I did not say what I did to offend you, only to remind you that you should do more studying of this subject before speaking. Search the NT and you will see that Paul rebuked believers for their ignorance concerning certain subjects. I do believe that you labor to be faithful base upon the light that you have, and that within itself, is a good thing. Receive what I said in love, and not hatred.
In Christian Love,
I make no claims to infallibility (though some foolishly do) Yet you do not show me my error save assert your perception that I was rambling.
I was rejecting the idea that people are prewired for salvation when there is nothing in scripture to uphold that .
Indeed did not Paul in Ephesians say to those who were BORNagain that we are" WERE as all men sons of disobedience"
Pray tell did not God create man?
Did God create man to live or to die?
For darkness or for light?
What was the will of man when He said "Let us make man in our own image" if not that "man shall not LIVE by every tree that was good to eat but by every Word that procceeded out of the mouth of God"?
How is it then that they who claim they understand the teaching of Calvin do not understand the teaching of scripture?
Indeed deny it .
and those who reject the teachings of Calvin reject the teachings of scripture on the foundations of the others errors?
How is it then you cannot follow a sequential argument on the understanding that some who would or could read it had some spiritual understanding; but which you perceived was rambling .
At what point then was I wrong ?
I would suggest that you take a look at the list of subjects in this and many other so called Christian forums and see the volumes of ignorance and the great dearth of understanding. With more questions of the " ye hath God said" variety than any desire for the light .
Why should I be offended as your post simply made me look again at what I had written .I am offended however by much that is written here and elsewhere that men have conjoured up out of the imaginations of their own heart at best and quote scripture as rocks hurled at each other .
and was deeply offended with the assertion and the lie that men are prewired for salvation or damnation.
ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God .Is it not also written that we are born in sin and shapen in iniquity? and of a corruptable seed? Then who is excluded?
and if none are excluded then all are doomed to be damned as every seed is predestined to bring forth fruit after its own kind.
Therefore all who are born of Adams seed are predestined to bring forth corruption unto death.
For know ye not the wages of sin is death?
How is it then you do not know that" you MUST be BORNagain" of what seed? "Of the incorruptible seed which is the Word of God "
How then do you not know that as the law is for one seed so it is for all and if a corrupted seed is predestined to bring forth corruption unto death .So an inccorruptable seed is predestined to bring forth righteousness unto life .
I hold that ALL the 'ISMS' that bedevil the church (literally) are ALL wrong .
Taking but A truth or doctrine and seeking to understand all scripture by it .
The errors of one camp who do so then are used as justifircation of the errors of the ones who oppose them.
For either all the ISMS have two opposing camps or else they are split into a myriad of splinter and "subtle" differences . But all of the strife confusion and self righteousness is of the flesh the world and the devil.
While I have not studied Calvin much I have studied the scriptures more .But this I did find out from his writing ,He used the principle of a sequential argument and used such scripture as was needed and pertinent to the subject in hand as a foundation to his argument and to further it along. That argument needed to be followed.
Given the English of it I found that very hard as the thinking of the reformers was of a highly trained mind .
I do not have their training to follow their argument . But the Bible on the other hand I have been trained in.
and there I see that Calvin followed the principle of Pauls method of proving his case exemplified to perfection in the letters of Romans and Hebrews in particular .
I doubt very much if modern 'theologians' have ever followed Calvins arguments and understood each part as he went . For not many follow the arguments of Paul either. Assuming like Saul of Tarsus that if you know Greek and Hebrew you will and can understand the scriptures as they are to be understood.
But what said the Lord?
"When the Spirit of truth shall come HE will LEAD us into all truth" No man arrives at the truth by jumping to conclusions . Nor indeed does he arrive at or come to a knowledge of the truth if he is not willing to be LED to it by HIM who is the good and faithful shepherd of our souls.
and going by the many divisions strifes and discord over even the MILK of the Word let alone the little MEAT that is preached . It is a wonder that while many claim to know the truth , Seem unable to lead anyone else by the way they came to it.
But simply make great assertions that it si the truth and others claim some great 'revelation' that it is.
if a man has by Him who lead us into all truth cannot lead others the same way he was led .Then while all children of God can teach the basics or should be able to be teachers of the milk of the Word (even as Pauls said)
In other matters they are less qualified .
So when people often say to me I am an ignorant man but do not then show me where I am ignorant or in error .
but simply assert that I am . You will not be surprised when I am not moved by their perceptions of me .