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Theology Forum / Re: Do evil spirits ever die?
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 06:13:27 AM »
tra5 - the book of enoch is NOT scripture and should not be taken as fact.
And yet the Bible quotes from it...hummmmm!
And Paul quoted an unnamed believer in greek mythology in Acts 17.28. That is the bible quoting them as well.  Does that mean we should all believe in Zeus and Hera?

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The book of Enoch has already been covered why it's not in scripture. 1 Enoch is a history book...and should be viewed as one....plain and simple.

And yet you are trying to pull doctrine from a history book.  Never a good idea. Any history that is not STRICTLY human history is suspect.  Any mention of spiritual beings like angels disqualifies it from being purely human history.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: How should Christians Approach Politics?
« Last post by One Mind on Today at 06:09:37 AM »
One Mind, you need to learn the difference between a gift freely given and a tax extorted under penalty of law. You also need to learn the difference between being selfish and lying to the Holy Spirit. [I suggest that you reread Acts 5.]

I know the difference between a charitable heart and taxes.  I also know of the deep selfishness of humanity. Charity to care for our poor here in America has never been enough. Yet to takes taxes which are paid anyway and use that to care for the poor irks some people. They get all riled up about it. So they care more about tax money being spent on the poor, than they care for the poor.

This is not to say that I agree with how our social safety nets are construed, for I do not. But I agree with the principle being used, for if not for that, americans would suffer a great deal more than they already do, in this Brave New World of Neo Feudalism. (globalization)

Perhaps we need to look into our own black hearts and SEE the real reason we are against using tax money to care for the poor? 

Taxes are here to stay, even if we hate paying them. As long as they are here to stay, and if we are gonna extract taxes(render unto casaer those things which are his...)  to get upset about using some of that money to care for the poor illustrates  much about such people. Their "misplaced" principles trump human life. An idea is more important than flesh and blood.  They cling to an idea created by a selfish human brain, so that they might feel ok about not using tax money to care for the poor. Yet many of these people are always ready to spend that money on killing other humans. The hypocrisy screams up towards heaven.  The Creator knows the heart of man. Even without the screaming, the stomping of selfish feet.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: My First Lutheran Service This Morning
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 06:06:07 AM »
DaveW, this particular Lutheran church is NALC affiliated.

I have read about Anglican churches in my search for a church to attend and it didn't interest me at a all.

I had to look that one up.  It is a very new denomination (2010) and seems to be one of the larger fragments of the group that left the ELCA conglomeration as it moves to the left on many key issues like homosexuality and abortion.
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Theology Forum / Re: Do evil spirits ever die?
« Last post by tra5 on Today at 05:52:29 AM »
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Are angels capable of reproduction? I don't know and the Bible doesn't say they can or cannot.
I really...I don't care. Does it matter?

Oh it matters....you put  the Nephilim in the mix and all that went on and it changes one of the big reason why the flood had to happen.You bring this info to a nonbeliever who throws out " The God of the Bible is a homicidal murderer lunatic" and you will have info that someone clueless like this just doesn't know.All they have is the dogmatic religions story on it...which is a newer take...and one that is dying a fast death.


If I told you that a man walked into a room where a little girl was sleeping and put a knife into her chest...what would you think of this man?
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Chosen, each person has a varying opinion on what they like in a service as well as denomination or non-denomination. Some might say once denomination is dead, yet someone else might say that same denomination is very much alive.

To each there own, yes?
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Theology Forum / Re: Do evil spirits ever die?
« Last post by tra5 on Today at 05:45:18 AM »
tra5 - the book of enoch is NOT scripture and should not be taken as fact.

And yet the Bible quotes from it...hummmmm!The book of Enoch has already been covered why it's not in scripture.1 Enoch is a history book...and should be viewed as one....plain and simple.
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Theology Forum / Re: Do evil spirits ever die?
« Last post by AVZ on Today at 05:43:14 AM »
Obviously a whole bunch of speculation going on in this thread.
There are examples of angels having a bodily form, but there are also examples of God having a bodily form.

People usually say that if God presents Himself in bodily form, it must be Jesus.
But I wonder, why? Why would we assume that the Father cannot present Himself in a bodily shape?

Does not our own creeds claim "sitting at the right hand of God the Father"?
So, could we at least hold it for possible that God the Father has a right hand?
Was it not God's hand that protected Moses from seeing Him, and Moses only saw His back?

Honestly, I do not know what a spirit looks like. Or if it even can be seen.
Apparently John could see them in Revelation. And he saw angels too.

Are angels capable of reproduction? I don't know and the Bible doesn't say they can or cannot.
I really...I don't care. Does it matter?
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Theology Forum / Re: Do evil spirits ever die?
« Last post by tra5 on Today at 05:42:52 AM »
"The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

The LORD JEHOVAH appear to Abraham in the persons of the three men, who were angels of God.  God himself is a Spirit that NO MAN can see, or has ever seen.  God the Spirit dwells in eternity from everlasting to everlastingIsaiah 57:15

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God is not male huh?Dang...was Jesus transgender?I never knew a women to be circumcised.

No. God is a Spirit!  Jesus was God's only begotten SON, which was ALL MAN.  The Word from the beginning joined Himself to the tabernacle of the SON of God walked among men.  He was in the bosom of the Father from eternity~which only means that in Jesus' Divine nature he was the I am that I am.  But, let it be known that Emmanuel was not begotten, but Jesus the Son of God was. 

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I'm going to ask again...has an angel ever appeared as anything but a male...or has the name of anything other than male?

I have already answered that.

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Angels are likewise spirits, who can appear as humans, (only the elect angels~ not the fallen, they can "only" indwell men) and as far as we have record of that from the scriptures, it is a man.


If this is your rebuttal this topic isn't going to go very well for you I suspect.

I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself fully known to them

No one knows how God appeared to them other than as a man.And God didn't appear to Abraham as 3 beings.He appeared as a man with two angels with Him who were men.

Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the breaking of day. Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. . . . And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there. So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”

And the Angel of the Lord appeared to the woman and said to her, “Indeed now, you are barren and have borne no children, but you shall conceive and bear a son. Now therefore, please be careful not to drink wine or similar drink, and not to eat anything unclean. For behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. And no razor shall come upon his head, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb; and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.”So the woman came and told her husband, saying, “A Man of God came to me, and His countenance was like the countenance of the Angel of God, very awesome; but I did not ask Him where He was from, and He did not tell me His name."


No. God is a Spirit!  Jesus was God's only begotten SON, which was ALL MAN.  The Word from the beginning joined Himself to the tabernacle of the SON of God walked among men.  He was in the bosom of the Father from eternity~which only means that in Jesus' Divine nature he was the I am that I am.  But, let it be known that Emmanuel was not begotten, but Jesus the Son of God was. 

Jesus is God...in flesh...He is the Father.Jesus always was ...because He is God.Yes God was a Spirit ..His name is Jesus.We are two things in one....a spirit and a body.
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Grams,  what denomination is it?

We went to bible study before the service where they are going through the book "Knowledge Of The Holy" by A.W. Tozer. There is a copied booklet that goes with it that asks thought provoking questions and scripture to read till answer other questions. Includes homework for the week.
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Theology Forum / Re: Do evil spirits ever die?
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 05:36:56 AM »
tra5 - the book of enoch is NOT scripture and should not be taken as fact.
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