The Sin of Sodom was Racism

[Davidjayjordan]

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[Helen]

Would you want to explain how you came to that conclusion?

[Davidjayjordan]

Almost the whole basis for anti-gay atitudes among Christians is their belief that the Lord judged Sodom for its homosexual activites  But Ezekiel never mentioned sex as their sin at all but rather the way they treated strangers and the poor.. Ezekiel 16:49-50  Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister SODOM, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.    And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. So can we argue with the prophet of God, Ezekiel ? Was he mistaken when he was so exact and precise when declaring the 'Sin of Sodom' ?  For in Revelation again, no mention of sexuality is given, only that the Anti-Christ masses would not bury the two strangers, who were always coming into their anti-god kingdom and prophesying against them. Revelation  11:8-9  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, (Jerusalem) which spiritually is called SODOM and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. (SEE Two End Time Prophets).

     But when you read the Biblical Book of Jasher which is mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1: 18, it goes into much more detail that makes it clear that the Sins of Sodom were not merely sexual in nature, but went to the sins of their selfish proud hearts..  The Book of Jasher agreeing with Ezekiel and reinforcing what the Lord has always demanded of His people ... that they take care of strangers and the poor. But read it for yourself and answer the question yourself, straight from the scriptures in Jasher ...  http://earth-history.com/Pseudepigrapha/Jas/pseu-jasher-19.htm

     25 And a poor man came into the city (of Sodom) to seek  maintenance, and he remained in the city some days, and all the people of Sodom caused a proclamation of their custom not to give this man a morsel of bread to eat, until he dropped dead upon the earth, and they did so 26 And Paltith the daughter of Lot saw this man lying in the streets starved with hunger, and no one would give him any thing to keep him alive, and he was just upon the point of death.27 And her soul was filled with pity on account of the man, and she fed him secretly with bread for many days, and the soul of this man was revived.

     28 For when she went forth to fetch water she would put the bread in the water pitcher, and when she came to the place where the poor man was, she took the bread from the pitcher and gave it him to eat; so she did many days. 29 And all the people of Sodom and Gomorrah wondered how this man could bear starvation for so many days. 30 And they said to each other, This can only be that he eats and drinks, for no man can bear starvation for so many days or live as this man has, without even his countenance changing; and three men concealed themselves in a place where the poor man was stationed, to know who it was that brought him bread to eat.

     31 And Paltith daughter of Lot went forth that day to fetch water, and she put bread into her pitcher of water, and she went to draw water by the poor man's place, and she took out the bread from the pitcher and gave it to the poor man and he ate it. 32 And the three men saw what Paltith did to the poor man, and they said to her, It is thou then who hast supported him, and therefore has he not starved, nor changed in appearance nor died like the rest.

     33 And the three men went out of the place in which they were concealed, and they seized Paltith and the bread which was in the poor man's hand. 34 And they took Paltith and brought her before their judges, and they said to them, Thus did she do, and it is she who supplied the poor man with bread, therefore did he not die all this time; now therefore declare to us the punishment due to this woman for having transgressed our law.   35 And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah assembled and kindled a fire in the street of the city, and they took the woman and cast her into the fire and she was burned to ashes.

[Davidjayjordan]

Continued...

36 And in the city of Admah there was a woman to whom they did the like. 37 For a traveler came into the city of Admah to abide there all night, with the intention of going home in the morning, and he sat opposite the door of the house of the young woman's father, to remain there, as the sun had set when be had reached that place; and the young woman saw him sitting by the door of the house. 38 And he asked her for a drink of water and she said to him, Who art thou? and he said to her, I was this day going on the road, and reached here when the sun set, so I will abide here all night, and in the morning I will arise early and continue my journey.

     39 And the young woman went into the house and fetched the man bread and water to eat and drink. 40 And this affair became known to the people of Admah, and they assembled and brought the young woman before the judges, that they should judge her for this act.

