ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN IS TRUST IN JESUS MERITS ?

[ex cathedra]

YES THAT WHAT LUTHERANS BELIEVE.


John 14:6

 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

that's scripture clarity it's plain and straight talk from God the Son Himself .


No one period ! get's  to heaven unless they trust in JESUS!


Please please for your child's sake!  get your infants baptized
every one needs their own faith in Jesus to get to heaven.       infants do  die l.

the wages of sin is death  thats why all humans die ------------But Jesus Rose proving every thing he said is true.

and he defeated sin death and the devil  for all.




if your christian pastor wont baptize babies  .

your welcome to use a  WELS OR ELS OR CLC  pastor .

no INFANT SHOULD  EVER BE  TURNED AWAY FROM KNOWING THEIR PERSONAL  SAVIOR JESUS IN BAPTISM.

any Lutheran pastor who turns a infant away because  a mother or father  is not interested in taking classes or learning anything but wants their infant baptized and that pastor turns them away .

is more than a jerk himself he is acting like a  agent of Satan more interested in his church growth and not the babes welfair in case she or he  dies  and thats not being  a agent of Gods grace in Christ

our JESUS who insisted let the little children come to him and forbid them not..


PLEASE Dont be a sad STORY refusing than  WISHING YOU HAD brought  your baby to Jesus their only savior in baptism .sitting up praying night after
night

that God used a not scriptualy talked about extremely  extra un ordinary means of grace for faith in Jesus  , for their little baby after it died after you refused to bring it to Jesus in holy Christian baptism.

[Hehealedme]

ex-cathedra...

Please stop spreading your lies...baptism is useless for an infant that is way too young to decide whether to believe or not in Jesus...infants cannot make that choice yet and parents cannot choose for them...

[ex cathedra]

ex-cathedra...

Please stop spreading your lies...baptism is useless for an infant that is way too young to decide whether to believe or not in Jesus...infants cannot make that choice yet and parents cannot choose for them...

Dear Anabaptist of persuasion person .

i think your angry because you know Jesus is the one and only way to be saved. and my post clearly shows Anna baptist theology does not bear this very important truth out..

i hope you keep believing faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved for every one .

only God can fully convince you or me or any one else of his scriptural truth's .

But i can show easily how wrong it was for you to Say what you have already said .

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no one can choose to believe in Jesus Not babies not adults . If they could Gods grace would Not  be grace .

if people could choose to believe ---- their would be no need of God the Holy Spirit His wondrous work the very giver of a life in Christ!


1 Corinthians 12:3
3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.



its only because of Gods grace infants believe and you have now shown  its only because of Gods extra special hard work LETS CALL IT  A exceptional grace!  persons older than infants can believe.
 


infant belief
Matthew 21:15-16
15But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, "Hosanna to the Son of David," they were indignant.

 16"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him.
      "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read,
   " 'From the lips of children and infants       you have ordained praise'[?"

Psalm 22:9-10

 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
      you made me trust in you
      Even at my mother's breast.
 10 From birth I was cast upon you;
      from my mother's womb you have been my God.









Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"


Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through Faithand this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God

[ex cathedra]

1 Corinthians 12:3
3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.


DOES THIS MEAN UNBELIEVERS CANT SAY IT ?


They cant say it IN truth !
EXCEPT BY THE Holy SPIRIT.

[Hehealedme]

By the way my name is Lucie, not Anna...


A few hours before my son died in my arms in 1994, a Catholic priest came to see me at the hospital where I gave birth to him. He was mad because nobody had called him sooner to baptize my son. That creepy Catholic priest said that my baby wouldn't be going to Heaven if he died before he got baptized!...

So because of that creepy Catholic priest, I wanted nothing to do with the Catholic church or with God anymore...

I told you before and I will tell you again...it is a waste of time to baptize a baby because an infant isn't old enough to understand what believing  or unbelieving means!...when a priest baptizes a baby, it is then only a mere ritual...nothing more, nothing less...

Hey, why do you say that I am angry?...I don't understand what you mean about that...may it be because my understanding of the English language isn't good enough again?...

Jesus is the only way to be saved for every one that believes and chooses Him as Lord and Saviour. God wants every one to be saved but not all people want or will accept Him !...

