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General Discussion Forum / Re: When visitors walk into your church...
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 06:20:54 PM »
It would be my hope that they would leave and say, "I felt very welcomed there."

My son is dating a nonbeliever and I know that when she has come with us to church, which is sadly, not often, she feels VERY different.  She doesn't know the songs or the inside scripture jokes or things like that, but I do think she would say, "they were kind and welcoming to me".

Thanks for the response.  I am glad that the unbeliever feels different but also feels welcomed.  There is no way of knowing, but I wonder what she is thinking about the others, not just feeling about herself.  "Those folks aren't so different from me"  or "Those folks aren't like me at all."

Once again, please don't take my response as an argument or a disagreement.  It is neither.  I'm just trying to flesh out my thoughts.

I would guess that she thinks we are a bunch of silly simple minded religious dolts. haha.  But, she also is probably noticing how welcoming and kind people are.
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Nope. If he doesn't win, no one else could have. I think he could surprise you!

Again, pure speculation on your part. You say no one else could have won and I can't prove otherwise, so............ so what?
Would be like we were hands on the Hillbilly Ranch in West Texas and the boys (and/or girls) from the neighboring LBGT Ranch challenged us to a pick-up truck race to the nearest hill (you can see already this is pure speculation as there are no hills in West Texas). So, we have 17 trucks to choose from and you insist we can't take one of the Fords because they're too "establishment" for you, so we end up with an old El Camino (that really isn't a truck, but definitely is not a Ford) that you are absolutely certain is the only rig we can win with. I try to tell you otherwise, but alas, we are stuck with the El Camino.

So, the LBGT crew shows up in a brand new four wheel drive Chevy, get to the "hill" within about an hour, and we break down about halfway there. Walking back to Hillbilly with our tails dragging, I say, "Ya know, maybe we should have picked a different truck. Maybe we should have thought this through just a bit better". And of course you angrily respond, "How many times do I have to tell you, the El Camino was our only chance; and I'd rather lose with an El Camino than win with a Ford!!!!"

So, I decide the best thing to do is just walk along in silence. Can't prove any of the other 16 rigs would have resulted in a win, but can definitely prove the El Camino was a huge mistake.  ::lookaround::

Hindsight..... is always better.

We are not to that point yet, and as Jaime said " I think he could surprise you!"

Will you admit you are surprised? When it happens.

BTW... Mr Trump announce a while a ago that he will be laying out his comprehensive immigration policy within the next couple of weeks.

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General Discussion Forum / Re: When visitors walk into your church...
« Last post by bret75 on Yesterday at 05:54:02 PM »
It would be my hope that they would leave and say, "I felt very welcomed there."

My son is dating a nonbeliever and I know that when she has come with us to church, which is sadly, not often, she feels VERY different.  She doesn't know the songs or the inside scripture jokes or things like that, but I do think she would say, "they were kind and welcoming to me".

Thanks for the response.  I am glad that the unbeliever feels different but also feels welcomed.  There is no way of knowing, but I wonder what she is thinking about the others, not just feeling about herself.  "Those folks aren't so different from me"  or "Those folks aren't like me at all."

Once again, please don't take my response as an argument or a disagreement.  It is neither.  I'm just trying to flesh out my thoughts.
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Nope. If he doesn't win, no one else could have. I think he could surprise you!

Again, pure speculation on your part. You say no one else could have won and I can't prove otherwise, so............ so what?
Would be like we were hands on the Hillbilly Ranch in West Texas and the boys (and/or girls) from the neighboring LBGT Ranch challenged us to a pick-up truck race to the nearest hill (you can see already this is pure speculation as there are no hills in West Texas). So, we have 17 trucks to choose from and you insist we can't take one of the Fords because they're too "establishment" for you, so we end up with an old El Camino (that really isn't a truck, but definitely is not a Ford) that you are absolutely certain is the only rig we can win with. I try to tell you otherwise, but alas, we are stuck with the El Camino.

