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End Times Forum / Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Last post by Amo on Yesterday at 09:24:08 »

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Do we not see all such today? Are we not in much later times than the days of the Apostles? What latter times do yo suggest are being referred to above? Are your teachings not a fulfillment of the above prophecy? Yes they are.
General Discussion Forum / Re: Church Music
« Last post by soterion on Yesterday at 09:23:01 »
But today, the world is dominating the music of the church.

Today, it is quite possible the world is influencing so much of what the church is supposed to be about.

I would think if I was going to try and tackle worldly influences on the church, I would point out something a bit weightier than whether soloists, choirs, or instrumental music are being used. I don't even believe I would call this topic a salvation issue. I think there are more important topics to tackle for the good of all.

If you see a problem with worldly influence in the church, then any actual departure from the scriptures regarding music is just a symptom. You can't beat the problem by just pointing out one symptom. Find the root cause of that symptom, and others, and then deal with that root cause. If you do this, the music can take care of itself in time and you won't even necessarily have to mention it.

Browbeating people regarding this will get you nowhere. ::frown::
General Discussion Forum / Re: Church Music
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 09:16:28 »
On the subject of Church Music, "MeMyself" has proven herself to be a Politically Correct cultural Marxist and feminist!


I wonder what Jesus is gonna say now? I love the part when the Accuser sits back down and my defender stands up, and clears His throat....


(its heartbreaking how often the Accuser speaks through brothers and sisters in Christ  ::mopingaround::  )
End Times Forum / Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Last post by Amo on Yesterday at 09:15:38 »
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The dragon, who is identified as the devil in Rev 12, gives these beasts their power. Tell us when these things have already happened over all the world and then Satan was bound. We must have missed that in history class. No doubt you will claim all the world doesn't mean all the world. Your will change scripture to fit your chosen belief, rather than change your chosen belief to fit with scripture.
notice the Red Baron Pizza boxes-

I'll have to show this to my kids. Red Baron was their favorite frozen pizza when they were kids, but I never really thought of the historical connection when I bought the pizzas.

These two questions are the key to resolving this case of conscience.

If it is a case for conscience, only you can find the answer you need.

If you find that you can't sit at a church with a woman speaking up in Sunday school or co-teaching with her husband or leading choir/worship, then you need to allow yourself the permission to find a place that better suits your conscience.
General Discussion Forum / Re: Church Music
« Last post by jjeanniton on Yesterday at 09:10:23 »
On the subject of Church Music, "MeMyself" has proven herself to be a Politically Correct cultural Marxist and feminist!
It seems to me any restrictions on women preaching or teaching are in the church when assembled, not evangelism or other outside the assembly activities.

But then, I don't spend much time discussing this topic.

Dear "soterion,"

This case of conscience IS worth discussing, because either the act of teaching a mixed Sunday / Sabbath school class with adult or adolescent MALES in them is an exercise of authority over men or it isn't. Either the act of conducting and directing a mixed choir is an exercise of authority over men or it isn't. There are no other possible outcomes in the question of mixed choirs nor in the question of Sunday Schools. Neutrality in questions of the Law of God is treason! One is either a citizen or an enemy. Either you are INNOCENT or you are GUILTY. Paul the Apostle neither allows women to teach (adult males) nor to exercise authority over men in the affairs of the public worship (1 Timothy 2:11/12).

Is the act of teaching a mixed Sunday / Sabbath school class with adult or adolescent MALES in them is an exercise of authority over these males?  ::shrug::

Is the act of conducting and directing a mixed choir is an exercise of authority over men?  ::shrug::

These two questions are the key to resolving this case of conscience.
End Times Forum / Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Last post by Amo on Yesterday at 09:07:38 »
You guys are in lala land. Stop making the scriptures say what you want to believe, and accept what they plainly state.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

No indication above that this war would end thousands of years before Christ returns again, which event has not transpired as Preterists and their minions falsely claim.

Parenting and Family Life / Re: Grandparents roles and boundaries
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 08:54:55 »

It  was  very easy to be quiet  when visiting, but living with the is a big

difference.........  You cant  believe  how much stuff is  lying around when

they take things out and leave them..... and you need to walk around so
much,  and living out here in the  farm area,  they  leave the mud and
dirt on the shoes and feet, [ yep, they walk around with out shoes and
sock on some of them]  so my bed room get it  by my walking in it
in the rest of the house, and  children come in to my room to us the B.R.
a few times a day.......

Differences in what is important to her and what is important to you is all...it would make living together very difficult, but she isn't bad or lazy or anything like that...she just has different priorities.

My DIL is a scary rule maker! I do the best I can to abide by her rules at her house and hope she will be forgiving if I don't keep things as tidy as she'd like when I am there helping with the baby...

My priorities are relationships, hers are things that I just don't get all worked up about...but I respect her, she me and we do our best to love each other even when we have to grit our teeth through it! haha!
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