Quote from: SwordMaster on Yesterday at 12:53:23
The meaning of the phrase is exactly that...the meaning of the PHRASE, not a single word in the phrase...
I do understand what you are saying. But we are talking about the word faith there, not the phrase "measure of faith".
Same difference. The phrase and the way Paul uses the word changes Paul's intended meaning for that word. The sooner you understand how people use words the better off you will be.
In Romans 12:3, "For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.", the word faith there does not mean Christian knowledge, which you say is, "knowledge of Christian doctrines and practices, which is demonstrated in the context of the verse".
I think your reading comprehension is off today, Michael. I quoted extensively from the scholars of Greek, including Zodhiates, a native Greek speaker, from the complete Word Study Dictionary of the New Testament. THEY said that the word faith in Rom. 12:3 means "christian knowledge," and pardon me for saying so...but I will take the word of an educated Greek speaker in NT Greek over your opinion practically every time.
You are out-gunned and out-matched...it would be to your cavalier to come to your senses and stop arguing out of your ignorance of the language.
Paul was not talking about how much Christian knowledge each individual Christian have, but of faith, the measure of faith, that God has assigned to each.
No, he wasn't, because God does not give people faith unless it is the Spiritual Gift of Faith that one who is already a believer can receive if that is the Spiritual Gift that the Spirit decides to give to that individual person. You also greatly misinterpret Paul when he says that God gives the individual knowledge of Christian gifts to individuals...he is not saying that God gives faith to each person, as is obvious in the sentence. He is saying that, just like in I Cor. 12, that He gives each individual person a specific portion of a specific aspect of gifting...which is why he then breaks it down by saying...
4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function
5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy
, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service
, in our serving; the one who teaches
, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts,
in his exhortation; the one who contributes
, in generosity; the one who leads
, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy
, with cheerfulness.
Your bias is blinding you to what Paul is talking about.
I will not argue with you further. The facts are there, and if you choose to ignore them because you want to defend your bias, rather than conceding to the truth of what is right before you, then so be it.
A word of caution...if you continue in this way, not only will you not come to the truth of the Scriptures, but you are walking a dangerous path to self-destruction through false belief.