So, the LBGT crew shows up in a brand new four wheel drive Chevy, get to the "hill" within about an hour, and we break down about halfway there. Walking back to Hillbilly with our tails dragging, I say, "Ya know, maybe we should have picked a different truck. Maybe we should have thought this through just a bit better". And of course you angrily respond, "How many times do I have to tell you, the El Camino was our only chance; and I'd rather lose with an El Camino than win with a Ford!!!!"

So, I decide the best thing to do is just walk along in silence. Can't prove any of the other 16 rigs would have resulted in a win, but can definitely prove the El Camino was a huge mistake.  ::lookaround::
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Nope. If he doesn't win, no one else could have. I think he could surprise you!
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Theology Forum / Re: Three baptisms?!?!?!?
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:49:22 PM »
AVZ,
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So how that work for the aborigine in deep dark Africa who you claim can also be saved by the goodness of his own works?
How do you propose the aborigine enters into the new covenant?
Where exactly is the deep dark part of Africa? lol.

I would say the Congo, but missionaries have been there already!!!

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Just no more references of the GOP electorate screwing up nominating Trump, thank you. I might consider your first born!

If he loses, then it was an absolute undeniable screw up. Whether anyone else could have won or not is pure speculation, but
there will be nothing to speculate about with a loss. Theoretical wins or losses are just that, but proven loss is not theory. The GOP electorate had 17 to choose from and chose Trump. He loses, they screwed up. Your speculative opinion is a flat as west Texas given a proven loss.  ::tippinghat::
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Theology Forum / Re: Three baptisms?!?!?!?
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:47:39 PM »
Charlie said...

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SM, you have no idea what you are talking about. You pretend to be the master of the covenants and don't even know the connection between the old and the new. You can't see the difference between the flesh and the spirit. No wonder the salvation you teach is full of devils.

I don't pretend to be any such thing, Charlie...but at least I have studied the covenants, for better part of a year as the subject of my dissertation. I know far more about them than you do, and probably more than anyone else here on this board. That is not pride, that is just a fact (maybe, maybe not). I see the clear difference between spirit and flesh, but you claim to and don't. What I teach has no devils in it, but I can't say the same for what you cling to.

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Moses said in Deut. 30:6,
"And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Does "circumcise the heart" ring a bell, SM? Moses is speaking of the New Covenant.


Just like I said, Charlie, you don't know half of what you so confidently claim that you do. Moses is not speaking of the New Covenant here, he is clearly and plainly speaking of the Old Covenant that he mediated, because the New Covenant does not have any curses in it (among other things). Moses never wrote about the new covenant, and he barely even wrote ONCE about the Messiah.

You need to study some more without your calvinist glasses on.

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The circumcision of the flesh and works of the old covenant has become the circumcision of the heart in spirit of the new covenant.

Negative. God tells the Israelites all through the OT to circumcise their hearts, which is a metaphor intimating the same idea as crucifying the flesh - putting to death what YOU want, your desires and wants, and living for the will of God. This they consistently did not do as a nation, and so they eventually went into exile for their disobedience...because they didn't circumcise their hearts.

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Rom. 3:29
"But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

The circumcision of the new covenant is that of the heart, in spirit, and not in the works of the letter (law). It's a spiritual circumcision, and that is the salvation of the new covenant. The circumcision made without hands by Christ.

Negative, you are now grasping for straws. Circumcision of the New Covenant comes to a person once, and after, they have entered into the New Covenant. You don't get anything that God has made provision for through the New Covenant until AFTER you enter therein...through water baptism. Again, what has God provided for in the New Covenant?

salvation
eternal life
redemption
imputed righteousness
imputed holiness
atonement in Christ
reconciliation
the indwelling Spirit of God
the gifts of the Spirit
etc...etc...etc...

And you don't receive not one thing unless you have entered into the covenant through water baptism...and you do NOT retain any of them unless you remain abiding in Christ through walking in obedience to the covenant law of the New Covenant - the Law of Christ. That is how covenants work, and God modeled the New Covenant after ANE covenants so that His intentions could be clearly made and understood by the people of the day.

