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August 22
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Re: August 22
« Reply #1 on: Mon Aug 14, 2006 - 21:17:17 »
Ahmadinejad is a radical Islamist who not only wants to destroy Israel but he hopes to bring on the end of the world so that the great Imam (sp?) will make himself known.

To be honest, I believe he has something up his sleeve for that day, and the people may already be in place in Jerusalem to accomplish it.  Hezbollah may have been just the distraction he needed to get the eyes off of him for a little while.

However, I know that every intelligence satellite and all of the agencies in Israel, the U.S., Britain, etc. are trying to determine what he has up his sleeve, if anything. 

This I know - God is still God.  He is still in charge.  Who knows, this day that they claim Mohamed went up to heaven may just be the day God chooses to show how ridiculous that idea is by sending Jesus to once again stand on the Mount of Olives (that is speculation, I am not trying to be a prophet!)

It's a waiting game.  But if nothing happens, I am punching my ticket for a trip to Israel later this year.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #2 on: Mon Aug 14, 2006 - 21:23:59 »
This sort of thing isn't going to away.  It seems the Muslims are constantly making demands.  Nothing quite so repulsive as someone telling me something they believe somehow creates any sort of obligation on my part.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #3 on: Mon Aug 14, 2006 - 21:25:43 »
Nick, Haven't you heard?  The only reason they are making these demands is because the only way world peace is possible is through Islam.   ::doh::

By the way, aren't Hezbollah master politicians.  They are going to rebuild the country to engender themselves to the people.  Hopefully it will result in more seats in the government and then they can get all the power they want democratically, just like Hamas did.  Maybe democracy isn't best for that region. 

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Re: August 22
« Reply #4 on: Mon Aug 14, 2006 - 22:00:07 »
I just watched the unedited CBS interview with Ahmadinejad on C-SPAN, which was done at his request, as I understand it.

He was an articulate spokesperson, but it was not mentioned that he was just a shill for the real powers-that-be, the clerics.

Mike Wallace mentioned the 22nd in passing, with about as much emphasis as his mention of how many kids Ahmadinejad had.  In fact, as the gruffer Mike tried to get, the more charming the Persian rug merchant became, so that by the time it appeared that Mikes insatiable desire to ask stupid questions would prevent the president from his evening prayers, it was hard to pick out the villian in the piece.

BTW, the only real news in the C-SPAN version might have been the headline that ran along the bottom during the piece:  New Yorker magazine seems to have proof that the US knew of Israel's plan to attack Lebanon before their soldiers were even kidnapped.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #5 on: Mon Aug 14, 2006 - 22:06:22 »
I just watched the unedited CBS interview with Ahmadinejad on C-SPAN, which was done at his request, as I understand it.

He was an articulate spokesperson, but it was not mentioned that he was just a shill for the real powers-that-be, the clerics.

Mike Wallace mentioned the 22nd in passing, with about as much emphasis as his mention of how many kids Ahmadinejad had.  In fact, as the gruffer Mike tried to get, the more charming the Persian rug merchant became, so that by the time it appeared that Mikes insatiable desire to ask stupid questions would prevent the president from his evening prayers, it was hard to pick out the villian in the piece.

BTW, the only real news in the C-SPAN version might have been the headline that ran along the bottom during the piece:  New Yorker magazine seems to have proof that the US knew of Israel's plan to attack Lebanon before their soldiers were even kidnapped.

Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
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Re: August 22
« Reply #6 on: Mon Aug 14, 2006 - 22:41:55 »
I was watching the C-Span interview and it was the mention of August 22 that got me to searching on the internet.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #7 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 07:32:32 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #8 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 07:47:05 »
And if this contingency plans didn't exist, the military would be under constant criticism for not planning for ahead. 

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Re: August 22
« Reply #9 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 07:56:04 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.


So?

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Re: August 22
« Reply #10 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 09:30:05 »
In reading the article I am not buying it. Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I would need some hard evidence on that one.

It really doesn't matter because all that is needed to fan the flames is a report saying it is true. That is enough ammo to keep this going.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #11 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 09:54:50 »
It is literally impossible for anything Israel does to Hezbollah to be "pre-emptive". 

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Re: August 22
« Reply #12 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 10:15:18 »
It is interesting that in most of the media I've seen, the message is "Israel attacks".  Funny, because it all started with 100+ rockets firing into Israel from Hezbollah positions.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #13 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 10:54:50 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.


Well it appears they did a royal botch-job of it.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #14 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 14:05:54 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.


Well it appears they did a royal botch-job of it.
They have seized part of Lebanon, and can attack its capital at will.

What is your definition of a botched job?

