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Whoever (which means no matter who) abides in love, abides in God. I am making the  point that God is in all men. Truth and love are not chemicals in the brain. If this were so, we could just mix up some truth serum and love potion and make the world a better place. Truth and love come from God. We all know it when we lie. The mafia guy still loves his son. We may not acknowledge God, but that does not mean He is not there.

bel, I think that the love you speak about is not the same as that what scriptures says it is when spoken in connection to the Christian, and most especially to God. Consider the following passage and see if it speaks of the mafia guy (unbeliever).

1 John 4:7-8
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
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Theology Forum / Re: the difference between the soul and spirit
« Last post by bemark on Yesterday at 02:42:04 AM »
It is a excellent study by the way RB. I know we are lacking in our understanding of spirit and word and I wounder why God just doesn't come down and reveal himself as almighty. The truth  is we would all fry even those who know him. He is power and we really don't know him at all
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Theology Forum / Re: Matthew 12:40
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 02:41:57 AM »
Part of his problem is that he only goes by what Scripture says, he doesn't care to learn about the cultural or historical aspects behind and saturating the Scriptures. His other problems are...well...I can't say here...
And that's a problem? Then I'll live with that problem as you call it. Puts me into a very good and select company....(Matthew 4:4) You can keep leaning unto your own earthly understanding and see where that takes you. Now would you like to address these points: replies #'s 73, 74 and especially 77 where you name is mentioned?
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Theology Forum / Re: the difference between the soul and spirit
« Last post by bemark on Yesterday at 02:34:49 AM »
As i was reading this and about that the spirit is the driving force , the energy so to speak I was thinking about how we are told to build ourselves up in the Holy Ghost Jude 20-25King James Version (KJV)
Very good connecting point!
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Thanks RB as i will reread it a few times and suck the marrow out of it
Good for you, that's one main  way of learning, because it is so difficult to get the lesson first time around because of the slowness of our hearts to understand truth...lies are much easier to follow.
So true RB so true. That's why it's good to sharpen sword against sword and not cut of a ear. Who was that than done that anyway. I will have to look it up.lol
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However, I do believe that God is in all men.

bel, I agree with what RB told you in reply #261.

What is in all men is some knowledge of God, not God, not His Spirit. Read Rom.1:18-20.
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Devotionals / Re: Gen 10:2
« Last post by clark thompson on Yesterday at 02:31:05 AM »
Genesis 10:10
KJV 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
KJ2000 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

These are my thoughts.
Babel was the first kingdom that the world had, it was built on man’s pride.
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Theology Forum / Re: the difference between the soul and spirit
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 02:24:51 AM »
As i was reading this and about that the spirit is the driving force , the energy so to speak I was thinking about how we are told to build ourselves up in the Holy Ghost Jude 20-25King James Version (KJV)
Very good connecting point!
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Thanks RB as i will reread it a few times and suck the marrow out of it
Good for you, that's one main  way of learning, because it is so difficult to get the lesson first time around because of the slowness of our hearts to understand truth...lies are much easier to follow.
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.....Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil did not make Adam "like God" in any way, shape or form. The only thing he became was a sinner, just like the serpent who disobeys God....

bel, Adam's disobedience to God made him a sinner.  Now, this is what scriptures says in connection to Adam's eating of of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Gen. 3: 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings. 8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”

Gen. 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—
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Theology Forum / Re: The baptism in Mt.28:19
« Last post by Michael2012 on Yesterday at 01:57:34 AM »
Michael said...

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And I am seeking the truth written in scriptures. That is why I read and study what is written in scriptures. And I learned in scriptures, that understanding comes from God. And so, I do not cease to pray and to ask that we may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding.

I understand that, and that is what we all do.

Yet what you fail to want to understand, is that the above is not enough.

Here is your evidence...Red looks at a passage and gives his interpretation, claiming the very same thing that you do above...
AVZ looks at a passage and gives his interpretation, claiming the very same thing that you do above...
CG looks at a passage and gives his interpretation, claiming the very same thing that you do above...
I look at a passage and give you my interpretation...

