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Catholic Forum / Re: Sirach 21:18
« Last post by Catholica on Today at 04:09:42 PM »
Sirach 21
18 To an ignorant person, wisdom is as useless as a house gone to ruin. He has never even thought about the things he is so sure of.

Discuss.

If this is a proverb of sorts it bares witness to itself as being  a useless statement

Why is that?
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Like, for example (if I may use it again) say instead of this book, her daughter had been reading the Satanic Bible.  Or what if it was erotica.  Would it make sense for the pastor to say, this needs to be addressed, so everyone should get a copy and read it, and then we can have a dialog?  Really?
Apples to oranges.


That is your opinion, and those who share it probably do because they like the message in the book.

But the commandment cannot be set aside.  Yes we can do good on the Lord's Day, but thinking that we can worship God through works of charity alone (the message of this book) violates the commandment to observe the "Lord's Day" as a day of rest.

If you put it in perspective, the commandments themselves have a hierarchy.  The commandment to observe a day of rest for the Lord (4th in your reckoning, likely) is above the commandment to not commit adultery (the "7th") or not covet (the "10th") (each which might be an occasion of sin for some  from reading erotica).  So to introduce the idea that it is ok to break the 4th commandment is worse than encouraging people to read erotica.

 

However Paul so clearly says that some will see some days as different or 'special', and some will think of each day the same, and that neither are wrong.

Interesting interpretation; but I don't think the text actually says that.  Unless you are thinking of a different text than I am.  What verse(s) are you referring to?
 

Romans 14v5
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.


Right, but that is with regard to feasts and such.  The 4th commandment still stands (though now to be stood in light of the resurrection, which is rest in the Lord through worship on the Lord's day). Everyone should still be convinced of that if they read the Bible.

My belief is that in the New Covenant, every day is Holy.  We live in the perpetual "8th day", the day of the Lord.  That is one reason why the Catholic Church holds mass every day of the year.  The other reason is a fulfillment of Malachi 1:11.


 I believe that each day is holy and the same as any other. As long as we are right before God, we can each decide what we believe on this issue. I used to think that one day must be different and special, but after some time realised that was just what I has been told and not what God had said to me.
 

Yes, yet God created the concept of Sabbath for man, and commanded us to rest one day a week and also showed us how to worship him in the new covenant and demonstrated it in the New Testament.

To cast aside worship in for the sake of God on a weekly basis is a sin. And this book glorifies the committing of that sin.
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Theology Forum / Re: Its a shame...
« Last post by dalet on Today at 03:31:20 PM »
If Constantine did not accept the teachings of the disciples in the Roman pagan temple and the persecution of disciples stopped and lets say the pagan temples were destroyed along with its practices what would the discipline of the practice of Jesus look like ?

Regardless of of what you want to call the practice
A person learning to be like Yahosha is a disciple of Yahosha in learning his ways
The area of learning is a study of the discipline of Yahosha which was given another name later on that may have added or deviated from what Yahosha actually taught
Yahosha aka Jesus was humble in all his actions and words
He was humble in meaning:   
Not to be arrogant
not to be conceited and egotistical
not someone who brags and boast like a light to cause self-importance
to be modest, meek and down to earth
to be a no nonsense person and sensible
Not Fanciful
to be respectful
Did not degrade people and did not exalt self
unpretentious

Gave good words of the Creator for encouragement and to uplift life
Was kind and sharing
Caring to people and children
Did not discriminate between men and women, or of ethnic race, or in being poor or rich, or in being ill and strong, and saw pass traditional empty customs/religion of different people
Helped people in healing them as a sign in believing the power of the Creator
Prayed to The Creator anytime in private and called him Father, and Obviously Mighty Yah as in Eli Yah when people thought he called to the prophet Eliyah
Did not judge anyone on sinful actions in condemning them to hell but encourage them to repent to the Creator
Always encouraging to repent to the Creator
Advise people on actions of the heart and to keep it pure when repenting as it is by the heart that the Creator judge in being merciful
Did not go to a synagogue or temple specifically as a place to teach people but went there in sharing wisdom with the priest for them to conform 
Did not call the Creator by a name not fitting such as names of other Elohims as Rulers and of Baals as in being Lords of high status in command in being oppressive
Did not have anyone call him master or teacher in being a leader if they were not going to follow his teaching in full and did not force people to learn but offered words of wisdom of the heart
Did not have anyone worship and praise him or celebrate his birthday but indicate people to worship the Creator in his name as in character as how he would have done
Did not advise anyone to pray to him after death but implied to pray to the Creator in his name as in his character as how he would have prayed
Advises people to keep the commandments of Moses in there hearts in keeping the heart clean thus baptizing with the special words of fire that wrote the covenant(renewed in the heart as the fist one was breached after Israel disobeyed the terms)
Did not specifically hold the practice of water baptism in order to purify the heart in being forgiven after repentance to the Creator but did baptize as a symbol for purifying the heart in repenting that pleases the Creator in the message of repentance
Advises people to keep the good practices instilled by the Creator in guiding/ruling Israel in having a good life in all means including health as what is good to eat for food while indicating all animals are good for the echo system and for other purpose but not necessarily good for food.   
kept all practice as a memorial or a symbol of past times of works of the Creator including the Sabbath and Passover and also indicate to remember him during Passover 
Used a few figure of speech and parables to convey specific messages such as born again in getting a clean sheet or fresh start on sin after believing and having belief in the words of the Creator and of him Yahosha
Encourage people that were disciples to call out people from their old idol practice and practices not inline with the covenant and teach them the discipline which was the substance of his body/body of the Mashiah of the renewed covenant
Mat 28:19 to go and teach all nations as in calling out to all nations to give the special words(holy spirit) of the covenant of the Creator for a person to accept in their heart which would give them similar character of Yahuah and Yahosha . All those who accept, having the special words of the covenant(holy spirit) within them in keeping it in their heart will be a disciple being baptized with fire in purifying the heart....the special terms of the covenant is within them to always do good and share
Ultimately to have belief in the Creator that after Judgment persons being shown mercy by the Creator after repentance from the heart will enter a new kingdom


