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Theology Forum / Re: Food for Thought
« Last post by hap on Yesterday at 04:38:22 PM »
Apple Fruit or fruit of lies?

Genesis 3:1-6 KJV
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? [2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: [5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. [6] And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Hosea 10:13 KJV
[13] Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.

Instead of literal fruit you can think result of an action. hosea 10:13 is not necessarily a reference to the forbidden fruit of the Garden but a bad result of a bad action in relation to doing wickedness. If you consider action to be tree and the result of the action to be fruit of the tree you would be able to interpret the Adam and Eve story with eating the fruit.

Hi vision

The fruit they ate was not a literal fruit but the words of satan. Eve talked to satan who was the serpent or tree in the Garden

Revelation 20:2 KJV
[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

They are the fruit of lies, it took a awhile for me to understand that we also consume with our mind
Theology Forum / Re: Food for Thought
« Last post by Vision on Yesterday at 04:36:57 PM »
Giants or tall men?

Genesis 6:1-2,4 KJV
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. [4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Deuteronomy 2:10-11,20 KJV
[10] The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; [11] Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims. [20] (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

Numbers 13:33 KJV
[33] And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Giants are tall or extremely tall men. My two cents. They are probably from Cains race if you are looking for some other source of giants not from the falling Angels like some would think. If you analyse  Genesis 4:14 you would see that Cain was cast out in hiding and was in fear of his life that people would find him and try to kill him and told YHWH he cant manage to go through that ordeal. YHWH then gave Cain a mark that whoever finds him and try to slay him vengeance will be exerted 7 folds. this could mean either that cane would be stronger than his enemy or that if caught and killed his line would do 7 times worst. But based on the mark I take it to mean that Cain would be stronger like a giant. The Hebrew word Nephalim also meant cast out or rejected or to fall away which Cain was and so was the Angels Cast out or fallen from heaven. The Fallens(Nephalim) were described as Giants in the bible that does not necessarily mean fallen angels or giants but the giants of Cain's race that were fallen or cast out. There children were sons of gods that had built cities and had mighty rulers not in the sense of being divine but of the fact that the word gods is the Hebrew word elohim that meant rulers of cities. These sons of rulers were boastful, big and strong and were  sexually immoral and took any amount of woman they want to have sex with hence wives. These people were before the flood.

The only concern is that after the flood there were still sons of elohims/rulers(gods?) behaving badly such as Nimrod the grandson of Noah and his children. They started and ruled Babylon and other cities and was boastful, mighty and powerful. The only part to reconcile is the fact that it seems as if there were still giants in the land. Assuming that the flood wiped out all of Cain's lineage the possibilities would be that either Noah carried the gene of giants from those who were disobedient and took wives from Cain's lineage or that the giants actually came from fallen angels mating with womnn to produce supernatural strength.

Published April 21, 2014 ∙ Associated Press

WASHINGTON –  While scientists believe the universe began with a Big Bang, most Americans put a big question mark on the concept, an Associated Press-GfK poll found.

Yet when it comes to smoking causing cancer or that a genetic code determines who we are, the doubts disappear.

When considering concepts scientists consider truths, Americans have more skepticism than confidence in those that are farther away from our bodies in scope and time: global warming, the age of the Earth and evolution and especially the Big Bang from 13.8 billion years ago.

Fundamentalist Christian ministers share a lot of the blame for many Americans not believing the Big Bang origin of our universe, which is true.

There is no blame, the big bang is a theory put forward by some  scientists, it is not a fact as such, there were no witnesses to this event and cannot be observed.

The resurrection of Jesus was witnessed though plus has the added element of faith which has worked for countless numbers of believers even when threatened with death and hardship.

What does the resurrection of Jesus and the witnesses to His resurrection have anything to do with the actual origin of the universe?

The person who recorded the creation account in the Book of Genesis also did not witness the creation of our world and simply recorded the myth that was handed down, word of mouth, through many Jewish generations.

And, yes, there is MUCH empirical evidence supporting the Big Bang theory. Some people just want to wish it away.

