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APA revises 'gay gene' theory
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« Reply #1 on: Sun May 17, 2009 - 21:15:56 »
Someone else started a thread saying the opposite the other day.  To him, a gay gene had been discovered and we needed to use this discovery to start curing gay people.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #3 on: Mon May 18, 2009 - 14:58:05 »
I've known that all along and didn't need an "expert" to tell me.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #5 on: Mon May 18, 2009 - 20:31:25 »
Funny thing one runs into so many authorities about so many different things; they are- they are not  back and forth back and forth.  One, heck, this one wonders what difference it really makes.  I know one thing for sure about the question and only one thing GOD will sort it out when HE is ready to do so.  AMEN

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #6 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 00:44:09 »
"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

If there's a "gay" gene, there's a "straight" gene.  So, what?  WHo cares?  We are all God's children, no? He makes no "mistakes" so being gay is as natural as sunlight.  Or, wait, no, the opposite... moonlight.  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #7 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 23:01:22 »
God makes no mistakes, but man does.  The Bible makes it clear that homosexual activity goes against God's design.  Thus, homosexual activity is unnatural and counter to what God had made.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jun 13, 2009 - 17:46:22 »




         F Y I   The Associated Press  and the AMA get together and agree on what are the most outlandish shocking stories and headlines they can invent and then print them.  It sells and sells and sells.


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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #9 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 09:06:33 »
The OP and the news article do not accurately reflect what the APA statement says. The APA brochure says:

"...no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."

That is not the same thing as saying "...that there's no homosexual 'gene'".  It just says that there is no proof that there IS one. Granted, it is almost impossible to prove a negative i.e. that something does not exist. In the abscence of proof that something exists, it is logical to conclude that the thing does not exist. But that is not the same thing as PROVING that something does not exist.

Maybe a minor point, but I believe in accuracy.

Now, before some of you start flaming me, let say for the record that I do not believe in a biological "cause" for homosexuality. I believe that is why "...no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #10 on: Sun Jun 14, 2009 - 14:22:06 »
We are all God's children, no?  ::tippinghat::

NO! Not everyone is a child of God, because that would mean that everyone was born again and going to heaven. Jesus told the Pharisees that they were of their father the devil. Only those who are born again (as Jesus said we must be) are the sons and daughters of God. Everyone else has the devil as their father until they turn to Christ for forgiveness.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Jun 15, 2009 - 01:31:55 »

Is there any chance at all that God's word could be right? The following is just one of the judgments of God against unbelieving mankind in Chapter one.

Romans 1:21-28
21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
 
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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #12 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 10:50:29 »
If there's a "gay" gene, there's a "straight" gene.  So, what?  WHo cares?  We are all God's children, no? He makes no "mistakes" so being gay is as natural as sunlight.  Or, wait, no, the opposite... moonlight.  ::tippinghat::

There are no sexual orientation genes. Being a homosexual is a perversion of the mind and while unrepentant gay/lesbian/trans are under allegiance to satan.

This goes for any sin, anyone who is slave to sin. But being gay is certainly not a blessing, and homosexuals are not children of God, as much as Oprah might like you to believe.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #13 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 17:17:19 »
Maybe there is gene issues that drive homosexual tendencies or block heterosexual tendencies.  That isn't the same as "gay gene" but genes that are turned on (no pun intended) express themselves.  They can't help it. That is what they do for a living.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #14 on: Sun Jun 21, 2009 - 13:58:58 »
The OP and the news article do not accurately reflect what the APA statement says. The APA brochure says:

"...no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors."

That is not the same thing as saying "...that there's no homosexual 'gene'".  It just says that there is no proof that there IS one. Granted, it is almost impossible to prove a negative i.e. that something does not exist. In the abscence of proof that something exists, it is logical to conclude that the thing does not exist. But that is not the same thing as PROVING that something does not exist.


