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Theology Forum / Re: Limited Atonement?
« Last post by justbyfaith on Yesterday at 11:09:40 PM »
I find it hilarious how SwordMasher (in Reply #248) callls someone twisted and biased in one sentence and in the next pronounces Blessings on everyone!

Seems like a double heart to me.

Blessings!
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Theology Forum / Re: Irresistible Grace leads to Limited Atonement.
« Last post by Thaddaeus on Yesterday at 10:58:57 PM »
Justbyfaith,

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I'll give you its topical context...1 John 4:8,16.

God is love, (1 John 4:8,16) and Love never fails.  (1 Corinthians 13:8a)

If God fails to bring to heaven anyone that He has loved, then these verses are not scriptural truth, but lies from the pit of hell.

Take your pick.
First they are not eqivalent verses.

Secondly, your understanding of them is NOT scriptural.  God is not an enforcer as is obvious in Calvinistic theology.  God's love is not irresistable. We are free to accept or reject His love. It is why limited atonement is also false.  As many times as it has been shown  to you and the obvious opposite that scripture describes you still cling to false concepts and ideas.
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justbyfaith,

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It is more tht they are holy and without blame than sinless.

The element of sin resides within each one of us until we get to heaven, but it does not have to have any kind of say in what we do.  When we crucify the flesh (Galatians 5:24), sin is made dead (Romans 7:8).  We also become dead to sin (Romans 6:11, 8:10).

Take the worst alcoholic who ever lived, and ater he has died, put the best wine in the Universe in front of him, and he will not even be tempted...

Why?  Because he is dead!  Romans 6:7 tells us, For he that is dead is freed from sin.
I think you live in a dream world.  The texts are describing what our lives should look like but rarely do. But what does this have to do with the OP again?
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Theology Forum / Re: Can a Christian lose salvation?
« Last post by justbyfaith on Yesterday at 09:23:55 PM »
3 Resurrections---

Escellent post also--  +1
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It is more tht they are holy and without blame than sinless.

The element of sin resides within each one of us until we get to heaven, but it does not have to have any kind of say in what we do.  When we crucify the flesh (Galatians 5:24), sin is made dead (Romans 7:8).  We also become dead to sin (Romans 6:11, 8:10).

Take the worst alcoholic who ever lived, and ater he has died, put the best wine in the Universe in front of him, and he will not even be tempted...

Why?  Because he is dead!  Romans 6:7 tells us, For he that is dead is freed from sin.
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Theology Forum / Re: Can a Christian lose salvation?
« Last post by 3 Resurrections on Yesterday at 09:10:11 PM »
Swordmaster  -  Giving some consideration to your #114 comment....

You pulled up two passages to prove your position; namely Luke 20:34-35 and Philippians 3:8-11, both of which use the word "attain" (or "obtain") with regard to the resurrection from among the dead.  I'm not the Greek language pro, but a look into the use of ATTAIN (katantao) means "to come opposite to, to reach, to arrive at" (in process of time).  Nowhere does it give the implication of earning the right to something, as in working hard enough to merit an award.  It has more of the idea of a time clock ticking down until its alarm goes off.

The definition of "arriving at" a certain point in the process of time fits quite well in both passages you brought up.  The context in the Luke 20:34-35 verses about the woman married to 7 brothers is talking about TWO AGES - "this age" (the Old Covenant age) and "that age" (the New Covenant age).  The New Covenant age would have a physical resurrection from among the dead attached to it, according to Christ.  Those who were accounted worthy in "this age" of the Old Covenant would arrive at the resurrection from the dead in "that age" of the New Covenant that followed.  We cannot presume from the context that they are esteemed worthy because of something THEY HAVE DONE.  It could just as well be that they are esteemed worthy because of something that was done TO THEM or FOR THEM (as in Jesus imputing righteousness on their behalf).

The same definition of "attaining", or arriving in the process of time applies to Paul's statement in Philippians 3:11 (Interlinear), "...If by any means I may arrive at the resurrection of the dead."   Paul was hoping to be conformed to Christ's death (to become physically dead himself), so that he could know and experience the power of that resurrection of the New Covenant age when it happened.  He was, (martyred in AD 67), and he did, ( become resurrected at Pentecost in AD 70 to be exact).

I find it rather odd that you are pulling up Paul's Philippians 3:8-11 passage to prove your position when Paul is most emphatically stressing that he places absolutely "no confidence in the flesh" (Phil. 3:3).  His entire biographical list of credentials and achievements he slaps with a derisive label - calling it all "dung" (v.8) -  "Not having mine own righteousness", but that of Christ's imputed to him by faith (v.9).   After Paul uses all this humbling language denigrating his personal accomplishments, it would be contrary to the entire context for him to do a complete 180 degree turnaround in the very next verses by talking about what he had done to earn the resurrection to eternal life.  That wouldn't match the context at all.

It's possible to discuss differences in word definitions all day long and never come to an agreement, I suppose.  I believe that is why Jesus tended to use stories, types, and metaphors to illustrate many of the points He was making.  A picture is worth a thousand words, and does not change when translated into any language. This is why I initially brought up the John 4:14 illustration He gave to the Samaritan woman.   The fountain of living water implanted within each one who drinks of Christ, the origin of living water, is a picture with a potent message that needs no lengthy discussion to understand it.  A child of God cannot get rid of the implanted spring within.  You cannot walk away from it, because it goes wherever you do.  It is an unending source of life, because it originates from the Maker of all life, not the recipient of it.   





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Christian Politics Forum / Re: The anti-Trump women's march
« Last post by crowcamp on Yesterday at 09:03:26 PM »
Burning Tree Golf Club in Maryland.
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Theology Forum / Re: Why do you believe this?
« Last post by justbyfaith on Yesterday at 09:01:30 PM »
and your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

But you should have  expected me to quote this part of the passage, which states more clearly what the man born blind was saying.  And we kknow that God does not hear sinners.

Of course the fact that the scribes and Pharisees reviled him over his statement is another point in his favour.  Those guys were the enemies of Jesus and His doctrine.

Then Psalms 66:18, as Glorious mentioned, also hits home to substantiate the healed blind man's words.
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Theology Forum / Re: Irresistible Grace leads to Limited Atonement.
« Last post by justbyfaith on Yesterday at 08:51:04 PM »
I'll give you its topical context...1 John 4:8,16.

God is love, (1 John 4:8,16) and Love never fails.  (1 Corinthians 13:8a)

If God fails to bring to heaven anyone that He has loved, then these verses are not scriptural truth, but lies from the pit of hell.

Take your pick.
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Theology Forum / Re: Can a Christian lose salvation?
« Last post by justbyfaith on Yesterday at 08:47:18 PM »
Nevertheless---

Excellent post.

The only correction I would make w0uld be to give you the KJV's rendering of Hebrews 10:14:

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Compare your translation to Hebrews 10:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 in it and I think you might see that it doesn't make sense to render the latter part of the verse as "being sanctified".

Contextually, Hebrews 10:10 tells us that we are sanctified.  Why do the translators depart from this truth to say that he hath perfected for ever them that are being sanctified?

They want the Bible to say that you can be perfect without really being perfect--and this to me is a living shame.
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