     41 And the judge said, The judgment of death must pass upon this woman because she transgressed our law, and this therefore is the decision concerning her. 42 And the people of those cities assembled and brought out the young woman, and anointed her with honey from head to foot, as the judge had decreed, and they placed her before a swarm of bees which were then in their hives, and the bees flew upon her and stung her that her whole body was swelled. 43 And the young woman cried out on account of the bees, but no one took notice of her or pitied her, and her cries ascended to heaven  44 And the Lord was provoked at this and at all the works of the cities of Sodom, for they had abundance of food, and had tranquility amongst them, and still would not sustain the poor and the needy, and in those days their evil doings and sins became great before the Lord.

   

[Davidjayjordan]

Cont.... verses from Jasher....

     45 And the Lord sent for two of the angels that had come to Abraham's house, to destroy Sodom and its cities. 46 And the angels rose up from the door of Abraham's tent, after they had eaten and drunk, and they reached Sodom in the evening, and Lot was then sitting in the gate of Sodom, and when he saw them he rose to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. 47 And he pressed them greatly and brought them into his house, and he gave them victuals which they ate, and they abode all night in his house.

     48 And the angels said to Lot, Arise, go forth from this place, thou and all belonging to thee, lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of this city, for the Lord will destroy this place. 49 And the angels laid hold upon the hand of Lot and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hands of his children, and all belonging to him, and they brought him forth and set him without the cities. 50 And they said to Lot, Escape for thy life, and he fled and all belonging to him.

     51 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah and upon all these cities brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. 52 And he overthrew these cities, all the plain and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground; and Ado the wife of Lot looked back to see the destruction of the cities, for her compassion was moved on account of her daughters who remained in Sodom, for they did not go with her. 53 And when she looked back she became a pillar of salt, and it is yet in that.

[Davidjayjordan]

That's a start, Helen.

Its verses from direct prophecy by Ezekiel.... as Sodom was a city state, that was wealthy because of its geographic trading location, and as such was proud, rich, and idle, and hence hated strangers which they deemed beneath their status.... IE they had nationalistic patriotic pride, and abused or killed strangers that enetered THEREIN, and the cry came before the Lord of those killed and abused.

[Davidjayjordan]

Racism is basically when a people put themselves above all others or certain others. Yet the Lord has always told his people to have hospitality and to receive others, even accepting any and all that wanted to join them (if they believed)

This Jesus of course reinforced..... This is my commanbdment that you love one another...and all those parables and truths He spoke about concerning neighbors, the Good Samartitan etc. etc.... We`are to love all, strangers, neighbors , other nationalities , all.

[Davidjayjordan]

Helen, I tried to post this in UNTRADITIONAL TOPICS, but it didn;t go through so I brought it HERE, and still had a little trouble. Probably because of its length in posting all those scriptures. Note the first post and the .....

But do continue to ask questions, and bring forth your verses and reasonings even though you are a woman and this apparrently is for men only. I for one, definitely
would like your input, as from every thing I have read it seems the women were as much to blame in Sodom as the men were.

[Red Baker]

But when you read the Biblical Book of Jasher

That's one of many problems that you have.  You have no biblical proof from the NT that such a book was ever considered to be part of the word of God, that God moved holy men of old to write.  Prove to me that such a book was ever quoted from by Jesus, or any of the apostles~you cannot do it.

Another problem you have is that you cannot even read the NT which we know is inspired by God.  Have you never read this:

Jude 7

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example of vengeance of eternal fire."

Not only Sodom and Gomorrha gave themselves over to fornication, which Sodomy falls under, but the cites around them did as well, only they (Sodom) were know for this sin, much like San Francisco; ever heard of that city full of perverts?  It is indeed strange when men sexually desire the flesh of men, and women burn in their wicked hearts for women~ it is going against the way that God created us.  Adultery is a terrible sin, yet it does not work contrary to our nature, and the way in which we were created, but sodomy does;   It is as Jude said~going after strange flesh!

Where do you read in Jude of what you want others to believe?  The faithful will never follow such spirits as yours, without you proving your doctrine from the scriptures, for they are children of faith~ and without biblical proof, you are wasting your time.

