Differences between Lutherans and evangelicals

[ex cathedra]

THAN GODS GRACE WOULD NOT BE GRACE!

Jimmy,

That to me sounds very much like it is dependent upon our human decision.

Read it again:

John 1,

11  He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12  But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13  who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Therefore, we are justified by grace alone (not of ourselves- Ephesians 2:8,9), through faith alone (not of ourselves- Hebrews 12:2), for Christ's sake alone (not of ourselves- I Peter 1:3); to God alone be the glory (Ephesians 1:3-6).



In Christ,
DJK

I reread it.  It is still a function of the individual's decision.  It is clearly conditional upon receiving Him.

BTW, why do you feel the need to insert the word "alone" when you see the word "grace" or "faith"?  The Holy Spirit didn't put it there, perhaps because He didn't want it there.

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.


1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.


John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.


1 Corinthians 2:14
14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Colossians 2:13
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

[cosmicgospel]

Natural man does not agree with the things of the Spirit, for they are foolishness to him.

Evangelicals and Lutherans remain far apart on a number of issues. Evies fall for the use of human reason and therefore put a great deal of emphasis on making decisions.

Sacraments are seen in the same light of reason by Evangelicals (does this make sense at all  ).

Evangelicalism is Scripture interpreted by human reason. Lutherans insist Scripture first and when it opposes reason, insist on it twice as much.

Abram is a good man. But he is congratulated in the Evies and never becomes Abraham. Human decision only goes so far.

Peace,

Cos

[ex cathedra]

 COSMIC GOSPEL Wrote

Evangelicalism is Scripture interpreted by human reason. Lutherans insist Scripture first and when it opposes reason, insist on it twice as much.

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I love it put that way!Its so true.

Thanks Cosmic Gospel

[a cruce salus]

Klemet Preus discusses the differences in The Fire and the Staff: Lutheran Theology in Practice.   Excellent book!

[ex cathedra]

Jimmy,

That to me sounds very much like it is dependent upon our human decision.

Read it again:

John 1,

11  He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12  But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13  who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Therefore, we are justified by grace alone (not of ourselves- Ephesians 2:8,9), through faith alone (not of ourselves- Hebrews 12:2), for Christ's sake alone (not of ourselves- I Peter 1:3); to God alone be the glory (Ephesians 1:3-6).



In Christ,
DJK

I reread it.  It is still a function of the individual's decision.  It is clearly conditional upon receiving Him.

BTW, why do you feel the need to insert the word "alone" when you see the word "grace" or "faith"?  The Holy Spirit didn't put it there, perhaps because He didn't want it there.

 We put it there to let the Anti -Christ  know we are not subject to his doctrines that want to destroy The truth of Gods grace . We put it there
BECAUSE a thorugh study of scripture alone , the full council of God (all of  scripture TELLS US IN OBJECTION TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ANTI-CHRIST THAT DENY IT BELONGS THERE ,  that  it TRULY DOES belongs there .Romans 3:21



Now for the reason you see what you do in the verse John 1 :11 is  once again even that verse you take out of the context of the rest of scripture and trust the Anti-christ interpetation's .if you would look  at the verse that came after  it . Instead of the antii --Christ teaching You would not have to be shown why your wrong .  I hope this is a lesson to you to look to the  to the full council of God the rest of scripture to interpet what scripture itself teaches about scripture.
in its light




NO ONE COMES TO tHE SON UNLESS MY FATHER DRAWS THEM JOHN 6:44

[Stucky]

Hi,  I'm new here and I'm confused.  I was raised as a Lutheran from 1943 to 1958.  My church was affiliated with the Missouri Synod.  In those days we were called Evangelical Lutherans.  Has somethi9ng changed since then?

[ex cathedra]

Hi,  I'm new here and I'm confused.  I was raised as a Lutheran from 1943 to 1958.  My church was affiliated with the Missouri Synod.  In those days we were called Evangelical Lutherans.  Has somethi9ng changed since then?

The Lutheran church is the oldest "on going" evangelical church in the world .

many non lutheran often called "Miracle  churchs's"   Are now using the name to spread a differing  agenda.
than  just ------------------ Christ and him crucified and risen for our justification .

They are using the word "evangelical" also for their  brand of sanctification /Talking in tongues / faith healings and their vews on end times etc