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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by Kenneth Sublett on Yesterday at 15:02:48 »
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I have no idea whatsoever what you were trying to say there.  Perhaps someone else does, but I certainly do not.

I wasn't TRYING: I was quoting Jude which is in the right end of the Scripture Book End.

I am not surprised: thought you might have read Jude who quotes THE BOOK OF ENOCH which is the understanding of the JEWS which is certainly as valuable as that sermon you heard this morning which was SELF-SPEAK.

I can tell you that of those SELLING LEARNING AT RETAIL I don't know a SINGLE person still alive who does not violate:

Jude 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to WRITE unto you
        of the common salvation,
        it was needful for me to WRITE unto you,
        and EXHORT you that ye should earnestly contend
        for THE FAITH which was ONCE delivered unto the saints

Didn't grasp the revelation of WHO ARE THOSE FOREORDAINED FOR FIRE?

Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, [They BOASTED about INFILTRATING and DIVERTING]
        who were before of old ORDAINED to this condemnation,
        ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
        and denying the ONLY LORD-GOD,
        AND our LORD Jesus Christ.

I am certain that the chatty-cathy stuff in the Ephesians 2:8 thread violates the warning against EVERY IDLE WORD.

The FAITH is THE WORD and those who do not SPEAK THE WORD God said THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. THE WORD condemns 100% of all RELIGIONISM which is ANTI the School of Christ.
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Theology Forum / Re: Eve created from Adam's vertebra
« Last post by Kenneth Sublett on Yesterday at 14:47:42 »
In Genesis 1 it was the ELOHIM who created or cast down the heavens and earth.

Jesus used parable He said which HAD HIDDEN the Truth from the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
Moses is refuting the SUMERIANS-BABYLONIANS to whom HE had abandoned Israel because of the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
In the SECOND account to refute the FIRST, beginning with Genesis 2:4 speaking of the GENERATING

However, the Spirit OF Christ or God's breath said:

Gen. 2:4 These are the GENERATIONS [history:—birth, generations.] of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,
         in the DAY that the Lord--God made the earth and the heavens,

YoWm 3117 can mean a CHRONICLE, continually, a whole age, a full year.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3117&t=KJV

6213 Asah can mean many things such as fashion, furnish, come to pass. You don't plant a garden and have it bear fruit in one day. Therefore, God is defining HIS orderly flow to REFUTE the Babylonians to whom God had sentenced.  Moses has Jacob in Genesis 49 curse the LEVI tribe which had been ABANDONED and commanded that the godly not attend their synagogues nor enter into their COVENANT.  Paul makes it clear that the CURSE OF THE LAW did not change the only spiritual Covenant God in Christ (His anointed) to Abraham

The SPIRIT OF GOD cleared this up in the prophets which are SCRIPTURE as connected to the Kingdom of Christ.

Is. 45:5 I AM the Lord [YHWH] and there is NONE else, there is no God [ELOHIM] beside me:
       I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Is. 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
        that there is NONE beside me. I am THE LORD, and there is NONE else.
Is. 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Is. 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness:
      let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation,
      and let righteousness spring up together; I THE Lord have created it.
Is. 45:18 For thus saith the Lord [YHWH] that created the heavens;
     God [The REAL Elohim] HIMself  that FORMED the earth
                 and MADE it;
                 he hath ESTABLISHED it,
                 HE created it NOT in vain,
                 HE FORMED it
                 to be INHABITED:
                 I am THE Lord;
                 and there is none else
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RIB is derived from THE LIMPING God and it is clear that after the fall at Mount Sinai Moses was aware of the "gods" to whom the Hebrews were abandoned. They were common in Egypt, Greece, Canaanite, Babylonia.  God always presents Himself as the OPPOSITE of the evil "gods" evil men used to fleece the SERFS of Tithes and Offerings.
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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by 4WD on Yesterday at 14:08:42 »
We have gone over this before and you could give no evidence that this view is nothing more than your personal interpretation.  It has no scriptural basis and no historical relevance either.
Of course it has scriptural basis.  It is just not interpreted according to your false and Pharisaical "traditions". 
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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by Thaddaeus on Yesterday at 14:00:07 »
4WD,

