He is very depressed and almost suicidal, his financial situation is dire, so he needs God to move in a mighty way.
Not sure what they hope to accomplish. But I will keep an open mind. Oh yeah, and heroin is sometimes prescribed in the UK, though as a painkiller.
yes a part of it is works of faith... but the only thing those works have to do with our salvation that it was through it that we changed to what makes us work the work of Him that sent us. it is impossible for a man to do an millisecond of work worthy of acceptation by God for what was wrought at calvary.It is these kinds of statements that confuse me because I don't know exactly what you are addressing. You use the word, "salvation" and that, for me, instantly removes it from any connection to what man does. What Christ did on the Cross is complete, man cannot do anything to add, subtract, effect it or affect it in any. That is why Christ was needed, to reverse the fall of man, to recreate the universe, make it acceptable to God again. When Paul speaks of the works of the law cannot save us, he is referencing substituting works of the law to save us. Even if man could save himself by works it would not grant him eternal life because works cannot grant life. Only Christ by His resurrection can give life.
it is impossible... it is foolish and has nothing to do with scripture... no where is man said to have any part in bringing about his salvation except to hear and believe...Hear and believe have nothing to do with salvation. Christ did that for us. But it has everything to do with attaining eternal life.
that MUST be done by him and him alone as to the hearing and obeying... Not one thing else can man do that would be worthy of the most powerful thing and event in the annuals of man's portion in eternity...What is worthy and mandatory by God is for man to become the perfect human being. We are called to become transformed into His Likeness. He does not do that simply because you believed. The devil believes as well but will not do the will of the Father.
Didn't we learn ANYTHING from the late '60s?The issue is availability, not education. Smugglers have increased the production and import of heroin tenfold in the past few years. I don't believe that's a response to "demand" so much as a surplus of "supply."
Heroin and morphine are essentially the same drug.Not sure what they hope to accomplish. But I will keep an open mind. Oh yeah, and heroin is sometimes prescribed in the UK, though as a painkiller.is it?
Charlie24,QuoteI will never wrap my head around something unscriptural. You simply don't believe in eternal security because you believe in doing, working your way to eternal life. That is not Bible SM.First, your statement is a mischaracterization.
Secondly, I am curious that when someone has a particular view, as you do here, faith alone, OSAS, that the very opposite is the only option. Not only that but when someone explains the option you still stick to the strawman position instead of understanding what they are saying. You will win the strawman argument every time.
However, we are not saved by faith as you hold, either faith alone which is an ourright denial of the text, as well as OSAS, which is a quite recent imposed theory upon scripture. We are being saved
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
"hath everlasting life" This is present tense SM. It is here and now.
We are saved by grace through faith, not by anything we can do.
When you believe in obedience through doing for salvation the end result is total shipwreck.
OK Thad. you're right and the Apostle Paul in wrong. Paul was mistaken when he said we are saved grace through faith. I now see my error.
Let's make it Thad. 2:8-9 instead of Eph. 2:8-9.
It should read then: Thad. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye not saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Again, Charlie...you are acting like evolutionists when in debate against them...bait switching and using one passage that seems to give credibility to your "warring" instead of taking all of the evidence together and harmonizing it. Paul never taught cumulatively that you have eternal life through faith alone, that is a lie...but then again, you still can't seem to understand that salvation and eternal life are not the same thing.
Think on this...if both terms mean the exact same thing, then why are there two different terms? That makes absolutely no sense at all...
They may not be the same but you can not have one without the other... no salvation, no eternal life...no eternal life, no salvation... know eternal life, know salvation... know salvation, know eternal life... like a white perch and a speck is to a southerner...
I am not a southerner...so that reference doesn't register to me TS!
However, you are correct in saying that we cannot have eternal life without having salvation, but one can have salvation without having eternal life. Salvation was a one-time thing always addressed as a past event in one's life history...it happened, he was forgiven and cleansed from his past sin...but one's present sins are only forgiven if he remains abiding in covenant with God (I John 1:7).
You could have gotten saved 15 years ago and ceased to walk with God in the manner in which He decrees (covenant relationship) and not have eternal life today. Consistently the Scriptures teach that we need to "abide in Christ" in order to get anything from God...it does not say that we had to have abode in Him at some point in the past. It is always in the present tense...that means just what it says.
The salvation of which God promises is not eternal life with things being as described in Rev. 21:3,4 is not... Being saved from the penalty of sin is life and not death... no sin no death...
That is more false calvinistic teaching that is not according to the Scriptures. Here are the facts...if you want the Scriptural references let me know...
1. sin separates us from God because God cannot look upon sin.
2. the atonement is applied to our lives and our sins are forgiven and cleansed from us, not to give us eternal life, but so that God can now "look" upon us.
3. from Genesis to Revelation, eternal life has always and only been given to those in personal relationship with God - union with God...there is no other way.
4. Christ provided this atonement so that now we don't have to go out and kill an animal every time we sin, that is what free atonement means, it does not mean that
eternal life is given without conditions.
5. sin is taken away, but one does not have eternal life until he comes to God (which salvation [cleansing from sin] now allows us to do) and enters into union with Him.
This is what the OT Scriptures teach concerning the atonement, and it is the same in the NT Scriptures...the ONLY difference between the atonement under the OT and the NT is that there was a one-time sacrifice for all sin for the rest of time, and that was Christ. Nothing else has changed.