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« on: January 03, 2009, 03:57:38 PM »

I find it very interesting that Luther, who fought against the Catholic church......now the churches named after Luther, now follow Catholic doctrines which Luther fought so hard against.

Amazing !
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2009, 06:48:44 PM »

Got any particular doctrines in mind?  Btw, we are not Lutherians.   Smile
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2009, 07:29:42 PM »

Hm...I don't think they do...

I was 12 years in a lutheran church and I don't know any catholic doctrine in the lutheran church.

explain it more please
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 10:54:25 AM »

Sunday worship services, comes to mind, at the moment.

It is a holdover from the Roman Catholic church.

Also, I have seen in one Lutheran church, a statue of Mary.

And, I have wondered about it being there.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 11:03:19 AM »

Sunday worship services, comes to mind, at the moment.
It is a holdover from the Roman Catholic church.

LOL. Saturday Sabbath worship is a holdover from Judaism. Get real.
The first Christians worshiped on Sunday.

Also, I have seen in one Lutheran church, a statue of Mary.
And, I have wondered about it being there.

Hellooooo. Have you ever heard the word "Art"? Art is art: Paintings, statuary, music; Artistic expressions are expressions of the human heart. The idea that there is something wrong with that is more of a Muslim concept than a Christian one.


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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 12:09:00 PM »


Sunday worship services, comes to mind, at the moment.
It is a holdover from the Roman Catholic church.

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Saturday Sabbath worship is a holdover from Judaism. Get real.
The first Christians worshiped on Sunday.
OH...and where in the Bible do you find  that ?

Also, I have seen in one Lutheran church, a statue of Mary.
And, I have wondered about it being there.

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Hellooooo. Have you ever heard the word "Art"? Art is art: Paintings, statuary, music; Artistic expressions are expressions of the human heart. The idea that there is something wrong with that is more of a Muslim concept than a Christian one.


Yet, the Bible tells us......

Exodus 20:4  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 

  20:5   Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 12:19:37 PM »

Artwork isn't an idol.
Good grief.

As for the first Christians worshipping on Sunday, you need to read historical works. They all attest to the fact that the first Christians worshipped on Sunday.
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2009, 01:34:50 PM »

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I'm probably wasting my time with this reply, but you are showing a desire to make the Bible say what you WANT it to say when you put Ex 20:4 in bold - because you want to try to make a point with verse 4, even though verse 5 explains that any images that are made are not to be worshipped. 
So, as any reasonable person can see, it is not the MAKING of images that is forbidden, it is the WORSHIPPING of images that is forbidden.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2009, 01:45:05 PM »

Artwork isn't an idol.
Good grief.

As for the first Christians worshipping on Sunday, you need to read historical works. They all attest to the fact that the first Christians worshipped on Sunday.
Ahem.....Bible Scripture please, to back up your statement....since the Bible tells us about the first Christians.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2009, 02:09:56 PM »

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

3am, do you have evidence that the early Christians met on a different day?
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2009, 02:14:28 PM »

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

3am, do you have evidence that the early Christians met on a different day?

No, he doesn't. But he will proceed to quote a bunch of verses that have nothing to do with the matter anyway.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2009, 02:52:30 PM »

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No, he doesn't. But he will proceed to quote a bunch of verses that have nothing to do with the matter anyway.

I had not noticed that.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 04:08:06 PM »

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

3am, do you have evidence that the early Christians met on a different day?


Sooo...then: when is the first day of the week? At the moment its Monday, before it was Sunday, right? And before that? It changed sooo often, that you can't say, that Sunday was the first day...
and I don't think, that they did it because of religious things, because living in faith is not religious^^
so it doesn't matter, when we have our service
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God's doing his part all the time. He loves you more than anyone else ever will and will not keep his hands out of your life. Sometimes we cooperate and sometimes we don't and that can affect how things sort out.

Until you discover how to trust God for everything in your life you will constantly seek to control others for the things you think you need."
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2009, 04:19:21 PM »


Also, I have seen in one Lutheran church, a statue of Mary.

And, I have wondered about it being there.

Oh, really? I never saw that...I am wondering too...even it would be only art (a church is not a museum), I am wondering, because it is catholic right. I have never seen a catholic church without a mary-statue and never saw a Lutheran church with one...

And a church is not a museum...there were a lot of pictures in churches about some scenes from the bible, because earlier (a few hundret years ago) most of the people couldn't read, but they knew jesus life because of the pictures, but know in the western-world it doesn't have to be there....also what tells us only one mary statue about Jesus? Nothing...In a catholic church it's normal, but not in a Lutheran... (I am only wondering^^)
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"You grew up with the idea that your goodness would actually controll the way God treats you! If you do your part, he has to do his!
But:
God's doing his part all the time. He loves you more than anyone else ever will and will not keep his hands out of your life. Sometimes we cooperate and sometimes we don't and that can affect how things sort out.

Until you discover how to trust God for everything in your life you will constantly seek to control others for the things you think you need."
(from the book: So you don't want to go to church anymore- Jake Colsen)
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 04:23:11 PM »

Sooo...then: when is the first day of the week? At the moment its Monday, before it was Sunday, right?

Wrong. For the Jew, the first day of the week is the day which follows the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath is Saturday, the first day of the week is Sunday.
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