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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by Buster D Body Crab on Yesterday at 05:07:08 PM »
ANE= Ancient Near Eastern.

That's correct.  But, I rather............. no, I WILL, follow the word of God, in teaching God's covenant of GRACE, or the New Covenant.


In other words, Red follows made up covenants that are never taught in the Scriptures.

There is no such thing as a covenant of grace...or of works, they were made up by calvinist theologians in the 1600's and are called "theological covenants" for the very reason that they are NOT found anywhere in the Scriptures.

Grace has permeated throughout the entirety of human history, it has never been regulated by any age or "dispensation." The new covenant is not a covenant of grace, it is the covenant of reconciliation made possible by grace...

This part makes sense to me:  it is the covenant of reconciliation made possible by grace.
Reconciled to God after that gulf made by sin.That made possible because God is gracious.
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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 05:04:59 PM »
Red said...

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He wasn't, much of what calvin taught is contradictory to what Paul teaches.

Why do you not prove your words.
 

I have proven it, many times. Paul does not teach eternal security. Paul does not teach the same predestination that you cling to. Paul does not teach the false doctrines of total depravity, of limited atonement, nor of any of the other false teachings that calvin originated or carried over from other people who didn't know how to interpret the Scriptures, such as Augustine...

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I am not a following of Calvin, but I do appreciate his gift, and love for the scriptures.
 

Besides the gift of showing us how not to interpret the Scriptures, what are you referring to? We have no evidence that he had "love for the scriptures."

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Take Calvin's own words and prove where he is against Paul, or, your opinion is just that~ your private thoughts, that are not supported by the scriptures.
 

Sure, I might just do that...start a thread dedicated to dismantling calvin's teachings using his own words... However, nothing that I have said is just my opinion, the Scriptures demonstrate that to a "T."

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If believe as much as you do against a certain man's teachings, then I would use that man's own teachings from his own mouth and then take the word of God and prove them false~UNTIL you do that, your words mean not one thing, to the faithful.


Then you are saying they mean a whole lot to you...thanks!


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Churches of Christ Forum / Re: Holy Spirit or Emotional Feedback?
« Last post by Tyler on Yesterday at 04:59:59 PM »
Jerry: "To the point – what do you discern 1Cor.2:14 to mean?

The "natural" man of 1 Cor. 2:14 is one like me who has not received the Spirit.
Paul has just said in verse 7---"But WE (apostles) speak the wisdom of God in a mystery"
We would expect this would we not by reading John 14:25-26?

I was not in the upper room when Jesus prayed to His Father. "I have manifested my name unto the men which you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me: and they have received them." These men received direct revelation from the Master.

Paul receive words by "revelation" as did the twelve. Did he not say in 1 Cor. 11:23 (in writing to
the church at Corinth) "For I have receive of the Lord that which I also delivered unto you etc."?

This is what Paul is saying in 1 Cor. 2:6-10. "Look, you winnable apostles---you have not "receive the wisdom of God in a mystery, But God has revealed them to Us (apostles) by His Spirit.

I would know absolutely nothing if God had not revealed Himself through the men to whom He gave His "word" "the Spirit of truth." (John 16:13).
In context of 1 Corinthians 1:2 Paul is saying  "He that is Spiritual judges all things, yet he (the Spiritual man/apostle) is judged by NO man." especially a "natural man."

"For who has known the MIND of the Lord, that he may instruct him?" (v. 16).
Meaning ME---I do not know the mind of the Lord, nor, does anyone of this Forum or over in Rome wearing a beanie; and I don't care if you have prayer meetings till the dogs come home.....We are all in the same boat---we must discern what the Spirit said through His apostles (Matthew 10:20).
Jesus--"I pray that they believe on me through their word (apostles) John 17:20. So, you do not have to believe me---discern what the apostles say-----and go for it.

Thanks for thinking of me at prayer meeting Jerry---
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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:59:06 PM »
thank you Barnabas!  and thx for the version SM uses.

It is not a bible version, but rather a system that he draws his understanding from concerning the 'Covenant thinking"

That's why I said what I did:

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That's correct.  But, I rather............. no, I WILL, follow the word of God, in teaching God's covenant of GRACE, or the New Covenant.


It is a version, Red...its just a shame you can't get passed your bias to understand that fact.

