It seems when you responded to my post that you misunderstood much of what I said. I believe this is due to how polar opposite we believe in this issue. I try to be careful how I word what I say. I go over it repeatedly to make sure I am communicating what I want to communicate. This is not to say that I am right in my doctrine, just that I am trying to say what I believe (and my trying can still fail me). No doubt my poor communication, despite my efforts, is what's going on here. Let me show you what I am talking about and try to answer some of your queries.
Jesus has always been God, Jehovah, the Almighty. Nothing I said questioned Jesus preexistence as God nor suggested He did not maintain that identity during His ministry. If He had not been God while on earth, He could not have spoken as God, received worship, etc.
I never said Jesus was emptied of all divine attributes. I said he emptied Himself of His equality with God and that He set aside Godly attributes to be fully human. That does not mean all attributes since I acknowledged that His authoritative words and actions belong to one who is God. He had to have empty Himself of some attributes, which at least refers to their use, or else the scriptures I posted about His humanity and dependence on God make no sense.
Jesus was always God. If not, how could He speak as God with all of the authority that goes with that identity. Setting aside certain aspects of His divinity does not rid Him of that identity. Like I said, our opposite view on this topic is where such questions probably come from.
Anyway, I did address when He was restored with what He had previously divested Himself of. Quote: "It was after He accomplished God's will that He was highly exalted, crowned with glory and honor, and given all authority in heaven and on earth. Certainly now all the fullness of deity dwells in Him."
Like I said, He is God and spoke as Him, but the miracles and such were by faith. How could the apostles do such similar things during their ministry? Did they have to be God?
He emptied Himself of that equality as far as their manifestation was concerned. Quote from me: "He had divested Himself of His equality with God so as to come among men as fully man. At least He certainly didn't exercise or manifest this fullness of deity."
Quote from me: "Certainly now all the fullness of deity dwells in Him."
No doubt I may do the same to you and misunderstand some of your position due to our disagreement. In such a case I hope you will clarify with me so that we can understand each other better. I wish you all the best in your study of scripture and in your sharing with others here.
No beef with the misunderstanding, I like a good discussion even if we disagree.
I think I got your point of view better now.
Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I understand.
Jesus was God, but in order for His divinity not to interfere with His humanity, He "dropped" some of His divine qualities.
The first question that comes up is, if indeed Jesus dropped some divine qualities...He was not FULLY God. Correct?
So in His walk on earth Jesus as fully man, but somewhat God? Is that what you are saying?
The other question I have for you is which divine attributes would you propose Jesus "dropped"?
Omnipresence? Omnipotence? Omniscience?
You must realize that if Jesus ceased to be either of the above, He would cease to be God.
God is either fully God or He if not God. There is no such thing as a half-God or "almost" God.
Just to illustrate that with an example: If Jesus would have "dropped" His inability to sin, He would cease to be God because God is unable to sin.
Or if Jesus would have "dropped" His omniscience, He would cease to be God because God is omniscient.
There is not such thing as an unholy God or an unknowing God.
You said "He is God and spoke as Him, but the miracles and such were by faith. How could the apostles do such similar things during their ministry? Did they have to be God?"
I don't think that's correct at all. Jesus did the miracles because He was God. In fact Jesus was the Creator Himself."For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Jesus was and is the Creator God. He does not need faith to perform miracles, He can do them because He is God. He can create when he so desires, He can heal when He so desires and He can command the elements if He so desires.
Now people in scripture have performed miracles before. Neither of them were God. So I do not understand your question why the Apostles could perform miracles.
They did them through faith and by the power of the Holy Spirit. But that doesn't mean that the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit need to have faith in order for them to do miracles.
You seem to be struggling with the "reward" of exultation for Jesus. You are of the opinion that God could only exalt Jesus for something He would do as a human being.
That is also not correct. God can exalt Himself for something He did or does as God. The angels worship and exalt God, not because He did something human...but because He did something being God.
The thing that Jesus emptied Himself of was His eternal position in heaven with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said so Himself: "And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world began."
Finally I would like to repeat my question from the previous post, you did not answer it:
Do you believe Jesus still is fully God and fully human in heaven?