WHY Do the Lutherians still Hold onto Catholic Doctrines

[princessofgod]

Sooo...then: when is the first day of the week? At the moment its Monday, before it was Sunday, right?

Wrong. For the Jew, the first day of the week is the day which follows the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath is Saturday, the first day of the week is Sunday.

...since....and since when!?
Give me a bibel-verse....
so I know, we are not the first christians...

[Tu Es Petrus]

Sooo...then: when is the first day of the week? At the moment its Monday, before it was Sunday, right?

Wrong. For the Jew, the first day of the week is the day which follows the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath is Saturday, the first day of the week is Sunday.

...since....and since when!?
Give me a bibel-verse....
so I know, we are not the first christians...

A bible verse? Come on. God created for six days, and on the seventh day he rested. That is the Sabbath. Ergo, the day after the Sabbath is the first day of the week.

The Sabbath is Saturday. The next day is Sunday. Simple.

[3AM]

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

3am, do you have evidence that the early Christians met on a different day?

Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,  
 The term: 'as his manner was'...indicates that it was something he did often.

Whereas Acts 20:7 was a one-time deal....never more was it mentioned, as anyone ever doing it again.

Acts 20 was a farewell meeting for Paul, it was something that would never happened again....as they would never see Paul again, in their lifetime....as it says in
  20:37   And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him, 
  20:38   Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him unto the ship. 

Furthermore Acts 25 says this....
25:8   While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all. 

How could he have said that, if he had been observing Sunday worship services often ?

[Tu Es Petrus]

Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 
 The term: 'as his manner was'...indicates that it was something he did often.

Gee, he had been a Pharisee his whole life. And his manner was to go to the Synagogue. Surprise surprise.

As I posted in another thread:

Adventists try to bolster their position by pointing out that Paul often went to the synagogue on Saturday (Acts 13:14, 44, 18:4). Paul did this because his pattern was to preach the gospel to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles (Acts 13:46). By going to a synagogue on Saturday, he would be assured the opportunity to preach to a large number of Jews (as he did in Acts 13:15ff and 18:4).

By this Paul was doing what he always did, meet people on their own ground in order to win them to Christ. "For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the [Mosaic] law I became as one under the law--though not being myself under the law--that I might win those under the law" (1 Cor. 9:19-20).

Going to the synagogue on Saturday was simply a shrewd evangelistic strategy on Paul's part, not a binding command for all Christians. The fact Paul went to the synagogue on Saturday does nothing to change the fact that the sabbath is not binding since it was part of the law of Moses, which has passed away (Rom. 6:14, Col. 2:13-17).

[extranos]

3,

Romans 14

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

 9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
   " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
   'every knee will bow before me;
      every tongue will confess to God.' " 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another.

Saturday is sacred to you, Sunday is sacred to me.  Stop passing judgement on me.
Thank you very much!

[3AM]

Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 
 The term: 'as his manner was'...indicates that it was something he did often.

Gee, he had been a Pharisee his whole life. And his manner was to go to the Synagogue. Surprise surprise.

As I posted in another thread:

Adventists try to bolster their position by pointing out that Paul often went to the synagogue on Saturday (Acts 13:14, 44, 18:4). Paul did this because his pattern was to preach the gospel to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles (Acts 13:46). By going to a synagogue on Saturday, he would be assured the opportunity to preach to a large number of Jews (as he did in Acts 13:15ff and 18:4).

By this Paul was doing what he always did, meet people on their own ground in order to win them to Christ. "For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the [Mosaic] law I became as one under the law--though not being myself under the law--that I might win those under the law" (1 Cor. 9:19-20).

Going to the synagogue on Saturday was simply a shrewd evangelistic strategy on Paul's part, not a binding command for all Christians. The fact Paul went to the synagogue on Saturday does nothing to change the fact that the sabbath is not binding since it was part of the law of Moses, which has passed away (Rom. 6:14, Col. 2:13-17).

Acts  17:2   And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 
 The term: 'as his manner was'...indicates that it was something he did often.

Gee, he had been a Pharisee his whole life. And his manner was to go to the Synagogue. Surprise surprise.

As I posted in another thread:

Adventists try to bolster their position by pointing out that Paul often went to the synagogue on Saturday (Acts 13:14, 44, 18:4). Paul did this because his pattern was to preach the gospel to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles (Acts 13:46). By going to a synagogue on Saturday, he would be assured the opportunity to preach to a large number of Jews (as he did in Acts 13:15ff and 18:4).

