GCM Home | Your Posts | Rules | DONATE | Bookstore | RSS | Facebook | Twitter

Recent Posts

Pages: 1 ... 8 9 [10]
91
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 01:05:10 PM »
Have you considered changing your screen name?   Wrong Way Corrigan would be a good fit......................................... ...........................you continually mock Grace. 

I needed a good laugh to start my day, after first beseeching God to give us wisdom and guidance to walk so as to please him in all we say and do, and to love others as we love ourselves, even you SM.  I pray that God would be merciful to those that are his, yet not submitting themselves to the righteousness of Jesus Christ, but are going about establishing their own righteousness.
 
You are stumbling at that stumbling stone thinking and preaching that God's righteousness is obtain by our own works, and not by faith only.  Faith not being the source, or means, but the system under which God has chosen whereby the children of his promises may come to know of their free justification.  But, it is not only you sir, but even others here, who cannot get their understanding around that most blessed truth. 

It is because of THIS TRUTH, that the beloved apostle Paul labored and prayed that the children of God's promises would be saved (practically speaking) and come to a knowledge of THIS TRUTH! Romans 9-11

He definitely has a zeal but not according to knowledge RB...good post!!!


Actually, TS...in a different format I can prove everything that I post here, but since people don't want to read all of the passages involved, it is quite impossible here. My zeal is most definitely based upon a more thorough and accurate knowledge and understanding of the Word, which can't be said for most here.

Blessings!

92
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 01:03:07 PM »
Red said...

Quote
I needed a good laugh to start my day, after first beseeching God to give us wisdom and guidance to walk so as to please him in all we say and do, and to love others as we love ourselves, even you SM.  I pray that God would be merciful to those that are his, yet not submitting themselves to the righteousness of Jesus Christ, but are going about establishing their own righteousness.
 
You are stumbling at that stumbling stone thinking and preaching that God's righteousness is obtain by our own works, and not by faith only.  Faith not being the source, or means, but the system under which God has chosen whereby the children of his promises may come to know of their free justification.  But, it is not only you sir, but even others here, who cannot get their understanding around that most blessed truth.
 

Red, you continually misconscrew my words at every chance you get...I find that to be a dastardly and underhanded manipulation on your part. Care to try to stop doing that, any? This is what I teach, which is what the Scriptures teach when we take them as a whole (which you have NEVER done)...

1.  We receive the righteousness of Christ by grace, through faith, when we come to God on His terms...

Romans 3:21-22
 21   But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it--
 22   the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:

2.  And then we are commanded to practice the righteousness that God has imputed to our account (this is the part that you CONSISTENTLY blaspheme)...

Romans 6:13-16
 13   Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
 14   For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
 15   What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
 16   Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Nope, it is not I, "sir," who pervert the teachings of the Scriptures. You are both given "free" righteousness and you are commanded to walk and practice righteousness, and by only sticking with the first part you teach half-truths. Hell will be filled to the brim with people who believe and teach half-truths rather than the whole truth of the Scriptures...because half-truths are the same as deception, lies.

You are deceived, Red, and I pray that you will one day come to the truth before its too late. I am not saying that you haven't been saved, I just find your take on the Scriptures to show a lot of doubt...you are OK to doubt mine too, that's just the way it goes.

Quote
It is because of THIS TRUTH, that the beloved apostle Paul labored and prayed that the children of God's promises would be saved (practically speaking) and come to a knowledge of THIS TRUTH! Romans 9-11

Wrong...it was because of the truth that God's grace does not take the place of faith, obedience, prayer, or anything else that God has provided for us to do, that Paul labored...apparently in vain for some people.

Grace has always been here, just as was faith and imputed righteousness. The ONLY difference is that we don't have to kill an animal today every time we sin...you are STILL responsible for your destiny, just as men have always been. you and those like you seem to use grace as a crutch so that you are not responsible for anything that you do...but sorry, that is not what the Scriptures teach.

Have a good day.



93
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 12:48:18 PM »
NR said...

