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News from Around the World / Fox News Host Brenda Buttner Dies at 55
« Last post by Victor08 on Yesterday at 12:57:12 AM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/fox-news-host-brenda-buttner-dies-at-55/ar-AAn9fTm
Variety Staff
9 hrs ago

Brenda Buttner, a senior business correspondent and host of “Bulls & Bears” on Fox News, has died of cancer. She was 55.

Her Fox News colleague Neil Cavuto made the announcement in an emotional tribute on his program Monday.

“Brenda was among the very first to put a kind female face to this once-staid old male batch of the business,” Cavuto said. “She took stock of life more than stock in life.”
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General Discussion Forum / Re: 66.6 beast
« Last post by The Barbarian on Yesterday at 12:23:10 AM »
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Numbers have no power over Gods children.

None other than we impute to them.    Which is perhaps what justbyfaith is telling us.   
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Theology Forum / What is death?
« Last post by Michael2012 on February 20, 2017, 09:26:54 PM »
Hi to all,

What is death?

I invite every one to share their thoughts about this, in the context of the Bible.

This is because, understanding what death is would lead us to the better understanding of a lot of things about the salvation of man.

Thank you.
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We have been through this so many times.  Death is used in at least three different ways.  The first is physical death, the death of the physical body.  The second is spiritual death. It s the state of corruption of the spirit of man once he has committed sin. Unless corrected through being in Christ it leads to the third death.   The third death is eternal death. It is the eternal separation of the spirit from God following the final judgment, i.e., hell.  In order to make sense of any of the Scriptures speaking about death, it is necessary to understand which death is in view.

Relative to Romans 5:12, it is spiritual death which ENTERED due to Adam. Physical death entered the world with the creation.  There is no such thing as physical immortality.  Not even the Universe was created to exist forever.

As far as your seeing no exception to the "all" that have sinned, certainly Jesus was a man who did not sin,  and exception.  And if you understand what is sin you will understand why, by definition,  those incapable of understanding the law and the consequences of disobeying the law have not sinned.  And once you rid yourself to the concept of the false doctrine of original sin that will become even more apparent.

Let's take a look then if the death mentioned in Rom. 5:12 is what you say as spiritual death and not physical death.

Rom. 5:12-14
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

You said "Relative to Romans 5:12, it is spiritual death...". That makes it saying that spiritual death passed upon all men. Still that does not except anyone. That would include then babes, little children, and mentally deficient men. That makes all men spiritually dead. Now, you said spiritual death is the state of corruption of the spirit of man once he has committed sin. Yet, the verse says "death passed upon all men".     

Some might argue that the last part "for that all have sinned", which is the reason why "death passed upon all men", tells us that death, which in your take is spiritual death, is only passed to those who have sinned. By itself, the phrase "for that all have sinned" is clear, and without exception. Nonetheless, granting for the sake of argument, that only those who have sinned are spiritually dead, we move on to what it makes of v.13 & 14. In v. 13, Paul laid the fact that sin is not imputed when there is no law. So, when there is no law, sin is not imputed to any man, which makes him not spiritually dead, but spiritually alive ~ with an uncorrupted spirit as opposite to your take of spiritual death. Considering the men who lived in the period from Adam to Moses, when there was no law yet given, they would not then be spiritually dead, for sin is not imputed when there is no law. The question is, were they not spiritually dead?  Evidently they were, which then contradicts your position that "spiritual death is the state of corruption of the spirit of man once he has committed sin". Now, Paul also laid out the fact that sin was in the world, even until the law was given, the period being from Adam to Moses, which all the more makes such take that death is spiritual death to be wrong, as it will render the phrase "sin is not imputed when there is no law" as false.

In v.14, Paul speaks of death as to reign. The word "Nevertheless" has significance here in connection to death's reign. It connects what is said in v.14 to what was said in v.13. That despite the fact that sin is not imputed when there is no law, death reigned over men, even at the time from Adam to Moses, when no law was yet given. The relative point in this then is that spiritual death exist and has dominion over those who lived at the time of Adam to Moses. Now, the verse goes on to say "even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". That clearly contradicts your position that "spiritual death is the state of corruption of the spirit of man once he has committed sin". 

This clearly mess up what Paul was saying in the passage. It would not make much sense.

