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Theology Forum / Re: The greatest unused power in the world today....
« Last post by Tyler on Yesterday at 06:26:05 AM »
"Again, I do not understand why so many people want to explain these ('gifts')  away."

We don't have to explain. Paul states they would be "done away" when the "perfect has come." They had already vanished before Paul wrote "Romans."
Here we have a church with no miraculous, spiritual gifts. Did he not say that this was the reason he wanted to visit this church? To impart UNTO YOU SOME spiritual gifts" How? by the laying on of his hands.
(Romans 1:11). These "miraculous" spiritual gifts are not even listed in Galatians 5:22-26.

Question: Catholicism informs us that Peter was the "first Pope of Rome." Why had not Peter laid hands on anyone in the Roman church to "impart SOME spiritual gifts" if this was the paramount "POWER" of the church?

Did Paul not say that the "Gospel was the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that believes"? (1:16). Could it be this was the reason Jesus said "Go teach and MAKE disciples."? "Make" being the action verb.

Now, let's get back to who transferred these "spiritual gifts" to men in building the super structure of His church.  When one strays too far from the book of Acts expect to run into "Mysticism."
Ever wonder why Simon of Samaria (Acts 8) "a believer," did not enquire of Philip for the "gift of the Holy Spirit"? Simon saw something that today's charismatic movement has not! He tells us why in verse 18. You should "hi-lite" this verse for future reference when "making disciples."

"And when Simon saw that through laying on of APOSTLES' HANDS ("Peter and John 'SENT' by the church in Jerusalem vs 14-17) the Holy Spirit was GIVEN."
How was the Holy Spirit GIVEN?  It took the hands of an Apostle to impart gifts.

The apostles are GONE. Anyone claiming this "POWER" today is a phony and should receive the same rebuke Peter laid on Simon for "offering the apostles MONEY for this "POWER." Wonder how man churches have been built on this premise? How man souls lost because phony men have claimed this power?

 
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Theology Forum / Re: Why is the gospel the power and wisdom of God?
« Last post by Jd34 on Yesterday at 06:24:55 AM »
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Romans 1:16~"For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.,:
First, Paul said that the gospel of Christ is the power of God, unto salvation, which we know and understand that the salvation under consideration is a salvation knowing the the truth of the gospel of Christ, and has nothing to do with salvation from sin and condemantion, because of Paul's next clause in this scripture, which reads:
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"every one that believeth"
The gospel is only the power and wisdom of God to believers, not to the ungenerate...to them the gospel is foolishness~which Paul also told us in the following scripture:
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1st Corinthians 1:18~"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
Looking at both Romans 1:16, and 1st Corinthians 1:18, we understand what Paul is teaching us, and it is this truth: that a man first must be regenerated so that he can see and understand the power and wisdom of God in the preaching of the cross of Jesus Christ. The gospel is power and wisdom of God only to believers, not to those who believe not. But as to why this is so, we must keep reading:
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Romans 1:17~"For THEREIN is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
Romans 1:17 tells us why the gospel is the power and wisdom of God. Romans 1:17 is an explanation and a confirmation of the preceding clause of verse 16....the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Let us come back and consider Romans 1:17, and see what does it mean that the righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel. What if, our gospel that we trust in and proclaim is different than Paul's, is it still the true gospel? If not, what does that mean. Let me leave you with this thought: according to Paul the gospel can only be revealed from faith to faith~what is Paul saying? Let me help you out: "the truths of the gospel concerning the righteousness of God can only be revealed from a man that has faith, to one that has faith,  which again reconfirms that the gospel is the power of God unto everyone that believes, to Jew first, and also to the the Greek." In other words, regeneration of the Spirit of God comes first, and then our practical salvation of believing and understanding the truth. He that has wisdom, let him understand.  Later...

Ok,  so why are you taking Paul's word for it? This is what your question really reduces down to.
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Self decevied
« Last post by TruthScientist on Yesterday at 06:19:08 AM »

Me Myself
Rev 18 tells the story. Babylon that great city is fallen is fallen. Fallen means it against God All that is Babylon is antichrist. Read it and you will see these three thing represented there.  Political Babylon Religious Babylon , commercial Babylon. It says it is all coming to judgment and Gods true people are called to come out of her or be judged with it.  One does not have to be a prophet to understand this.

But if I know a thing then I am still accountable to it or be guilty of blood
how do you get out of political and commercial Babylon... 
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Christian Politics Forum / This absolutely scares me.
« Last post by Rella on Yesterday at 06:13:33 AM »
There is an old French proverbs that says

"Long on hair, short on brains" which I have taken exception to for all of my life.

However.... looks like they nailed it on this one

http://canadafreepress.com/article/rome-enters-the-presidential-election?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=aab2806e58-5_20_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-aab2806e58-297723745