Yet we all come up with DIFFERENT interpretations of what one passage. There...your ideology is shot to pieces. If doing what you claim is the ONLY thing that we need to do, then we should ALL be coming to the EXACT SAME INTERPRETATION of that one passage.

The fact is, what you claim is not enough, it was enough for the readers of the Scriptures to whom they were written because they lived in the day and culture in which those Scriptures were written...AND YOU DO NOT. You have no historical background into the Scriptures because you didn't live there in that day. There are passages which REQUIRE historical understanding in order for you to be ABLE to interpret them accurately.

But since you reject that sound conclusion, there are passages that you will never be able to correctly interpret.

I'd say that while what you say of the necessity that the study of the things you did, like ANE covenants, the complete hermeneutics, history, etc.., in order to come up with an accurate understanding of scriptures, sounds wise, it is all but in the level of the human understanding. So that, indeed, when one with such excellent knowledge of such speaks with man, that is, the natural man, he is considered wise and is credible and understood by them. But all that they find to be wisdom in them is but on the level of human wisdom, for it is what they are able to understand, yet not the spiritual things of God, for he can not know them.

I don't know what it is about you. But for me. God is more than enough. I may not now understand certain passages, but not because of my lack of the knowledge of ANE covenants, hermeneutics, or what have you. I believe in the wisdom of God, that He will give me guidance and open my understanding to comprehend such passages, when He pleases, according to His will, in His perfect time, and good purpose, with or without the aid of the science of Hermeneutics nor of any man.

Yes, we all claim certain things, as do I, you, RB, AVZ, Jaime, 4WD, bel,...and have different interpretations. Why? There certainly are a lot to take into account as to why we differ. But, what I really put my eyes upon is not mainly on our difference of interpretation, but in whom one rely upon for understanding scriptures, and give the glory to. I believe that, those who rely upon for understanding scriptures in God, may have different interpretations now, will be the ones who will find themselves one in understanding someday.
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Christian Men Sexual Topics / Re: "besetting" sin
« Last post by Dave_UK on Yesterday at 01:28:27 AM »
Basically I think there is in me, a deep unsatisfied need (that I can suppress!) to hug and be hugged by another human being - preferably of my own gender (I think I know how we fellow bods "tick"!)  I just don't know why, but maybe it's the absence of a "father-figure" in my earlier life!
Well to one man to another, that's Unnatural and against nature! I find it repulsive, to be honest. I too was raised without a father since he died when I was very young~still have no desire to be hug by another male, do not even like touching them other than a friendly handshake, no more than that though.
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Am I "switched on" by pictures of unclothed ladies? - not really!
Now, I cannot relate to that either. God created nothing (well not much) in this world more beautiful than a unclothed beautiful female body.  Maybe I'm a little strange to some, but I do not think so..King David, I'm sure could easily relate to me. Once he saw Bathsheba bathing, he lost the power to not touch her.

On your second point! King David seems according to the story, to have been in a self-pleasing indolent state of mind at the time - i.e. not "on duty" (a bit of AWOL) and not exercising the censor/sentinel of the "eye-gate" - a failing of so many of us at times!  in any case it all depends on one's "point of view" and to a large extent on one's age  - after one's prime, the human body gradually becomes more decrepit and not exactly alluring.  I can remember a slight feeling of dislike at noticing the scrawny appearance of an elderly neighbour's hand and arm (almost skeletal) - when I was in my 40s - now in my 80s my own flesh is wrinkly and baggy as underlying tissue and muscle "tone" has been "lost" - definitely not alluring to anyone! What a mercy it is, that the Lord is more concerned with our "heart attitude" than to any outward appearance! "Man looks upon the outward appearance - but the Lord looks upon the heart!"

P.S.  "Dieters" trying to get "trim", from a former "well-padded" state, need to be aware that the skin loses much of it's "elasticity" as one gets older. When the target weight has been reached - with loss of underlying tissue etc - the end result is an unsightly empty fold of wrinkly flesh - Oh Horror! ::eek::
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