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Prayer Requests Online and Praise Reports / unemployment
« Last post by anni on Yesterday at 04:35:01 PM »
Please pray for Tony, he desperately needs a job.  He has applied for so many and never hears anything back. Also, a previous business associate also owes him money and is refusing to pay.  Please pray that this man will be convicted and pay him what he owes, and that a job will come forth right away. 
He is very depressed and almost suicidal, his financial situation is dire, so he needs God to move in a mighty way.
Not sure what they hope to accomplish. But I will keep an open mind. Oh yeah, and heroin is sometimes prescribed in the UK, though as a painkiller.

Yes but under very strict conditions for the terminally ill for example.
News from Around the World / Halliburton Pounces on Baker Hughes
« Last post by Victor08 on Yesterday at 04:25:55 PM »
NEW YORK — Nov 17, 2014, 4:51 PM ET

 In a deal that shows just how quickly falling prices can upend the energy industry, Halliburton is buying rival oilfield services company Baker Hughes for cash and stock worth $34.6 billion.

Global oil prices have tumbled 31 percent over the past 5 months to levels not seen in four years. That has forced the industry to cut costs by delaying or scaling back drilling — which means less work for Halliburton and Baker Hughes, companies that manage oil and gas fields for energy companies.

Even when prices were high, oil and gas companies had begun to slow capital spending and new drilling as rising costs cut into profit margins. Energy companies now have even less to spend.

Halliburton Chairman and CEO Dave Lesar said Monday that the combined company will be able to reduce costs by $2 billion a year.
Theology Forum / Re: Eternally Secure
« Last post by Thaddaeus on Yesterday at 04:10:20 PM »

yes a part of it is works of faith... but the only thing those works have to do with our salvation that it was through it that we changed to what makes us work the work of Him that sent us.  it is impossible for a man to do an millisecond of work worthy of acceptation by God for what was wrought at calvary.
It is these kinds of statements that confuse me because I don't know exactly what you are addressing.   You use the word, "salvation" and that, for me, instantly removes it from any connection to what man does. What Christ did on the Cross is complete, man cannot do anything to add, subtract, effect it or affect it in any.  That is why Christ was needed, to reverse the fall of man, to recreate the universe, make it acceptable to God again.  When Paul speaks of the works of the law cannot save us, he is referencing substituting works of the law to save us.  Even if man could save himself by works it would not grant him eternal life because works cannot grant life. Only Christ by His resurrection can give life.
On the other hand works done through faith are worthy of making a man righteous I John 3:7, It is doing the work that will grant eternal life.  We are not attempting to add to what Christ did. On the other hand Christ did absolutely nothing for us to grant eternal life. He did not believe for you, He did not repent for you, He was not baptized for you, He did not love your neighbor or enemies for you. He does not keep His commandments for you.  Those and many more at the things that a believer must fulfill in order to obtain eternal life. Consequently when one loses faith, stops working with God, returns to his sinful habits and desires to live unto himself, then any works become meaningless.

it is impossible...  it is foolish and has nothing to do with scripture...  no where is man said to have any part in bringing about his salvation except to hear and believe...
Hear and believe have nothing to do with salvation. Christ did that for us. But it has everything to do with attaining eternal life.
It is the very purpose of our existence and why God gave His ONLY Begotten Son to redeem this world so that man and God could be reunited in an eternal relationship.

that MUST be done by him and him alone as to the hearing and obeying...  Not one thing else can man do that would be worthy of the most powerful thing and event in the annuals of man's portion in eternity...
What is worthy and mandatory by God is for man to become the perfect human being. We are called to become transformed into His Likeness.  He does not do that simply because you believed. The devil believes as well but will not do the will of the Father.
ByCBSNews.com staff CBSNews.com staffAPJune 2, 1998, 9:27 AM

Mexico High In U.S. Heroin Supply

Drug mafias in Mexico have used a more pure and potent form of heroin to become the second-largest supplier to users in the United States, according to a published report.
The Washington Post Tuesday quotes U.S. anti-drug officials as saying that Mexico now accounts for nearly 42 percent of all heroin brought into the United States, second only to Colombia.

According to officials of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, the Mexican drug mafias control virtually all heroin sales west of the Mississippi River, said the Post.

Meanwhile, the recently retired commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard, Adm. Robert Kramek, complained to the Post that tight budgets and partisan bickering have severely hampered the war on drug smugglers.
Improvements in the drug's purity may account for its growing popularity, experts say. Low-grade heroin, the kind produced by Mexico in the past, was only about 7 to 20 percent pure and had to be injected into the bloodstream.

Mexican heroin now averages at 50 percent to 60 percent purity, according to U.S. DEA figures. And unlike the old version, the more refined heroin can be smoked or inhaled, like cocaine.
Didn't we learn ANYTHING from the late '60s?
The issue is availability, not education.  Smugglers have increased the production and import of heroin tenfold in the past few years.  I don't believe that's a response to "demand" so much as a surplus of "supply."

