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General Discussion Forum / Re: Toughest Job
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 04:35:49 PM »
I think its sad that so many wives and mums today leave their children with other people while they go to work. . Kids needs their mums full time in my opinion, especially in the early years.   Memyself try not to worry what society says, its what God says that matters, and God says that women are to care for their husbands and children.
I know that many young couples simply cant afford for one parent to stay at home, and that's sad. My DIL has to go back to work 4 days a week when the baby is a year old. Rents are so terribly expensive here and they cant afford to but their own home because house prices are sky high.   

Oh, my heart breaks for her! That has to be SO hard!  In the brief time I worked, mine were older and it was still SO terrible to have to tell them I was unavailable for the hours I was at my place of employ.

Its hard.  No matter which we choose, (to work or not to work outside the home) it seems there is always a "better" choice in the other one.  ::frustrated::




 I had to do various part time work over the years(not through choice I can assure you, I had quite enough to do), but I made sure that I could either take the children if they were off school, or ill, or that I could work at home.  My son and DIL have found a good nursery, and she does love her job so that helps. I may even offer to have him one day a week, but we don't live that near so couldnt do it more often. 

Yes. I know that not every woman *has* a choice and I am sorry if that use of wording made it seem like I was minimizing the fact that for *some* there is no choice at.all.

I am glad your son and dil feel so good about the child care providers they were able to find! It is SO important to know our babies are loved and safe! 
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Toughest Job
« Last post by Carey on Yesterday at 04:34:45 PM »
Hopefully the crux of it is that you don't want each others' jobs, and are at full potential doing your own, to the best of your ability and feeling fulfilled in so doing.


Absolutely!

But, I do admit to struggling with feelings of guilt over not helping him provide financially for our family.  I worry I am a drain more than I am a blessing.  I worry I am not pulling my weight and that I should be doing more...



 

Women who work often pay for cleaners, nannies, child-minders, ironers, gardeners etc. Your contribution is equally as valuable, its just that you don't get paid for it.


Well if a man is providing her clothes, food, and shelter while she's at it I think that effectively qualifies.


I dunno, kind of sounds like slavery to me.   ::smile::


What's your happy alternative Carey?


Just an observation.

 




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Catholic Forum / Re: Sirach 21:18
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 04:31:13 PM »
Catholica, Protestants do not accept the books in the Catholic Bible that are not also included in their own as authentic. In other words, Protestants do not accept the book of Sirach as the word of God.

This I know. But they are wrong, and it is the word of God, and it is in the Bible. They blaspheme when they say it is not the word of God.

Do you consider the protestant bible the bible? 

Why do you think some books were not accepted?

What makes a book part of the cannon and others not?  I ask in all sincerity to anyone who might know.
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Catholic Forum / Re: Of Robes and Rings and Other Thingsā€¦
« Last post by mclees8 on Yesterday at 04:13:17 PM »

Being born of the spirit and what someone wears while worshipping (which has been the crux of your argument here) are two different things. It's not what is on the outside but what is in a person's heart.


Then do you accept Pastors that wear jeans to preach at Charismatic Churches to come-as-you-are congregations?


Just asking, not challenging.

I have no problem with that at all, but for me attending the Lord's Supper "dressed down" is disrespectful. Our friend Mclees is just railing on the Catholic Church and what happens there in his usual way.



What if you had no work and you lost your home and living homeless lucky if you get bath in week, would you still respected the Lords supper? I am not downing your  feelings about dressing nicer but if you could not? Let me ask How many ragged homeless Catholics do you see at mass. I am not talking about third world countries.
Just curious

This is aside from my issue of the popes.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Toughest Job
« Last post by Cally on Yesterday at 04:06:13 PM »
Hopefully the crux of it is that you don't want each others' jobs, and are at full potential doing your own, to the best of your ability and feeling fulfilled in so doing.


Absolutely!

But, I do admit to struggling with feelings of guilt over not helping him provide financially for our family.  I worry I am a drain more than I am a blessing.  I worry I am not pulling my weight and that I should be doing more...



 

Women who work often pay for cleaners, nannies, child-minders, ironers, gardeners etc. Your contribution is equally as valuable, its just that you don't get paid for it.


Well if a man is providing her clothes, food, and shelter while she's at it I think that effectively qualifies.


I dunno, kind of sounds like slavery to me.   ::smile::


What's your happy alternative Carey?
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Toughest Job
« Last post by chosenone on Yesterday at 04:05:26 PM »
I think its sad that so many wives and mums today leave their children with other people while they go to work. . Kids needs their mums full time in my opinion, especially in the early years.   Memyself try not to worry what society says, its what God says that matters, and God says that women are to care for their husbands and children.
I know that many young couples simply cant afford for one parent to stay at home, and that's sad. My DIL has to go back to work 4 days a week when the baby is a year old. Rents are so terribly expensive here and they cant afford to but their own home because house prices are sky high.   

