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Kid is all of 6 or 7, seems awfully suspect that he knows that his father was an atheist. Maybe the kid is assuming because dad didn't go to church?

Maybe dad just came right out and said he did not believe. He took the kids, or allowed them, to be baptized and go to church, but no doubt such positive spiritual influences came from elsewhere. ::shrug::
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Theology Forum / Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Last post by soterion on Yesterday at 19:54:06 »

I would like someone to answer these questions with coherent answers.

Seems to me there was a time in the Garden of Gethsemane that Jesus cried out to His father, but there was an obvious and distinct separation.

Okay, I’ll take the challenge. Just my viewpoint, of course.

In the scriptures, we find that, 1) God is the Creator of all things and, 2) God alone is eternally existing, as in no beginning. Any and every being that is shown to be created is not and cannot be God. In the same way, any and every being that is shown to not be God is therefore a created being. We do not find in scripture anybody that is eternally existing and is also not God. Therefore, anybody who is shown to be Creator is God.

Jesus is Creator of all things. John 1:3 tells us that everything that has come into being did so by Him, and that there is not anything that has come into being that did so apart from Him. That tells us two things, at least: 1) Jesus is the Creator and 2) He was not created (therefore, He is eternally existing). It has to be concluded that He is God. Not a demi-god (whatever that is), not a semi-god, not a little god, not an inferior god, not the JWs “little g” god, but God...period.

Jesus is God the Creator become flesh (John 1:14), conceived in and born to a virgin (Luke 1:26-35; 2:1-11). He was raised as a human and lived as a human and grew into a man (Luke 2:41-52). He was fully a man in the flesh; He did not just appear to be a man. The crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus testify to His completely human status (John 19:17-30; 20:1-29). He was not demi-human, semi-human, etc. but fully human in the flesh. The Gnostics of the day tried to proclaim Jesus as a spirit being who appeared to be human, but John wrote in his first letter that such teachers are antichrist (1 John 4:1-3).

Was He fully God while in the flesh? Yes, but He gave up His equality with God while in the flesh (Philippians 2:5-8). I believe that means He became a servant to man and to His Father, living by faith rather than exalting Himself above His creation. He did this mainly to fulfill His ultimate role as the perfect Lamb who takes away the sin of the world, but also to serve as an example of how to live before God and toward our fellow man. His exaltation over the creation took place after His resurrection and ascension (Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 1:20-23; Philippians 2:9-11).

Jesus is not the Father. There are too many distinctions between Jesus and the Father (and the Holy Spirit). The distinctions between Jesus and the Father are found particularly in the gospel accounts, while Jesus was in the flesh. It can be argued that, 1) there are three Gods who share one indistinguishable purpose in the creation and with man, 2) there is one God who expresses Himself in three distinct ways as one person, 3) there are three persons who make up one God, and 4) possibly other definitions. I have seen good arguments for those first three, but I still think we are trying to define God’s nature much as a worm would try to define our complete nature.

In answer to the question about whether Jesus is God, it is enough for me that He is the Creator of all things, and that all things have been created by Him and for Him, and that He is before all things and by Him all things hold together (Colossians 1:16-17).

If that doesn't make Jesus Christ God, nothing does.
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Theology Forum / Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Last post by BTR on Yesterday at 19:47:15 »
"One of the main arguments in favor of the trinity is the plural form of the word for God in the Hebrew Scriptures. Elohim is found comparatively seldom in the singular, and, if the "Trinity" is correct, our Bibles should read, "In the beginning Gods created the heavens and the earth." No translator will be responsible for this rendering, however, except as an argument for the Trinity. The fact that our lord sanctioned its translation in the singular as well as in the plural, should settle the question. Used of the true God, He always made it singular. As this is one of the main props of the trinitarian heresy, we will examine the facts more closely.

One of the best methods of testing the number of the name Elohim is to try it out in contexts where two members of the so-called "Trinity" use it of each other. In the forty-fifth psalm God speaks to the Son and says, "Thy throne, O Elohim, is for the eon and further" (Psa.45:7,8). Here the title is used of the Son, as distinct from His Father. If Elohim is plural, then the Son is a plurality as well as a part of the "Trinity." This is even clearer in the next verse, where we read. "Therefore God, Thy God, anoints Thee." According to this the Son not only is a plurality of Gods Himself, but has a plurality of Gods, if Elohim means more than one. Elohim, in this passage, cannot be plural. Such an idea is contrary to other scriptures which definitely protest that there is only one God (1 Cor.8:4,6). Moreover, it is evident from the form of the verb. It is not that many Gods anoint, but one God anoints. Elohim nearly always takes a singular verb.

That Elohim is always singular in this passage is absolutely settled for us, and put beyond the possibility of debate by God Himself, when He quotes it, in the first chapter of Hebrews (1:8,9). In Greek the number cannot be confused. The plural form of "God" is used in John 10:34,35; Acts 7:40; 14:11; 19:26; 1 Corinthians 8:5,5; Galatians 4:8. But God deliberately used the singular for Elohim whenever referring to Himself or His Son. For me this is final. Men may take sides and discuss this matter interminably, for there seems to be a show of evidence on both sides. What better course can be pursued than to call in an Umpire Who is qualified to decide the point? And this is just what God has done. He knows the meaning of His own name. He inspired the Greek forms which represent it. He says it is singular when applied to Himself or to His Son. Who is a better Hebrew grammarian than the Author of the Scriptures?"