"Rome Enters the Presidential Election "
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Theology Forum / Re: Why is the gospel the power and wisdom of God?
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 04:51:58 AM »
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Romans 1:16~"For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.,:
First, Paul said that the gospel of Christ is the power of God, unto salvation, which we know and understand that the salvation under consideration is a salvation knowing the the truth of the gospel of Christ, and has nothing to do with salvation from sin and condemantion, because of Paul's next clause in this scripture, which reads:
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"every one that believeth"
The gospel is only the power and wisdom of God to believers, not to the ungenerate...to them the gospel is foolishness~which Paul also told us in the following scripture:
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1st Corinthians 1:18~"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
Looking at both Romans 1:16, and 1st Corinthians 1:18, we understand what Paul is teaching us, and it is this truth: that a man first must be regenerated so that he can see and understand the power and wisdom of God in the preaching of the cross of Jesus Christ. The gospel is power and wisdom of God only to believers, not to those who believe not. But as to why this is so, we must keep reading:
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Romans 1:17~"For THEREIN is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
Romans 1:17 tells us why the gospel is the power and wisdom of God. Romans 1:17 is an explanation and a confirmation of the preceding clause of verse 16....the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Let us come back and consider Romans 1:17, and see what does it mean that the righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel. What if, our gospel that we trust in and proclaim is different than Paul's, is it still the true gospel? If not, what does that mean. Let me leave you with this thought: according to Paul the gospel can only be revealed from faith to faith~what is Paul saying? Let me help you out: "the truths of the gospel concerning the righteousness of God can only be revealed from a man that has faith, to one that has faith,  which again reconfirms that the gospel is the power of God unto everyone that believes, to Jew first, and also to the the Greek." In other words, regeneration of the Spirit of God comes first, and then our practical salvation of believing and understanding the truth. He that has wisdom, let him understand.  Later...
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Preterist Forum / Re: Prophetic and/or Symbolic Passages in Matthew 24
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 03:34:42 AM »
he Lord has come in judgment upon his rebellious children numerous times throughout biblical history. The A. D. 67-70 judgment was one of His most severest, so much so it is described as a "tribulation" (distress) not to be repeated.
People who believe this comment have lost their ability to reason spiritually speaking. First, one must trust "extra-biblical" information in order to believe this statement; secondly, are you saying that 70 A.D. (whatever happen, we truly do not know to the extent) was worst than world war one or two? Surely you would not go that far would you, but you have with your statement. Another point~Matthew 24 is strictly spiritual in nature, not literal~and can easily be proven. BondServant placed this in its proper place, for your understanding of Matthew 24, is not a whit different than a full pledged person who holds to Preterism~You and them may different on other scriptures, but here you are hand in hand with them.
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Theology Forum / Re: The greatest unused power in the world today....
« Last post by LexKnight on Yesterday at 03:32:26 AM »
One of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit is discerning of spirits.

Wouldn't it be nice to know that someone in the church could judge the spirits by evidence whether they are of God or evil?

They discern if they are present. Determines the purposes of the enemy. They can also discern if the person is speaking out of their own spirit.

Again, I do not understand why so many people want to explain these away.

Because spiritually they're dead, so instead of examining themselves and realizing they're very far from the Lord, they rather create a cessationistic doctrine so they can tell themselves the Lord is good with them.

I know a couple who possess discerning of spirits, and from what I understand it can be quite a burden of a gift. Everyone always wanna be a prophet but never considers the burden that comes with it.
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Parenting and Family Life Forum / Re: Stay or Go?
« Last post by LexKnight on Yesterday at 03:23:04 AM »
It's usually well to seek financial opportunities, but from the way you say it raising your children would need to be sacrificed. My opinion is they would be to be considered a priority. Better is a poor house but with children raised to know the Lord... With that said, certainly would be wise to seek the Lord on this, opportunities could arise where it wouldn't become a problem.
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End Times Forum / Re: The leopard-bear-lion "beast" of Revelation 13
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 02:54:54 AM »
RB  -  Apologies, I should have stuck a smiley icon on my last comment.  It's far too easy for a lame attempt at humor to be misunderstood online.  No offense intended.
Brother, I took no offense. Even if your feathers get ruffled, and in turn, you try to do the same to me..... so be it, that's the nature of the beast as the old saying goes. When people disagree with our understanding (all should be tested), we MUST give others the benefit of the doubt, that they as well, are just seeking truth, which all of God's elect should be diligently doing so constantly. Some men have too much pride about their own personal light and gifts~that they get very upset when someone questions their teaching on a given subject, and you should know very well one person that fit this mold very well, ...(JRC).....but, he's not alone, the world are full of such men! I have been humbled too times over forty two years of trying to understand the holy scriptures, but it has been a wonderful journey, one that I would take in a minute again, with less pride than before, by the help of God's mercy.  Concerning your disagreement:
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But I have to part company with you when you equate Satan with the beast and/or the Antichrist.  Here are two scripture reasons why I believe that to be impossible.  First, they are separated as two distinct objects of homage in Rev. 13:4, "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they (also) worshipped the beast..."(the leopard/bear/lion beast from the sea in Rev. 13:2)  How can Satan give power to the sea beast if he is the beast himself?  For another reference, Rev. 16:13 - there are three unclean spirits coming out of the mouth of the dragon, then out of the mouth of the beast, then out of the mouth of the false prophet (who is the same as the beast out of the earth in Rev. 13:11).  There are three different entities being spoken of here, or they wouldn't be listed separately.
I have no problem understanding the "seemly dilemma" you are faced with. I will come back and address this and the other one as well.
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End Times Forum / Re: My personal views on End Times bible prophecies.
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 02:29:50 AM »
Saudi Arabia had been making plans to go to war with Iran, Israel declaired they would join them in this effort.  Though Israel knew according to bible prophecy, in a war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, Iran would be the victor.  However, even in light of bible prophecy, Israel stated, their backing of Saudi Arabia would insure Saudi Arabia would change bible prophecy, for Israel is God's chosen people.  Is there any doubt, Israel is set to self destruct?
This statement alone tells me that you have just a sad case of psychosis~People who have a serious mental illness such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder and psychotic depression experience some or all of the symptoms of psychosis. People who have some types of personality disorder can also experience these symptoms; or, you have a spirit(s) speaking through you, or both. What if I told you that I received a call from the President Obama, and that he's looking for an Daniel to give him some advice of National Security, and that he was sending Air Force One to come and pick me up ASAP. Would you think I was a lunatic? If not, then if you were wise you should. BTW, natural Israel, or Israel after the flesh, are not more special than the bush man from Australia, who has never heard of the name of Jesus Christ.   
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