RB

[chosenone]

David I have moved it to non traditional theology as you wanted it to be in.

[AVZ]

In Genesis 18, God Himself tells Abraham the reason for the destruction of Sodom.
It was neither racism or fornication. It was the fact that there was not a living soul in the city that was righteous.
The city was so intrinsically evil, in every aspect, that the cry for justice reached heaven.

We are not talking about a city of fornication only.
Sodom was far more, it was a town drenched in evil. Sodomy was just a part of it.

[Red Baker]

In Genesis 18, God Himself tells Abraham the reason for the destruction of Sodom.
It was neither racism or fornication. It was the fact that there was not a living soul in the city that was righteous.
The city was so intrinsically evil, in every aspect, that the cry for justice reached heaven.

We are not talking about a city of fornication only.
Sodom was far more, it was a town drenched in evil. Sodomy was just a part of it.

I would not disagree with this, but agree.  Ezekiel did add some more of their sins.

[MeMyself]

In Genesis 18, God Himself tells Abraham the reason for the destruction of Sodom.
It was neither racism or fornication. It was the fact that there was not a living soul in the city that was righteous.
The city was so intrinsically evil, in every aspect, that the cry for justice reached heaven.

We are not talking about a city of fornication only.
Sodom was far more, it was a town drenched in evil. Sodomy was just a part of it.

I would not disagree with this, but agree.  Ezekiel did add some more of their sins.

I also agree...and David, you are trying to make it about one sin that destroyed the people.  It wasn't. It was the depth and height and breadth of their complete depravity that caused their destruction.  ONE sin was not the issue, it was the heart of that place...utterly and completely evil, pride, fists flying in the face of God.

I imagine much like the days of Noah...only it was more concentrated to the one place rather than rampant all over behaviors of godlessness.

[chosenone]

In Genesis 18, God Himself tells Abraham the reason for the destruction of Sodom.
It was neither racism or fornication. It was the fact that there was not a living soul in the city that was righteous.
The city was so intrinsically evil, in every aspect, that the cry for justice reached heaven.

We are not talking about a city of fornication only.
Sodom was far more, it was a town drenched in evil. Sodomy was just a part of it.

yep that is what I was going to say. It was one of the many sins.

[Davidjayjordan]

But when you read the Biblical Book of Jasher

That's one of many problems that you have.  You have no biblical proof from the NT that such a book was ever considered to be part of the word of God, that God moved holy men of old to write.  Prove to me that such a book was ever quoted from by Jesus, or any of the apostles~you cannot do it.

Another problem you have is that you cannot even read the NT which we know is inspired by God.  Have you never read this:

Jude 7

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example of vengeance of eternal fire."

Not only Sodom and Gomorrha gave themselves over to fornication, which Sodomy falls under, but the cites around them did as well, only they (Sodom) were know for this sin, much like San Francisco; ever heard of that city full of perverts?  It is indeed strange when men sexually desire the flesh of men, and women burn in their wicked hearts for women~ it is going against the way that God created us.  Adultery is a terrible sin, yet it does not work contrary to our nature, and the way in which we were created, but sodomy does;   It is as Jude said~going after strange flesh!

Where do you read in Jude of what you want others to believe?  The faithful will never follow such spirits as yours, without you proving your doctrine from the scriptures, for they are children of faith~ and without biblical proof, you are wasting your time.

RB

The true story of Sodom happened in Old Testament times, and Ezekiel through the Holy Spirit and direct WORD OF THUS SAITH THE LORD, said there sins were pride, fulness and idleness. Jasher was mentioned and told as scripture from the TWO not one scripturial references in traditional Books of the Old Testament. They should know, it was in their time.

Sodom obviously hated strangers.

And please follow the rules and do not say 'The faithful will never follow such spirits as yours, without you proving your doctrine from the scriptures, for they are children of faith~ and without biblical proof, you are wasting your time.'

