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Only if certain presumed consistancies allowing for measurement are implemented. The violent and radical changes of a global flood the effects of which are unobservable and therefore unknowable make virtually impossible. This is not to mention the same presumptions regarding the unobservable past even if there have been long ages. Even apart from the flood of the bible, science itself reveals radical change in and of this world by observable plant and animal fossils, and geological formations and structuring.

Are you an expert enough about how all of this works that you can demonstrate how to take seeming evidence of 300,000 years of time, or especially 800,000 years, and show how it can fit in a 6,000 year old earth? Christians who are also scientist know how to take such variables into consideration and they still arrive at these long time periods, but you still want to insult them all and claim that your viewpoint is correct and they are all wrong.

I want to know what your expertise is regarding all of this that your opinion is authoritative.
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Theology Forum / Re: How can Jesus Christ be God?
« Last post by 4WD on Yesterday at 16:21:04 »
Augustine denies that the Holy Spirit which communicates between the Father and the Son is a person. He says that God's word or WORDS is God's Wisdom expressed.  The Almighty as always noted by those teaching the true Trinity always has His Word or Wisdom with Him.

Augustine says that you deny God as the ALMIGHTY.  If there was another NATURE in addition to the ONE then God was-is not Almighty.

Too late now, but God help Augustine.
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Only if certain presumed consistancies allowing for measurement are implemented.
A statement supercharged in ignorance of reality.
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Amo,

Are you an expert in geology, meteorology, or other related field that you can tell that guy he is wrong?

Are you an expert in any such field that you can discount any and everybody who are experts in their fields and, as Christians, who also believe the earth is very old? Just your interpretation of the Bible is not enough to tell other Christians who know their stuff regarding the earth and weather that they are wrong.
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Theology Forum / Re: Endless Torture
« Last post by 4WD on Yesterday at 16:15:01 »
No, heaven and hell are both real places.....
LS3, even the word "place" denotes a physical entity, having no meaning until or without the creation, and thus is figurative when speaking of heaven and hell.
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Theology Forum / Re: Grace Did Not Drive Christ To The Cross.
« Last post by Makzej on Yesterday at 16:08:22 »
Maybe you are scared of emotions. Jesus wasnt. He showed his great love for us by what He did. He cried, He wasn't afraid to show emotions.

Maybe you you are unfamiliar with rational thought.

Just because Jesus once wept does not mean He wants His People to be Thin Skinned, Hypersensitive Twinks.  Just because you like to chit- chat about your intuitive feelings after Church on Sunday does not mean you are following Christ.  Jesus never encouraged anyone to be a Snowflake.
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Add to this the intensive study of climate change on this planet. Various sections of cores contain higher and lower concentrations of oxygen indicating extreme cold trends. The length of a given section and it's proximity in the core reveals when the climate change occurred and how long it lasted.


Cores have been dated to 800,000 years, within those samples many eras of climate change have been identified.

Only if certain presumed consistancies allowing for measurement are implemented. The violent and radical changes of a global flood the effects of which are unobservable and therefore unknowable make virtually impossible. This is not to mention the same presumptions regarding the unobservable past even if there have been long ages. Even apart from the flood of the bible, science itself reveals radical change in and of this world by observable plant and animal fossils, and geological formations and structuring.   
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General Discussion Forum / Re: New job
« Last post by hazel_eyes on Yesterday at 16:00:01 »
It helps to hear that. Thanks.
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Well, the guy I'm talking about is a Christian, believes the whole Bible, and is an expert in geology. You want to come here and say that your interpretation of the Bible trumps his understanding of what it says and trumps his expertise in geology. ::pondering::

Don't you think that a geologist, who is also a Bible believing Christian, could and would have taken into account the variables you describe here? If he says the layers represent years, it is probably because core sampling all over the world reveals years the same way. It's not like they had to wing it on that particular occasion in Antarctica to understand how to read a core sample. If, on that occasion, the sample looked different in some way, that would have been taken into account.

If I had to pick who to listen to regarding this info, you or him, he is the easy choice. But then, I may have missed something about you that could make the difference. Are you an expert in geology, meteorology, or other related field that you can tell that guy he is wrong?

Experts disagree and are wrong all over the place. This "expert" thinks this, that "expert" thinks that. An expert guess or theory about what cannot be observed is still just a guess or a theory. I believe the bible, agree with some ideas concerning things not addressed in scripture, and have some of my own ideas concerning the same. I would not however state any of them as fact short of observable evidence, or accepting God's word as truth, as I do. God gave us all brains to use for ourselves, simply submitting your understanding to everyone or anyone claiming to be, or claimed to be an expert, is not making good use of your brain as I see and understand it.
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Everyone thinks the decision by the Supreme Court concerning Roe vs Wade was settled once and for all by giving the right for pregnant woman to abort their babies.,  No that decision  was NOT  final because the court asked the defendants to prove when life began and when that fact is established they would rule in favor of the defendants  in effect washing their hands of the matter and throwing the ball in our corner to settle it and for more than 40 years we have been dribbling that ball around and around and never really trying to score the win.

That win can be finally achieved by Congress establishing when life begins by passing Senator Rand Paul’s Life Begins at Conception Act.  This will finally give the court the answer for which they have been patiently waiting for now over four decades  AND NOW IT IS TIME TO GIVE THEM THAT ANSWER.  Christians it is now your duty to God and these babies to flood your representatives in the U. S. Senate and U. S. House of Representatives with calls, e-mails and letters demanding this legislation be passed or they will never receive your vote for any public office they seek to obtain.

The Doomsday clock by God is ticking against America for its failure to stop this genocidal holocaust of the unborn which has grown far worse than that of Nazi Germany.  Another Sodom and Gomorrah awaits America if it will not end this abomination of abominations before God. It has already started with the school shootings, wild and catastrophic weather, killings and new diseases along with the wild fires unprecedented in American history (a little taste of hell and Sodom and Gomorrah) and will progressively get worse as time wears on until full repentance of all the abominations this country commits finally occurs.
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