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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/17/pregnant-u-k-woman-is-dead-after-a-doctor-removed-the-wrong-org/20871243/
Apr 17th 2014 11:42AM

A pregnant U.K. woman is dead after a doctor removed the wrong organ during a routine surgery.

Maria De Jesus, 32, was admitted into the hospital in October 2011. She was 21 weeks pregnant with her fourth child and suffering from abdominal pains.

The Telegraph reports her doctor, Yahya Al-Abed, brought her into surgery to remove her appendix, but accidentally removed her ovary.


He should never be allow to practice again.  I have had my appendix removed but was so sick, that I did not have time to make sure that they took the right organ out.  At other times, I always use a black magic marker and made sure they knew which knee to replace. 
 

Well you didn't have an ovary to remove Red.
I had my appendix removed also 2 years ago, but my ovaries were already removed 10 years before that so no mistake was possible. It does seem incredible that a surgeon cant tell the difference between an ovary and an appendix.
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doesn't the beef of the palestinians began with them claiming heritage from Abraham?  although as you say God gave it to israel...

so they resign themselves to destroy israel because they feel the land should be theirs. 

no ismalel probably no dispute over canaan...Am I close...?
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Churches of Christ Forum / Re: Good Friday: Righteousness
« Last post by Johnb on Today at 03:22:44 PM »
Snargles
Actually we do not know the exact history of Good Friday.  We know it dates back at least to the 300s and probably was recognized by the early church.  Remember the Jewish Christians were still observing the Passover and it may have evolved from there,  It was observed by both the EO and RRC very early.  We don't see other churches observing it because there were no significant other groups until the Reformation.  We are not told to have buildings, song books, full time preachers and church staff either I guess we can blame that on the Catholics as well. It is just another aid to help folks feel closer to God.  Guess we could be like the JW and ban all holidays and make it a sin to give gifts on Christmas and Birthdays.   ::juggle::
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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/17/pregnant-u-k-woman-is-dead-after-a-doctor-removed-the-wrong-org/20871243/
Apr 17th 2014 11:42AM

A pregnant U.K. woman is dead after a doctor removed the wrong organ during a routine surgery.

Maria De Jesus, 32, was admitted into the hospital in October 2011. She was 21 weeks pregnant with her fourth child and suffering from abdominal pains.

The Telegraph reports her doctor, Yahya Al-Abed, brought her into surgery to remove her appendix, but accidentally removed her ovary.


He should never be allow to practice again.  I have had my appendix removed but was so sick, that I did not have time to make sure that they took the right organ out.  At other times, I always use a black magic marker and made sure they knew which knee to replace. 
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lots of treaties were signed DaveW...  can a treaty be considered a covenant?

It can.  But it is not Scripture.

not in scripture correct

but they both are agreements or pacts... 
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Thanks for your input I really appreciate it. How can any one be 100% sure about anything, but I do believe that she is very special. I guess the best way to get advice is to put it out there. She miscarried  about a week and a half ago and is still recovering from it, but wont rest herself as much as she has been told to by physicians
 

OK so was that your baby? Did you know that The Bible says not to have sex till after marriage? You have only known each other for 3 months and already she was pregnant. Its a very important to stay in Gods blessing by obeying Him in this. Having a baby at this time with all the issues she has would be a total disaster, especially outside marriage. She must have got pregnant in the first month of you being together.  Don't even think of sex again or a baby till you are married is my advise, and that's also what God tells us.

Take it slowly, in time as you get to know each other better, God will show you if you are to stay together if you stay open to Him. Just because she is special, doesn't mean that she is the one for you remember.
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There is no way that I would put up with that, and there is no way that I would be foolish enough to act like that myself.
He is getting his emotional needs met with her it seems, and not you, and they are effectively having an emotional affair. Its never a good idea for us to stay in contact with exes unless there are children who need to be considered, and even then strong boundaries are needed. 

After 2 years of dating is he talking about marriage at all? Is she married/in a relationship? Do you trust him that nothing else is going on when they meet up?

if he isn't prepared to give her up for you or put you first, then I cant see much hope for you to be honest. If they are so close and spend so much time talking and even meeting, then why did they break up anyway? You are right to feel uncomfortable. Maybe its the Holy Spirit warning you. There are red flags here.
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