I have presented a start of my biblical proof, just as you are attempting to present yours. It is for the faithful and the loving to determine for themselves what the sin of Sodom was.

[Davidjayjordan]

David I have moved it to non traditional theology as you wanted it to be in.

Thank you, even though Mens Sexual Forum was also an option. It wouldn;t post because I think its length was too long.

[Davidjayjordan]

In Genesis 18, God Himself tells Abraham the reason for the destruction of Sodom.
It was neither racism or fornication. It was the fact that there was not a living soul in the city that was righteous.
The city was so intrinsically evil, in every aspect, that the cry for justice reached heaven.

We are not talking about a city of fornication only.
Sodom was far more, it was a town drenched in evil. Sodomy was just a part of it.

[Helen]

David, you are talking about the symptoms of the one real and major sin:  turning away from God and refusing the truth.  It is THIS which results in depravity in all its various forms, whether it be racism, sexual, or whatever.  You cannot pick one of the symptoms and call it the whole disease. 

[whirlwind]

Is racism a sin?  To say yes you must define racism.

Is it to recognize that there are indeed different races...for God Himself tells us this and I don't consider it a sin.  Sadly, there are some today that say that seeing color is racist. 

Is it to see one race as better or more loved by God than another?  Some point out because God has a "chosen" family that He is a racist.   

Where and how is racism defined as sin?  What is your definition of racism?

[AVZ]

But when you read the Biblical Book of Jasher

That's one of many problems that you have.  You have no biblical proof from the NT that such a book was ever considered to be part of the word of God, that God moved holy men of old to write.  Prove to me that such a book was ever quoted from by Jesus, or any of the apostles~you cannot do it.

Another problem you have is that you cannot even read the NT which we know is inspired by God.  Have you never read this:

Jude 7

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example of vengeance of eternal fire."

Not only Sodom and Gomorrha gave themselves over to fornication, which Sodomy falls under, but the cites around them did as well, only they (Sodom) were know for this sin, much like San Francisco; ever heard of that city full of perverts?  It is indeed strange when men sexually desire the flesh of men, and women burn in their wicked hearts for women~ it is going against the way that God created us.  Adultery is a terrible sin, yet it does not work contrary to our nature, and the way in which we were created, but sodomy does;   It is as Jude said~going after strange flesh!

Where do you read in Jude of what you want others to believe?  The faithful will never follow such spirits as yours, without you proving your doctrine from the scriptures, for they are children of faith~ and without biblical proof, you are wasting your time.

RB

The true story of Sodom happened in Old Testament times, and Ezekiel through the Holy Spirit and direct WORD OF THUS SAITH THE LORD, said there sins were pride, fulness and idleness. Jasher was mentioned and told as scripture from the TWO not one scripturial references in traditional Books of the Old Testament. They should know, it was in their time.

Sodom obviously hated strangers.

And please follow the rules and do not say 'The faithful will never follow such spirits as yours, without you proving your doctrine from the scriptures, for they are children of faith~ and without biblical proof, you are wasting your time.'

I have presented a start of my biblical proof, just as you are attempting to present yours. It is for the faithful and the loving to determine for themselves what the sin of Sodom was.

Sodom did not hate strangers by definition.
Lot was a stranger, yet he lived among them.
The Bible tells us that Lot was sitting at the gate of the city, so he actually was a respected citizen.

The men of Sodom did not hate the two newcomers...they liked them so much that they lusted after them.

[Davidjayjordan]

David, you are talking about the symptoms of the one real and major sin:  turning away from God and refusing the truth.  It is THIS which results in depravity in all its various forms, whether it be racism, sexual, or whatever.  You cannot pick one of the symptoms and call it the whole disease.

.. Yes they turned away from the God of LOVE and turned to the many vices of lack of love.... like nationalism, racism, humiliation, abuse of strangers, and even killing of strangers, the ultimate act of lack of love.

[MeMyself]

David, you are talking about the symptoms of the one real and major sin:  turning away from God and refusing the truth.  It is THIS which results in depravity in all its various forms, whether it be racism, sexual, or whatever.  You cannot pick one of the symptoms and call it the whole disease.