We have gone over this before and you could give no evidence that this view is nothing more than your personal interpretation.  It has no scriptural basis and no historical relevance either.
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Protestantism / Re: Confession of Faith and being Protestant an example
« Last post by 4WD on Yesterday at 13:58:14 »
In any case, water-baptism definitely, is not 'all over the new testament'.
Of course it is.
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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by Thaddaeus on Yesterday at 13:57:39 »
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That is a logical inconsistency and theologically incorrect:

- If everybody is saved from death and sin, then nobody would go to hell
- Nobody wants hell and everybody wants heaven
- Yet hell is filled with people who rather be in heaven
- Hence those in hell are not saved from death and sin

Or let me put it differently:

- If everybody is saved from death and sin, then nobody can choose not to be saved from death and sin
- If you cannot choose not to be saved from death and sin, the only choice that remains is to be saved from death and sin
- If you are saved from death and sin, you go to heaven
- Hence, everybody goes to heaven

What I stated is very consistent and very theologically correct and scriptural.  It does not match your personal interpretation.

Being saved from death and sin has nothing to do with heaven or hell.  It has to do with Christ's correction of the fall. Death to life. I Cor 15:12-22 explains it very explicitly and gives you a summary in verse 22.
All your assumptions assume Adam never fell, and Christ accomplished nothing.

You are correct in that no human being has anything to do with salvation, with being freed from the bondage to death and sin.  That is why Christ was needed because man could not save himself from death nor sin.

However, once given life, an eternal existance again, by Christ's resurrection, God and man are now able to have a union here on earth as well as for eternity.  That eternal place is determined by man, by his choice to believe and to remain faithful thus attaining eternal life.
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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by Thaddaeus on Yesterday at 13:56:55 »
AVZ,

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You claim "No, without Gods plan of salvation you, every human being, including this world would simply be dissolved by death. Man would simply cease to exist, become dust permanently."
Where in scripture do you find this notion? I really would like to know.
Where does the Bible teach this?
I have given them to you many times. Possibly not all at one time, but i have posted all of these before.
But for your edification again... Gen 3:19, Rom 5:12, Rom 5:21,  Heb 2:9, Heb 2:14-17, Christ granting life, physical eternal existance again, Rom 5:18,  I Cor 15:12-22, respective of the world, Rom 8: 20-23, II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 3:24, Col 1:15-20, John 6:39. John 12:32, I John 4:14,John 4:42. Eph 2:1-5,

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You claim "There is nothing is scripture, OT or NT that says God determines who goes to heaven or hell."
God created heaven and God created hell.
If God does not determine who goes where, then who does? You?
every single human being will determine where they spend eternity.

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Theology Forum / Re: Ephesians 2:8
« Last post by 4WD on Yesterday at 13:51:27 »
Kenneth,

I have no idea whatsoever what you were trying to say there.  Perhaps someone else does, but I certainly do not.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/breaking-five-months-worth-peter-strzok-text-messages-go-missing-fbi-cites-mystery-glitch/

The elite have it made, don't they? How many of us regular citizens could get off scot-free by just misplacing (or in Hillary's case deleting) the evidence? When are We The People going to have enough of this crap?

None of them ever pay the price. They either destroy the evidence or sit around and bestow immunity on each other. Sick.of.it.
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Theology Forum / Examining The “Going Forward” Syndrome
« Last post by Reformer on Yesterday at 13:28:16 »
REFORMATION RUMBLINGS
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
_______________________________
Examining The “Going Forward”
Syndrome

[SEE BELOW “FREEDOM” & “CHICKEN ALCOHOLICS”] 
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    I think it is only fair that we consider the motives behind big TV Evangelists and mega-church Pastors who try to persuade a number of their attendees to “come forward and accept Jesus” or to “come forward” and confess their sins. Why all the public solicitation?

