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Debate Forum for Churches of Christ / Re: John 3:5
« Last post by Texas Conservative on Today at 07:51:38 AM »
John 3:5.  Not talking about baptism.  Timing and context prove that.

Of course it is. Timing and context prove that.

The baptism of Christ has not yet happened.  That is why context and timing are key, instead of CofC ideology.
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I think that this trial is a good thing in this age.  I remember churning butter as a child, the agitation brought the butter and cream to the top. 

Lovely and encouraging word picture. Thank you!  ::smile::
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 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." Matthew 7:6

Directly from Christ, all that Christians need to know regarding assertion of their beliefs.

This is no more an "Age of Unbelief" than any other Age. A secular world never has and never will accept Christ with open arms. The "battle" is never ending. One must fight that battle intelligently or risk being turned on and torn to pieces. None of us have to compromise our fundamental beliefs, but all of us must be wise in the timing and audience to which we express those beliefs. There are times and places when silence is quite advantageous.

Pearls before swine.  As always, valuable advice from our Lord.
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 07:42:49 AM »
I didn't call them reformers.  I only referred to their writings.

Agreed~but why even mention those heretic with godly men of old?

Because, even though they may not be as heretical, they nevertheless espouse some rather heretical thinking.

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I seldom rely on the writings of long dead "reformers" or those "early church fathers".

Yes, your doctrine is much later, somewhere around 1812, when it began to have legs, and got some foothold in the church of Jesus Christ, even though it has been here since the beginning, in a different form.

No, my doctrine is much earlier, somewhere between about 1500 BC and 95AD.  It is called the Bible.
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by TonkaTim on Today at 07:33:54 AM »
Quote from:  RedBaker
Works, at best can only be an evidence, not the means thereof.

I fully agree on this point. But to me the greater point are the works of God. God brings us to the Light to manifest His Glory. I can find no scripture that will convince me that God will leave His children, the children of light, in darkness leaving them with all beliefs & appearances as the children of wrath. If one is a child of God they will be called into the Light, that is not the evidence of our works, but the evidence of His works.
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by doorknocker on Today at 07:09:41 AM »
Maybe you should just go with God in His written word and forget about the writings of Smith, Russell, Zwingli, Calvin, Luther and all those "early church fathers".

That's deceitful!  Smith, Russell~reformers?  Not even close.  Shame on you, but what should we expect any more from you? Your other post to me is not even worth commenting on.  You mocked the teachings of Christ, and Paul, etc.~ Matthew 13:16,17; 1 Cor. 2:7-15

I didn't call them reformers.  I only referred to their writings.  Now your references are interesting, particularly 1 Corinthians 2.  I would hope that you do realize that nearly the whole of chapter 2 is Paul's defense of his divine inspiration as an apostle of Jesus Christ.  But I take it that you see it as describing you somehow.

And I didn't mock the teachings of Christ Paul, etc., but I admit that I did sort of mock some of the teachings of Calvinism, Catholicism and Kabbalism.

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Maybe you should just go with God in His written word

Practice what you preach.

I do to the best of my ability.  I seldom rely on the writings of long dead "reformers" or those "early church fathers".

4wd,

1 Corinthians 2
verse  6-16  is we and us
verse  1-5     is i referring to Paul

If you could see that then maybe you could also realize that spiritual truth is interpreted by the Spirit and
not taught by human wisdom.
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by Red Baker on Today at 07:05:44 AM »
I didn't call them reformers.  I only referred to their writings.

Agreed~but why even mention those heretic with godly men of old?

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I seldom rely on the writings of long dead "reformers" or those "early church fathers".

Yes, your doctrine is much later, somewhere around 1812, when it began to have legs, and got some foothold in the church of Jesus Christ, even though it has been here since the beginning, in a different form.
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excellent answers...  I believe that our sure foundation is based on our knowing what to do when we are under trial as we are now...  I can not help think of the dooms day clock that they show ticking and relate that to believers who are yielding to the pressures of the world moment by moment.  Many are ignorant because they ended up in churches that put there hope in prosperity and emotions and many other things than getting understanding of the word which fixes their heart.

I think that this trial is a good thing in this age.  I remember churning butter as a child, the agitation brought the butter and cream to the top. 

There are billions of people out there who are hell bound.  We have been entrusted with the most powerful thing (I hesitate to call IT a thing), the gospel.  When it brings forth fruit it does for eternity...
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by Red Baker on Today at 06:56:04 AM »
Quote from: Red Baker
I strongly believe that God has some of his elect ...  in many of the different religions of this world, though some are void of the possibility of truth being in them

Brother Red I can not accept that. There is not a lot we disagree on, but here we part ways. Abraham, Moses, & Paul are perfect examples of God Himself bringing men to Christ. Knowing that God has & can convert a man to Himself also illustrates God will not leave a His in total darkness. The scriptures show God will bring His to the Truth to demonstrate His Glory. "for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" & I have complete confidence God will reveal that to all that are His, just as He did to Abraham, Moses, & Paul.

"And the Lord said, I am Jesus"


I have already sent  you pm and will only said this for others who might have thoughts of the same. 

The strongest evidence of regeneration is having the correct doctrine concerning Jesus Christ being the Son of the Living God~co-equal with him in the attributes of the Godhead, that what could be said one, could also be said of the other, except for the humanity of Jesus, being the Son of man.

This begs the question: "Are other truths essential for one to be truly born of God, or do such things come over a life of a child of God?"  We must be very careful least we put people on a slippery slope of Salvation demanding a preponderance of good doctrine! This would be very close of teaching salvation by good works, and not by grace alone.  Works, at best can only be an evidence, not the means thereof. 
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Catholic Forum / Re: The biggest reason I am catholic
« Last post by 4WD on Today at 06:54:26 AM »
Maybe you should just go with God in His written word and forget about the writings of Smith, Russell, Zwingli, Calvin, Luther and all those "early church fathers".

That's deceitful!  Smith, Russell~reformers?  Not even close.  Shame on you, but what should we expect any more from you? Your other post to me is not even worth commenting on.  You mocked the teachings of Christ, and Paul, etc.~ Matthew 13:16,17; 1 Cor. 2:7-15

I didn't call them reformers.  I only referred to their writings.  Now your references are interesting, particularly 1 Corinthians 2.  I would hope that you do realize that nearly the whole of chapter 2 is Paul's defense of his divine inspiration as an apostle of Jesus Christ.  But I take it that you see it as describing you somehow.

And I didn't mock the teachings of Christ Paul, etc., but I admit that I did sort of mock some of the teachings of Calvinism, Catholicism and Kabbalism.

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Maybe you should just go with God in His written word

Practice what you preach.

I do to the best of my ability.  I seldom rely on the writings of long dead "reformers" or those "early church fathers".
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