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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2009, 02:17:07 PM »

kids do not know what they are getting into when they get baptised.  I believe in infint dedication, not baptisim.

Neither did 8 day old jewish boys when they were circumsized.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 02:24:05 PM »

kids do not know what they are getting into when they get baptised.  I believe in infint dedication, not baptisim.

There essentially the same thing if you teach the child that they have to make their own decision about God, upon adulthood. If you tell them their infant baptism will save them...yes that would be a lie. No harm in either ceremony though.
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2009, 02:57:45 PM »

kids do not know what they are getting into when they get baptised.  I believe in infint dedication, not baptisim.

There essentially the same thing if you teach the child that they have to make their own decision about God, upon adulthood. If you tell them their infant baptism will save them...yes that would be a lie. No harm in either ceremony though.


Well seems you and I finally disagree on something...lol.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2009, 03:15:25 PM »

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John Hunt, a 58-year-old from London and one of the first to try to be "de-baptised," held that he was too young to make any decision when he was christened at five months old.

Infant baptism is wrong and unbiblical.  I can understand people being upset that they were baptized into this or that church or religion, before they were old enough to make the choice for themselves.  If this unbiblical practice had not been performed on so many to young to make the decision for themselves, we might not even be seeing this movement today.


There is a ton of scriptural and historical evidence for infant baptism... so to say it is unbiblical is your own opinion.. and to be honest, I view it as an outright lie on your part.




There is a TON of evidence?   I consider that a lie on YOUR part.
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2009, 03:30:14 PM »

 Well, I think Bush is good, but off topic. People really do not need an excuse to quit following the Lord, if they are really his, then the relationship is real and between the Lord and the saved. the " I never knew you" part of scripture comes to mind. Not " I knew you once, and now do not."
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2009, 03:31:11 PM »

Just do a little research on what Paul said during penticost.. (for your children).. entire households were baptised.. Justin the Martyr, Polycarp, iraneus, etc.

If you really what to know what the bible teaches on the subject you have to understand the culture of when it was written.  Family culture was devoid of individualism back then.
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2009, 03:34:50 PM »

Well seems you and I finally disagree on something...lol.

Which part? That the ceremonies are harmless?
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2009, 03:52:38 PM »

"the love of most will grow cold"  -  Jesus

"Let no one in any way deceive you, for it (The Day of the Lord) will not come unless the apostasy (falling away) comes first..."  (2 Thess 2:3)


Come Lord Jesus.  Amen!
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2009, 05:12:11 PM »

My wife experienced Dee baptism.
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2009, 05:21:10 PM »

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John Hunt, a 58-year-old from London and one of the first to try to be "de-baptised," held that he was too young to make any decision when he was christened at five months old.

Infant baptism is wrong and unbiblical.  I can understand people being upset that they were baptized into this or that church or religion, before they were old enough to make the choice for themselves.  If this unbiblical practice had not been performed on so many to young to make the decision for themselves, we might not even be seeing this movement today.


There is a ton of scriptural and historical evidence for infant baptism... so to say it is unbiblical is your own opinion.. and to be honest, I view it as an outright lie on your part.

That attack was uncalled for...if there is scriptural evidence for infant baptism, then please provide it.

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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2009, 01:01:02 PM »


There is a ton of scriptural and historical evidence for infant baptism... so to say it is unbiblical is your own opinion.. and to be honest, I view it as an outright lie on your part.

How about showing us some of that scriptural evidence? Historical evidence means nothing to me (that's just man's opinion, but scripture that says, "You must baptize your infants so that they will go to heaven", or something like that, will work. However, it has to be absolutely clear that it says that babies must be baptized to be saved. Otherwise, THAT is just YOUR opinion.

We are told in God's word that to be saved we must be "born again". We are also told that we must "believe" and "repent"; can a baby do either of those or make a decision to be "born again"? A baby is 'SAFE" until it reaches a point where it is capable of understanding the need for a Saviour. It will automatically go to be with the Lord in its innocence.