     One cleric spoke of a woman who “came forward and confessed a lack of faithfulness.” Could she not have made her confession to her Heavenly Father during her daily prayers? Why did she feel it necessary to confess to the pulpit pastor and his congregation? Did she feel they could forgive her?

     Perhaps we all should confess our lack of faithfulness every time we pray, but the “going forward” syndrome can easily evolve into ritualistic nonsense. A sizable number of pulpit pastors who advocate this ritual enjoy the limelight and the “evangelistic results.” Those “results” are often published in their party’s journals.

     One tube evangelist wrote in his partisan journal of a man who had accepted Jesus, but felt he “needed to make a public confession of Christ to seal the transaction with God.” Did he not confess Jesus by accepting him? Another Christian journal noted, “A candidate must make a public confession before he can be baptized.” He is exhibited before an audience and asked, “Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?” He is expected to follow the ritual and say, “Yes, I believe Jesus is the Son of God.” If the candidate hesitates, the pulpiteer will repeat the question.

    The story is told of a man who responded to this question by counter-asking, “Why do you think I’m reforming my life and requesting that you baptize me?” His “confession” turned out to be an embarrassment to the pulpit minister who had no choice but to immerse him without obtaining the stereotype confession.

     The very act of accepting is confessing. It is not necessary to compel a believer to repeat a formal statement hatched by the clergy. Even if the eunuch’s “confession” in Acts 8:37 (KJV) had been included in the oldest Greek manuscripts, the confession would have been private and non-ritualistic.

     I tender no objections if a man wishes to publicly confess before an audience his faith in Messiah Jesus. I offer no resistance to a believer who wants to go public and confess a sin or a weakness and ask for the prayers of the congregation. But I do object to clerics—pulpit pastors, salaried ministers, “Reverends,” ecclesiastics, and evangelists—devising a code that must be publicly mouthed before acceptance and forgiveness are granted.     

     Yes, we are told to confess our faults to one another and to pray for each other (James 5:16). But nothing in this biblical passage implies that this must be done before an audience. In fact, the implication is that our acknowledgement of faults may be aired to someone outside the meeting place.

     If I were to go before an assembled group of believers and confess every time I succumbed to a weakness, the pulpit cleric and his bunch would find no rest, for I would be on the phone contacting them and requesting an audience almost every hour of the day—and most hours of the night.  So let us say “Goodbye” to the “going forward” syndrome.
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    FREEDOM OUTSIDE THE PULPIT— “I gave up pulpiteering years ago in favor of freedom in Messiah Jesus. The spirit of man can survive only in an atmosphere of freedom, and it is difficult if not impossible to be free while enslaved to some sect or denomination. I love my freedom too much to allow some church or religious party to tell me what I can and cannot teach, what I can and cannot believe, and how I can or cannot conduct my daily affairs.
 
    “My allegiance is to a Man called Jesus, and it is to Him that I will give an account. It is in Him that I will stand or fall. And He is able to make me stand. I will never grow too old to acknowledge and listen to valid counsel from others, but I will never become so senile as to renounce my will in favor of religious slavery—no, never again.”www.mindspring.com/~renewal/Author.html .
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    CHICKEN ALCOHOLICS – TRUE STORY— “Mom canned everything she could get her hands on during the harvest season, including beets. One year some of the beets soured and fermented and she fed them to our chickens, not realizing the results. The chickens ate them and became so intoxicated they all ‘passed out’—flat on their backs, with their legs straight up in the air.
 
    “What a ‘fowl’ mess that turned out to be! And what a ‘hang-over’ those chickens must have had later. I’m not sure whether their next batch of eggs was fermented or not. Wouldn’t have made any difference, for as a poor family we would have eaten them, anyway.”— www.mindspring.com/~renewal/Author.html .
   
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