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Theology Forum / Re: Original Sin and the Promised Redeemer
« Last post by LexKnight on Yesterday at 09:01:51 PM »
It's written when He comes we'll be as He is. Think about that. Him with His Knowledge and Discernment, able to give righteous Judgment of all things, why would His people not share in that? Aren't the people of the Lord the sons of God? Isn't it written we are gods? Judgment comes to the Lord, would He not Judge through us? Paul said the Saints would judge the world, even the angels. Why is that worthy of doubt?
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General Discussion Forum / Re: How do you define marriage?
« Last post by Jd34 on Yesterday at 08:59:45 PM »
Hey JD, if an atheist man and atheist woman get married, would you say that's not a marriage then?
A marriage if it was God that put them together.
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Theology Forum / Re: Original Sin and the Promised Redeemer
« Last post by crowcamp on Yesterday at 08:21:51 PM »

"Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?  Do you not know that we will judge angels?'
1Corinthians 6:2-3

So, what is Paul telling us here? Is Christ not the ultimate judge of all? Shouldn't He alone judge the angels? How could we, mere humans, have the ability to judge angels?

Judgment here does not mean a literal seat where punishment is being decided on.
We humans will not be asked to decide on some kind of punishment for angels.

Scripture teaches us "Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe"
The difference between humans and angels is that angels are in the continuous presence of God, whilst we humans are not.
The faith of the saints is the standard that is used to give a position to the angels.

The judgment of the angels pertaining those who remained with God and those who rebelled also differs from our judgment.
There is no salvation for angels who rebelled against God for the reason that they lived in the presence of God. They are not given the grace we are given. Jesus did die for the sins of the world, but not for the sins of angels.

In other words, the faith of humans is considered to be of a higher standard than the faith of angels.
That's why it is said that the saints will rule together with Jesus, but angels will not rule...they are created to serve.

So "we will judge angels" does not actually mean we will judge angels? Does Christ judge the angels? And finally, how will the judgement differ from man's judgement? Won't both man and the angels be in the spirit realm at time of judgement?
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General Discussion Forum / Re: How do you define marriage?
« Last post by LexKnight on Yesterday at 08:14:40 PM »
Hey JD, if an atheist man and atheist woman get married, would you say that's not a marriage then?
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General Discussion Forum / Re: How do you define marriage?
« Last post by Jd34 on Yesterday at 08:07:54 PM »
A union between a man and a woman in which God is not left out.
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Charlie, I'm doing my best to go by the teachings of the scriptures. My desire is not to have it "my way", but to know & understand His.

I don't doubt that in the least, Tim. In short, I was saying I'm not going to argue about it. My friend, we have been here before and it resulted in an argument. I don't want that! I feel it's best to let go right here. We both made our points and that's all we can do.
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Theology Forum / Re: Original Sin and the Promised Redeemer
« Last post by Charlie24 on Yesterday at 07:59:03 PM »
As far as Satan and his angels cast out of heaven. It happened before Adam and Eve were created. When sin was found in Satan there was war in heaven and he was thrown out with the angels who took his part. Satan appears in scripture as the Deceiver in the garden.

Charlie,

I am not sure if you are completely correct.
The book of Job describes to us that Satan stands before God (Job 1:6)
It appears that at that point of time Satan still had access to heaven.

But we are going into a realm we do not really understand.
For example "there was war in heaven". We know that angels are immortal beings, so we could endlessly ponder over how a war could take place if parties cannot be killed.
What kind of war that was, how it was won or lost and how was dealt with the losing party is something not told to us.

Anyway, the book of Job takes place after creation, so it seems that Satan was permanently refused access at a later date.

Satan has access to the throne of God right now. He is the "accuser of the brethern." He is continually before God accusing the righteous.

Satan and his angels were cast out of their position in heaven, as a part of Gods kingdom in Gen., this happened some time in eternity past.

In Rev. 12:7-12 (this is during the great tribulation), he is now limited to earth only, vs. 9. God has taken all his privileges. He is about to be bound for 1000 years, at the end of the tribulation.
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Theology Forum / Re: Original Sin and the Promised Redeemer
« Last post by AVZ on Yesterday at 07:47:12 PM »

"Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?  Do you not know that we will judge angels?'
1Corinthians 6:2-3

So, what is Paul telling us here? Is Christ not the ultimate judge of all? Shouldn't He alone judge the angels? How could we, mere humans, have the ability to judge angels?

Judgment here does not mean a literal seat where punishment is being decided on.
We humans will not be asked to decide on some kind of punishment for angels.

Scripture teaches us "Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe"
The difference between humans and angels is that angels are in the continuous presence of God, whilst we humans are not.
The faith of the saints is the standard that is used to give a position to the angels.

The judgment of the angels pertaining those who remained with God and those who rebelled also differs from our judgment.
There is no salvation for angels who rebelled against God for the reason that they lived in the presence of God. They are not given the grace we are given. Jesus did die for the sins of the world, but not for the sins of angels.

In other words, the faith of humans is considered to be of a higher standard than the faith of angels.
That's why it is said that the saints will rule together with Jesus, but angels will not rule...they are created to serve.
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Charlie, I'm doing my best to go by the teachings of the scriptures. My desire is not to have it "my way", but to know & understand His.
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Theology Forum / Re: Original Sin and the Promised Redeemer
« Last post by AVZ on Yesterday at 07:35:26 PM »
As far as Satan and his angels cast out of heaven. It happened before Adam and Eve were created. When sin was found in Satan there was war in heaven and he was thrown out with the angels who took his part. Satan appears in scripture as the Deceiver in the garden.

Charlie,

I am not sure if you are completely correct.
The book of Job describes to us that Satan stands before God (Job 1:6)
It appears that at that point of time Satan still had access to heaven.

But we are going into a realm we do not really understand.
For example "there was war in heaven". We know that angels are immortal beings, so we could endlessly ponder over how a war could take place if parties cannot be killed.
What kind of war that was, how it was won or lost and how was dealt with the losing party is something not told to us.

Anyway, the book of Job takes place after creation, so it seems that Satan was permanently refused access at a later date.
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