That is the key...YOU, nor I, are people of the day when the covenant was given, nor have we ever, as European settlers of this country (and whatever other foreigners to this country, unless you are native american like I am), have ANY concept of middle eastern covenants. The Scriptures were written to middle eastern peoples, in the legal custom of the day (covenant), and the only way we can completely understand the new covenant is by learning about the covenanting of their day and applying those principles to our understanding of the Scriptures.

People don't...you don't...that is why we have a thousand dead churches in this country today where no one in the congregations speak in tongues, no one manifests any of the gifts of the Spirit, no one is healed, the Spirit doesn't visit their services, etc., etc...

When yo don't understand covenanting, you emasculate the Scriptures and all that God tells us in them. Its like trying to have a live human being without the brain...he is "brain-dead." The church is no good to God when it can't perform what He has designed it to, and it can't perform because it doesn't know its authority or power, or how to remain walking in relationship with Him.


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Col. 2:11
" In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ

I know you will deny it, but here it is black and white!

You still have much to learn. I don't deny the passage, but you don't understand it, for the exact reason that I just finished explaining to you above. One is not circumcised in Christ if he is NOT in Christ...and one only remains in Christ by walking in obedience to Him after he has entered into Christ through water baptism.

I could give you the passages, but you will ignore them, so I won't waste my time. If you decide to want to learn something, rather than just argue, then hit me up and I will be glad to go over them with you detail by detail.

Blessings!



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You laugh as you will. You ignore the truth. How long will he forgo the judgment as the world is given to perversion. When did God destroy Sodom. before it went gay or after?  Immigration and terrorism will be a key player in bringing about the man of sin. You ignore that their would be signs. You should discern them. Your indifference is noted

NO one is disputing what you say.

But unless you have definitive proof that Jesus will be back for what ever reason you personally believe
from  a pre-trib rapture, or to actually fight with his saints in Armageddon that something is certain to happen before November 8,  2016 then the key most important thing in every persons mind is the US election.

Now , we have had a sprited debate on here for more then a year about it.

Yes, it gets nasty at times.... That also happenes between fans viewing a superbowl routing for opposite teams.

NO one here is out to disrespect anyone and no one here is out to make light of the seriousness that Jesus may return even before I finish and post this.

Trump has been called the anti-Christ... ( though if people would pay attention that name does fit Hillary
much better with her past.)

Trump has been called Hitler... ( though agai Hillary is the one that has mesmerized and hypnotised her followers to the point that they are not even aware of the scandals following her on her campaign trail)

Trump has been referred to Mussolini....

Again... if you cannot guarantee that something will happen before Nov. 8.... I can assure you that your posts are not having any effect on those reading them.

We all are aware that yours is a serious matter.

But while we wait upon the Lord, we DJT supporters want it to be in a more comfotable manner with someone who wants to get the US back on track.
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Theology Forum / Re: Three baptisms?!?!?!?
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:27:21 PM »
There is only one correct meaning of anything in Scripture, which we can usually determine through the process of Biblical Hermeneutics.
Hold on there, cowboy...

That isn't how Matthew 1:23 uses Isaiah 7:14, when it quotes it.  That isn't how Matthew 2:15 uses Hosea 11:1, either.  I don't think Matthew got your memo!

Jarrod


I was generalizing, Tonto! Prophecy is a shelf unto itself when it comes to hermeneutics, particularly those few passages that do have a double meaning, like the prophecy in Daniel about the abomination of desolation and having two literal fulfillments.

Prophecy does not usually follow the same hermeneutic principles as the rest of Scripture, just like we have to apply a different set of rules when speaking about figures of speech, depending upon which type is used, etc.

Blessings!
Double check that reference in Hosea.  Hosea may be a prophet, but he was talking about a past event that already had a concrete interpretation.  Matthew applies it differently, anyway.

Jarrod

Yah, that one has bothered me many times. It almost seems as if Matthew just pulled that one out of his hat...but since the Spirit gave him the reference I have to come to terms with the fact that perhaps it does have a double fulfillment.

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