in Christ through walking in obedience to the covenant law of the New Covenant - the Law of Christ. That is how covenants work, and God modeled the New Covenant after ANE covenants so that His intentions could be clearly made and understood by the people of the day.
That is the key...YOU, nor I, are people of the day when the covenant was given, nor have we ever, as European settlers of this country (and whatever other foreigners to this country, unless you are native american like I am), have ANY concept of middle eastern covenants. The Scriptures were written to middle eastern peoples, in the legal custom of the day (covenant), and the only way we can completely understand the new covenant is by learning about the covenanting of their day and applying those principles to our understanding of the Scriptures.
People don't...you don't...that is why we have a thousand dead churches in this country today where no one in the congregations speak in tongues, no one manifests any of the gifts of the Spirit, no one is healed, the Spirit doesn't visit their services, etc., etc...
When yo don't understand covenanting, you emasculate the Scriptures and all that God tells us in them. Its like trying to have a live human being without the brain...he is "brain-dead." The church is no good to God when it can't perform what He has designed it to, and it can't perform because it doesn't know its authority or power, or how to remain walking in relationship with Him.
" In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ
I know you will deny it, but here it is black and white!
You still have much to learn. I don't deny the passage, but you don't understand it, for the exact reason that I just finished explaining to you above. One is not circumcised in Christ if he is NOT in Christ...and one only remains in Christ by walking in obedience to Him after he has entered into Christ through water baptism.
I could give you the passages, but you will ignore them, so I won't waste my time. If you decide to want to learn something, rather than just argue, then hit me up and I will be glad to go over them with you detail by detail.