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Theology Forum / Re: SALVATION?
« Last post by larry2 on Yesterday at 16:22:52 »
Let me try it this way. Are there those among us that believe the following scripture is not contrasting believers with nonbelievers?
Joh 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth (The Holy Spirit); whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. With this in mind, to me it is saying that an unbeliever cannot receive the Holy Ghost.

OK, next verse. Act 10:43  (Peter said) To him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him (Jesus) shall receive remission of sins. (What? no water baptism to receive remission of sins?)Act 10:44  While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (To have the Holy Ghost fall on them, don’t they have to be saved at this point?)Act 10:45  And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Exactly what is this great gift?)

Does the gift of God have to do with Living Water we read of in Jn 4:10.
How about Eternal Life in Rom 6:23?

And then we read in 2Ti 1:6  Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands; We can even receive the GOD of PEACE.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Last for this post is the question: Act 10:47  Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (If baptism is necessary for salvation, how could those Gentiles have received the Holy Ghost before they completed their salvation with water baptism?)

Catholic Forum / Re: About Mass ?
« Last post by Alan on Yesterday at 16:00:45 »
The goal is a mindset, not a workload or a challenge.
Catholic Forum / Re: About Mass ?
« Last post by KiwiChristian on Yesterday at 15:53:26 »

If a person believes they are doing all they can to achieve everlasting life in the Kingdom of Heaven, then their goal is being achieved, but at the end of the day none of us truly know for certain.

THEIR goal? maybe. But God says our works are as filthy rags.

And yes, we CAN know for CERTAIN whether we are heading to heaven or hell.

II Timothy 1 12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

I John 5 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The keys words are that “ye may know that ye have eternal life”

1 John 5: 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life,and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

There Are THREE grounds for your assurance:

• The Person of GOD

–   Titus 1: 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; GOD CANNOT LIE – That settles that!

• The Promises of GOD

–   John 5: 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
–   John 6: 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
–   Romans 10: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

• The Presence of GOD

–   Romans 5: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. God gives us His HOLY GHOST who dwells in our hearts.
–   Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

The Spirit of God bears witness with our spirit (thru the Word of God) that we are in fact God’s children.

God’s witness of Jesus Christ has always been given in scripture which leads is substantiated in:

I John 5: 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Catholic Forum / Re: About Mass ?
« Last post by KiwiChristian on Yesterday at 15:48:50 »

Can you put that verse in context to show what is being described in "Ï have written these things..."

Anyhow, yes I do believe that God wants us to be secure but at the same time I don't give merit to one denomination over another that have or have not secured their salvation.  ALL devout Christians believe they are on the correct path.

True. But, Christianity isn't a denomination or religion.

the "church" is an organism, not an organisation.

The true church isn't catholic or protestant. It doesn't have a mailing address or a zip code. It is the body of believers in Jesus Christ the world over. Christ has written their names in the book of life. Christ knows who His friends are.
Theology Forum / Re: SALVATION?
« Last post by Kenneth Sublett on Yesterday at 15:39:35 »
RB you dishonor the Holy Spirit OF God by refusing or not being able to read Romans 10.
Calling on the NAME of the Lord is the FINAL STEP which is DONE by obeying the direct command of Jesus by being baptized because BAPTISM SAVES YOU as the ONLY way to ask for A holy spirit WASHED in Water where the blood is sprinkled.

If you quote just one of the CYCLES of Paul you are not interested in the WORD which is GOD being made know by the prophecy, example and direct command of Jesus.

SALVATION is the GIFT and FAITH is not a GIFT unless you use the WORD as the FREE RESOURCE. 

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVETH; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

You REJECT the Blood of Christ when you deny the ATONEMENT as in Calvinism.

Heb. 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Theology Forum / Re: SALVATION?
« Last post by Kenneth Sublett on Yesterday at 15:33:34 »
3. Reason number three~Faith is not even a means of being born of God but is the ONLY an evidence of one born of God's Spirit. Faith and all other gifts of the Spirit are fruits of the indwelling Spirit of God. God has chosen the system of faith to bring his elect to the knowledge of the truth, the VERY SAME system that our father Abraham lived under, which is so clear if one truly understands Romans four and Galatians 2:16-Galatians 5:4, and even the scriptures just quoted above from Romans 3. The whole book of John's gospel was given to us to teach this very lesson, that Faith is the evidence of being born of God.

RB you are not interested in CONTEXT:

Rom. 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So, you get faith before God as WORD defined the CHRISTIAN SYSTEM?

Heb. 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them:
      but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture?
        Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

But this is how God defines justification by FAITH asopposed to BY LAW

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Gen 26:5 Because
      that Abraham obeyed my voice,
      and kept my charge,
      my commandments,
      my statutes,
      and my laws.

Gen 26:6 And Isaac dwelt in Gerar: [obeyed God's commandment]

Theology Forum / Re: SALVATION?
« Last post by RB on Yesterday at 15:31:04 »
Quote from: Ginger Rella=Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 08:54:03
Which backs up what Peter said in Acts 2:38

and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Neither of these men was talking about salvation, being saved, eternal life in God's kingdom, when they mentioned about baptism.... THAT was regarding the Holy Spirit.
Not really, and I say this in all respect for you in seeking the truth, which I trust you will come unto the knowledge of. I want to come back to this in morning God willing and consider this section in depth and in its context which will drive the interpretation for us. Context is KING. May the Lord be with your spirit in all sincerity. RB
Theology Forum / Re: SALVATION?
« Last post by Jaime on Yesterday at 15:29:16 »
Memyself, Not to belabor the discussion..... rofl, some would argue that the 3000 were saved BEFORE they repented and were baptized. I would ask how one is saved prior to their sins being remitted and receiving the indwelling gift of the Spirit?
Theology Forum / Re: SALVATION?
« Last post by fish153 on Yesterday at 15:27:39 »
Please forgive me.  I am so saddened by the picture in this link, but feel I must share it.  It is of a child who has wandered deeply
into sin and we need desperately to pray for him.  Please take a moment and do so will you?

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