[ex cathedra]

By the way my name is Lucie, not Anna...


A few hours before my son died in my arms in 1994, a Catholic priest came to see me at the hospital where I gave birth to him. He was mad because nobody had called him sooner to baptize my son. That creepy Catholic priest said that my baby wouldn't be going to Heaven if he died before he got baptized!...

So because of that creepy Catholic priest, I wanted nothing to do with the Catholic church or with God anymore...

I told you before and I will tell you again...it is a waste of time to baptize a baby because an infant isn't old enough to understand what believing or unbelieving means!...when a priest baptizes a baby, it is then only a mere ritual...nothing more, nothing less...



Jesus is the only way to be saved for every one that chooses Him as Lord and Saviour. God wants every one to be saved but not all people want or will accept that !...

your attempt to change what Jesus has already stated isn't going to change your baby's fate.


You are obviously still bothered by the fact your baby wasn't baptized.
it seems you would have if there was more time .

and that your just bitter over what the priest said and since your baby's wasn't baptized you have decided to be Anna baptist in persuasion .

I will be honest with you.

i do not know if your child is in heaven or not because the bible does not tell us.

could God have used some extraordinary means of grace through Hi's bare word to give your baby faith in Jesus why you were pregnant or after the child died ?

the bible does not tell us we do know. We do know  God is a loving God and it was him who decided to take the baby before you had a chance to baptize him or her , which you would have done being a roman catholic at that time .

 most likely God does not tell us so christian people. Who have time . Will baptize their baby's so they can be sure they are in heaven in case they die.


what
we do know for sure!  their is only one way to heaven for all people and babies are people to ,and that is through faith in Jesus .


John 14:6

 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[Hehealedme]

you are obviously  still bothered by the fact your baby wasn't baptized.
it seems you would have if there was more time .

No I am not bothered about that...I had time to have him baptized...he died a few hours later...

That priest was a wolf in disguise, preaching lies like a lot of them do...they keep people blinded by telling them not to study the Bible...no wonder so many so-called born-again Catholics are lost...

I don't need your ''honesty''...thank you very much...I KNOW for a fact that my son is in Heaven and no one will ever make me change my mind about this...and not because he was baptized, it has nothing to do with the ritual of baptism...and it has nothing to do with my son having had faith in Jesus either because I doubt very much that he did since he was too young to understand or make a choice on his own...he simply didn't know any better so he can't be held accountable as he was innocent in his spirit...

Gabriel was saved by God's Grace!...Amen!...

[ex cathedra]

you are obviously  still bothered by the fact your baby wasn't baptized.
it seems you would have if there was more time .

No I am not bothered about that...I had time to have him baptized...he died a few hours later...

That priest was a wolf in disguise, preaching lies like a lot of them do...they keep people blinded by telling them not to study the Bible...no wonder so many so-called born-again Catholics are lost...

I don't need your ''honesty''...thank you very much...I KNOW for a fact that my son is in Heaven and no one will make me change my mind...and not because he was baptized, it has nothing to do with the ritual of baptism...and it has nothing to do with my son having had faith in Jesus either because I doubt very much that he did since he was too young to understand or make a choice on his own...he simply didn't know any better so he can't be held accountable as he was innocent in his spirit...Gabriel was saved by God's Grace!...Amen!...

I  doubt your whole story .
yet your beliefs are  once again easily disproved by scripture.

if your child was not accountable for sin.

 than only a cruel and hateful god would let his curse  fall on him or her  to.


Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Psalm 51:5

 5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
       sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

[Hehealedme]

Ok, time out...you think that I am lying?...explain yourself now, I will wait until you are finished with your response before I reply again...you will have plenty of time since I am going to bed for the night...



ps: before I go...I posted a few months ago something about what happens to people that never had the opportunity to know Jesus whether because they were too young or simply because they never heard His name...I was mocked, I was called a Jehovah Witness...which I know that I am not...

I could find that article and post it here tomorrow if you want...you will judge for yourself...

Now I am really going to bed...
Good night...
 

[Hehealedme]

Here is the article I mentionned last night...