Quote
Have you considered changing your screen name?   Wrong Way Corrigan would be a good fit.
   

If we are to go by what we post, that screen name would fit you to a "T"...but thanks for your concern...

Quote
Chuck Smith was never a Calvinist.
 

I didn't say that he was, what I said was that after he founded Calvary Chapel in the 60's, it became the place where all of the hippies with their "free love" mantra ran to as they got saved. That same erroneous "free love" mantra melded with grace and the teachings on grace came to evolve into the modern calvinistic slant. You are reading into what I said things that I did not say, please try not to do that.

Quote
The truth is that a divide began in this group because some of the pastors, who pastor individual congregations all over the United States, began to preach a Calvinist influenced doctrine.   That was not because of Chuck Smith.
 

Again, I didn't say that it was.

Quote
I actually know Calvary Chapel members and pastors.  Do you?
   

Yes, I did...I actually attended a CC in my hometown for a while until I began learning the calvinistic slant, and left.

Quote
Chuck has gone on to be with the Lord and no longer has to put up with such comments as this which are based on rumors and hearsay.
   

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. We will not know for sure until we get there...if we all get there. As for comments based upon rumors and hearsay, if that is what you think I did you are sadly mistaken again, because I spoke from knowledge on the subject, not rumor or hearsay. But nice try...

Quote
Christ and His finished work on the cross is the embodiment of Grace.   But you continually mock Grace.
     

The first part of your sentence above is true, however you don't seem to grasp it very well. I do not mock grace, I show that grace as it is taught by many today is a perversion, and NOT what grace is in reality as God has placed it. There is a difference, and you don't apparently see that difference.

 ::tippinghat::

94
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 12:34:45 PM »
God basically divorced them for their failure to obey him but I contend, if they had indeed turned their hearts to God, He would have given them grace for the intent of their heart. They of course did not turn their hearts to God hence leaving themaelves vulnerable to the penalty of the law. God kept pleading with them throughout the Torah to obey Him and He would bless them.

Though I agree to a degree, I would rather say He divorced them on account of their faithlessness. Remember, they were bowing to other gods as well, taking part in their rituals while at the same time considering themselves sanctified before the Lord, and He was not having that. It's basically a spiritual way of having an affair.

I agree with you. But let us not point the finger at faithless Israel of the OT, WE today are in the same situation, calling on God but bowing down to another. Please go back to 2Kgs ch 17, and see what happened to ancient ISRAEL because of BAAL/sunday worship....and so do they unto this day.
 

I am pretty sure that God is happy to be worshipped any day.

You can't be serious ! should God be grateful for whatever man can give Him ?
Why would He sanctify and hallow a special D ay and ask man to keep it holy IF He is not really bothered about it ? Why would He make His own begotten and beloved Son Lord of His Day IF any day would do just as well ?
We either take God at His Word or we do it our own way....and it is obvious what man is doing , and has done.


Beta, this OP is not about the fallacies of still holding to the 10 commandments (including the Sabbath commandment) which Christ did away with. Please stick with the OP...thanks!

 ::smile::

95
End Times Forum / Re: Mark of the beast.
« Last post by kensington on Yesterday at 12:31:30 PM »
Absolutely, and the Liberal press will play a big part in stirring the hate towards them...  The internet will play as much a part as TV.  The Antichrist will take advantage of these medias to put forth his agenda and to cause the world to reject them and hate them. They will probably be killed on live TV and the images replayed over and over for three days.  God will lift them up and take them home live on TV and the Internet via CNN also. PRIASE GOD!! 

96
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 12:30:34 PM »
Charlie said...

Quote
Adam and Eve didn't have a sin nature when they sinned.


I don't know who you have been listening to, Charlie, but the Scriptures teach that the flesh IS the sin nature...so unless you are trying to say that Adam and Eve were spirits and not physical, flesh and blood people, your take on this is out the window.

 ::tippinghat::
 
97
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 12:27:13 PM »
Red said...

