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Theology Forum / Re: Changing Masters in Romans 6
« Last post by skeeter on Yesterday at 07:41:21 PM »
Of course we have to choose every day; the devil wouldn't have it any other way.
Well thank God the devil is not in charge.

Saying you don't have to choose is like saying you are never tempted or tried in any way.

I disagree, that's not the same. I believe I can be bothered by the devil perhaps in many ways I can't even imagine. Temptation may be one of the things but that doesn't really have power over me any more. Probably over 90% of the things I ask forgiveness for are mental, i.e. for thoughts I had, even involuntary ones.

Each day presents us with opportunities to oppose God's will, and we have to choose otherwise.
You posted the verse from 1st John which says they that are born of God cannot sin. It seems like you don't believe that it pertains to me though. Why is that?

Besides, remember what Paul said about taking heed if you think you stand...
Good point. But I don't think I'm complacent.

I worked out my salvation with fear and trembling as commanded.

I think we can sin - we just don't live a sinful lifestyle.  It isn't the norm for us - it isn't our way of life. 

I think I'm mostly  too tired anymore...  ::smile::
Apologetics Forum / “Election”
« Last post by Netchaplain on Yesterday at 07:40:48 PM »
The proper standpoint from which to get a saving view of the death of the Lord Jesus is not election, but the consciousness of our ruin.  This is an unspeakable mercy, inasmuch as I know I am a lost sinner; but I do not know that I am one of the elect, until I have received, through the Holy Spirit’s testimony (Rom 8:16) and teaching (1 Cor 2:13), the glad tidings of salvation through the Blood of the Lamb.

Salvation is preached to me, not as one of the elect, but as one utterly lost, guilty and undone; and when I have received this salvation, there is conclusive evidence of my election.  “Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God; for our Gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance” (1 Thes 1:4, 5).

Election is not my warrant for accepting salvation; but the reception of salvation is the proof of election.  For how is any lost sinner to know that he is one of the elect?  Where is he to find it?  It must be a matter of divine revelation, else it cannot be a matter of faith*.  But where is it revealed?  Nowhere in the Word of God*.  My only title to salvation is, that I am a poor, guilty, hell-deserving sinner.

Hearken to the risen Savior’s commission to His first heralds: “Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15).  Is there so much as a single point in these words on which to base a question about one’s election?  Assuredly not!  “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners” (1 Tim 1:15).  If I am a sinner, then I am entitled to apply to my own soul the benefits of His precious sacrifice.  “He loved me, and gave Himself for me” (Gal 2:20).

But then, some may feel disposed to ask, “Do you want to set aside the doctrine of election?  God forbid!  We only want to set it in its right place.  Paul never preached election.  He taught election, but preached the Lord Jesus Christ*.  This makes all the difference.  The grand business of the evangelist is to set forth, in his preaching, the perfect love of God, the efficacy of the Blood of Christ, and the faithful record of the Holy Spirit.  The evangelist’s spirit should be entirely untrammeled, and his Gospel unclouded.  He should preach a present salvation, free to all, by the very Word of God.

And then as to anxious souls who harass themselves with questions about election—God addresses them in the exact state in which He sees them and in which they can see themselves.  He addresses them as sinners.  There is nothing but salvation for a sinner, the moment he takes his true place as a sinner.  “God commended His love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Rom 5:8).

To raise questions about election is sheer unbelief in the heart of a sinner.  God has revealed Himself in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ (Col 2:9), so that we may know Him and love and trust Him.  Moreover, He has made full provision in the atonement of the Cross for all our need and all our guilt.

Hence, instead of perplexing myself with the question, “Am I one of the elect?” it is my happy privilege to rest in the perfect love of God, the all-sufficiency of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the faithful record of the Holy Spirit by the Word of God.  “Elect according to the knowledge of God, the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the Blood of Jesus Christ: grace unto you, and peace be multiplied” (1 Pet 1:2).

- C H Mackintosh

Poster’s Notes:
* “matter of faith”: there can be no faith in election without its reveled knowledge and understanding first.

* “Word of God”: Scripture nowhere teaches that an unregenerate can know whether or not he is of “the elect,” which assurance comes to revelation in an individual through the Word and regeneration.

* “taught election . . . preached the Lord Jesus Christ”: preaching the Gospel of salvation is to the unsaved.  Teaching growth in the Gospel of salvation is to the saved.

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Theology Forum / Re: John 10:28 part II
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 07:34:03 PM »
Who knows how the NLT translates shipwreck.
Theology Forum / Re: John 10:28 part II
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 07:31:59 PM »
I of course say there is not enough info there to declare that they were never believers. People can't shipwreck faith they don't have.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Choke point stradegy
« Last post by Johnb on Yesterday at 07:31:34 PM »
Never if there is not a choke point strategy then why do you think you were ask these questions. Like so many of the liberal dems  games they use laws to punish those they view as enemies.   Fortunately you were not on the list.  Think about t for no reason your bank starts asking questions ( with absolutely no evidence  or even hint of evidence that you were doing anything wrong)  Could it be that the fed had prompted them to do this?  Do we not still have a legal system where you are innocent until proven guilty and are protected from unreasonable search.  This is a fishing expedition to  punish enemies.  If you don't believe that get Rand Pauls book and read of all the Americans who have been targeted and punished  by the EPA.  Our government is out of control. 
Theology Forum / Re: John 10:28 part II
« Last post by OldDad on Yesterday at 07:30:47 PM »
The entire point of 1 John 2:19 is that the fact the people went out fro them proved they were not of them to begin with. The idea that they were and somehow decided to slip away is not present in John's writing.
Theology Forum / Re: Where did the thread go?
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 07:29:45 PM »
I'm an idiot OD, I accidentally deleted it while I was watching TV and typing on my I phone. I don't know if there is a way to recover or not. It was a good discussion.
Theology Forum / John 10:28 part II
« Last post by new creature on Yesterday at 07:29:07 PM »
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(John 10:28)

Essentially a discussion about eternal security.

We were discussing 1st John 2:19 in this context:

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (KJV)

Jaime made the argument that NASB is different:

They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.

What I was going to post was that it says: they were not really of us.

So despite the fact that I prefer KJV, this one still says they were not really of us. So imo not born again.
Theology Forum / Where did the thread go?
« Last post by OldDad on Yesterday at 07:24:58 PM »
What happened to the discussion of eternal security?

And why?
Theology Forum / I am an idiot and accidentally deleted a thread
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 07:24:23 PM »
I am so sorry, I was watching TV and trying to respond to Old Dad and New Creature. I think the thread was titled John 2:19.

I'm very sorry. Not the first time either! My iphone is mot kind to me. If anyone knows how to recover, that would be great.
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