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Seventh Day Adventist Forum / Re: The Antichrist power
« Last post by Amo on Yesterday at 07:14:39 PM »
Mt 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Nothing about being the Mother of harlots in the above verses. Though apostate Israel was the harlot of the old covenant when she was in an apostate condition. She is not the apostate church of the new covenant which is the Mother of harlots during this new covenant dispensation. Jerusalem's house was left unto them desolate. After rejecting and crucifying their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and persecuting His followers, their cup was full. Their allotted time predicted in Daniel 9:24 was up, they finished their transgression, the kingdom was taken from them, their temple was destroyed, and the nation destroyed along with it. They would never again be a virgin daughter, or an apostate whore. The kingdom was taken from them and given to another producing the fruits thereof. Thus they could never again represent either.

Mt 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

This is the truth which makes it impossible for literal Israel to ever represent God's true or apostate people again. The kingdom was given to the followers of Christ, and those who profess such alone, can represent either anymore. You are stuck in the old covenant concerning biblical prophecy because you refuse this truth. The true church of Christ is the Israel of God during this new covenant era. It is a spiritual nation composed of those who accept the truth from every nation. No literal nation can ever represent the kingdom of God anymore, for all who would be of the kingdom of God during this new covenant era must be born again. Christ's true church can never be apostate again, though there are many apostates who claim Christianity today. The Church of Rome being the Mother of all the same, being the original who first committed fornication with the kings of this earth unto this end. Until you understand these truths, you will never truly or correctly understand biblical prophecy.

The Church is now the Israel of God.  Thus has she been given the attributes of the same.

Exod 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Israel was said to be a peculiar people of God, a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.  The Church of Christ is given all the same attributes.

Hosea 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Though many of Israel would not be God’s people, yet the number of the children of Israel would be as the sand of the sea.  This would be accomplished when those who were not called God’s people, should be called the sons of the living God.  The Church is composed of those who were not the people of God, who became the people of God. They are the children of promise that are counted for the seed, which are the children of God. They are no longer strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints and of the very household of God.

Deut 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

1 Pet 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

As Israel was called to be a holy people unto God, so the Church is called to be a holy people unto God.

Deut 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

AS Israel were a people of inheritance to God, so the Church are a people of inheritance to God.

Jer 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

As the Lord was the shepherd of Israel, so the Lord is the shepherd of the Church.

Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

As Israel was saved with everlasting salvation, so the Church is saved with eternal salvation.

Lev 26:11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. 12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

Exod 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary;that I may dwell among them.

Exod 29:44 And I will sanctify the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar: I will sanctify also both Aaron and his sons, to minister to me in the priest's office.
45 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.
46 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

As God placed His temple in the midst of Israel, that He might dwell among them, so Christ became the living temple and dwelt among us.  The Church is connected to God through His Son Jesus Christ in a way far superior to that capable of being so during the old covenant dispensation. God became one of us, and therefore the living temple of God in human flesh, of which the Church is the body.  Now all who are in Christ are truly literal flesh and blood children of God.

Isa 54: 5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

Hosea 2:19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

As God was an husband to the nation of Israel, so now is the Church married to God in and through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  Again it is in a far superior way that the Church is betrothed to God in Christ. As a man and a woman become one flesh in marriage, so humanity and God became one flesh in and through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who literally became one with our human flesh in order to live the life we could not live, and die the death we could not die. 

Thus all who are in Christ are the literal flesh and blood children of God.  These things the old covenant nation of Israel only pointed to, have been accomplished upon us, the new covenant Israel of God.  PRAISE GOD’S PURE, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, UNDEFILED, AND AWESOME NAME IN AND THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST FOR OUR UNDESERVED SALVATION AND EXALTATION AS THE LITERAL SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.

Now all who are in Christ are the Israel of God, whether Jew or Gentile.  Now all those who reject the same are none of His, and have no part of the kingdom of God or the gospel of the same, whether Jew or Gentile.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: shout out to Rella and mommydi...
« Last post by doorknocker on Yesterday at 05:09:07 PM »
I cant for the life of me think why anyone would want that awful man to lead their country.

Maybe God wants him to be President and has a purpose for it.

God is not picking presidents to rule Babylon. Both Hillary and Trump have one thing in common, Their ambitions.

This was spoken to the king of Babylon. ..

Daniel 4,  17
The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the Holy ones,

to the end that the living may know that the MOST HIGH rules the kingdom of men, and gives it to whom HE will,

and sets over it the lowliest of men.

Romans 13
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.

For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by GOD.