Quote
At the turn of the century, prayer and holiness were the two most important things to the general church at large. Since then, the church (and this country) have been going down hill ever since...prayer being replaced by calvinistic teachings on the supremacy of grace. In the 1960's, with the inception of Calvary Chapel - the largest calvinistic teaching branch of Christianity - and the subsequent pull toward this movement on the "Flower Children" coming out of the mess they were into (which fit right in with their "free love" mantras), the unbalanced doctrine of "all of grace and nothing of me" steadily pushed to dominate all others.

Amazing~you cannot discuss anything with taking a swing at Calvinism, as though Calvinistic doctrine is at the bottom of all evil!
 

That is because in the church world, calvinism stands ever bit against the truth of God's Word as does divorce and abortion. It is not the bottom of all evil as you put it, but it effectively prevents people from moving into a saving relationship with God. Just as the Psalmist says...

Psalms 119:104
Through your precepts I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way.

Therefore, what is your reason for NOT hating the false ways of calvinism?

Quote
You are only showing your ignorance and hatred toward TRUTH.


Negative Red, you are showing your tolerance and misguided allegiance for false teachings...

Quote
Some of the greatest saints held firmly to the doctrine of election of grace.
 

Greatest according to whom? You? The majority? Don't make me laugh...it is God to whom we have to do with, not what men think.

Quote
Many of our founding fathers and some of our greatest institutes of learning were founded upon those glorious truths.


Yes, the glorious truths of Scripture, NOT the false teachings of a man who didn't even have the Spirit of God indwelling him, whom we have no evidence whatsoever that he was ever even saved, and plenty of evidence that he was not.

Quote
Do you need proofs.  I am convince that system like yours are the main reasons that this world is heading for God's judgments.
 

Yes, I know...you are convinced in the same manner as the Pharisees were.

Quote
There was a time in this world when kings and all those in authority at least understood the truths of grace, and I have strong proof if you need it.

you are talking out of ignorance on the subject again, like you usually do. Please, provide evidence that kings and all those in authority understood Biblical grace...

Quote
Now, most know nothing of the doctrines of grace, including Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc who were started for the sole purpose of training ministers IN THESE TRUTHS~would you care to disprove this, I am ready.


Oh, no...I believe that these schools of higher learning were established by Christians, just as most hospitals were. Yet you confuse Biblical truth with the twistings upon grace that you cling to, and that there is really no way to argue...unless you have written statements by the Deans and Administrators of these organizations from the past...do you? Or is this just more bluster that you are filling your own sails with...

Quote
Concerning prayer~of course it is extremely important~but the length and time and manner proves not one thing, neither does it proves that God hears.
 

Perhaps there is another misconception here...I don't mean so much to say that we need to spend hours in prayer every day, my main contention is that we don't spend enough time in prayer today (for the most part) to gain enough power from God to even keep ourselves from the temptations that we face. Once a person is "prayed up" and full of prayer, he may only have to verbally pray for 15 minutes a day...because he has become so full of the Spirit and so full of the presence of God, like Stephen was, that prayer becomes more of an intimate thing than it does a duty or necessity. Does that make sense?

And you are correct on this other point...just because we pray does not mean God is listening to you. AFter all, there are a number of attitudes and actions that prevent God from listening to people's prayers...

Isaiah 59:2
but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear your voice.

If a person is not striving to walk in obedience to God practically, then God does not listen to their prayers. This is not the only passage that states this fact, but I thought that only one would be needed in order to facilitate the point.

Quote
Talk about prayer, check out the Muslims, the manner and time they pray, and many other false cults.


Absolutely true, I am with you 100% there...

Quote
When we set aside God's word for our own doctrines, (which is what all of those who have a work system does) then pray as much as you desire, God WILL NOT HEAR.  God takes delight in his Son, and those who totally trust HIM for their righteousness....they judge their own righteousness as worthless as DUNG.


Yah...read the passage I quoted again. When you are not practicing righteousness, then you are practicing sin...there is no middle ground. Therefore, you have demonstrated once again that you don't have the firm grip upon understanding the Scriptures like you try to put out that you do.

