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That was a question that was posed to me siting at the table during Thanksgiving dinner.

It took me off guard and my answer was -  I just know.

Why should I have to defend that or better yet feel guilty by not defending that?

The correct answer, I think, is that no one knows that God is not an illusion. Believers believe that God is real and is not an illusion.
 

Believers know that God is real and is not an illusion.

Wow, chosenone, you've just obliterated the concept of faith.

Of course, a knowledgeable person on the concepts of "knowing", "believing", and "God" agree with me.  If it was true that God was "knowable," there would not be a single atheist in the world.
 

After 40 years of knowing Him, I know He is real. I have seen so much evidence after all this time as well.



Oh, a person can have beaucoups and beaucoups of what they think is evidence that supports the existence of God, but it will never constitute one iota of proof of His existence.

I know from experience of what I speak.

When Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin to explain His belief that He is the long-prophesied Messiah spoken of in the Jewish scriptures, His only resort would have been to walk the members of the Sanhedrin through the process of His discovery beginning when He was a young Jewish child learning the Jewish scriptures and noticing that His life ran a very uncanny parallel with the messianic prophecies which led Jesus to tell His mother, at the age of 12, when He was 'lost in the temple', "Why are you surprised to find me here? Don't you know that I should be going about my Father's business?" (Or something like that.)


Had Jesus began His explanation in this truthful way, He knew that He would have been digging a deep hole for Himself in the eyes of the members of most of the Sanhedrin and that is why, when asked by the head of the Sanhedrin if He was, indeed, the Messiah, He simply replied,  "I am."

You may not see proof but I have seen loads of proof. If I wasnt 100% sure God was real I wouldnt be a Christian.

You've seen loads of proof of God, chosenone?  Well, please tell us all what this "proof" is that you've "seen". I doubt if whatever you tell us can be truly characterized as "proof" and more likely will be a "feeling" or an "impression" of yours. 

Not even the existence of planet earth is "proof" of God.  That is only proof of earth.
No nothing to do with feelings and impressions. 
Healings, lives changed completely, deliverances, His awesome creation around us. Many of other faiths seeing Jesus Christ in dreams and visions and converting, His spiritual gifts in operation.


I know that this will fall on deaf ears, chosenone, but you are describing "beliefs" in God's actions, not "proofs" of God.

 I am not going to debate this with you any more as you evidently do not know what the definition of "proof" is.
 

Someone being instantly healed after prayer to God is proof that He is real. Miracles are proof that He is real. If he wasnt real, there would be no healing and no lives changed and no miracles. No universe and no us. Maybe your definition is different from mine.

I agree that your definition of "proof" is different from mine. The trouble is, chosenone, that there is only one correct definition of "proof".

You don't need to convince me that God is real, chosenone. I personally witnessed, up close, God-delivered miracles in the lives of two diametrically opposite Christian individuals during 1988 - 1991.


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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Why??? and do you agree?
« Last post by Rella on Today at 10:14:37 AM »
Why would it be "illegal" to tear it up?

Yes.

Assuming that it is done under congressional agreement, such as the passing of it in the first place, why would it be illegal.

In the agreement itself... is

this Act does not require a vote by Congress for the agreement to commence;

Which should be countered as the act could be terminated without a vote of congress.

It is a bad deal. They were given the right to self-inspect for nuclear whatevers...

But with this in the agreement " the adequacy of the agreement's safeguards to ensure that Iran's permitted activities will not be used to further any nuclear-related military or nuclear explosive purpose, including research; and"

and... their self inspecting... WE do not and can not know how "honest" they are.

So, it is a poor agreement and needs to be ripped up and a new one drawn up.

S.615 - Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/615

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Lol ok sophia where did that come from???
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That was a question that was posed to me siting at the table during Thanksgiving dinner.

It took me off guard and my answer was -  I just know.

Why should I have to defend that or better yet feel guilty by not defending that?

The correct answer, I think, is that no one knows that God is not an illusion. Believers believe that God is real and is not an illusion.
 

Believers know that God is real and is not an illusion.

Wow, chosenone, you've just obliterated the concept of faith.

Of course, a knowledgeable person on the concepts of "knowing", "believing", and "God" agree with me.  If it was true that God was "knowable," there would not be a single atheist in the world.
 

After 40 years of knowing Him, I know He is real. I have seen so much evidence after all this time as well.



Oh, a person can have beaucoups and beaucoups of what they think is evidence that supports the existence of God, but it will never constitute one iota of proof of His existence.