It is funny that when the theory of the Big Bang was presented many scientists took issue with it because it seemed too much like the Genesis account.

As you say there is much empirical evidence for the Big Bang, but it is not fact, and not truth as you say, of course it could be.  Neither can we be certain that the writer of Genesis was not given first hand knowledge of the event, or even witnessed it if that were God's will.

You are quite correct, Carey. I do not expect that the Theistic Evolution/Creationist debate to be settled until after Christ returns, and everyone here knows how I believe the truth will "go down" on this point. I also expect that Christ will clarify the identities of the Two Witnesses of Chapter 11 of the Book of Revelation, who I believe are in the world right now (at least, one of them is) and they've been busy carrying out their End Times mission for over 20 years now, as I have previously posted.

Theology Forum / Lord Lord! "Forget it!"
« Last post by LaSpino3 on Yesterday at 04:31:49 PM »
It it possible that individuals can teach God's word, have it blessed by God, yet they themselves be rejected of God?

Matt.7:21, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I (Jesus) profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity."

What the Lord seems to be saying is, "yes, you have acknowledged my authority, believing that I am the Son of God, professed faith in the perfection of my righteousness, and in the merits of my atonement, yet you shall not enter into my kingdom."

Why not?
Your thoughts,

Phil LaSpino
He gave specific signs so that when the believers saw they would flee to the mountains. Its not about our 'logical conclusions' its about what the Word of God says.

Now what I can't figure out is why everyone seems to want that to fall on our generation.
Theology Forum / Natural religion or not?
« Last post by LaSpino3 on Yesterday at 04:26:09 PM »
Natural religion! Is this possible? Is there any such thing as natural religion? Because of the fall, man’s reason has departed, and without any revelation from God, mankind would remain under the greatest of darkness. We can observe this if we consider the history of nations who are destitute of any form of Christianity, and who therefore are given to every sort of barbarism, ignorance, cruelty, and every other evil know to man.

Some will claim that nature can give us a sense of God, but can nature inform us of what worship would be acceptable to Him? Nature will not tell us we are a fallen race, or how we could recover from it. How would we know of the immortality of the soul, the resurrection of the body, and of a future state?

I agree that Scriptures reveal that the law of God is written in every man’s heart, and we are a law unto ourselves. Yet even here the most moral of those without any revelation of/from God are so blinded as to be guilty of every vice know to man. My conclusion is, without any revelation of/from God, it would leave us in uncertainty, ignorance, and ungodliness.

Your thoughts,

Phil LaSpino
Here is my favorite.  I'm going to play it in church in a few weeks.  Our sunday morning service is very traditional with traditional hymns.  I was approached a couple months ago to breath some life into the saturday evening service along with a couple other members since the service was small usually only holding less than 20 members on average.  We were told that for months there were only 5 or so members coming out to the saturday service.  We turned the service into more of a family oriented contemporary service.  We now have on average 2-3 guitarists, one person on tamborine, occasionally a flutist.  The service has grown to over 50 members attending regularly.  We try to mix traditional hymns with a more contemporary beat along with a few new songs.  My evenings lately have consisted of searching for new songs and preparing powerpoints to use during the service on overhead.  It's been allot of work but well worth it. 

We do not overcome by concentrating on the enemy, his demons and our sin nature. 
We overcome by "looking away unto Jesus" and realizing and claiming who we really are in Christ.

Here I go posting this again ... B-O-R-I-N-G ...
Dis is the overcoming that Jesus iz interested in ...

Rev 3:
21   To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22   He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Evidoontly, Jesus has a BIG mirror.
And He realizes and claims who He really is in Christ.
Theology Forum / Re: Is Jesus God
« Last post by JohnDB on Yesterday at 04:04:16 PM »

And every member here would vehemently disagree with all that you believe from the scriptures.

Quotes / Charles Spurgeon quote
« Last post by Friend of God on Yesterday at 03:35:19 PM »
The resurrection is a fact better attested than any event recorded in any history, whether ancient or modern.  Charles Spurgeon
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