By this Paul was doing what he always did, meet people on their own ground in order to win them to Christ. "For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the [Mosaic] law I became as one under the law--though not being myself under the law--that I might win those under the law" (1 Cor. 9:19-20).

Going to the synagogue on Saturday was simply a shrewd evangelistic strategy on Paul's part, not a binding command for all Christians. The fact Paul went to the synagogue on Saturday does nothing to change the fact that the sabbath is not binding since it was part of the law of Moses, which has passed away (Rom. 6:14, Col. 2:13-17).

Then why, when the gentiles asked Paul to preach to them...he told them to come back the NEXT SABBATH DAY ?

Acts  13:42   And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. 
  13:43   Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 
  13:44   And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why didn't Paul simply say: "Come back tomorrow (Sunday), the 1st day of the week) ?

[3AM]

3,

Romans 14

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike.

What do we care what men say....What does God say ?

[extranos]

3,
It was (not really) great talking with you.  I've made the relevant Scriptural points and so I am done with this thread.
Bye bye

[3AM]

3,
It was (not really) great talking with you.  I've made the relevant Scriptural points and so I am done with this thread.
Bye bye

Couldn't stand to hear what the rest of the Bible says ?

OK...Bye

[extranos]

Couldn't stand to hear what the rest of the Bible says ?

No, it was specifically your unrelated and bizarre answers that made me leave.

[princessofgod]

Sooo...then: when is the first day of the week? At the moment its Monday, before it was Sunday, right?

Wrong. For the Jew, the first day of the week is the day which follows the Sabbath. Since the Sabbath is Saturday, the first day of the week is Sunday.

...since....and since when!?
Give me a bibel-verse....
so I know, we are not the first christians...

A bible verse? Come on. God created for six days, and on the seventh day he rested. That is the Sabbath. Ergo, the day after the Sabbath is the first day of the week.

The Sabbath is Saturday. The next day is Sunday. Simple.

I dont say, that the first day isnt after the sabbath, but what i said was, that you dont know, if the sabbath was always the saturday....maybe it was a friday or a wednesday earlier? I dont talk about now,

and really: its not important, so we shouldnt make something as a rule...Its important for God, that we have a free-day in a week, where we dont work, but it doesnt have to be a sunday or saturday....doctors cant decide, they are also needed on sundays...and so on...

[Tu Es Petrus]

3,
It was (not really) great talking with you.  I've made the relevant Scriptural points and so I am done with this thread.
Bye bye

Parenthetically speaking.
LOL

[Bocephus]

Sunday worship services, comes to mind, at the moment.

It is a holdover from the Roman Catholic church.

Also, I have seen in one Lutheran church, a statue of Mary.

And, I have wondered about it being there.

Worshipping Christ on the 1st day of the week?  That is a holdover from Troas.

[3AM]

I dont say, that the first day isnt after the sabbath, but what i said was, that you dont know, if the sabbath was always the saturday....maybe it was a friday or a wednesday earlier? I dont talk about now,

and really: its not important, so we shouldnt make something as a rule...Its important for God, that we have a free-day in a week, where we dont work, but it doesnt have to be a sunday or saturday....doctors cant decide, they are also needed on sundays...and so on...

OH...the Bible tells us which day is the sabbath day.

God does not tell us which day to observe as the sabbath, without telling us which day that is.....

Luke  23:52   This [man] went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.  
  23:53   And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.  
  23:54   And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.  
  23:55   And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.  
  23:56   And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.   
Chapter 24

  24:1   Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.  
  24:2   And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.  
  24:3   And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.  

[Bocephus]

I dont say, that the first day isnt after the sabbath, but what i said was, that you dont know, if the sabbath was always the saturday....maybe it was a friday or a wednesday earlier? I dont talk about now,

and really: its not important, so we shouldnt make something as a rule...Its important for God, that we have a free-day in a week, where we dont work, but it doesnt have to be a sunday or saturday....doctors cant decide, they are also needed on sundays...and so on...

OH...the Bible tells us which day is the sabbath day.

God does not tell us which day to observe as the sabbath, without telling us which day that is.....

Luke  23:52   This [man] went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. 
  23:53   And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 
  23:54   And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. 
  23:55   And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. 
  23:56   And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.   
Chapter 24

  24:1  Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them. 
  24:2   And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. 
  24:3   And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. 

There is no question that the Sabbath is the 7th Day.  However, we are not Jews.  Christians worshipped on the 1st day before any modern day Roman Catholic Church, Acts 20 is just one example of worship on the 1st day.