And covenant thinking is what the Scriptures are all about...it is how they were written and understood in the days when they were written...and that is why you only think you understand them - because you know little (if anything) about covenant (accurately) and how that understanding affects our comprehension of the Scriptures.


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We were at lunch the other day and two people were talking about this because it was on the news on the TV over the restaurants bar area.
Turn the area of Iraq where ISIS has infested it and after we've pulled out our troops and all USA friendlies. Deport all Muslim professors from our colleges and arrest all reported radical Imam's.

They're dreamers of course.
I don't get the part about: turn the area of Iraq where ISIS has infested it. Turn what? Thanks.
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Who took the picture of this boy behind the screen? And if the grandmother is so upset why doesn't she help his mother who suffers Osteoporosis to the point she's the issue for this boy being late.
It's bad judgment to treat a child like that. Knowing what Hunter was going through after the first time behind the screen his mom should have gotten up earlier to make it on time.

What's really weird is the news of a beloved actor dying and posted on a Christian forum gets no attention. Nor does another news item that should be important. Instead what befell a kid that could have not suffered this had the mom been proactive all the way around draws attention.

When it is all over and done with even. Not even a prayer for Leonard Nemoy on a Christian forum. That's a real shame.

I dont think you can compare the two things, they are completely different situations. I am not sure that a prayer for him will change anything at this stage, its what he did and believed when alive that will have made a difference.

It's important to keep Nemoy's loved ones in prayer, since they are still grieving. Other than that, I agree on what you said. This situation with Nemoy is completely different than the one with the little boy. I feel like it's unfair to try and compare both. Besides; while I was sad about Nemoy's death, and prayed about it, I did not have much a connection with him. So I did not grieve over it. Others may have, but I did not.

As for the situation with the little boy, I have more of a connection, since I still remember being that kid just wanting to go to school and being accepted by peers and adults. The situation apparently went viral Wednesday, but I didn't find out about it until Saturday. Regardless, it upset me, and it still does. And the situation may be "resolved", but only in a sense that the isolation place has been moved to a different location. It just saddens me to know that any child would be treated like this.  I just pray that the little boy is doing better.
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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:56:39 PM »
According to Eternal Security...,


You have once again tried to highjack this thread, barnabas.

Do it again and I will ask the moderators to do what they have to.

 ::frown::

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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:53:44 PM »
ANE= Ancient Near Eastern.

That's correct.  But, I rather............. no, I WILL, follow the word of God, in teaching God's covenant of GRACE, or the New Covenant.


In other words, Red follows made up covenants that are never taught in the Scriptures.

There is no such thing as a covenant of grace...or of works, they were made up by calvinist theologians in the 1600's and are called "theological covenants" for the very reason that they are NOT found anywhere in the Scriptures.

Grace has permeated throughout the entirety of human history, it has never been regulated by any age or "dispensation." The new covenant is not a covenant of grace, it is the covenant of reconciliation made possible by grace...


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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:49:19 PM »
The idea of being saved for belief only comes from not having a close look at the verses that supporting, not reading the rest of the new testament and a misunderstanding of the word faith.

Who are you talking to?  Yourself? We are saved from sin and condemnation by the obedience of ONE PERSON, Jesus Christ, God darling Son.  Our faith is nothing more then an evidence that the free gift of eternal life has been given to us by God promises of GRACE to the seed of Jesus Christ, based upon his righteousness, not our. Now, we who are of Christ, are zealous to maintain godly fruits of the indwelling Spirit of God, by walking after his commandments, and not after the flesh.  That's the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ~all of God's children said: Amen brother Red


Another half-truth.

Salvation is not the same thing as eternal life, and eternal life is only given as a promise to those who remain abiding in Christ...you continually stop before presenting the whole truth of the gospel, Red...I am beginning to think that you do this on purpose.

All of God's children who are not duped into believing half-truths, say Amen...


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Theology Forum / Re: A study on the nature of eternal life
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 04:43:21 PM »
Red Baker,

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They at least understood the true nature of eternal life~that it is a free gift of grace, given freely to those given to Jesus Christ, by his Father, before the world begun.


back to the drawing boards.  You missed it as well, by 1500 years.


He also misses the fact that one must be abiding in Christ in order to have that conditional gift of eternal life. He has been shown that many times and refuses to acknowledge that truth...along with the other truth that God does not choose who will be saved.


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