.. Yes they turned away from the God of LOVE and turned to the many vices of lack of love.... like nationalism, racism, humiliation, abuse of strangers, and even killing of strangers, the ultimate act of lack of love.

and also homosexual acting out...don't forget that.  It is one of the sins being committed there.

[Davidjayjordan]

Is racism a sin?  To say yes you must define racism.

Is it to recognize that there are indeed different races...for God Himself tells us this and I don't consider it a sin.  Sadly, there are some today that say that seeing color is racist. 

Is it to see one race as better or more loved by God than another?  Some point out because God has a "chosen" family that He is a racist.   

Where and how is racism defined as sin?  What is your definition of racism?

I can answer the question as I started this thread, but it will be your turn to answer afterwards.

Racism is prejudice AGAINST another race. It is a bias. It is actions that stem from a belief system that deems one race above another and therefore treats them that way.

Seeing color is hardly racism...... living with different colors in respect and harmony and equality is Christianity, Jesus died for all, not just some. He has no favorites or chosen opnes. All must individually choose HIM, for He is the ONLY CHOSEN ONE.

Now before trying to ask another question, you answer what you think racism is.

[whirlwind]

Is racism a sin?  To say yes you must define racism.

Is it to recognize that there are indeed different races...for God Himself tells us this and I don't consider it a sin.  Sadly, there are some today that say that seeing color is racist. 

Is it to see one race as better or more loved by God than another?  Some point out because God has a "chosen" family that He is a racist.   

Where and how is racism defined as sin?  What is your definition of racism?

I can answer the question as I started this thread, but it will be your turn to answer afterwards.

Racism is prejudice AGAINST another race. It is a bias. It is actions that stem from a belief system that deems one race above another and therefore treats them that way.

Seeing color is hardly racism...... living with different colors in respect and harmony and equality is Christianity, Jesus died for all, not just some. He has no favorites or chosen opnes. All must individually choose HIM, for He is the ONLY CHOSEN ONE.

Now before trying to ask another question, you answer what you think racism is.

Racism to me is hatred or dislike of another person only because of their color.  Is the sin you speak of racism or the hatred or dislike of another without cause....the sin God speaks of?





Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Is racism a sin or is the hatred (no matter what color) of a brother the sin?  What is a brother?  I don't see racism as a sin but rather the "prejudice against another" with no regard to race at all as...the sin. 


Then, there is homosexuality.  Are those engaging in that practice our "brothers in Christ?"  Are you excusing homosexuality and saying it is not a sin?

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

David,

There's a problem with the modern book of Jasher.  Namely, it isn't the same book alluded to in the Old Testament.  It was written in Spain in the 12th century AD, as a collection of Jewish tales handed down orally.  The stories there are more 'complete' because they have been embellished, in some cases quite a bit, as they were handed down.

The "Book of Jasher" alluded to in the OT is something we still have, at least in an edited form.  It is the basis for the text of the OT books of 1Kings and 2Kings, and possibly part/all of Judges.

Note that 'Jasher' in Hebrew is "ISR" which is simply the first three letters of ISRael.  "Jeshurun" is another word meaning the same in your OT, as well.  "Book of Jasher" = Book of Israel, which is to say that it was simply their national history book.

Jarrod

[Nevertheless]

A little learning is a dangerous thing . . .

[Davidjayjordan]

A little learning is a dangerous thing . . .

True learning is always a good thing.....

But we must write more than one sentence as that is one of the rules HERE. Sounds good to me.

[Davidjayjordan]

Is racism a sin?  To say yes you must define racism.

Is it to recognize that there are indeed different races...for God Himself tells us this and I don't consider it a sin.  Sadly, there are some today that say that seeing color is racist. 

Is it to see one race as better or more loved by God than another?  Some point out because God has a "chosen" family that He is a racist.   

Where and how is racism defined as sin?  What is your definition of racism?

I can answer the question as I started this thread, but it will be your turn to answer afterwards.