Excerpt of (The Plural Form of God's Name  by A.E. Knock)  http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/Knoch/ThePluralFormOfGodsName.htm
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Church Music
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 19:44:32 »
Yes, God loves us all as different unique individuals and that includes the way we worship. Some love the bouncy louder worship(and children LOVE that), some the more reflective quiet times, some the worshipful music that enables them to be drawn close to God. As long as we are worshipping Him then that's what matters.
When you think of the majority who reject God and don't give Him a thought, and those who attack Him and His followers, I think he more than happy that we are worshiping Him at all.  I think Heaven will be a pretty awesome place with the variety of worship we will find there.

 ::nodding:: ::amen!:: ::clappingoverhead:: It will be amazing!
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Theology Forum / Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Last post by Truthcomber on Yesterday at 19:41:23 »
This is a test

good
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Theology Forum / Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Last post by Kenneth Sublett on Yesterday at 19:00:02 »
Yes, but I just follow Strongs:  Beginning in Genesis 2 Lord-God is is most often used.  The world was filled with lords and gods but Scripture is very careful to identify the ONLY REAL God is JEHOVAH.

Jer. 10:10 But the Lord is the TRUE God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

Gen. 2:4  These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

LORD: h3068.  Yhwh; from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; name of God:—the Lord. Compare 3050, 3069.

H1961 just means I EXIST and is not a name.  Jehovah is the LIVING GOD but Jesus is the SON of the Self-Existing CREATOR-GOVERNER.

GOD: h430. elohiym, el-o-heem´; plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels, x exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), x (very) great, judges, x mighty.

h433. elowahh, el-o´-ah; rarely (shortened) ;AhølTa }eloahh, el-o´-ah} probably prolonged (emphat.) from 410; a deity or the Deity:—God, god. See 430.

h410. lEa }el, ale; shortened from 352; strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity):—God (god), x goodly, x great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”

I don't know why the plural is most often used.

The SON in Isaiah 9 and Emmanuel is a for of ELOHIM and never

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There is a lot of evil and occult stuff going on all around us in life, that's pretty common. Just as an example, I am amazed at the number of Buddha type ornaments I see both in the shops and in homes and gardens now.
I am not sure why working with gay men or women is an issue though, just pray for them. The same with all the people there, pray blessings on them all, its very powerful.   They aren't believers and know no better but they need Him in their lives.

What is the object you mention?

Yes we are in a spiritual battle, as were the early disciples we are told. Its not a new thing.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Church Music
« Last post by chosenone on Yesterday at 18:46:49 »
::smile::  I can appreciate that! Thanks for sharing your preference, Chosen!

I SO respect it when people say "this is what I prefer", rather than pretend a preference means that *they* are more godly or right and they even get to speak for God and do His condemning for Him.

Like you, I LOVE many of Chris Tomlin's worship songs, Hillsong isn't really a fave of mine (oddly enough, I can't keep their lyrics straight and for me to be able to worship with all my heart, I can't be constantly looking at the words); still, I can't discount the obvious impact they've had on the lives of others.  God obviously enjoys variety, just look at how wide and vast and different His own family is ( ::wink:: ) so who are we (mere humans) to limit whom He works through and how He chooses to touch people and draw them to Himself? ::shrug::  Its sad that this obviously disputable matter (based on preference) can't be shown a measure of grace...(not shaking a finger at YOU or saying YOU specifically aren't showing grace, Chosen...just venting and wishing for something that reflects a bit better the grace God shows each of us, is all)

Yes, God loves us all as different unique individuals and that includes the way we worship. Some love the bouncy louder worship(and children LOVE that), some the more reflective quiet times, some the worshipful music that enables them to be drawn close to God. As long as we are worshipping Him then that's what matters.
When you think of the majority who reject God and don't give Him a thought, and those who attack Him and His followers, I think he more than happy that we are worshiping Him at all.  I think Heaven will be a pretty awesome place with the variety of worship we will find there.

 
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Theology Forum / Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 18:34:28 »
Kenneth, you do realize that Elohim is a PLURAL hebrew word?
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End Times Forum / Re: The Judgment Seat of Christ
« Last post by lea on Yesterday at 18:23:15 »
3 Resurrections---

I read your post below in amazement. You truly believe that Satan has been destroyed. And yet you ignore history and the Spiritual Warfare that is definitely
taking place.  You have to look closely at the attempted annihilation of the Jews. This wasn't just some evil plan man came up with----no this was a definite
satanic attack.  Satan KNEW that a momentous event was about to take place----and he was attempting to stop it.  If there are no Jews, there can be no Jewish
nation.  World War 2 ended in 1945 and 6 million Jews were destroyed in the process.  Yet, in 1948 the Jews returned to their homeland.

This was a Spiritual battle that was waged. And Satan did his utmost to destroy the Jews. But God's will MUST be done----and Israel formed despite Satan's
attempts to thwart it.  Satan is fully aware that the re-formation of Israel is a direct signal that His end is VERY NEAR. He therefore (in his insanity) attempted
to stop it.

You are blinded 3 Resurrections. You are willingly and willfully accepting a theology that is blatantly false.  Satan is very much alive and active in the world right how---
and Jesus Christ is very close to returning to this planet as He promised.  Satan has YET to be bound for 1000 years. And once He is finally released, shortly there-
after He will be thrown into the Lake of Fire forever.  THIS IS YET FUTURE.
In the Bible, Satan succeeded, or rather I say God allowed the Jews to be killed by the Romans because she had become the unfaithful wife- the harlot of Babylon. They apostasized and worshiped Roman gods. They rejected and killed their own Messiah.

Scripture tells us several times that Satan's time was "short" and he would be crushed under our feet "shortly."

Evil is still around. Even outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.

It shows that although Satan was thrown in the LOF, his influence can continue.

Modern Israel has nothing to do with any Biblical "holy people!"

God left the building (temple built with hands) almost 2 thousand years ago.

There is only good and evil. And if you can defeat evil, you know that God is on one's side!

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