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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 06:15:36 AM »
Dave according to God the definition of sin is the transgression of the law. Your definition is not in the bible , falling short of something is not sin
I fell short of being 6 feet tall , did I sin because I'm 5:10 "

In the bible there are sins, transgressions and iniquities.  In the NT sometimes they are all called "sins" but that does not remove the distinction.

Sins are every thing that fall short.
Transgressions are intentional violations of a known standard of God
Iniquities are the trans-generational bad effects of sins and transgressions.

Also - can you get yourself away from this "definition?"

Romans 14:23b   ...whatever is not from faith is sin.

Even obeying the commandments can be sin if it is not done from faith.   I will say it again - your definition is only partial and way too narrow.
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Prayer Requests Online and Praise Reports / Re: Problem worker
« Last post by johntwayne on Today at 06:13:26 AM »
praying
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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 06:08:32 AM »
Conditions

Ezekiel 18:21-23 KJV
[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. [23] Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God : and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

God's desire that we repent and return shows his love for the unrepentant sinner - not his hatred.
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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 06:07:02 AM »
The bible definition of love is keeping the commandments

That is the fruit of love, not the definition.

Exodus 20:6  but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Note that God Himself lists them seperately.  If keeping the commandments was the definition then this would be redundant.

John 14:15  “If you love Me, keep My commandments."

IOW it is the fruit or the proof of love.

Now the passage from Rom 13 to prove your point actually says something else entirely - Keeping the commandments summed up into "Love your neighbor as yourself."

But I thought this thread was about whether God loved us or not.  Does God keep the commandments?
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Theology Forum / Re: God actually chooses who will be drawn to Jesus.
« Last post by DaveW on Today at 05:54:04 AM »
Freewill also plays a part in us coming to Christ by faith.

What Rela is afraid of is a basic tenet of Calvinism - divine election. God already chose who was to be saved and who was to be sent to eternal torture before creation.

In that scheme of things, "free will" does not exist. It violates at least 2 of the basic points of calvinism: Total Depravity and Irresistable Grace.
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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by hap on Today at 05:47:21 AM »
Conditions

Ezekiel 18:21-23 KJV
[21] But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [22] All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. [23] Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God : and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by hap on Today at 05:42:37 AM »
Ezekiel 3:20-21 KJV
[20] Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. [21] Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man , that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Conditions
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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by hap on Today at 05:38:59 AM »
If person stop sinning he or she cannot be labeled a sinner once they repent

Ecclesiastes 8:12 KJV
[12] Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
Says who?  This verse does not say the person is no longer a sinner. Every human alive is a sinner from their first breath until their last.

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The bible definition of sin is

1 John 3:4 KJV
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sorry - that is only a partial definition based on what John was addressing to his audience. From a doctrinal standpoint it is woefully lacking.  But it is popular by those who like to think of them selves as being beyond sin, rather than realizing that we all sin many times every single day of our existance.

The words translated 'sin' in both testaments are archery terms that mean to aim at a target and miss.  In fact prior to the KJV being published, "sin" meant that in English as well.  It was NOT a theological term at all.

"For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."
"For all have [missed the target] and fall short of the Glory of God."

So ANYTHING that falls short or misses God's will is sin. Anything less than absolute perfection. And note that "fall short" is not in the past tense but PRESENT tense and was written to believers. Still falling short which means STILL SINNING.

Jesus told his person to sin no more

John 5:14 KJV
[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

It came out of Jesus mouth and he can't lie, it can happen

John 5:14 KJV
[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
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Freewill also plays apart in us coming to Christ by faith.
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Theology Forum / Re: Jesus the Conditional God
« Last post by hap on Today at 05:32:33 AM »
If person stop sinning he or she cannot be labeled a sinner once they repent

Ecclesiastes 8:12 KJV
[12] Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
Says who?  This verse does not say the person is no longer a sinner. Every human alive is a sinner from their first breath until their last.

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The bible definition of sin is

1 John 3:4 KJV
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sorry - that is only a partial definition based on what John was addressing to his audience. From a doctrinal standpoint it is woefully lacking.  But it is popular by those who like to think of them selves as being beyond sin, rather than realizing that we all sin many times every single day of our existance.

The words translated 'sin' in both testaments are archery terms that mean to aim at a target and miss.  In fact prior to the KJV being published, "sin" meant that in English as well.  It was NOT a theological term at all.

"For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."
"For all have [missed the target] and fall short of the Glory of God."

So ANYTHING that falls short or misses God's will is sin. Anything less than absolute perfection. And note that "fall short" is not in the past tense but PRESENT tense and was written to believers. Still falling short which means STILL SINNING.

Dave according to God the definition of sin is the transgression of the law. Your definition is not in the bible , falling short of something is not sin
I fell short of being 6 feet tall , did I sin because I'm 5:10 "
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