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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #35 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 13:25:42 »
God appoints shepherds to guide and guard the flock, and to gauge the spiritual health of the sheep. He is to make godly decisions for the flock. Since when does a shepherd consult the sheep as to what is best for them? He answers to God and does the Lord's will concerning them.

In reply No 20 you said women should be able to vote. Now you are saying there should not be a vote. Which is it?

Men and women are not offered a vote in the running of the church I go to. We have a Spirit-led staff.

What I meant there was in a congregational church denomination no one should be excluded from voting if the people are offered a voting say in things. Men and women are equal before the Lord in all things, and are gifted alike in spiritual gifts by Holy Spirit and in service to their King.

Because of Jesus Christ, men and women are restored to the pre-Fall status in the eyes of God, when Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless and walked with the Lord in intimate communication and in perfect fellowship with one another, serving the Father and working side by side in every aspect of life and service.
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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #36 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 20:20:41 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.

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« Reply #37 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 20:32:11 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.

No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #38 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 21:26:54 »
I was going to argue the point but after looking at a bunch of different translations I guess you are right. This isn't how I was taught back in the King James version days.

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« Reply #39 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 21:32:00 »
I was going to argue the point but after looking at a bunch of different translations I guess you are right. This isn't how I was taught back in the King James version days.

I think you are very good to say so...most people have the wrong idea because of the King James Version-meets-20th century English.

Besides, the helper is not always subservient to the one who is helped. the word, 'prostatis', used to denote Phoebe of Cenchrae, is the same word used for Caesar, who from his powerful position helped many.

God helps me. Is He subservient to me? when I help my husband, I am helping him from a place of strength, and the same holds true for him. Together we are one powerful entity.
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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #40 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 21:47:39 »
Because of my prostatis I have to get up in the middle of the night and walk to the little room down the hall.
 (sorry, I have been working on my Sunday school lesson for the last hour and I needed a break from all the serious stuff  ::blushing::)

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« Reply #41 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 21:52:49 »
Because of my prostatis I have to get up in the middle of the night and walk to the little room down the hall.
 (sorry, I have been working on my Sunday school lesson for the last hour and I needed a break from all the serious stuff  ::blushing::)



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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #42 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 22:44:49 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.

No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.

Equal in value does not mean equal in function.

Read 1 Tim 3.

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« Reply #43 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 23:00:27 »
Haven't read the thread, but I'm assuming that the reason Ms. Bachmann left this Wels guy is that her husband found out.

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #44 on: Sat Jul 16, 2011 - 23:04:24 »
Haven't read the thread, but I'm assuming that the reason Ms. Bachmann left this Wels guy is that her husband found out.

Maybe she realized that the one true church of Christ, the SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE, is the Bible Church.

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #45 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 05:37:59 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.

No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.

Equal in value does not mean equal in function.

Read 1 Tim 3.

The inequality is in the mind of man.

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #46 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 14:25:07 »
This thread is reopened.

God Bless You All,

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #47 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 14:46:27 »
Locked or unlocked.  I am so confused. 

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #48 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 14:50:15 »
Why are posts being deleted?

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« Reply #49 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 14:54:21 »
Locked or unlocked.  I am so confused.  

Nothing to be confused about Santa Clauss has come to town . YOU BETTER BE GOOD ..YOU BETTER NOT CRY .. IM TELLING YOU WHY ..

HATED PIETISM IS IN TOWN tHE GREAT ENEMY OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST..



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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #50 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 14:56:26 »
Locked or unlocked.  I am so confused.  

Nothing to be confused about Santa Clauss has come to town . YOU BETTER BE GOOD ..YOU BETTER NOT CRY .. IM TELLING YOU WHY ..




Santa Claus?

ex cathedra

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« Reply #51 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 14:57:34 »
PIETISM

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #52 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 15:00:03 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.

No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.

Equal in value does not mean equal in function.

Read 1 Tim 3.

The inequality is in the mind of man.

Bypassing Gods Word may allow your beliefs but it is not advisable

ex cathedra

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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #53 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 15:05:09 »
pietism wants the

Christian faith to be dismissed from its seat in the heart, where Luther had placed it, to the cold regions of the intellect.

example-- he she  must not be a christian because he drinks beer or  i heard him cuss or say bad things  etc ..and those that do that are not as   christian as we are  etc etc ..


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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #54 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 15:06:50 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.

No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.

Equal in value does not mean equal in function.

Read 1 Tim 3.

The inequality is in the mind of man.

Bypassing Gods Word may allow your beliefs but it is not advisable


God's word has been misinterpreted for centuries in this area. It is foolish to assign any status to any of Jesus' followers. Holy Spirit gifts who He will, and He never checks between the legs before doing so. It seems though, that people do before they allow or disallow certain people to exercise their callings, however...which will be judged for pride before the throne.


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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #55 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 15:18:48 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.


No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.


Equal in value does not mean equal in function.

Read 1 Tim 3.


The inequality is in the mind of man.


Bypassing Gods Word may allow your beliefs but it is not advisable



God's word has been misinterpreted for centuries in this area. It is foolish to assign any status to any of Jesus' followers. Holy Spirit gifts who He will, and He never checks between the legs before doing so. It seems though, that people do before they allow or disallow certain people to exercise their callings, however...which will be judged for pride before the throne.




you must have a poor and different god than lutherans  ---if your god  needs to check you between the legs ,, to find out what you are?  and not know already ...


just for you .. though i don't have to..


 http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/man-and-woman-roles?page=0,3


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Re: Why i think Mrs Bachmann left wels..
« Reply #56 on: Sun Jul 17, 2011 - 15:48:41 »
In Genesis chapter 2, God created Eve to be a helper to Adam. Isn't a helper subservient to the one who is helped? I am not saying that women today should be subservient to their husbands but I am questioning your interpretation of conditions in the Garden of Eden.


No. Eve was created as helper---EQUAL (meet) to Adam.


Equal in value does not mean equal in function.

Read 1 Tim 3.


The inequality is in the mind of man.


Bypassing Gods Word may allow your beliefs but it is not advisable



God's word has been misinterpreted for centuries in this area. It is foolish to assign any status to any of Jesus' followers. Holy Spirit gifts who He will, and He never checks between the legs before doing so. It seems though, that people do before they allow or disallow certain people to exercise their callings, however...which will be judged for pride before the throne.




you must have a poor and different god than lutherans  ---if your god  needs to check you between the legs ,, to find out what you are?  and not know already ...


just for you .. though i don't have to..


 http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/man-and-woman-roles?page=0,3




My God is Jehovah Tsidkenu. According to many people---you?---it seems that Holy Spirit must do a 'Passover' with regard to females in the gifting department.

He gifts men and women---and children---equally with all the spiritual gifts . He expects them to use them. All women are called to preach the Good News to all people, just as men and children are given this same responsibility. No one is exempt from teaching and preaching because of gender. There is no male or female in God's economy.

 

     
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