No matter what anyone says,does or has ever done or not done,no matter what anyone thinks is irrelevant,the fact remains that it is the will of God for us to live above sin 1 John 3:6-9 rather we do or not,even if none ever have or ever do is totally immaterial.The power to do so was purchased for us on the cross by His own blood which is now His own life and nature given to us but its up to us to learn how to receive and appropreiate it into our lives.When we truly trust Him of course we are just starting out and we are given grace to learn to follow and will continue in that forgiveness 1 John 1:7 but this is not an exuse to sin and verse 8 not a statement to be taken out of context to say that everyone continues to be under sin,it simply means when you do sin.Its a lie to say that God has simply left us at the mercy of the power of sin,not so.When it says Jesus Christ is come in the flesh it means my flesh and your flesh not just His,that was the whole purpose.Whatever denies this truth I believe is the AntiChrist spirit talked about in 2Thessalonians and in 1 John. Satan has one goal and that'
s to stop or minimize the power of God in the believer, to steal kill and destroy,to make you believe you must accept sin as a fact of life and looks for all who will buy into it.
have you heard anyone say on here that God does not expect us to overcome sin Dougie?
that was why he prompted adam as to the method satan would try him... God did not invent or create sin, He had not part in it's inception...it was satan's who first disobeyed and then brought the challenge to man... God gave man the answer to the test and we failed the first time... Dougie I am not sure how many years past from Gen. 3 till...
Genesis 6:5 (KJV)
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
but you can see the progression of sin up even to the cross... I don't have to go to specific scripture to prove that the power of sin is great upon the flesh of men who are not obedient to God. Also remember Israel had the law (the do's and don'ts) and still they ignored them and went whoring after other gods that are not gods even with the testimony God had given them along the way. and them when Jesus came...He set the example of righteousness in humanity and was still sought out and killed of His own people.
and you are very correct that God still desires us to live righteously. and he has equipped us with armor, weapons, tools, graces with all things that pertain to life and godliness and yet we fail.
that is not an excuse dougie, that is reality... by saying we sin I give no excuse to anyone to sin. are you suggesting that I not admit that as Paul says sometimes when I desire to do the right thing sin is present and sometimes I can over come the desire to commit sin and sometimes i miss it either knowingly or in ignorance. did paul lie dougie was he kidding with us or was he being honest and telling us that we need to know that sin is never for from us in the form of the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life...
as long as man is alive these three issues will be used against him again and again by satan and his minions... the attack against the mind's imagination while you sleep or day dreaming dougie... The death of Jesus at the cross did not take our flesh out of the game of life. we have the the necessities to live perfect but the flesh is a bit of a bother and most of us are have to sanctify ourselves daily to keep from taken by sin.
No God did not leave us hear to be overtaken with sin.
who on here has denied Christ coming in the flesh... my only point in all this is that we are not saved from sin... it is still trying you and me daily... the salvation that we have through the justification... we no longer have to worry about the wages of sin which is death... now in this world that scripture teaches where they that live godly shall receive persecution... is that sin or the power of sin working against us... the power of sin is still works against us... this is why i have trained myself to hate satan every time I see the evidence of sin in this world. and I use those things that God has given to work against them and as Paul says to first pray without ceasing, then act... you are not saved from sin dougie but the penalty of it and soon the power and presence also... till then occupy till he comes...