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Another big email dump set to be released possibly tonight or tomorrow. They're saying this dump will include Clinton Foundation emails. Let's hope so.

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We have a brilliant female leader now in the uk,Teresa May,


I wouldn't call her brilliant at all - more like dumb. If you people in the UK think Sharia courts are a good thing, then there's no hope left for you.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/28/teresa-may-sharia-courts-benefit-muslims-britain/


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The thought of either of them getting into power horrifies me.


Instead of being horrified about what we do, you should be horrified about your new leader thinking Sharia courts in your own land is a good thing. Seriously, I don't know how you can criticize us when your mess is bigger. We're trying to get control of the situation in our own country before we get to Sharia law - not after. Mercy.

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Trump is deeply unpopular here.

I can see why. He's not into Sharia law like your brilliant leader. Thank God in heaven!
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IF only they had a strong godly candidate to oppose her.  ::shrug::

A strong godly candidate like yours who is accepting of Sharia law? No thanks. Really, chosen, you need to spend more time being horrified of what's going on in the UK - not what's going on across the pond. We do not want Sharia law courts established in our country. Not now. Not ever.
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Theology Forum / Re: John 3 revisited Our Spiritual Births
« Last post by Truthcomber on Today at 05:52:53 AM »
Hi All,

I really didn’t want to get into all of this.  People believe what they want to believe and that’s that.  The end result is usually the same because preconceived notions rarely die--and all that anguish.

But anyway.

Red wrote …” You started out by saying that "water" in John 3:5 was not water baptism, but means the soul of Christ, a position totally unheard of ever in the church until I heard it from you. I have read from many church so-called fathers, and none of them ever addressed such a belief, ever”.

Answer:  You didn’t believe that water in John 3:5 referred to water baptism either.  This is what you wrote:

Reply #3 on: July 10, 2016, 03:26:30 AM »

Jesus omitted water when describing, or explaining the new birth....WHY? Simple..... water in verse five is referring to the our first birth into this world...the sack of water breaks, and one is then born into this world

Red wrote; but means the soul of Christ, a position totally unheard of ever in the church until I heard it from you. I have read from many church so-called fathers, and none of them ever addressed such a belief, ever”.

Answer: I don’t care if you read a trillion articles and books. 

Phil 2:12  Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Here’s What I wrote:

John 3:3…Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (soul) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Comment:  Emphasis in parenthesis is mine.  “Born of the water” is not speaking here of water baptism but of being born of the soul of Christ.  Soul can be body, spirit of the body, or both.  Born of the Spirit refers to the Holy Spirit.
   
« My Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 03:54:52 AM »


Water Baptism is only symbolic of the reality and shows one's commitment to accepting Christ sacrifice and applying it to our lives  Some denominations even claim that it is not necessary.  I believe that it shows our commitment.  The underlying reality is that we die with Christ's death and are resurrected with him to his new life—his human life.  Water baptism seems to be more of a NT phenomenon.  The prophets were anointed with oil (symbolic of the Holy Spirit).  Water seems to symbolize the soul spirit of Christ (Ezk 11:19, 36:26).
 
Comment:  You cannot be born again of water baptism.  You can be born again of spirit (here soul).  Water baptism is only the ritual of one’s commitment, not the underlying reality.  I will quote the scripture

Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezk 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Comment: Whose “heart of flesh” or spirit is the Lord talking about here?  Whose “one heart" is the Lord speaking about?  “Heart” is not the holy spirit here, because both of them are mentioned separately in the same breath.

Red wrote: But, I will give you and any man a fair hearing regardless what the fathers of the past taught and fought against,

Comment: I feel I have presented an abundance of scripture evidence that do not contradict each other.  Do I get to appeal my case if I am found  guilty as charged by You?
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Media bias
« Last post by RB on Today at 05:47:01 AM »
The three news stations in my area are so slanted to the left that after Trumps speech and the end of the RNC, they never covered it at all, not a mention from ABC, CBS or NBC... Now that the Demonic convention has started, its all they are covering... They aren't even trying to be fair.
Birds of a feather flock together. Those who hate, loves haters. Those who are liars, love liars. Those who are deceitful love deceivers. Those who hate God loves those that do. Those who hate God's children, loves others who hate them. Liberals love liberals. They love those who are willing to push their their own agenda, and hate all others who have anything to say, that may expose them for what they are worth, which is not much. Even Fox is not as hard on liberals as they should be, because even they are liberal in God's sight and according to his standard. Fox would mock sin and all sincere God fearing people, if given a chance. DO not be deceived to believe otherwise.  Bill O' on Fox has an ego just as large as Donald Trump. Even though I'm force to vote for Trump, he's far from what I desire, but what I desire is impossible in this world where sin reigns and righteousness is truly mocked.   
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Christian Politics Forum / Re: Media bias
« Last post by Rella on Today at 05:45:29 AM »
  The three news stations in my area are so slanted to the left that after Trumps speech and the end of the RNC, they never covered it at all, not a mention from ABC, CBS or NBC... Now that the Demonic convention has started, its all they are covering... They aren't even trying to be fair.

That is the news for you, and very common.

One reason I rarely watch any local other then for the weather at 6AM.

Fox used to be the beacon in the storm as it were.. but now with scummy Roger Ailes out... they are
fairly well going to move to the left .. by their own admission cause they are losing the conservative viewers.... WE ARE TOO OLD for the most part and they want to court the younger viewers who have the morals of an alley cat.