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2009, 03:33:25 PM »


We are told in God's word that to be saved we must be "born again". We are also told that we must "believe" and "repent"; can a baby do either of those or make a decision to be "born again"? A baby is 'SAFE" until it reaches a point where it is capable of understanding the need for a Saviour. It will automatically go to be with the Lord in its innocence.




I happen to agree, but do you see that that is also opinion? Just as Tantor cannot provide the specific scripture you asked for, you cannot provide one that says, "Babies are safe until they know they need a savior."

Neither side of that argument can provide a scripture that specifically states what they believe. If both sides understand that, then maybe we'll have less of the "you're a liar/ that's man's opinion" type of posts.
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2009, 09:29:01 PM »

So here's my 2 cents (more like $2 worth), lol.

My grandparents were Catholic when I was born and after much pushing, my parents agreed to have me baptised at the catholic church (and just to "be balanced" my biological father also had me baptized at his Baptist church)when I was a few months old. My g'ma insisted that it was BECAUSE I wasn't old enough to make the decision for myself that it needed to be done. She said it was like the father who would sacrifice to God for his sons. They may not have been taking spiritual responsibility for themselves, so he took responsibility for them.

Many, MANY years later, LOL, as we talked about such things, she further explained that she (personally) felt that parents are responsible for the spiritual well-being of their children and until the child was able to make the decision for themselves, baptism was/is a way to let God know what the parents wishes are(kinda like asking a special protection for them until they decide for themselves later on). She also said, "Raise your children in the ways of God and they may stray, but they'll come back."

She may have been right to a point. I committed horrific atrocities against God, His people, humanity and nature, but I could never bring myself to commit the unforgivable sin that would've sealed my fate. Maybe it was because I had been baptized. Maybe it was because I KNEW I had been baptized. Whatever the reason, it was the only sin I didn't commit.

When I read the article my first thought was, "Calling it child abuse is reeeeally stretching." But my second thought was, "This is a FORMAL and public rejection of God." That's how it struck me, anyway. 

All I know for certain is that my death (at a very young age) was unavoidable and approaching fast. Without the saving grace of God, I would've died the night of my last "encounter" with satan. If I got a leg up because my g'parents made the decision for me until I was old enough to make up my own mind, I thank God for their decision. And if it turns out to be nothing, then I know they cared about my spiritual well-being. Either way, (personally) I don't see it as a bad thing.

Another thought - by contrast, my son was "promised" to satanic priesthood before he was born. I didn't have him baptized (in Christianity or in satanism) and I wasn't born-again until after he was old enough to make up his own mind. When he decided that he wouldn't "go either way" (meaning that he would not seek Christ or satan) something happened to him that I can only explain as a spiritual "fracture". He attends a church, but it doesn't include God, he decided not to pursue satanism or witchcraft, but believes a lot of their doctrine. And somewhere along the line I have to wonder if maybe he would be in a better spiritual state if he had been baptized.

I'm not saying that baptizing babies is for everybody. But I'm VERY aware of our family's spiritual history as shown to me by the Holy Spirit when I became born-again and the role it has played (and continues to play) in my life. Maybe if I had baptized my son...

Hmm.
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2009, 09:16:10 AM »

Interesting Gwen.  I don't know if baptizing him as an infant would have changed anything in the baby.  It might have solidified more the faith of those around him and thus provided a more christian atmosphere to serve as an alternative to the satanic teachings - much of which make some sense and are attractive and "true" enough to gather a growing number of followers. 

Personal decisions are personal.  Making the decision for someone else typically includes making sure that person is surrounded by the opportunities to fulfill the desires of the one making the decision for the child.
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2009, 09:35:57 AM »

On of the better explanations of why those that hold only to adult baptism are hypocritical and do not abide by their own logical standards when it comes to some of their other church practices.  Arguments against infant baptism really do not hold water.


http://www.geocities.com/kwn49/infantbaptism.html

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