Not sure what they hope to accomplish. But I will keep an open mind. Oh yeah, and heroin is sometimes prescribed in the UK, though as a painkiller.
is it?
Heroin and morphine are essentially the same drug.
Christian Politics Forum / Re: Arm the Syrian rebels?
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Yesterday at 03:44:19 PM »
Why would we give guns to these people?  They are not allies.

Theology Forum / Re: The Cross of Christ
« Last post by TruthScientist on Yesterday at 03:34:44 PM »

I will never wrap my head around something unscriptural. You simply don't believe in eternal security because you believe in doing, working your way to eternal life. That is not Bible SM.
First, your statement is a mischaracterization. 

Secondly, I am curious that when someone has a particular view, as you do here, faith alone, OSAS, that the very opposite is the only option.  Not only that but when someone explains the option you still stick to the strawman position instead of understanding what they are saying.  You will win the strawman argument every time.

However, we are not saved by faith as you hold, either faith alone which is an ourright denial of the text, as well as OSAS, which is a quite recent imposed theory upon scripture.  We are being saved

John 5:24  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

"hath everlasting life" This is present tense SM. It is here and now.

We are saved by grace through faith, not by anything we can do.

When you believe in obedience through doing for salvation the end result is total shipwreck.

OK Thad. you're right and the Apostle Paul in wrong. Paul was mistaken when he said we are saved grace through faith. I now see my error.

Let's make it Thad. 2:8-9 instead of Eph. 2:8-9.

It should read then: Thad. 2:8-9

For by grace are ye not saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Again, Charlie...you are acting like evolutionists when in debate against them...bait switching and using one passage that seems to give credibility to your "warring" instead of taking all of the evidence together and harmonizing it. Paul never taught cumulatively that you have eternal life through faith alone, that is a lie...but then again, you still can't seem to understand that salvation and eternal life are not the same thing.

Think on this...if both terms mean the exact same thing, then why are there two different terms? That makes absolutely no sense at all...


They may not be the same but you can not have one without the other...  no salvation, no eternal life...no eternal life, no salvation...  know eternal life, know salvation...  know salvation, know eternal life...  like a white perch and a speck is to a southerner...

I am not a southerner...so that reference doesn't register to me TS!

However, you are correct in saying that we cannot have eternal life without having salvation, but one can have salvation without having eternal life. Salvation was a one-time thing always addressed as a past event in one's life history...it happened, he was forgiven and cleansed from his past sin...but one's present sins are only forgiven if he remains abiding in covenant with God (I John 1:7).

You could have gotten saved 15 years ago and ceased to walk with God in the manner in which He decrees (covenant relationship) and not have eternal life today. Consistently the Scriptures teach that we need to "abide in Christ" in order to get anything from God...it does not say that we had to have abode in Him at some point in the past. It is always in the present tense...that means just what it says.


The salvation of which God promises is not eternal life with things being as described in Rev. 21:3,4 is not...  Being saved from the penalty of sin is life and not death...  no sin no death...

That is more false calvinistic teaching that is not according to the Scriptures. Here are the facts...if you want the Scriptural references let me know...

1.  sin separates us from God because God cannot look upon sin.
2.  the atonement is applied to our lives and our sins are forgiven and cleansed from us, not to give us eternal life, but so that God can now "look" upon us.
3.  from Genesis to Revelation, eternal life has always and only been given to those in personal relationship with God - union with God...there is no other way.
4.  Christ provided this atonement so that now we don't have to go out and kill an animal every time we sin, that is what free atonement means, it does not mean that     
      eternal life is given without conditions.
5.  sin is taken away, but one does not have eternal life until he comes to God (which salvation [cleansing from sin] now allows us to do) and enters into union with Him.

This is what the OT Scriptures teach concerning the atonement, and it is the same in the NT Scriptures...the ONLY difference between the atonement under the OT and the NT is that there was a one-time sacrifice for all sin for the rest of time, and that was Christ. Nothing else has changed.


1.  Sin is the reason we need to be reconciled...  God does not look upon sin lightly.  He sees everything...  He will judge what he sees in the way of sin... 

2.  atonement is a part of the process that occurs at our belief in the facts of the gospel...

3.  agreed...

4.  Atonement was because of what God said in Gen. 3:15...  the atonement is part of what allows us to live forever with God...   

5.  We return to God when we come to accept the fact that Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary, percecuted and crucified, was buried and rose again on the third day...
Preterist Forum / Re: Hello, is there anybody out there?
« Last post by Wycliffes_Shillelagh on Yesterday at 03:31:37 PM »
The dispensationalists were right, but left.


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