I cannot tell you how many times I have heard athiests try and use a similar arguement against God. It's ridiculous and makes me angry. Proof of God's glory is all around but they just refuse to see it. Sorry for getting off topic but that is how I feel.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #15 on: Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 14:02:06 »
My favorite saying in the world is, Don't put a question mark where God put a period! Without a doubt the bible is clear on this. There is nothing to argue about. Sin is sin and we all know but do sin anyways. But to change your phsical apearence perminately is very sad and i am not sure how god can save those who do. But with God all things are possible. As far as bible verses there is so many i can only say  a phew Romans 1: 18-27 talks about dishonoring the body. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 talks about homosexual and adultry and more. But these are only too there is so much more talking about it. Also my fear is that in the bible the nations who were ok with the homosexual were judged and it was there downfall. I fear that if US allows gay marriage and i mean really allows it that this is be the downfall of our nation and we will no longer be a greatful nation. Which is already happening today. Bible has told of future events and they happen everyday and yet still so many doubt.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #16 on: Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 23:34:38 »
Funny thing one runs into so many authorities about so many different things; they are- they are not  back and forth back and forth.  One, heck, this one wonders what difference it really makes.  I know one thing for sure about the question and only one thing GOD will sort it out when HE is ready to do so.  AMEN

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 00:26:13 »
"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

If there's a "gay" gene, there's a "straight" gene.  So, what?  WHo cares?  We are all God's children, no? He makes no "mistakes" so being gay is as natural as sunlight.  Or, wait, no, the opposite... moonlight.  ::tippinghat::

Awesome post!

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 00:29:32 »
The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.



More about the subject here:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=528376



Hey, no offense but that link doesn't give us too much information. It's basically an article twisting what the APA has been saying for a long time - and that's that sexual orientation is far more complicated than a single "gene."

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #19 on: Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 12:42:11 »
I will rely on the APA for genetic information the same way I rely on plumbers to give me accounting advice and accountants for the solutions to plumbing problems. But in this instance the guy twisted the report to suit his agenda. Great witness there.

There are solid studies showing that women with a particular x chromosone problem are more likely to have gay sons. http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html

There are genetic elements (genes don't control in most disorders, rather make a person more susceptible) to many conditions. That does not mean God made people alcoholic or depressed or prone to be addicted to meth. God didn't pick people to be born with Down's Syndrome, or cleft palate, predisposition to cancer, missing a limb or with spina bifida.

We live in a fallen and imperfect world where people get sick and they die and they have problems and burdens.

This silliness of wanting to disprove a "gay gene" so people can't "use it against God" or so they can't "justify their actions" is just that silliness. We are born as we are born in this imperfect world and the burden is upon us to become disciples of Jesus and live the life of a disciple, not accept and celebrate our imperfection but to wish to cast it off.


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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #20 on: Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 13:58:58 »
Did anyone ever wonder why so much time is spent studying what God has already made clear? Man's findings and research has never been sufficient to anyone OTHER than those that are trying to justify their lifestyle. I've heard Mormons do the same thing about polygamy. I've heard terrorists use this same logic when attempting to kill Christian Americans. Man can say he wants, and always has, but the one true report is that of God's. Homosexuality disgusts Him. The Cathedral of Hope article has been debunked and put into the same category as a 3rd grade book report so let's remain scholarly here please.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 14:08:36 »

Jon-Marc - I've known that all along and didn't need an "expert" to tell me.

larry2 -  rofl  This is one of those times we can use the old familiar expression to the scientific world; doh!   ::doh::

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #22 on: Fri Sep 11, 2009 - 03:02:19 »
As a member of the APA, I get my information directly from them and, therefore, get the entire story.

APA PRESS RELEASE

August 5, 2009
Contact: Kim Mills
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INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT SEXUAL ORIENTATION CHANGE EFFORTS WORK, SAYS APA

Practitioners Should Avoid Telling Clients They Can Change from Gay to Straight

TORONTO—The American Psychological Association adopted a resolution Wednesday stating that mental health professionals should avoid telling clients that they can change their sexual orientation through therapy or other treatments.

The "Resolution on Appropriate Affirmative Responses to Sexual Orientation Distress and Change Efforts" also advises that parents, guardians, young people and their families avoid sexual orientation treatments that portray homosexuality as a mental illness or developmental disorder and instead seek psychotherapy, social support and educational services "that provide accurate information on sexual orientation and sexuality, increase family and school support and reduce rejection of sexual minority youth."

