Genesis 6:4 - Nephilim

[ex cathedra]

question and  answer about the Nephilim
http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?process&procID=1518&cuQA_qaID=1&cuTopic_topicID=810&cuItem_itemID=28156

[harrycrane]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.   

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

[ex cathedra]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.  

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

Confessional  Lutheran theologians  believe differently.
i dont know of any confessional Lutherans theologians who believe these were angleic beings . that is not taught in our circles .
though what you say is  taught in some protestant circles --but not as far a s i know . by the  conservative reformed presbyterians     http://www.reformed.org/
but you are welcome  i think to  ask them ..

again here is what our lutheran theologians believe.

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?process&procID=1518&cuQA_qaID=1&cuTopic_topicID=810&cuItem_itemID=28156

or here


http://kretzmannproject.org/home.htm

[Stucky]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.   

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

I have to agree with Harry.  I am including a paragraph from an article written by Jack Kelley of www.gracethrufaith.com about the Days Of Noah:

What Planet Are You From?
We’ve also made mention of the mysterious people in Genesis 6:4 called the Nephillim, offspring of crossbreeding between angelic beings and earthlings (See ). Would these beings with super natural strength (origin of the titans or demi-gods in mythology) be called aliens today? In many documented alien encounters there seems to be a great interest on their part in our reproductive system. Are aliens using humans to breed a super race again? In the King James rendering of Daniel 2:43 there’s a curious reference to someone “mixing themselves with the seed of men” in the last days. Is the antichrist part alien or in command of beings that are part alien and part human? As it was in the days of Noah.

[ex cathedra]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.   

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

I have to agree with Harry.  I am including a paragraph from an article written by Jack Kelley of www.gracethrufaith.com about the Days Of Noah:

What Planet Are You From?
We’ve also made mention of the mysterious people in Genesis 6:4 called the Nephillim, offspring of crossbreeding between angelic beings and earthlings (See ). Would these beings with super natural strength (origin of the titans or demi-gods in mythology) be called aliens today? In many documented alien encounters there seems to be a great interest on their part in our reproductive system. Are aliens using humans to breed a super race again? In the King James rendering of Daniel 2:43 there’s a curious reference to someone “mixing themselves with the seed of men” in the last days. Is the antichrist part alien or in command of beings that are part alien and part human? As it was in the days of Noah.

if your LC-MS  why dont you have any LC-MS SOURCE TO QUOTE ??

[Stucky]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.   

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

I have to agree with Harry.  I am including a paragraph from an article written by Jack Kelley of www.gracethrufaith.com about the Days Of Noah:

What Planet Are You From?
We’ve also made mention of the mysterious people in Genesis 6:4 called the Nephillim, offspring of crossbreeding between angelic beings and earthlings (See ). Would these beings with super natural strength (origin of the titans or demi-gods in mythology) be called aliens today? In many documented alien encounters there seems to be a great interest on their part in our reproductive system. Are aliens using humans to breed a super race again? In the King James rendering of Daniel 2:43 there’s a curious reference to someone “mixing themselves with the seed of men” in the last days. Is the antichrist part alien or in command of beings that are part alien and part human? As it was in the days of Noah.

if your LC-MS  why dont you have any LC-MS SOURCE TO QUOTE ??

  I'm not allowed to quote from other sources?   

[ex cathedra]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.   

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

I have to agree with Harry.  I am including a paragraph from an article written by Jack Kelley of www.gracethrufaith.com about the Days Of Noah:

What Planet Are You From?
We’ve also made mention of the mysterious people in Genesis 6:4 called the Nephillim, offspring of crossbreeding between angelic beings and earthlings (See ). Would these beings with super natural strength (origin of the titans or demi-gods in mythology) be called aliens today? In many documented alien encounters there seems to be a great interest on their part in our reproductive system. Are aliens using humans to breed a super race again? In the King James rendering of Daniel 2:43 there’s a curious reference to someone “mixing themselves with the seed of men” in the last days. Is the antichrist part alien or in command of beings that are part alien and part human? As it was in the days of Noah.

if your LC-MS  why dont you have any LC-MS SOURCE TO QUOTE ??