He is not appointing but allowing. God instituted government but that doesn't  make  those who hold office godly.  Nor does it make any president a God chosen man. Do you think God chose the Roman Empowers

I believe the testimony that says that God will give rule to whom He will.

God can give rule to the ungodly also as He pleases for  His purposes.

Romans 9, 17
For the scripture says to Pharaoh,  "I have raised you up for the very purpose of showing My power in you,

so that My Name may be proclaimed in all the earth."

Was Pharaoh a godly man?

Do you know the purposes that are in God's mind, whether He raises up a godly ruler or an ungodly ruler

so that His purposes come to pass?

Daniel 4,  17
.......to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men, and gives it to whom He will.....

In John 19  Pilate said to Jesus.......

Do you know that I have power to release you, and power to crucify you?

Jesus answered him......

You would have no power over me unless it has been given you from above.

Again I ask who grants power and rule to whomever He chooses?

Personally I believe that all comes from God's hands, and His purposes cannot be thwarted.

Do you really think that God is not in control of HIS creation?
 Just my opinion, but we start "Encouraging" instead of "Condemning". Being positive (like, we're saved from hell) instead of negative like God is waiting to catch us in a lie and zap us.
End Times Forum / Re: Matthew 24:29
« Last post by Star of David on Yesterday at 04:26:50 PM »

If you would simply read my posts, dpr, you would easily see that I do not know the day or hour of Christ's return to earth, just the precise dates of the three 1999 celestial events described by Christ to His apostles in Matthew 24:29, which He did ca. 30 A.D.

Already read your posts, no need to read anymore of what you say. The Holy Spirit tells me to not trust what you say. Bye. Don't ask me anything.

I'm not going to ask you anything (for obvious good reasons), dpr. Just to repeat that non-astronomers are ill-equipped to "get" the Last Days correctly, according to the Final Authority on the matter, Jesus Christ Himself in Luke 21:25a.

Now I'm done.
End Times Forum / Re: Matthew 24:29
« Last post by dpr on Yesterday at 03:54:10 PM »

If you would simply read my posts, dpr, you would easily see that I do not know the day or hour of Christ's return to earth, just the precise dates of the three 1999 celestial events described by Christ to His apostles in Matthew 24:29, which He did ca. 30 A.D.

Already read your posts, no need to read anymore of what you say. The Holy Spirit tells me to not trust what you say. Bye. Don't ask me anything.
Christian Marriage Forum / Re: Marriage help, new to reformed faith
« Last post by Stacie Cook on Yesterday at 03:20:41 PM »
Sorry for this quick reply. We have had a busy weekend.
Thank you all for the input. I appreciate it.
We have had a talk about these issues I mentioned. I am not sure we arrived at anything specifically, but we talked about lots of things and my concerns were heard and taken into consideration. I also have listened to my husband's concerns and taken them into consideration. Thank you again.
Check this out: link removed per forum rules.  Please read them Thanks JohnB.

What do you think? How do we fix this in our culture?
End Times Forum / Re: Matthew 24:29
« Last post by Star of David on Yesterday at 02:35:35 PM »

A metaphor for what?

The following is what I was able to reason as an extremely bright 10-year-old child in 1964:

 "Because Christ was quoted to tell His apostles in Luke 21:25a, that "there will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars...," it was apparent to me that the astronomers living just prior to Christ's return ought to be able to derive the general time frame for His return using the events described in Matthew 24:29."

You're trying to make it too hard. It's simple, it's about the events to occur on the "day of the Lord", i.e., the last day of this present world when God is going to shake this earth again, and bring His consuming fire upon it burning man's works off the surface of it, like Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10.

Actually, my approach was quite simple and straightforward and allowed me to uncover the fulfillment of Matthew 24:29 in 1999 by the end of 1990 to be Child's Play for me.

Your approach, on the other hand, is quite arcane, dpr.

Sorry, but only the gullible wouldn't be able to figure out your game, since by your false claim of fulfillment of that Scripture you would be saying you knew the day and hour of Christ's return, which you do not, for no man does. And here you've even tried to set DATES to show even more ignorance!

If you would simply read my posts, dpr, you would easily see that I do not know the day or hour of Christ's return to earth, just the precise dates of the three 1999 celestial events described by Christ to His apostles in Matthew 24:29, which He did ca. 30 A.D.

Not for the first time, I say once again, it has been over 20 years since I learned not to be concerned with the opinions of non-astronomers. It is no wonder that in Luke 21:25a that Christ told His apostles that it shall only be the Last Generation of bright Christian astronomers who will best understand God's true plan for the years leading up to the day of Christ's return to earth.

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