The next couple of years will tell a tale of where things will be... but in the
meantime...

You are so correct in that the local news is very biased....very biased
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As for abortions, do you honestly think that anything will change if trump gets in? 

 The thought of either of them getting into power horrifies me. Trump is deeply unpopular here. IF only they had a strong godly candidate to oppose her.  ::shrug::

As to the abortion issue.... IF WE DO NOT GET CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE ON OUR SUPREME COURT there is NO hope.  It would not be immediate but there would be hope.

IF TRUMP DOES NOT GET ELECTED  then all hope will be lost because by the time... and it won't be in my lifetime or yours... there would be a Supreme Court to tighten the reins, there will be far worse things
permitted to take place.

I DO NOT CARE what your country thinks about Trump. You don't like him... fine. There are people of yours that we don't like either, and that's the truth.

BUT he is the only possible hope running that could do the more conservative things.

And he is a new Christian... according to some folks from the Evangelical meeting he spoke at....
and as such.... YOU SHOULD give him the benefit of the doubt.

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God and Jesus do not approve of bashing the original Christian church.
They, nor the EOC were the "original Christian church"~based upon their overall doctrine, and manner of worship. If the apostles were here today, they would in one accord reject and would be rejected by the many churches in Mystery Babylon. Most professors do not even come close to the one hundred and twenty that for the most part made up the disciples that were left by Jesus in Jerusalem....... in doctrine, and especially in their form of worship. This includes Hobie's SDA, who are still in the OT with the Jews who killed Jesus Christ.  They need to come over into the NT and enjoy the liberty of the children of God who worship God in spirit and in truth. God is only please with such worshipers.
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Christian Politics Forum / Media bias
« Last post by psalmgirl on Today at 05:17:41 AM »
  The three news stations in my area are so slanted to the left that after Trumps speech and the end of the RNC, they never covered it at all, not a mention from ABC, CBS or NBC... Now that the Demonic convention has started, its all they are covering... They aren't even trying to be fair.
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Theology Forum / Re: The epistle of Paul to the Galatians.
« Last post by RB on Today at 03:45:04 AM »
Red, all that you have proven is that you are uneducated in the Scriptures, that you don't care about learning how to correctly read and interpret the Scriptures, and that you don't have common sense as far as the Scriptures and interpretation goes.
I'm only going to say one or two things, lest the moderators shut this thread down, which you always seem to be the lead man that causes that to be done with all of your personal attacks. I prefer staying with dealing only with the scriptures, but you are the "ProvokeMaster" in getting away from dealing with the scriptures only when you have nothing really more to contribute in a way of rebuttal, but your personal and belittling remarks.

Now, how can you look into my heart and then tell me:
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You don't care about learning how to correctly read and interpret the Scriptures
You say that based upon what? That we disagree with you? And because I exalt grace above works in one's salvation from sin and condemantion? You come back with such statements as:
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that you don't have common sense as far as the Scriptures and interpretation goes.
Anyone who disagree with you sir, lacks common sense and the ability to even read, and certainly void of any true interpretation. You constantly make such statements toward all, even if you cannot prove their position wrong~ which with me, you very seldom even try to do so anymore, you only shout out personal attacks, and the reason why you have withdrawn from debating scriptures with me is that you cannot refute truth presented to you. Go back to your last twenty to thirty post to me and see how many you actually engage in trying to prove me wrong, not very many, if any.
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Biblical archeology and Biblical theologians have demonstrated over the past 100 years that having knowledge of historical information that the Bible does not give us, illuminates the meaning and background of the Scriptures. But...go ahead and keep glorying in your uneducated self, Red...but keep in mind that you are breaking your own self-imposed rule of not glorying in anything in the presence of God...
I have one or two things to say concerning these words. All  Preterist's and Historical interpreters of eschatology MUST use the same approach in trying to convince their blinded followers of the same, since much of their foundational  doctrinal teaching is outside of the scriptures concerning end time...The book of Josephus, on the history of the Jews, (who himself was a pagan Jewish historian) is their bible as a source for truth; just as your ANE covenant theology, is your "bible" as the true source of your overall understanding of grace verses works, and NOT Paul's Gospel as taught in Galatians 2:16-5:4.

I firmly believe that the word of God is a self contain source of/for ALL TRUTHS, for God's children, and that we DO NOT need to step outside of the scriptures to better understand them, or better yet~to find added truth that the scriptures does not contain, or to give more light of truth with the scriptures....the Spirit of God does that for us, through prayer and humility.  It goes without saying that certain things may aid us, such as knowing the meaning of words, and knowing certain laws of hermeneutics, etc.~BUT all truths are hidden in the scriptures for God's elect, hidden from those who think that they are wise, and others who are (in their eyes).......much less than what "they" are and posses.  BTW, who are the bible theologians you are speaking of? Care to name them? You can follow them, if you like, but as for me and my house, we will follow God's word.
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2nd timothy 2:15-17~"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
With the word of God, every child of God has ALL he needs to be perfectly fitted, and THOROUGHLY FURNISHED for understanding any and all truth, and to fight any and all spiritual battles, come what may. You lose, not me, by not believing this wonderful truth. 
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Acts 20:7

Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.


Looks to me our church services are waaaaaaay to short.
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