Hi, how do u feel about these movies? I use to be a big fan of horror until I became born again. I see Jigsaw as an evil God. I don't see any good coming out of a typical slasher film but the Saw series really goes into deep thinking.

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I haven't seen it, and I don't watch horror movies...

[some spoilers for 1st movie]

It seems that the first film might have been trying to send a message ("we should all value life") with the same kind of over-the-top methods used in the brilliant movie Se7en, or maybe Phone Booth. That it fails to do so is a gross understatement.

First, rather than choosing victims based on examples of objective and unusual evil, the villain chooses fairly regular people with minor character flaws. The elaborate traps he sets are simply not warranted for their sins. Now, obviously the villain himself is evil and (at least somewhat portrayed as being) insane, so we should not expect a humane response to these flaws. But any moral force the film might have had is lost in the vast discrepancy between what these people were guilty of and what they had to go through because of it (not that the killer in Se7en's methods were justified or were supposed to be, but they were more compelling).

Second, and this is far worse, the villain was terribly inconsistent in his work. One of the victims, a drug addict, was forced to stab a man to death (while he watched) in order to escape her trap. Well what did that guy do to deserve his grizzly death? Nothing apparently. How does this trap promote the idea that life is to be valued? It doesn't. In fact, how would the murder of the doctor's family make life seem more valuable? This is not just a minor plot hole, it's just stupid.

Third, even if the villain had good reasons for his traps (which he does not) and even if he were consistent in his methods (which he isn't) that still would not explain  the actions or choice of the orderly. Why would the villain choose the one person in the film that was actually portrayed as being somewhat kind to be the executioner of an innocent mother and daughter? How does that promote a valued life? And why would the orderly do it? Some have guessed that he was apparently weak and easily manipulated (thus his character flaw). But this will not do as an explanation. Being weak is not enough to explain someone's willingness to do something like that. Even being poisoned is not enough - why not simply call Poison Control moron! The orderly knew the killer was nowhere near him - he could have easily called the cops and saved everyone. Instead, he is portrayed as actually enjoying his task of frightening the family. What the heck??? OK, maybe that was his flaw but then how would being allowed to get away with it be a lesson?

All that to say that I think even the positive (although anemic) message of the film is obliterated by a poorly told story that uses a severely lacking morality as nothing more than a springboard for creative violence and torture.

Never seen them, don't intend to.