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/tw-bk.cgi?category=Booklets1&item=1104339431

[ex cathedra]

Here is the article I mentionned last night...

http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/tw-bk.cgi?category=Booklets1&item=1104339431

John 3:16-19 (New International Version)

 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

[DCR]

Hey, why do you say that I am angry?...I don't understand what you mean about that...may it be because my understanding of the English language isn't good enough again?...

Actually, you have a better command of the English language than some of the other posts in this thread.  At least, your posts are more intelligible (including better spelling and grammar).  

I actually have trouble understanding ex cathedra's posts too.  And, I'm a native English speaker. 

The problem is not so much an issue of language as it is an issue of logic.

[DCR]

Dear Anna baptist of persuasion person .

I think "Anabaptist" is the term you're trying to use.  But, it's not entirely accurate.  That refers to a specific movement in 16th Century Europe, from which a small handful of groups have descended.  There are plenty of groups today who don't practice infant baptism, who aren't included in the historical Anabaptist movement.

I do think it's interesting in scripture that every baptism account was for persons who were willingly baptized and made it known their faith in Christ.  There's a disconnect in your reasoning that no one can be saved without trusting Jesus, therefore infants should be baptized.  It just doesn't follow.  

But, whatever... I'm sure it makes sense to you.

Don't be concerned about families who have lost infant children without having them baptized.  If people are not from a tradition that practices infant baptism, then they generally are not going to regret not having their infants baptized.  They'll trust God for the salvation of those infants.  I would hate to think that whether a baby goes to heaven or not is dependent on the actions of its parents.

[ex cathedra]

Hey, why do you say that I am angry?...I don't understand what you mean about that...may it be because my understanding of the English language isn't good enough again?...

Actually, you have a better command of the English language than some of the other posts in this thread.  At least, your posts are more intelligible (including better spelling and grammar).  

I actually have trouble understanding ex cathedra's posts too.  And, I'm a native English speaker. 

The problem is not so much an issue of language as it is an issue of logic.

Thank you

your Right
about us believing scripture rather than our logic.

the place of human logic, human reason , is exactly what divides Lutherans from the rest of Christianity.


Lutherans place God's word over  human logic.


 non Lutheran Christians  place human logic over  Gods word .


This is ALSO  why Luther would not shake hands with Zwingli .This is why confessional Lutherans  will not  allow non confessional lutherans
in lutheran  pulpits or allow non Lutherans to hold any Leading place in lutheran worship including marriage services  or funeral services   or  lead prayers  lead worship or attend our communion tables .


here is a typical example of what we find wrong with non lutherans.


 Jesus took the bread broke it  and said   "this is my Body" Luther believed God ----------- Zwingli rejected Jesus AT HIS WORD
 the true  God  WHO NEVER LIES   And is ALWAYS able to carry out  what he says !
 YET SHAMFULY Zwingli  believed "his OWN logic"-----puting his own logic  over Gods always, trust worthy word.






                    Esays A PERSON CAN READ ON THE PLACE OF REASON

 wisconsin Lutheran seminary


http://www.wlsessays.net/subject/R/Reason
Faith and Reason in Martin Luther   
Reason as Instrument   
Reason Made Captive to Scripture   
The Place of Reason in Lutheran Theology   
The Problem of Time and Space   
The True Reconstruction of the Church

   

[ex cathedra]

Dear Anna baptist of persuasion person .

I think "Anabaptist" is the term you're trying to use.  But, it's not entirely accurate.  That refers to a specific movement in 16th Century Europe, from which a small handful of groups have descended.  There are plenty of groups today who don't practice infant baptism, who aren't included in the historical Anabaptist movement.

I do think it's interesting in scripture that every baptism account was for persons who were willingly baptized and made it known their faith in Christ.  There's a disconnect in your reasoning that no one can be saved without trusting Jesus, therefore infants should be baptized.  It just doesn't follow.  

But, whatever... I'm sure it makes sense to you.

Don't be concerned about families who have lost infant children without having them baptized.  If people are not from a tradition that practices infant baptism, then they generally are not going to regret not having their infants baptized.  They'll trust God for the salvation of those infants.  I would hate to think that whether a baby goes to heaven or not is dependent on the actions of its parents.

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we take Gods word at face value it is obvious many don't and use logic to reject Gods word about baptism.

Luke 7:30
30But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)

John 3:5-6

 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.


Acts 2:38-39

 38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."