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Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« on: Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 12:51:06 »
What a mess.


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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #1 on: Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 13:07:42 »
It is a lot worse than a mess.  If Biden doesn't get a lot of people killed with his screw-up in the whole affair it will be a miracle.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 13:37:33 »
It is a lot worse than a mess.  If Biden doesn't get a lot of people killed with his screw-up in the whole affair it will be a miracle.

He didn't even secure the airport and now that's under fire, and Americans and other foreigners, journalists with their families -  have no way out. He had no exit plan. He's AWOL - went on vacation - the feeble minded liberal. Well, maybe the journalists still on American soil can go looking for him and giggle while asking him about his chocolate, chocolate chip ice cream - like they usually do. Maybe he's in some swimming pool somewhere getting kids to sit on his lap and rub his leg hair.
Remember what Obama said about him? "Don't underestimate his ability to "f**k things up" and Obama's Defense Secretary said Biden had been "wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades." How right they were.

Our military - pray for them. They HAVE to follow the feeble minded dictator's orders whether they want to or not.

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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #3 on: Mon Aug 16, 2021 - 22:21:56 »
According to the AP-

"Guns, ammunition, vehicles, helicopters. The Taliban have grabbed not only political power but also U.S.-supplied firepower as they stand to benefit from the $83 billion American investment in the Afghan forces."

Joe has now supplied the Taliban with the best, most advanced Air Force in that part of the world - no joke. Oh, and fancy drones that cost us tax payers over 8 million each.

He needs to be impeached - and then removed. Yesterday.



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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #4 on: Tue Aug 17, 2021 - 01:44:58 »
Although the UK played only a relatively minor suppprting role - like the US, we too paid "a cost" in personnel lost and maimed - all for what purpose!?. It's an absolutely gut-wrenching business!  What truly is frightening now is the likelihood that this will embolden Muslim fanatics world-wide.   Another supposed "theocracy" that will be welcomed by the likes of Iran.  What of poor Israel,  surrounded by muslim enemies that are determined to wipe it off the map!? What of the poor non-fanatical inhabitants of that region, now faced with a switch in ethical behaviour from some similitude of a democracy to the harsh imposition of a regime  which, certainly for women, will turn the clock back to the 7th Century.  What a waste of human capability!  They will, I hope, soon disacover that there aren't enough female nurses and doctors to cope with the needs of the population - because they will treat women as inferior beings  - only good enough to produce/nurture offspring  and make a home.
 
   Yes, as an earlier reply states - they have been "gifted"(!!!) with the best of military equipment - and will not hesitate to use it!!!

  Much blame so our papers say, can be attributed to the former "government" - riddled with corruption. I read that funds intended to pay the wages of their own forces were diverted into private bank accounts elsewhere.  So it was no surprise that their forces laid down their arms, stripped off their uniforms, and didn't fight the Taliban.

 The old saying that "rats leave a sinking ship" was certainly proved true when the President fled his country!

There is a proverb we all need to remember : "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the helpless, he will [oneday!] cry for help himself and not be heard."
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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #5 on: Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 11:12:24 »
I would but then my post would be removed for language. ::whistle::

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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #6 on: Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 11:23:08 »
I saw Trump's interview with Hannity last night. Sounds like he is already playing President. He said he spoke to the Taliban leader and warned them in no uncertain terms about harming any Americans trying to leave the country or get to the airport to leave the country. I guess since Joe was resting in Camp David.
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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #7 on: Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 17:39:13 »
I saw Trump's interview with Hannity last night. Sounds like he is already playing President. He said he spoke to the Taliban leader and warned them in no uncertain terms about harming any Americans trying to leave the country or get to the airport to leave the country. I guess since Joe was resting in Camp David.

I missed it, but good for him.

Trouble is... if they are not harmed Joey will take credit.

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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #8 on: Thu Aug 19, 2021 - 02:12:19 »
   I feel very upset (as a "bystander") about this gut-wrenching situation!  We all know how the US as a "super-power" has in the past stood for what is good - but now?  What about the US sacrifice at Omaha beach etc, in WW2. As a nation you gave of your very best, with whatever support others were capable of providing. (As the Lord has always done, out of love and concern for Humanity - Immanuel!!!) - but now???

 I looked at a pic in our paper of the Taliban's P,R. man and a translation of his speech - I am no expert analyser of body behaviour - but one could not fail to notice the down-turned corners of the mouth which "speaks" of harshness, inflexibility,  and a lack of compassion for a frightened people, of a different  way of living from that of the Taliban. So, have little hope for the future of Afghanistan!   ::cryingtears:: and ::prayinghard::


   As a child living in Gosport (which like Portsmouth itself, suffered much from German air raids) on the West side of Portsmouth Harbour - I clearly remember walking up to Hardway, which overlooks the upper part of Portsmouth harbour), . where a large flotilla of boats and "ducks" carrying tanks and troops, with many Americans, were massing in preparation for the D-Day landings to fight the Nazis. So I have some little knowledge of the US involvement - with deep and great gratitude!
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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #9 on: Thu Aug 19, 2021 - 04:57:30 »
I would but then my post would be removed for language. ::whistle::
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« Reply #10 on: Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 04:33:00 »
When I first switched on my PC this morning circa 07:15 a.m, and did a quick scan of my favourite websites   BBC etc,, I was surprised to see an article saying that the Russians welcomed the Taliban taking over Afghanistan and "they were just ordinary guys"!!! (Well they would wouldn't they  - anything that negates US efforts, or leaves the US with "egg on it's face"!  Strangely(!), that article seems to have been removed now (circa 10;00). Maybe the "left-leaning" BBC was embarassed by it!  When I look at the map of Europe/Russia - what a conglomeration there is of "satellite" nations around Afghanistan, with names ending in "-istan".  Presumably originally something to do with Islam!!! I expect the Russians are quite delighted and will seek to increase their influence in the area!

