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Charlie said "I have never said the land promise was for one tribe"

Charlie said "The land promise is only through this lineage, which is the lineage of the Jews only"

You honestly don't see the error? When you say it is for the "Jews only" you are saying it is for one tribe only.

Oh yes, I see the error very clearly.

The twelve tribes came directly from Jacob. Scripture plainly says the land promise was given to Jacob and his descendants. It is the twelve tribes that inherit the promise. The twelve tribes are all Jews.

Conclusion: the land promise is only for the Jews.

Now, Christ is a direct descendant of Jacob. Christ is a direct descendant of king David. God said that Christ, the son of David, would sit on David's throne forever.

When the land promise is fulfilled by God to Israel, Christ will sit on that throne inside the boundaries of that land promise with all of Israel.
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Theology Forum / Re: Grace Alone Cannot Save You - Wake up, people
« Last post by Buster D Body Crab on Yesterday at 05:11:21 PM »
Buster D Body Crab,
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Romans 10:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.
The Amplified Version got it wrong. Even in the text you quoted from them it says confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord

The greek says confess & believe both into eis salvation, not confirming it. The AMP got it wrong there too.
Romans 10:9-10  Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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Theology Forum / Re: Once saved, Always saved..right?
« Last post by e.r.m. on Yesterday at 04:41:57 PM »
Jd34,
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If not, you wasn't saved to begin with.

How many times have you all heard that?

Any thoughts?
It's a very insecure way of living. You can't be sure you're saved until you die faithfully or until Jesus returns. I think the scriptures give assurance of being saved now.
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Theology Forum / Re: Grace Alone Cannot Save You - Wake up, people
« Last post by e.r.m. on Yesterday at 04:33:58 PM »
Buster D Body Crab,
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Romans 10:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.
The Amplified Version got it wrong. Even in the text you quoted from them it says confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord

The greek says confess & believe both into eis salvation, not confirming it. The AMP got it wrong there too.
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Introductions / Re: Hello there
« Last post by geronimo on Yesterday at 04:25:45 PM »
Welcome to Grace Centered Forums 1littlg8.
 Great moniker. Hope you enjoy your time here. There are some really knowledgeable folks here (I'm not one of them) but they are happy to answer any questions you may have.
 Continued blessings.
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Theology Forum / Re: Grace Alone Cannot Save You - Wake up, people
« Last post by Buster D Body Crab on Yesterday at 04:24:55 PM »
I recall there was someone that use to talk a great deal about the need for obedience in order to please God and thus be found worthy of entering Heaven.They also talked about works quite a bit.

Anyone remember who I'm speaking of?
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Catholic Forum / Re: Does the pope descern the times
« Last post by Catholica on Yesterday at 04:19:13 PM »
Here is your answer, Mike, if you actually desire an answer.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/audiences/2015/index.html#audiences

See if you can spot the talk on defending the traditional definition of marriage and family.  This year alone its about 95% of what he has been talking about.


Cath I have not the time or the inclination to read through all these lessons. Where is His reaction to scotus as to endorsing sin by not making a public statement. He believes his position as pope being the vicar of Christ and in complete agreement with the apostles and what the word of God clearly calls sin.


He did not wink at the world when he chose to condemn it for polluting the worlds air. Now he winks at this new law when gay people want to marry and have rights to bring up children. Who is he then to keep silent

Is that defining the family?


Mike all you are saying is, "why doesn't the pope behave exactly as I want him to behave".  In other words you want to be pope or think that the pope should be just like you.

I guarantee that defining the family will be a major topic at the synod on the family that the pope will be attending in September in Philadelphia. America is just one country among many in the world. The pope doesn't need to behave in a knee jerk fashion. The Catholic faith is unchangeable and the Church is not threatened by the American decision to legalize so-called gay "marriage".

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Theology Forum / Re: Grace Alone Cannot Save You - Wake up, people
« Last post by Buster D Body Crab on Yesterday at 04:14:25 PM »
Cheez,

Yes, repentance is required, but we don't lose our salvation every time we sin. Repentance will keep us from committing new sins, but they will not forgive the sins already committed, even after we're saved.  when we take the credit for what God does, when we leave God out of redemption, then that's works salvation, as described in Romans 9:32.

Charlie24,

The confessing in Romans 10:9-10 is not acknowledging that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of Living God.It's confessing Jesus as Lord, as it actually says. Surrendering to Jesus verbally that He is  Master, that He's in charge from now on.
Romans 10:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.
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Introductions / Hello there
« Last post by 1littlg8 on Yesterday at 04:08:26 PM »
Hello, I go by 1littlg8 mainly on forums on such.  I live in California, and I've been Christian for my entire life and am always interested to learn about anything pertaining to the bible, Jesus Christ, and anything else that has to do with Christianity.

So more about myself, I love video games, reading, cooking, and writing my own stories. If you'd like to play with me on Xbox or Steam, feel free to ask for my usernames and I'll happily add you. I am accepting of everyone, regardless of religion, race, etc. I plan to head into the Army after I finish High School. I hope to get to know all of you soon!
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Charlie said "I have never said the land promise was for one tribe"

Charlie said "The land promise is only through this lineage, which is the lineage of the Jews only"

You honestly don't see the error? When you say it is for the "Jews only" you are saying it is for one tribe only.


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