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A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 14:37:54 »
When a Roman Catholic looks at the pope they see Gold and A way to eternal life IN HEAVEN  ..

When a Lutheran Looks at the pope they see cheap imitation plastic and a sure way to hell ..

   now both can't be right ..


 Lutherans look only to Jesus and his perfect work already done  for their salvation.. As the ONE and only  way to eternal life in heaven .


The Roman Catholic  their   way is the way popes have  taught them ,, Since the POPES  stand in the way of Christ .. or as a catholic would put it as the way of Christ   ---You have to do your part to. and  the popes  teaches them  through their church exactly what their part is ..

But when is being  good good enough ? For a God that demands perfection ..


true the Roman Catholics works very hard at their religion and faith  but so do the Mormons and the muslims..


While the Lutheran just looks to Jesus..


                

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #1 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 15:12:22 »
No earthly pleasures, no kingdoms of this world can benefit me in any way. I prefer death in Christ Jesus to power over the farthest limits of the earth. He who died in place of us is the one object of my quest. He who rose for our sakes is my one desire.

St. Ignatius of Antioch
 


"FATHER,... this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."[1]

"God our Saviour desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."[2]

"There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved"[3] - than the name of JESUS.



Oh Lutheran honesty please.

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #2 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 15:48:50 »

2ND COUNCIL OF TRENT
has never been recanted by pope


Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #3 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:10:53 »
catholic catechism


2001 The preparation of man for the reception of grace is already a work of grace. This latter is needed to arouse and sustain our collaboration in justification through faith, and in sanctification through charity. God brings to completion in us what he has begun, "since he who completes his work by cooperating with our will began by working so that we might will it:"50


Nothing about the Pope either but what exactly is your beef?

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #4 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:15:31 »
2ND COUNCIL OF TRENT
has never been recanted by any  pope


Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #5 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:19:55 »
2ND COUNCIL OF TRENT
has never been recanted by any  pope


Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."


That is because Luther's definition of faith was false. Luther separated works from faith while the Holy Bible tecahes us that Faith and faithful works are products of one another. True Faith breeds faithful obedient works. Faith without works is dead because Faith is validated by action.

As Christ taught, a plant that does not bear fruit will be uprooted and cast into the fire.

Luther taught that fruit was meaningless and tried to 'revise' the Book of James in order to support his false idea of "faith".

Had he had the right definition of Faith, his doctrine of Sola Fide would not have been deemed heretical.


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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #6 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:25:32 »
catholic catechism


2001 The preparation of man for the reception of grace is already a work of grace. This latter is needed to arouse and sustain our collaboration in justification through faith, and in sanctification through charity. God brings to completion in us what he has begun, "since he who completes his work by cooperating with our will began by working so that we might will it:"50


Nothing about the Pope either but what exactly is your beef?

its their teachings is it not ?

its not the bibles teaching so it must be the popes  teaching since it comes from their catechism as a gift to you..

God does not  cooperate with man's will  no how no way .. He changes   mans will to conform to his will ..

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #7 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:30:57 »
2ND COUNCIL OF TRENT
has never been recanted by any  pope


Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."


That is because Luther's definition of faith was false. Luther separated works from faith while the Holy Bible tecahes us that Faith and faithful works are products of one another. True Faith breeds faithful obedient works. Faith without works is dead because Faith is validated by action.

As Christ taught, a plant that does not bear fruit will be uprooted and cast into the fire.

Luther taught that fruit was meaningless and tried to 'revise' the Book of James in order to support his false idea of "faith".

Had he had the right definition of Faith, his doctrine of Sola Fide would not have been deemed heretical.



every one  can easly see now what i say is  true..  the way a Lutheran looks at the pope and the way a Catholic looks at the pope is easly proved right here..


enjoy your pope that   cheap plastic imitation of  what the truth really is.. ..

You and i have now proved what i have said..
so further communication is no longer needed..or wanted ...
and serves no good purpose..





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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #8 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:43:54 »
2ND COUNCIL OF TRENT
has never been recanted by any  pope


Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."


That is because Luther's definition of faith was false. Luther separated works from faith while the Holy Bible tecahes us that Faith and faithful works are products of one another. True Faith breeds faithful obedient works. Faith without works is dead because Faith is validated by action.