  It was sad that NATO was unwilling to "cobble-together" some support force to fill the vacuum left by the US withdrawal - so our UK  minor effort was of little use and hence we also "backed-off"!
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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #11 on: Mon Aug 23, 2021 - 01:53:12 »
Are we ashamed of the withdrawal mess?

   A comment from a maimed UK ex-soldier reported in yestersays Daily Mail : -

Was it worth it?  Probably not.
Did I lose my legs for nothing? Looks like it.
Did my mates die in vain?  Yep.



    - Former UK .soldier Jack Cummings
expresses his fury at the chaos in AFghanistan
after the West's withdrawal.
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Re: Anyone care to discuss Afghanistan?
« Reply #12 on: Sat Aug 28, 2021 - 08:24:52 »
What a mess.

It can be argued with some measure of accuracy that the United States has LOST ANOTHER WAR.   

Allies of America are considering a world in which America can't be depended upon for military enforcement of policy or corporate interests with any certainty.

Fanatic patriots, blinded by past glory on the battlefield, deny any of the recent events in Afghanistan as having a connection with the Vietnam war which America also LOST.

One fellow told me, "we didn't lose the war.  We gave it away."

This statement denies all of history, including Biblical accounts of battle, in which the army left standing on the field is considered the winner.  Some armies are defeated in battle while others simply vacate the premises.   French general Napoleon won many of his initial battles by out maneuvering his opponent.  He won his battles without firing a shot and by forcing the opposing army to retreat before the French.   Chinese general Sun Tzu, whose writings are required reading at West Point, did the same.  Sometimes the Chinese leader won battles by simply bribing the opposing leadership.

Did America lose another war or did America just give it away?  Either way our enemy stands alone on the field of battle.  Any way one chooses to describe it our history books will record that America, as well as the Soviet Union before us, retreated in the face of the enemy.    In America, nobody loses anything any more.  Thus has our society become so corrupt that we lie to ourselves about the condition of our global empire.   It's in retreat and disarray and the situation will only grow worse.

No matter what label one puts on the event, our enemies will see this as weakness and act accordingly.   

Several years ago the Arab news source al Jazeera published a story in which it was said, "unless the United States appeals to Jesus Christ it cannot win the war (in Afghanistan)."  This is a rather strange remark coming from a Muslim news source.   Ultimately it proved to be a prophetic fulfillment and a political reality.   America has turned its back upon Jesus and will NOT succeed in its global adventures until we come to terms with the Master of the Universe.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Aug 28, 2021 - 08:35:21 »
We didn't lose the war in Vietnam; the Democrats gave away South Vietnam to North Vietnam.  We didn't lose the war in Iraq; Obama, a democrat, gave it away to ISIS.  We didn't lose the war in Afghanistan; Joe Biden is giving it away to the Taliban.

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« Reply #14 on: Sat Aug 28, 2021 - 08:37:26 »
We didn't lose the war in Vietnam; the Democrats gave away South Vietnam to North Vietnam.  We didn't lose the war in Iraq; Obama, a democrat, gave it away to ISIS.  We didn't lose the war in Afghanistan; Joe Biden is giving it away to the Taliban.

A statement of truth, truly stated.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun Aug 29, 2021 - 03:43:50 »
 Extract from today's BBC website about the withdrawal - from the UK aspect. Still a large number of British nationals and translators who are qualified for evacuation left behind to the "tender mercies" of the Taliban and ISIS-K,
 
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" No 10 said the number of people evacuated included around 2,200 children, with the youngest just one day old.

Around 5,000 British nationals and their families were airlifted, alongside more than 8,000 Afghan former UK staff and their families and those considered at risk from the Taliban.

In a letter to the armed forces community, Mr Johnson acknowledged the fall of Kabul to the Taliban would have been hard for them to watch.

He added it would be "an especially difficult time for the friends and loved ones of the 457 service personnel who laid down their lives" during the war.

The prime minister said the UK's involvement in Afghanistan "kept al-Qaeda from our door for two decades and we are all safer as a result".

"Whether you are still serving or a veteran, a loved-one, a relation or a friend, you all played your part and you should feel immense pride," he said.

Downing Street said the evacuation included the Royal Air Force's single biggest capacity flight ever, with 436 people carried on a C-17 aircraft.

The mass airlift known as Operation Pitting has been under way since the Taliban took control of the capital, with a deadline of 31 August in place for foreign troops to leave the country.

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has said he thought between 800 and 1,100 eligible Afghans would be left behind, along with around 100 to 150 Britons - although he said some of those were staying willingly.

In a tweet Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer paid tribute to "our brave armed forces and diplomatic staff", saying the country owed them a "great debt of gratitude".

But he said the government must urgently set out a plan for those left behind."
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 One translator left behind who had helped the UK forces  is in fear for his family and self. He has said "our blood may be on P.M. Boris Johnson's hands!"
  As often happens in the UK we talk a lot, the public scream out for action, but then our administrators "drag their feet" when it comes to quick, effective action.  Methinks they are too busy "counting beans" - the costs involved.  Yet each day would-be ("economic" mostly, knowing the UK is a "soft-touch") immigrants pay people-smugglers for boats to make the risky journey across the very busy Channel from France - and what do we "gormless" British do?  Help them and give them free access it seems, to all the benefitswe  UK citizens have!   What a crazy world!!! 
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