  I'm not allowed to quote from other sources?   

its not polite to pretend your lcms --------when your really   non denom stucky

[Lutheran brother]

Jesus states with regard to angels here - Matthew 22:30 (New American Standard Bible)

 30"For in the resurrection they neither (A)marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

If this is a true statement and you do believe Jesus is the Son of God, then we know very well angels are not allowed to marry just as we will be like them in this regard in the resurrection.

[Stucky]

Jesus states with regard to angels here - Matthew 22:30 (New American Standard Bible)

 30"For in the resurrection they neither (A)marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

If this is a true statement and you do believe Jesus is the Son of God, then we know very well angels are not allowed to marry just as we will be like them in this regard in the resurrection.

But what of fallen angels Brother?

[Lutheran brother]

If you are referring to Jude 1:6, this only makes apparent that there are rebellious angels who decided to rebel with Satan. There is not much reference to angels and their daily lives in the bible only because we are Gods attention to the matter. Angels are not promised redemption and are not welcome in heaven due to their decision so yeah there are Fallen Angels, but if air could mate with a human with full DNA then this would be quite a scientific defiance of the Law of Physics. There are no references in scripture towards angels mating with humans whatsoever. I do not believe in alien references due to the fact that God makes no mention of any other planet to be made inhabited other than earth. There are no overwhelming evidences of aliens and to this day is debated by many even in the alien believing community. I stand on what the bible says. Unless I am compelled by the Word of God I can do no other. Here I stand.

[Stucky]

If you are referring to Jude 1:6, this only makes apparent that there are rebellious angels who decided to rebel with Satan. There is not much reference to angels and their daily lives in the bible only because we are Gods attention to the matter. Angels are not promised redemption and are not welcome in heaven due to their decision so yeah there are Fallen Angels, but if air could mate with a human with full DNA then this would be quite a scientific defiance of the Law of Physics. There are no references in scripture towards angels mating with humans whatsoever. I do not believe in alien references due to the fact that God makes no mention of any other planet to be made inhabited other than earth. There are no overwhelming evidences of aliens and to this day is debated by many even in the alien believing community. I stand on what the bible says. Unless I am compelled by the Word of God I can do no other. Here I stand.

No, I'm talking about the original topic Brother:

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Genesis

I agree with you about aliens however.

[Lutheran brother]

IMHO, the Nephilim (translated Giants in some Bible versions) were offspring that resulted from fallen angels having sexual relations with human women.  

It is stated in Genesis 6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them,
6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years."
6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Jude alludes to these fallen angels:  1:6 Angels who didn't keep their first domain, but deserted their own dwelling place, he has kept in everlasting bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

If you want the scripture to say something it does not say then you can use eisegesis, but if you look clearly at the context it says nothing about fallen angels mating with human women. If you can show me clearly with exegesis from the context then I might be convinced. It is very clear that whatever these Nephilim perpetrated it was not pleasing in the eyes of God. As a Lutheran where scripture is silent, I am silent. Where scripture yells with clarity this I can make empirical claim. I would read all of Genesis 6 and the whole book of Jude ( as there is only one chapter ) and understand what the context really says. In my reading I find no reference in Jude that alludes to Genesis 6 whatsoever nor the idea that Nephilim are fallen angels. Scripture just does not make any premise of who they really were. I think the idea here is not so much to know who Nephilim are, but to understand that what these people did was so bad the flood was put in place to punish the grievous sin that they had done. That is a more important lesson. The holiness of God should be understood to be noncompromising. Sin should be seen by all us Christians in the same way even though we are saints and sinners simultaneously. I know you were asking about the original post, but I see no reason to dwell on a trivial aspect as who the Nephilim were, they are long gone whoever they are and we live in the new covenant. I really think you should read this and learn an aspect of who our Great God is. He was merciful to them for a time and gave them space to repent. When these 'great men of renown' did not repent they became 'great men of being drowned'. Do not focus on the men of these times, but on the Great Mercy and Love of God. Hope I answered your inquiry well. As I said where scripture is silent we should be silent, where loud we should be loud. God Bless You. :)