The approval, by APA's governing Council of Representatives, came at APA's annual convention, during which a task force presented a report that in part examined the efficacy of so-called "reparative therapy," or sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE).

"Contrary to claims of sexual orientation change advocates and practitioners, there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation," said Judith M. Glassgold, PsyD, chair of the task force. "Scientifically rigorous older studies in this area found that sexual orientation was unlikely to change due to efforts designed for this purpose. Contrary to the claims of SOCE practitioners and advocates, recent research studies do not provide evidence of sexual orientation change as the research methods are inadequate to determine the effectiveness of these interventions." Glassgold added: "At most, certain studies suggested that some individuals learned how to ignore or not act on their homosexual attractions. Yet, these studies did not indicate for whom this was possible, how long it lasted or its long-term mental health effects. Also, this result was much less likely to be true for people who started out only attracted to people of the same sex."

Based on this review, the task force recommended that mental health professionals avoid misrepresenting the efficacy of sexual orientation change efforts when providing assistance to people distressed about their own or others' sexual orientation.

APA appointed the six-member Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation in 2007 to review and update APA's 1997 resolution, "Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation," and to generate a report. APA was concerned about ongoing efforts to promote the notion that sexual orientation can be changed through psychotherapy or approaches that mischaracterize homosexuality as a mental disorder.

The task force examined the peer-reviewed journal articles in English from 1960 to 2007, which included 83 studies. Most of the studies were conducted before 1978, and only a few had been conducted in the last 10 years. The group also reviewed the recent literature on the psychology of sexual orientation.

"Unfortunately, much of the research in the area of sexual orientation change contains serious design flaws," Glassgold said. "Few studies could be considered methodologically sound and none systematically evaluated potential harms."

As to the issue of possible harm, the task force was unable to reach any conclusion regarding the efficacy or safety of any of the recent studies of SOCE: "There are no methodologically sound studies of recent SOCE that would enable the task force to make a definitive statement about whether or not recent SOCE is safe or harmful and for whom," according to the report.

"Without such information, psychologists cannot predict the impact of these treatments and need to be very cautious, given that some qualitative research suggests the potential for harm," Glassgold said. "Practitioners can assist clients through therapies that do not attempt to change sexual orientation, but rather involve acceptance, support and identity exploration and development without imposing a specific identity outcome."

As part of its report, the task force identified that some clients seeking to change their sexual orientation may be in distress because of a conflict between their sexual orientation and religious beliefs. The task force recommended that licensed mental health care providers treating such clients help them "explore possible life paths that address the reality of their sexual orientation, reduce the stigma associated with homosexuality, respect the client's religious beliefs, and consider possibilities for a religiously and spiritually meaningful and rewarding life."

"In other words," Glassgold said, "we recommend that psychologists be completely honest about the likelihood of sexual orientation change, and that they help clients explore their assumptions and goals with respect to both religion and sexuality."

A copy of the task force report may be obtained from APA's Public Affairs Office or at http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/therapeutic-response.pdf.

Members of the APA Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation:

Judith M. Glassgold, PsyD, Rutgers University – Chair
Lee Beckstead, PhD
Jack Drescher, MD
Beverly Greene, PhD, St. John's University
Robin Lin Miller, PhD, Michigan State University
Roger L. Worthington, PhD, University of Missouri

The American Psychological Association, in Washington, D.C., is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 150,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 54 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 60 state, territorial and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting health, education and human welfare.

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
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     That's  very good post Isabell.  I'm sure it must have taken a lot of research.  I fully agree. As I have said
      before on this forum one of my sons is gay and I know he never chose that condition for himself.  That said
      he has done the best he could to make  a life for himself .  He has a middle management job with a large clothing manufacturer.  He owns property in San Francisco and he has had the same partner for the past twelve years.  I think if people would accept the fact that sex is between one's legs and gender is between the ears it would be easier to understand.  I ,myself am satisfied that
JESUS has blessed their union.  If that was not true they would not have been together so successfully for so long.  Thank you Jesus ,Amen.    ::smile::

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Re: APA revises 'gay gene' theory
« Reply #24 on: Sat Sep 12, 2009 - 06:41:48 »
Thank you - I sent it to a (gay) therapist friend.

 

     
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