None of that really matters.  Because verses 18 &19 says that whatever you thought came to mankind due to the one transgression of Adam, it was negated completely by the one act of obedience of Jesus.  Original sin whatever you think of it is simply not true; it is false.

Apparently, there is no counter explanation in defense of your position that the death spoken of in Rom. 5:12 refer to spiritual death.

Perhaps, you have a point in saying that the issue at hand does not really matter because of Christ. But why say that now, when you have, in a great extent, discussed your thoughts on it? Perhaps because, such matter really does matter. Afterall, this is scriptures ~ God's words, which affects the very mind, heart, and soul of man which relates to his Creator.
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Hi Michael and All,

I will attempt to answer your questions above partially right now.

First, one qualification of the statement I made, namely:

“Comment: Since we have death in our body continuously, it is spiritual death that occurs in our souls when we sin.

I think a better statement would have been:

Since we have death in our body continuously, it is our relationship to God that takes a hit but we do not die completely and all at once unless over time we turn our

backs on God

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Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
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1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Comment: We are imputed to have never sinned when we accept the sacrifice of Christ.  But we do, and the sacrifice of Christ covers our sins as if we hadn’t.  It is only when we turn from God completely without the intention to grow spiritually that we can die completely spiritually.

2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is (G102:  if it is) impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame
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Rev 3: 1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead (spiritually). 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. he sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Comment: At this point one has to start all over again--if he can.

Rev 2:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Comment: Christ's sacrifice covers us immediately as if we had never sinned.   

Matt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world (age) neither in the world (age) to come.

Comment: Not in the present age or the millennium will these be forgiven.  But there is the period after that.   

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Rev 20:14 And death and hell (place where the dead go) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and Godhimself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither.

1 Cor 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.  15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delive

red up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemiesundhisfeet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed (G2673: second death) is death.

Truthcomber,

Thanks for attempting to answer my questions. But, I'm sad to say, I fail to see them addressed.  So, please be kind and patient enough to go over them again. I suggest that citing the question and putting your answer right below it would be in order. For, the way it is, it is very difficult for me to get your answer to each question. I'm sure, others here as well are at a lost. And I would not want to be guessing.

Thank you.   
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Theology Forum / Re: Understanding which Law was Nail To The Cross and Which Law Is Not!
« Last post by 4WD on February 20, 2017, 08:29:32 PM »

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by 4WD:  Romans 5: says it is not!

Please explain how you think Romans 5: denies the doctrine of original sin.

Read what it actually says; not what you think you want it to say.  Particulary vvs 18&19.
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Videos, Forwards, Jokes and Games / Re: Do Dogs go to Heaven?
« Last post by Alan on February 20, 2017, 08:27:15 PM »
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Theology Forum / Re: Understanding which Law was Nail To The Cross and Which Law Is Not!
« Last post by 4WD on February 20, 2017, 08:26:33 PM »
Hi All,

Comment: So the wages of sin is death (second death).  We cannot be subject to death after we are subject to death.  We can only be subject to the death of death which is the second death, because Christ is a consuming fire of all sin and death.

The wages of sin [our sin not Adam's] is spiritual death.  If we are not born again and continue in spiritual death until physical death, then we die the second death and from that there is no return [that I have ever come across in the Scriptures]
When was your spirit born?
Zec 12:1  The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,
Ecc 12:6  Remember Him before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed;
Ecc 12:7  then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. 


Some time before birth, perhaps at conception, perhaps when the heart begins to beat and the [life]blood begins to flow.
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General Discussion Forum / Re: 66.6 beast
« Last post by justbyfaith on February 20, 2017, 08:23:18 PM »
Modified Reply #12 (on page 1) to include the scriptures typed out--now not only referenced.
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News from Around the World / Re: Trump refers to non-existent Sweden terror incident
« Last post by Alan on February 20, 2017, 08:17:18 PM »
The OP wasn't really addressed here. I truly feel bad for President Trump when he makes errors like this, although it was likely just a mistake the world seems to take notice and sharply rebuke him for these remarks. He needs to be sure of things before he speaks them out, after all he himself is the biggest opponent of fake news.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/20/adam-kinzinger-donald-trump-sweden-comment-embarra/
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