Oh, my heart breaks for her! That has to be SO hard!  In the brief time I worked, mine were older and it was still SO terrible to have to tell them I was unavailable for the hours I was at my place of employ.

Its hard.  No matter which we choose, (to work or not to work outside the home) it seems there is always a "better" choice in the other one.  ::frustrated::




 I had to do various part time work over the years(not through choice I can assure you, I had quite enough to do), but I made sure that I could either take the children if they were off school, or ill, or that I could work at home.  My son and DIL have found a good nursery, and she does love her job so that helps. I may even offer to have him one day a week, but we don't live that near so couldnt do it more often. 
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Catholic Forum / Re: Sirach 21:18
« Last post by Catholica on Yesterday at 04:00:53 PM »
They are in fact God's words, Helen, AVZ, and chosenone.   The deuterocanon is still the Canon.

Then why not call it canon?

We do. Deuterocanon means "second canon".

From the catechism:

IV. THE CANON OF SCRIPTURE

120 It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.90 This complete list is called the canon of Scripture. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if we count Jeremiah and Lamentations as one) and 27 for the New.91

The Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi.

The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse).

And whats the reason for calling some books "second canon"?

Google is your friend.

I thought it would be good to use the Catholic Encyclopedia instead:

First, it would be obviously unfair to require that the contents of this Sapiential book should come full up to the high moral standards of Christian ethics, or should equal in clearness and precision the dogmatic teachings embodied in the sacred writings of the New Testament or in the living tradition of the Church; all that can be reasonably expected of a book composed some time before the Christian Dispensation, is that it shall set forth substantially good, not perfect, doctrinal and ethical teaching.

So the book of Sirach not necessarily lives up to high moral Christian standards and ethics, and it is also not perfect.
Yet you say it is God's word?

Interesting quote, you had to work pretty hard to lift something that you thought would be controversial, something to attempt to prove your point.

The Wisdom books are written not to precisely outline doctrine or to be a full account of doctrine. They are useful everyday wisdom books which God intended us to have to help us in real life. That's not saying that the book of Sirach is "lesser than" or that we don't consider it the word of God and canonical.

It would have been more useful to read the Encyclopedia's entry on the canon. But that of course showed that the book of Sirach is indeed canonical. And it also gives the answer to the question of why it is called the deuterocanon. Not that you really wanted to know.

But even if the Encyclopedia were to say something that could be construed to suggest that the deuterocanon is equal to, the Encyclopedia is not even an official church document. The best place to go would be to read the dogmas of the council of Trent, which is an infallible dogmatic statement of what the canon of scripture is.

So many people think they know what Catholics believe better than Catholics who actually care about their faith, like me. It's kind of silly, but I think this thread has proven, in its responses, the truth of the Original Post, the verse from Sirach I quoted.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Toughest Job
« Last post by Carey on Yesterday at 03:55:06 PM »
Hopefully the crux of it is that you don't want each others' jobs, and are at full potential doing your own, to the best of your ability and feeling fulfilled in so doing.


Absolutely!

But, I do admit to struggling with feelings of guilt over not helping him provide financially for our family.  I worry I am a drain more than I am a blessing.  I worry I am not pulling my weight and that I should be doing more...



 

Women who work often pay for cleaners, nannies, child-minders, ironers, gardeners etc. Your contribution is equally as valuable, its just that you don't get paid for it.


Well if a man is providing her clothes, food, and shelter while she's at it I think that effectively qualifies.


I dunno, kind of sounds like slavery to me.   ::smile::
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Catholic Forum / Re: Sirach 21:18
« Last post by Catholica on Yesterday at 03:39:30 PM »
Catholica, Protestants do not accept the books in the Catholic Bible that are not also included in their own as authentic. In other words, Protestants do not accept the book of Sirach as the word of God.

This I know. But they are wrong, and it is the word of God, and it is in the Bible. They blaspheme when they say it is not the word of God.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: Toughest Job
« Last post by MeMyself on Yesterday at 03:35:23 PM »
I think its sad that so many wives and mums today leave their children with other people while they go to work. . Kids needs their mums full time in my opinion, especially in the early years.   Memyself try not to worry what society says, its what God says that matters, and God says that women are to care for their husbands and children.
I know that many young couples simply cant afford for one parent to stay at home, and that's sad. My DIL has to go back to work 4 days a week when the baby is a year old. Rents are so terribly expensive here and they cant afford to but their own home because house prices are sky high.   

Oh, my heart breaks for her! That has to be SO hard!  In the brief time I worked, mine were older and it was still SO terrible to have to tell them I was unavailable for the hours I was at my place of employ.

Its hard.  No matter which we choose, (to work or not to work outside the home) it seems there is always a "better" choice in the other one.  ::frustrated::

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