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Well I guess that's your point of view but I think I'll stick to mine. It's the spirit filled one. Remember... No one can predict dates as far as 2022. No man knows the day or the hour.

I was just teasing having a little fun with your mom. Don't take it personally.

You said "no one can predict dates" but the Bible says the reason you don't know the date is because you are being carnal and not watchful: "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." So you are not spirit  filled (Rev. 3.3) according to these passages.

Since Rev. 6.12 says there are 3 things that must occur: great earthquake (Haiti 2010 killed 320,000 2nd most deaths on human record; Japan 2011 4th greatest in magnitude on human record; and together these two year over year never happened before; but is this not enough for you?), unique solar eclipse (long H3 solar, 4th since Christ, the rarest kind, completes as a total, won't happen again till 2172) and unique lunar eclipse which occurs 2014-2015 (won't happen again till 2582/83 and no unique solar eclipse attached to it, and it is a Super Red Blood Moon in 2015 viewed from Israel and is at the closest point to earth annually), but you say this is not important, are you spirit filled? 1 in 3 passages of the Bible are prophetic. Give more credence to this; don't sluff it off. God gives us signs to be known.

The Bible doesn't say no man knows the day or hour of His return; this is a misreading of Scripture. Rather, it says no man knows when the world ends. Remember, Jesus returns to reign on earth 1000 years before the world ends. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (Matt. 24.35,36).

Pray on this as I pray for your openness and understanding to be spirit filled.

Isaiah 65:17  "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

2Peter 3:7  But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
2Peter 3:8  But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Peter 3:9  The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
2Peter 3:10  But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
2Peter 3:11  Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
2Peter 3:12  waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!
2Peter 3:13  But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Revelation 21:1  Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Revelation 21:2  And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:22  And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
Revelation 21:23  And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Charlie24 on Yesterday at 08:20:39 PM »
Any NT scripture that involves salvation applies, sorry. Paul did not contradict other salvation passages.

Where is your scripture that proves your claim? I want to see it and not guess at my salvation.
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Theology Forum / Re: Eternally Secure
« Last post by Curtis on Yesterday at 08:18:52 PM »
You miss the timing altogether.  Salvation is a walk.  While you say "saved" in the past tense, what you are really referring to is "regeneration," which is the beginning of the walk, not the end.

You cannot be "saved" from death yet, because you haven't died yet!
You cannot be justified in the judgment yet, because the judgment hasn't come yet!

What you can be, is assured of salvation, because God has given you a down payment assuring you that He will, in fact, justify, redeem, and resurrect you.

Now he which establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2Corinthians 1

Jarrod

That is error . Salvation is not a walk it is something that happens the instant one believes in Christ. Sanctification is a walk that takes a life time. Adam and Eve did not have to keep eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil to stay a sinner. They ate once and became a sinner. So it is with salvation.

Error again. The Christian has already died with Christ on the cross.

Col_3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

This is not some future event!!!

There is no condemnation to those in Christ, and the Church has already passed from death unto life.
We are not waiting to get life, we have life now!!!

The "earnest of the Spirit" is our wedding ring from God himself. The marriage is binding and the payment has already been payed. We are not our own, because we have bought with a price.
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 08:18:43 PM »
Any NT scripture that involves salvation applies, sorry. Paul did not contradict other salvation passages. Inhope you aren't a two gospel advocate.

Again, blood cleanses and baptism is definitely involved. Baptism IS the calling upon the Lord per Peter's firs epistle, chapter 3. Unless of course Paul nullified all other scripture. Of course he didn't.
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Charlie24 on Yesterday at 08:14:18 PM »
Charlie read Acts 22. That is a direct scripture.

Acts 22 is not doctrine Jaime, it's insight into doctrine. It's a picture of doctrine.

Your claim of the blood being applied at baptism is not scriptural. It is 100% assumption.

Salvation doctrine is found in the epistles, not Acts.
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Theology Forum / Re: Islamic Extremeism and The Anti-Christ
« Last post by notreligus on Yesterday at 08:13:04 PM »
I have known as many Saturday people as either of you.   If you don't want to read anything negative about Israel then throw away your Bibles.

Contrary to common teaching I believe that most meetings of the early church took place on Saturday.   

Christ came first to the Jews.  I say to both of you to not ever imply that I am stating otherwise as you would be lying.   

Read Acts 11:19.   Up to the time that Stephen was stoned the Gospel had been taken only to Jews.  Read it.

Jews and Gentiles were part of the church at Thessalonica.   An example of the New Man in Christ which is a person that the Messianics can't seem to accept.   Which were Paul's first epistles?   The Judaizers wanted to kill Paul or he could have spent more than about two weeks at Thessalonica.

Is John 3:16 true or false?   


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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 08:10:18 PM »
Charlie read Acts 22. That is a direct scripture. Paul's words did not negate Jesus's words and vice versa. I believe all salvational scriptures apply together and can't be pitted against each other.
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 08:09:25 PM »
Charlie, if you can point to believe and confess with our lips, I can with the same weight say believe and be baptized and you shall be aaved since those were Jesus's words.

I happen to believe all of the above you don't.
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Charlie24 on Yesterday at 08:08:08 PM »
Forget the cofc. Ananias knew where the blood cleansing occured, IN baptism which IS the calling upon the name o the Lord. And where Pauls sins would be washed away. Not by the water but by the blood and baptism is unmistakenly involved as the calling upon the name of the Lord.

Jesus wasn't saying believe and be saved so that you can be symbolically baptized.

Are you not assuming and directly dismissing the words of the Apostle Paul?

Show me direct scripture as I have shown you to remove any doubt.
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Theology Forum / Re: So why do you think some churches are...
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 08:02:04 PM »
Forget the cofc. Ananias knew where the blood cleansing occured, IN baptism which IS the calling upon the name o the Lord. And where Pauls sins would be washed away. Not by the water but by the blood and baptism is unmistakenly involved as the calling upon the name of the Lord.

Jesus wasn't saying believe and be saved so that you can be symbolically baptized.
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