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Howdy All,

Michael2012 wrote:

5. If this death in your position statement is that which causes man to sin, how do you understand the following scriptures, among others:
Romans 6:21-23
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


My Response

Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

So let’s exam Rom 6:21-23 above.  Vs 21 refers to the past sins.  Vs 22 says God delivers us from the past sins. Vs 23 refers back to vs 21 and 20.

Comment:; You still commit sin, but the sin of Adam caused the first death.  For example, say somebody was a serial killer convicted of this.  All of his murders carry the death sentence but he can be executed only once, it is through Adam’s sin that the devil (death) resides in man’s flesh.  This causes us to sin, and sin causes us to die,

Pardon me Truthcomber, but I don't get to see the point in what you are saying here with regards to Rom. 6:21-23 relative to your position that death causes man to sin.
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Yes we are all told to pray for our leaders no matter who they are.
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Howdy All,

Michae2012 wrote:

3. What do you mean by "Death in our mortal bodies" that causes us to sin?

My Response

As stated above death represents the spirit of the devil within our souls.  Satan influences our spirits (souls) which are a part of our mortal bodies.

By that, you are actually saying then that the spirit of the devil in our mortal bodies causes us to sin, which I do not find in scriptures. 

As a side issue, you said "Satan influences our spirits (souls) which are a part of our mortal bodies". Our spirits are not a part of our mortal bodies.

Michae2012 wrote:

4. What do you mean by "the body of death" that causes sin?

My Response

Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin (the devil) that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin (Satan) that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death (Satan)? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Apparently, you again here have to make sin to be Satan and death to be Satan as well, to somehow make some sense with regards the question. But by that even, it then makes Satan dwelling in Paul and have Paul say "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of Satan?". And this is not at all what Paul is saying in Rom.7.
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Howdy All,

Michael2012 wrote:

2. How does death causes man to sin?

My Response
John 8:44… He (Satan) was a murderer from the beginning,…

Comment: Who did Satan murder at the beginning?

I will give you one hint.  Nobody was around but Adam and Eve.

And how did he murder them?

Why he deceived them into disobeying God. The wages of sin is death.  Satan will die also (another topic).

Comment: So when man ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he ate of the tree of death in contrast with the tree of life. Life represents God, death represents the devil. 

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Prov 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD 36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death (Satan)

I John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil (death); for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Comment: We are born with the companion spirit of the devil within us.  The devil causes us to sin.

Romans 8:7  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

.Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing (the devil is pure evil: emphasis mine): for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Comment: The devil is death in our flesh (soul) that causes us to sin.

Gen 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed (spirit) and her seed (spirit): it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Comment: So what man inherits from Adam and Eve is dual nature—one of man and one of the devil.  God represents life and the devil represents death.

Truthcomber, let's take then your position that "Death in our mortal bodies causes us to sin", relative to Rom. 5:12. How does death causes man to sin? And the above is your answer, wherein I could see that, in order for you to make some sense here with regards the question, it is necessary for you to have the devil to be death and death to be the devil. Nonetheless, it remains that death is different from the devil and death is not the devil nor the devil is death. And so, it only shows that your answer does not satisfy the question.
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Howdy All,

Michael2012 wrote:

Let's take then your position that "Death in our mortal bodies causes us to sin", relative to Rom. 5:12

My Response

Rom 5:12 wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, (by which) all have sinned: 
Adam > sin > death > all men > sin.

While the verse says that death passed upon all men, the verse does not say that it is death that causes all men to sin. Perhaps you can cite another verse that says such.   

Michae2012 wrote:

Question: What is your definition of death in the statement? 

My Response

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

John 11:9 Jesus answered…Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep…13 spake of his death.

Comment: Here death is the absence of awareness.  It is a deep sleep of the soul (spirit).

Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. 

Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Comment: In the OT, the spirit of all men returned to the ground at death (Eccl 3:21b).  This is not so after the resurrection of Christ (Eccl 3:21a), but every man in his own order (1 Cor 15:23).

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live…28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Comment: The dead can be awaken from their sleep. Their bodies decay and return to the dust it was.  This part is not asleep but deteriorated. 

Pslam 16:9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh (soul) also shall rest in hope. 10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell (grave), neither his flesh did see corruption.

Comment: Christ was dead in body and soul.  So is all of mankind when they died before his resurrection.  He reversed the process of a dead  soul and body.  After the resurrection, the saints never die in their souls (spirits)—unless the quench the holy spirit.  Then their spirits (souls) are subject to death again, the wages of sin--.their sin not Adam’s.

Truthcomber, let's take then your position that "Death in our mortal bodies causes us to sin", relative to Rom. 5:12. What is your definition of death in the statement? And the above is your answer, wherein I gather that, for you, death is the absence of awareness. That it is a deep sleep of the soul(spirit), whereby the dead man could be awaken, though without the body.

If this is what you mean then by death in your statement "Death in our mortal bodies causes us to sin", it does not make much sense then, does it? For how can a deep sleep of the soul (spirit) and the absence of awareness in our mortal bodies cause us to sin? Even the question is kind of absurd.
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Apologetics Forum / Re: Do you believe the flood was global or regional?
« Last post by DaveRC on Today at 10:17:08 AM »
10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

+ TWO YEARS

11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

+ THIRTY-FIVE YEARS

13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

+ THIRTY YEARS

15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

+ THIRTY-FOUR YEARS



21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.