Quote
Prayer is an ON GOING daily exercise just as Chosenone said, and IT IS INDEED.  Yes, there is a closet prayer, that God desires for all his children, but we are constantly living in a state of prayer and talking with our Father in heaven from sun up, until we fall asleep.  Our talking with our God never ceases, never.


Sooooooo, like I also say to Chosen...what is all this about...

Luke 5:16
But He [Jesus] would withdraw to desolate places and pray.

Luke 6:12
In these days He [Jesus] went out to the mountain to pray, and all night He continued in prayer to God.

The problem with what you and Chosen say here is evident...if just talking to God is counted as prayer, and Jesus was vastly closer to God than any of us put together, then why did Jesus have to take time off specifically to go and pray? While your intentions are great, they fail in practicality.

Jesus taught us not only in word but in example, that we need to take time out and go somewhere alone to be with God for a while. If we cannot even get that simple idea down, then how are we to ever become the church that God wants us to be and put things together so that we can be?

Quote
Try posting without speaking against God's free grace, without which, prayer is useless~ specially for people like you, since you believe that you can do all things through your own power and ability.


You still don't get it, do you, Red. I don't speak against God's grace...and you calling it free every chance you get doesn't help you cause any, either. I speak against the perversion of grace that some here make it out to be...

Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

All those who teach that grace is the all-in-all, that nothing is of us but it is "all of grace" and that we have nothing to do with anything having to do with our relationship with God, pervert the grace of God by taking it out of its God-ordained place and giving it authority where God does not.

As for your last comment, that you *think* I think I do it all on my own...that is just another strawman that you like to use so much. What is my OP about again??? That we don't spend enough time in God's presence through prayer to be able to have the power in our lives that God provides through prayer in order to do anything spiritual???

Once again you show yourself confused. Did you take your vitamins and minerals today?

 ::tippinghat::








98
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by fish153 on Yesterday at 12:05:54 PM »
SM said----

>>>It is false teaching that says we can't walk in obedience to God, even under the old commandments. As I gave Charlie, Paul, Zechariah, and Elizabeth are all said by the Spirit to have walked in perfect obedience before God.<<<

I guess Paul was guilty of false teaching then:

"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”(Galatians 2:21)
99
End Times Forum / Re: Mark of the beast.
« Last post by fish153 on Yesterday at 12:02:27 PM »
Red---

I wasn't saying the two witnesses would have their own TV show. lol.  I meant that they will be covered by
CNN and other news networks, just as Kensington points out. The whole world will behold them.
100
Theology Forum / Re: Why people are in the mess that they are...
« Last post by SwordMaster on Yesterday at 11:53:26 AM »
i was just thinking about the OT Israelites and the Law of Moses. I tend to think that if they had turned their hearts to God, he would have shown much grace to them since pretty much everyone agrees that the Law of Moses was impossible to keep perfectly. Which does seem odd that God would have given them requirements they couldn't possibly keep.


You are right, Jaime...that's because He didn't...

Deuteronomy 30:11-15
 11   "For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
 12   It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
 13   Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?'
 14   But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.
 15   "See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.

It is false teaching that says we can't walk in obedience to God, even under the old commandments. As I gave Charlie, Paul, Zechariah, and Elizabeth are all said by the Spirit to have walked in perfect obedience before God.

Does this mean that they walked in perfect obedience PRACTICALY? No, I don't think so...but God has always covered over slips and falls here and there when we have the mind to do His will, just as this passage appears to indicate...

1 John 2:10
Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling.

That the Spirit says, "in him there is no cause for stumbling," He doesn't mean that they never stumbled, but from God's point of view, God sees them as never stumbling. The actual Greek words that last part like this: "and in him is no behavior which can lead to ruin." We see here our part (walking in obedience to God's command to love on others) and God's response (seeing us as innocent, even if we slip up), which is brought together here...

I John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Blessings!

Pages: 1 ... 8 9 [10]