Racism is prejudice AGAINST another race. It is a bias. It is actions that stem from a belief system that deems one race above another and therefore treats them that way.

Seeing color is hardly racism...... living with different colors in respect and harmony and equality is Christianity, Jesus died for all, not just some. He has no favorites or chosen opnes. All must individually choose HIM, for He is the ONLY CHOSEN ONE.

Now before trying to ask another question, you answer what you think racism is.

Racism to me is hatred or dislike of another person only because of their color.  Is the sin you speak of racism or the hatred or dislike of another without cause....the sin God speaks of?





Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Excellent verse, exception verse, as I wanted to post that one as confirmation myself. Hate in the heart is a sin, arrogance and pride as with Sodom was a sin, which lead to them putting that hate into actions that killed strangers.
Is racism a sin or is the hatred (no matter what color) of a brother the sin?  What is a brother?  I don't see racism as a sin but rather the "prejudice against another" with no regard to race at all as...the sin. 


Then, there is homosexuality.  Are those engaging in that practice our "brothers in Christ?"  Are you excusing homosexuality and saying it is not a sin?

[notreligus]

Is racism a sin?  To say yes you must define racism.

Is it to recognize that there are indeed different races...for God Himself tells us this and I don't consider it a sin.  Sadly, there are some today that say that seeing color is racist. 

Is it to see one race as better or more loved by God than another?  Some point out because God has a "chosen" family that He is a racist.   

Where and how is racism defined as sin?  What is your definition of racism?

I have said such and that is on the basis that some maintain that Israel has a superior position over "Gentiles" because they were the "chosen."  They were the chosen because God used them to bring forth the Messiah, Jesus Christ.   At the cross Christ reconciled all of mankind and that's why Paul said that in Christ there is no difference, yet some are maintaining that is not true.

I am Caucasian but also Native American (Cherokee and Shawnee).   That does not define who I am in Christ.   The physical should not define the Spiritual.   In Christ all believers are part of one people and no nationality or race has a superior position in Christ

[Davidjayjordan]

Awesome and very TRUE,

I am one eighth Cherokee, and one eighth Jewish, with German, and English mixed in, but as you say none of these races define me, I am defined by the Creator and defined by my choices to love or not love.

I perceive notreligus, that you have the right religion of the heart.

Yet as you say, some still cling to the belief system that causes strife, that one race is superior to others. This obviously has cause immense trouble and continues to cause immense problems.

SEE JEWS ARE JUST PEOPLE THREAD

[whirlwind]

All of the above is interesting but has nothing to do with the sin of Sodom...which was homosexuality...not racism.

[Helen]

whirlwind, if you check Romans 1, you will find that homosexuality is the result of suppressing or denying the truth of God.  It's a symptom more than the disease itself.

[Davidjayjordan]

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[fish153]

I am quite surprised no one has quoted from Genesis 19 where the story of Sodom and Gomorrah appears.  These men were so wicked that when they saw two men enter Lot's house the first thing that entered their minds was sex.  And they were so perverted they were going to rape angels!

They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing". (Genesis 19: 5-7 NIV)

The men of Sodom clearly understood these were "men" that they wanted to have sex with---they were so unholy they did not recognize that they wanted to rape angels.

Lot very clearly states that what they were going to was a "wicked thing".  God says that the men of Sodom were "wicked exceedingly" and it wasn't due to inhospitality---it was due to sexual perversion and vice.  That is very, very clear.

[Davidjayjordan]

I am quite surprised no one has quoted from Genesis 19 where the story of Sodom and Gomorrah appears.  These men were so wicked that when they saw two men enter Lot's house the first thing that entered their minds was sex.  And they were so perverted they were going to rape angels!

They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing". (Genesis 19: 5-7 NIV)

Lot very clearly states that what they were going to was a "wicked thing".  God says that the men of Sodom were "wicked exceedingly" and it wasn't due to inhospitality---it was due to sexual perversion and vice.  That is very, very clear.

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