I know from experience of what I speak.

When Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin to explain His belief that He is the long-prophesied Messiah spoken of in the Jewish scriptures, His only resort would have been to walk the members of the Sanhedrin through the process of His discovery beginning when He was a young Jewish child learning the Jewish scriptures and noticing that His life ran a very uncanny parallel with the messianic prophecies which led Jesus to tell His mother, at the age of 12, when He was 'lost in the temple', "Why are you surprised to find me here? Don't you know that I should be going about my Father's business?" (Or something like that.)


Had Jesus began His explanation in this truthful way, He knew that He would have been digging a deep hole for Himself in the eyes of the members of most of the Sanhedrin and that is why, when asked by the head of the Sanhedrin if He was, indeed, the Messiah, He simply replied,  "I am."

You may not see proof but I have seen loads of proof. If I wasnt 100% sure God was real I wouldnt be a Christian.

You've seen loads of proof of God, chosenone?  Well, please tell us all what this "proof" is that you've "seen". I doubt if whatever you tell us can be truly characterized as "proof" and more likely will be a "feeling" or an "impression" of yours. 

Not even the existence of planet earth is "proof" of God.  That is only proof of earth.
No nothing to do with feelings and impressions. 
Healings, lives changed completely, deliverances, His awesome creation around us. Many of other faiths seeing Jesus Christ in dreams and visions and converting, His spiritual gifts in operation.


I know that this will fall on deaf ears, chosenone, but you are describing "beliefs" in God's actions, not "proofs" of God.

 I am not going to debate this with you any more as you evidently do not know what the definition of "proof" is.
 

Someone being instantly healed after prayer to God is proof that He is real. Miracles are proof that He is real. If he wasnt real, there would be no healing and no lives changed and no miracles. No universe and no us. Maybe your definition is different from mine.
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End Times Forum / Re: Heavenly Temple
« Last post by notreligus on Today at 09:58:54 AM »
What is the reason of the heavenly Temple?
And why a Temple is not in the New Jerusalem.

The priesthood changed with Christ now as our one Great High Priest.   According to the Book of Hebrews His blood was presented in the heavenly Holy of Holies.   Christ now reigns over a spiritual kingdom from Heaven.

There will be no need for a temple in the New Jerusalem because Christ will be there with His people for eternity. 

Rev 21:22  And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Why??? and do you agree?
« Last post by NorrinRadd on Today at 09:57:34 AM »
Why would it be "illegal" to tear it up?
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Theology Forum / Re: How many Gods?
« Last post by chosenone on Today at 09:55:48 AM »
Many gods,one God. 
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Theology Forum / Re: The simple way to be saved.
« Last post by MeMyself on Today at 09:53:31 AM »
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If it is so simple, why there are hundreds of protestant denominations?

Salvation has less than nothing to do with denominations!
Salvation isn't found within any title; but only in Christ Jesus
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Question to posters
« Last post by mclees8 on Today at 09:51:53 AM »
How many here would say  political Babylon is the political system of the world?

Babylon is symbolic of the evil antichrist world system.    This world system contaminates most everything in some way, including politics.   If you have the recent United States election in process in mind, I would say that much of which we have seen take place is rooted in evil, but nothing which compares with how an evil man like Hitler used politics as the vehicle for his evil deeds.

You are right that Babylon is code word for the systems that are independent of God working in the religious , political and monetary systems of the world. The antichrist is a man who has good intentions. The world will see him as a doer of good. everyone will prosper and the merchant will lavish themselves with their riches

He will establish a peace in the Middle East But in 3& 1/2 years after he shall say he is God.  He will then kill anyone who will not take his mark. Christians will be hunted down as Terrorists.  This will be terrine to the likes of no other.   

This will be the great testing of the church tried in the fire. Only those who endure to he end and love not their life to the death shall know Christ in heaven.

 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 . Re 15:1-3[/u][/size]
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Theology Forum / Re: The simple way to be saved.
« Last post by notreligus on Today at 09:49:59 AM »
The entrance into salvation is very simple.

If it is so simple, why there are hundreds of protestant denominations?

The answer to that is visible right here at this discussion board.  We won't let a dead religion and the Law alone, but we try to revive it to varying degrees.  The varying degrees are the denominations.   If we made pie charts of denominational beliefs with slices of Law and Grace each pie chart for each denomination would be different and range from a pie that is one complete pie of Law to one complete pie of Grace.   We refuse to understand that salvation is God's own provision to which man's works can make absolutely no contribution.     
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