As Christ taught, a plant that does not bear fruit will be uprooted and cast into the fire.

Luther taught that fruit was meaningless and tried to 'revise' the Book of James in order to support his false idea of "faith".

Had he had the right definition of Faith, his doctrine of Sola Fide would not have been deemed heretical.



every one  can easly see now what i say is  true..  the way a Lutheran looks at the pope and the way a Catholic looks at the pope is easly proved right here..


enjoy your pope that   cheap plastic imitation of  what the truth really is.. ..

You and i have now proved what i have said..
so further communication is no longer needed..or wanted ...
and serves no good purpose..







Trust me when I say I don't particularly get excited about correcting the falsehoods of anticatholics but for the sake of the viewers I do try my best.

If you want to get rid of me keep the name of the Catholic Church and the Pope out of your mouth and I will bother you no more. So much as even whisper a mention of either in so much as a glimmer of dishonesty or misrepresentation and like Arnold, I'll be back.

For now so long. It was a blast debating you.

 ::tippinghat::

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #9 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 22:28:53 »
2ND COUNCIL OF TRENT
has never been recanted by any  pope


Canon 9. "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Canon 12. "If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema."


That is because Luther's definition of faith was false. Luther separated works from faith while the Holy Bible tecahes us that Faith and faithful works are products of one another. True Faith breeds faithful obedient works. Faith without works is dead because Faith is validated by action.

As Christ taught, a plant that does not bear fruit will be uprooted and cast into the fire.

Luther taught that fruit was meaningless and tried to 'revise' the Book of James in order to support his false idea of "faith".

Had he had the right definition of Faith, his doctrine of Sola Fide would not have been deemed heretical.



every one  can easly see now what i say is  true..  the way a Lutheran looks at the pope and the way a Catholic looks at the pope is easly proved right here..


enjoy your pope that   cheap plastic imitation of  what the truth really is.. ..

You and i have now proved what i have said..
so further communication is no longer needed..or wanted ...
and serves no good purpose..







Trust me when I say I don't particularly get excited about correcting the falsehoods of anticatholics but for the sake of the viewers I do try my best.

If you want to get rid of me keep the name of the Catholic Church and the Pope out of your mouth and I will bother you no more. So much as even whisper a mention of either in so much as a glimmer of dishonesty or misrepresentation and like Arnold, I'll be back.

For now so long. It was a blast debating you.

 ::tippinghat::

oh
NOW I UNDERSTAND you want to be just like Arnold ..    You have your own adultry Thing going on with the papacy..  and just like arnold

you want it kept REAL quiet..      

What a ugly love child thats going to be..



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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #10 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 05:59:09 »
Really guy? That was the best you could whip up? Grow up and get a life.


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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #11 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 09:25:10 »
No the best i can come up with is scripture about the real Christ not the pope dying for you .
because he is  really the  one who loves you. knows every hair on your head watches over you and your family and protects you .he is the only one who loves you

with a ever lasting love .  Do you really think your in the popes heart? that he thinks about you and your family  each day and cares how your doing? 


 you should  know Christ heart Where you and your loved ones are  always loved and welcome.

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #12 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 09:48:24 »
The point of Catholicism is to be in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ not His messenger's. Obedience to Christ is obedience to His commandments and to those He sent. The Pope is the leader of the sent.

I don't expect a rebel to know anything about honesty and obedience.

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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #13 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 10:14:10 »
Really guy? That was the best you could whip up? Grow up and get a life.

We are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul...and to love our neighbor as our self...


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Re: A Roman Catholic and a Lutheran look at the pope
« Reply #14 on: Wed Jun 15, 2011 - 10:26:45 »
The point of Catholicism is to be in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ not His messenger's. Obedience to Christ is obedience to His commandments and to those He sent. The Pope is the leader of the sent.

I don't expect a rebel to know anything about honesty and obedience.

 your correct you  wont find honesty and obediance in me you wont even find love for others the way it should be ..

And i wont find any of these things in  you either..  the way it should be...


So God   punished  His only beloved Son in our place  and gave us his perfect record of obediance and love and honesty
to save us any way.



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