22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.

25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.

32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.





Tower of Babel occurred 101 years after the Flood.
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1Tim 2:1  First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,
1Tim 2:2  for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.

I'm not real faithful in doing so, but we Christians ought to pray for all of our leaders, even the ones we don't care for.
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Theology Forum / Greed and its Side Effects
« Last post by Reformer on Today at 10:13:34 AM »
REFORMATION RUMBLINGS
BUFF SCOTT, JR.
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Greed and its Side Effects
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    It is a fact that greed has contributed to many of the world’s problems—too many have too much and far too many have too little. Therefore, two of greed’s side-effects are hunger and starvation—simply, destitution. One of my truisms has its genesis in the captivating words of King Solomon.
 
    “Give me neither poverty nor riches, but give me only my daily bread. Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’ Or I may become poor and steal and so dishonor the name of my God” (Prov. 30:8-9).
 
    I like the way our Lord, when He was on Earth, addressed greed. He described its possessors as being “full of greed and self-indulgence” (Matt. 23:25). The great Apostle Paul warned his readers lest they become entangled with “the greedy and swindlers and idolaters” (I Cor. 5:10).
 
    Webster says of greed, “An insatiable desire to possess or acquire something to an amount inordinately beyond what one needs or deserves.”
 
    If I might give an earthen case of greed and those who suffer indirectly  because of its spillover, take a look at the greedy Pharmaceutical Corporations. They are among the wealthiest in the country. Canada’s drugs can be purchased at one-third to one-half the price of American drugs. And I’m talking about the identical same drugs we have here.
 
    When our former President was running for his first term, he promised that to off-set the high cost of drugs in America he would support and promote a law that would allow Canadian drugs to be part of America’s drug market. That didn’t happen, as well as many more of his promises. So why are American drugs almost beyond reach for the average American, particularly the middle class and poor?
 
    The answers fall under two obvious categories. 1) Greed; 2) Pharmaceutical Corporations spend billions of dollars on ads. To place a 30-second drug ad on a major TV event, such as a Super ball game, costs around five million dollars or more, depending on the event. We pay the bill, for it is passed on to us in higher drug costs.
 
    I always keep tabs on what’s going on in the world—one of my positive addictions. Let me use world news on all TV Networks as an example. During a one-half hour Newscast, practically every ad revolves around drugs.
 
    It is laughable how the Pharmaceutical companies associate every pleasure and every success in life with some drug they are advertising—picnicking under a big green tree in the country or by a lovely lake, walking a pet alongside the ocean front, taking Grandkids to the County Fair, working out or climbing steps, boating on a river, catching fish, and so on. The subtle message is obvious, “You need this medication to accomplish these feats.”
 
    And believe it or not, many American suckers fall for this greedy dung! Pharmaceutical companies are coming out with new medications every week—medications that, in a lot of cases, contain the same drug components as drugs that have been on the market for years!
 
    Why are they doing this? Because they know a particular class of Americans quite well—the many suckers who think in terms that... “Oh, boy, there’s a new drug for my problem!” So they rush out to see their doctor for a new prescription.
 
    The Apostle Peter had it right when he wrote about false prophets, but in this case we’ll substitute deceptive drug companies, “And in their greed they will exploit you with false words” (2 Peter 2:3).
 
    What can we do about this deception? Not much of anything until Washington’s leaders, from the top down, pass a tough Law that will put a stop to the run-away greediness of the drug companies. We ought to stand up and complain. Sitting on our butts “until the cows come home” has never solved a problem.
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    MANIPULATION AT ITS LOWEST— Lately I’ve been paying close attention to how the Liberal Press is handling the charge that Obamacare has failed. Here is their primary response, “Obama’s Health Care is covering twenty-two million Americans,”—as if that’s a large number.
 
    Well, it ain’t when we consider America’s population as of January 23, 2017 is 324,420,000. Consequently, 22,000,000 is only a small drop in the bucket. But the Liberal Press hopes to convince us that Obama’s Health plan has been and is working. It won’t work.
 
    Keep your eyes peeled on the manipulative responses of the Liberal Press. They are shrewd and have a unique way of “dancing around the mulberry bush,” which is a form of deceit.—Buff.
 
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Apologetics Forum / Re: Do you believe the flood was global or regional?
« Last post by DaveRC on Today at 10:07:14 AM »
10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

+ TWO YEARS

11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

+ THIRTY-FIVE YEARS

13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

+ THIRTY YEARS

15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

+ THIRTY-FOUR YEARS

17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.

18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

+ THIRTY YEARS

19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.

20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

+ THIRTY-TWO YEARS

21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.

22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

+ THIRTY YEARS

23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

+ TWENTY-NINE YEARS

25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.

26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

+ SEVENTY YEARS

Abraham was born 292 years after the flood.
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Mommidi first brought this to light in her post started with Raven Hair  ( Guess I better die mine?)

Now , after many articles.....there has to be truth and....... there is this with 3 dates in here that we, as Christians must especially pray for  President Trump's protection... for his family and God's protection around the White house.

March 26, April 24 and May 23.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/the-witching-hour-is-upon-us?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=ff9017f93c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_02_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-ff9017f93c-297723745

AND

http://canadafreepress.com/article/witches-rally-against-trump-now-it-really-is-getting-serious?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=ff9017f93c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_02_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-ff9017f93c-297723745
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