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Theology Forum / Re: Explain Hebrews 6
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 06:19:58 PM »
4WD---

Actually, no. The Bible does teach that by enduring you show you are saved.  Do you really believe YOU can endure to the end
in your own strength? The only one who will endure to the end is the one with God living within them, and working within them
to bring them to an "expected end".

Eternal life is not something that can be "earned" or "attained" by enduring.  It is a gift that CAUSES you to endure---and the very reason
you can and do is because you are saved.

Actually, no.  All of the  "if - then" clauses in the NT relating endurance, continuing, keeping on, holding on, persevering and such with attaining eternal life go the other way.  Here are just a very few of the very many examples:

Joh 8:31  So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;

Joh 15:7  "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

1Co 15:2  By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

Col 1:22  But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--
Col 1:23  if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.


In each and every instance, the continuing, the abiding, the holding is the condition upon which the conclusion is based.
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Churches of Christ Forum / Re: Church of Christ minister's education
« Last post by Norton on Today at 06:13:58 PM »
A church is very fortunate if it has elders or ministers who are both highly educated and highly personable. Its kind of unusual to have both traits in the same person. Our minister and elders are educated and are likeable, but not what you would call "people persons". There needs to be somewhat of a balance of the two gifts for a church to really prosper. I do not provide the balance. I'm like the minister and elders.
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Debates - Free For All / Re: Baptism is not in water
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 06:08:11 PM »
Someone may have posted this part of scripture and I missed it. But in Acts 10 v 47 Paul clearly teaches or shows Baptism for those who have already received the Holy Spirit.

But have yet to be saved.  There is no suggestion even that their sins had been forgiven.  And while they received empowering Holy Spirit there is no indication that they had yet the indwelling Holy Spirit.
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Theology Forum / salvation
« Last post by Hello on Today at 06:04:16 PM »
How do you get saved?

Is it by...
a. believing in what Jesus has done only
b. believing and doing a bunch of good works
c. believing, doing a bunch of good works, and trying to not sin

Also, if one willfully sins a lot after getting saved, is it too late?

Honestly curious. Thanks.

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Theology Forum / Re: Explain Hebrews 6
« Last post by sonofHilkiah on Today at 06:02:23 PM »
You seems to be ignoring the fact that if it was impossible for one of His children to leave the faith, then all the warnings are moot because they were written to them. Not so biblical then... The Lord said it is the one who endures to the end who'll be saves.
Of course, they will all be saved. Everyone born of God is a son or daughter of their Father. It is because they are saved that they endure, and they endure because they are saved. God doesn't make mistakes, nor is God an "absentee" Father. When He said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you" He meant it. It is a Promise, and He keeps ALL His promises. Because of this promise and other promises like this one that everyone truly born of God remains a son or daughter of God. We never lost our parentage. In my case, once a son, always a son. Just as a man in the natural can never say and it be true that the man that provided the sperm towards his birth is not his father.

The Bible never says if they are saved then they will endure.  It says just the opposite in so many places and so many ways that if they endure then they will inherit eternal life.
So, salvation or eternal life is dependent on endurance, not the cross?

Everyone named in the book of life will receive life from God. If they are saved, they will endure. Surely the unsaved will not, nor cannot, endure. As a matter of fact, being that the Scripture is given of God to and for His Covenant people ONLY, if one is in Covenant, was saved, is saved, will be saved, then their endurance is secured. They will endure because they are God's kids. Endurance, perseverance, if they are saved they will endure. And they will endure because they are saved. No one can pluck anyone from the hand of God, not even the one in His palm. God keeps His promise to His people, and one of the promises that He gave to His kids is that they will endure trial, tribulation, and on down the list (Rom. 8:35.)

Their lives are secure in God. Once a son, always a son. And whether one is born again at 17 and two weeks later dies, or the brethren that lives and passes away at 84, both have endured what God ordained they go through. Even from birth, born in sin and not knowing God, at the appointed TIME He will save them and whatever they go through in life God never said He would keep His people from suffering or tribulation, but He will go through it all with us. He makes us endure. What started in His Mind in Himself before creation He brings to pass in TIME. And only at the end to bring us all back into Trinity from where we began. As a matter of fact, we are already with Him. Everything has been said and done, all those whose names are in the book of life have already received life and we are all back in Trinity.

But not today.

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Theology Forum / Re: Explain Hebrews 6
« Last post by fish153 on Today at 06:00:44 PM »
4WD---

Actually, no. The Bible does teach that by enduring you show you are saved.  Do you really believe YOU can endure to the end
in your own strength? The only one who will endure to the end is the one with God living within them, and working within them
to bring them to an "expected end".

Eternal life is not something that can be "earned" or "attained" by enduring.  It is a gift that CAUSES you to endure---and the very reason
you can and do is because you are saved.
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Theology Forum / Re: suicide
« Last post by Hello on Today at 06:00:24 PM »
I don't want to talk about it
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Bergdahl
« Last post by MoodyMoose on Today at 05:54:26 PM »
The article I posted seems to be what the Fox one is discrediting. We'll see what happens. Obama probably figures people have forgotten about Bergdahl since he's not in the news now and the American people have been distracted by silliness like ball-gate.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Bergdahl
« Last post by BondServant on Today at 05:46:23 PM »
How do you mean?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/27/bergdahl-to-be-charged-with-desertion-ex-military-intel-officer-says/

"Pentagon and Army officials on Tuesday strongly denied claims that the U.S. military has decided to file desertion charges against Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was released by Taliban-aligned militants last year in exchange for five Guantanamo prisoners."
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Bergdahl
« Last post by MoodyMoose on Today at 05:43:49 PM »
How do you mean?
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