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Quote from: Jaime on Today at 11:49:05 AM

If I could humble myself that Lively could teach me or if she could humble herself to be open to the possibility that I might teach her something, then yes. Have we seen much of that kind of himility? No we are divided up on our idealogical amen or manna teams with our ears and hearts closed.

I have no lack of confidence in God's word, only in our ability to oroperly interpret it, with so many of man's traditions and teachings muddying up the water.

Just because I have no doubt about what the Lord says doesn't mean my heart and ears are closed. I have been walking with Jesus for 50 years, and have had a lot of time to put what He teaches to the test.

I also have NO DOUBT about what the Lord says and have been walking with Christ 48 years and have had a lot of time also to put what he has said to the test. when we have no doubt it is not impossible to get through, but it is didficult and we tend to sluff off what others have to say. I know you and I do this and I'm sure other confident ones are that way also. This is why division is perpetuated in the Body of Christ, and Jesus said we should be one in the Spirit. We are not as Christians.

I don't slough off what people say. I take it in, think about it, and in light of scriptural truth, I can either accept it as truth or reject it as false. Holy Spirit in me shows me what to do. He would not let me rest if it was false.

He is trustworthy. We aren't left here by God to make such determinations all on our own. The trouble is, people give way to others to show them what truth is. As Bereans, we must search the word and allow God to reveal to us what is true. It isn't hard once you become familiar with His voice.

Blue, you seem to have a talent for putting words in people's mouths.  I didn't say any of the things you accuse me of.

Just one question. If a woman going shirtless is immoral as you say, where is your scriptural support? Do you have a 'thou shalt not show thy nipples' tucked up your sleeve?

are you serious? You need the word of God to tell you not to go topless. It is common sense. I guess the Bible proof would be rev where it talks about those being naked before God because they have no robe and there shame.

If you can't see anything wrong with a woman going topless, then answer my questions do you let your kids if under 18 or grand kids look at pictures of topless women?

The true is the bible doesn't need to tell a woman not to show her breast if she doesn't know that simple thing, she is not much of a woman at all.

This is from the Book of Acts commentary, by Gareth L. Reese, which was used at the Bible college I attended.

This is under the heading of Special Study #4 which deals with "Speaking In Tongues."  This is not written to be complimentary but is written as a piece which condemns those who speak in tongues.  I'm going to give you an excerpt from page 102 and will skip over to page 105 where Reese names names and organizations and is critical about those who "speak in tongues."

The Roots of Pentecostalism can be traced back to John Wesley and his beginnings of Methodism in the 1780's.  Wesley placed great emphasis on an experience that every Christian should have after conversion.  He called it "perfect love," and meant by that term what is called sanctification or a second work of grace.  Charles G. Finney  (1792-1876), a famous revival preacher, took Wesley's idea and modified it a bit.  He was the first to say that the "experience after conversion" is the same as "the baptism of the Holy Spirit" that one can read about in the Bible.  About the same time of the Civil War, Methodism's emphasis on perfect love had fallen into decline, and a reaction to the Holiness Movement was born in an effort to reiterate the emphasis on the forgotten second experience.  However, the Holiness people had difficulty in deciding on a criteria by which to judge if a person was "holy" or not.  This is where the peculiar emphasis of the Pentecostals comes in.  Pentecostals, once the movement was born, began to teach that "speaking in tongues" is evidence that a man has been baptized of the Holy Spirit (experienced the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit after conversion. 

On page 105 Reese lets us know who we should avoid as false teachers.  They are:

The Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship
Women's Aglow Fellowship
Melody Land Christian Center
John Sherrill
Harold Bredesen
David Wilkerson
George Otis
Kathryn Kuhlman
Dennis Bennett
Demos Shakarian
Jamie Buckingham
David J. DePlessis
J. Rodman Williams
Logos Publishers
Whittaker House
Living Waters Publications

Throughout the commentary Reese names contemporary people whom he views as false teachers.  If you are willing to take an honest look at this commentary then you must conclude that too much of the book is dedicated to condemning others and not enough time spent on the Bible. 

If you read a commentary by a legitimate theologian, like Mounce or Geisler, you won't see rubbish like this.

Blue, you seem to have a talent for putting words in people's mouths.  I didn't say any of the things you accuse me of.

Just one question. If a woman going shirtless is immoral as you say, where is your scriptural support? Do you have a 'thou shalt not show thy nipples' tucked up your sleeve?

Quote from: Jaime on Today at 11:49:05 AM

If I could humble myself that Lively could teach me or if she could humble herself to be open to the possibility that I might teach her something, then yes. Have we seen much of that kind of himility? No we are divided up on our idealogical amen or manna teams with our ears and hearts closed.

I have no lack of confidence in God's word, only in our ability to oroperly interpret it, with so many of man's traditions and teachings muddying up the water.

Just because I have no doubt about what the Lord says doesn't mean my heart and ears are closed. I have been walking with Jesus for 50 years, and have had a lot of time to put what He teaches to the test.

I also have NO DOUBT about what the Lord says and have been walking with Christ 48 years and have had a lot of time also to put what he has said to the test. when we have no doubt it is not impossible to get through, but it is didficult and we tend to sluff off what others have to say. I know you and I do this and I'm sure other confident ones are that way also. This is why division is perpetuated in the Body of Christ, and Jesus said we should be one in the Spirit. We are not as Christians.