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Re: August 22
« Reply #15 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 14:08:28 »
It all depends on whose commentary you agree with.  I personally believe Hezbollah has been severely weakened, but they may gain some more support from the people of Lebanon if they play their cards right.  However, in the end, they will lose and Jesus, the King of Kings, will win.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 14:22:06 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.


Well it appears they did a royal botch-job of it.
They have seized part of Lebanon, and can attack its capital at will.

What is your definition of a botched job?


Seizing a part of a foreign country,  being able to attack its capital at will (all at a significant cost) and then giving it back  is my definition of a botched job.

See here:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

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Re: August 22
« Reply #17 on: Tue Aug 15, 2006 - 14:29:32 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.


Well it appears they did a royal botch-job of it.
They have seized part of Lebanon, and can attack its capital at will.

What is your definition of a botched job?


Seizing a part of a foreign country,  being able to attack its capital at will (all at a significant cost) and then giving it back  is my definition of a botched job.

See here:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel


Maybe the Israelis were emulating Julius Caesar's bridge across the Rhine, and his intimidation of the Franks around 55 BC.  Caesar built an impressive wooden bridge in only 10 days.  He and the Roman army marched around the far bank of the river for a few weeks, then crossed back over and destroyed the bridge.  It was an impressive display of power.  Perhaps the Israelis think they have showed Lebannon that this territory can be taken whenever they feel like it.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #18 on: Mon Aug 21, 2006 - 11:28:00 »
Norm, most countries draw up contingency plans to attack certain places based on what happens in the affairs of nations.  It's called being prepared.  If all the New Yorker has are some battle plans against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, that does not mean that they were planning on going in soon, it just means that their intelligence was prepared for the possibility.  The difference is huge.

As a nation we also had battle plans drawn up against Iraq (and many other nations).  That doesn't mean an attack on those nations is imminent, it just means that we are one step closer to being prepared if we have to go to war against that nation.
I am personally very familiar with contingency plans, enough to know that they are very different from "plans to attack."

And, if Seymour Hersh's article has any validity, it was a plan for a pre-emptive strike.


Well it appears they did a royal botch-job of it.
They have seized part of Lebanon, and can attack its capital at will.

What is your definition of a botched job?


Seizing a part of a foreign country,  being able to attack its capital at will (all at a significant cost) and then giving it back  is my definition of a botched job.

See here:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel


Maybe the Israelis were emulating Julius Caesar's bridge across the Rhine, and his intimidation of the Franks around 55 BC.  Caesar built an impressive wooden bridge in only 10 days.  He and the Roman army marched around the far bank of the river for a few weeks, then crossed back over and destroyed the bridge.  It was an impressive display of power.  Perhaps the Israelis think they have showed Lebannon that this territory can be taken whenever they feel like it.
Could be...they have shown to be pretty good at blowing up bridges...

BTW, tomorrow's the Big Day!

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Re: August 22
« Reply #19 on: Mon Aug 21, 2006 - 21:05:24 »
It is now August 22nd in Iran.  The sun will soon be rising there (if it has not already).

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Re: August 22
« Reply #20 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 15:57:52 »
I've been too busy to check.  Are we all still here? The only news I've heard today has to do with Ted Lilly and his manager fighting.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #21 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 16:07:28 »
The only news I've heard is about that guy who said he killed Jon Benet Ramsey.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #22 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 16:16:17 »
Okay, now this is weird.  None of my banking and credit card websites are working.  Tell me it's unrelated.  Please?

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Re: August 22
« Reply #23 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 17:46:17 »
Never, if you didn't take the mark, it won't work.  Didn't you cash out yesterday before this happened?

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Re: August 22
« Reply #24 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 17:51:58 »
Maybe it's August 22nd on the old calendar...

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Re: August 22
« Reply #25 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 20:14:49 »
Never, if you didn't take the mark, it won't work.  Didn't you cash out yesterday before this happened?


EEEEEEEK!!!!!

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Re: August 22
« Reply #26 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 20:16:37 »
I heard someone propse a really great plan -- since Hezbollah (sp?) have said that they've pretty much already taken care of the damages from Israel's attack -- let's hire Hezbollah to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #27 on: Tue Aug 22, 2006 - 20:18:44 »
And the WTC, too, while they're at it?

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Re: August 22
« Reply #28 on: Thu Aug 24, 2006 - 16:27:39 »
I guess they decided to wait till next year.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #29 on: Thu Aug 24, 2006 - 16:34:49 »
Disappointed. I was looking forward to Armageddon, and the Second Coming of our Lord.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu Aug 24, 2006 - 19:28:43 »
You guys know that Iran actually did what they said they were going to do on the 22nd, that is respond to the demands re their nuke program, don't you?

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Re: August 22
« Reply #31 on: Thu Aug 24, 2006 - 20:57:59 »
You guys know that Iran actually did what they said they were going to do on the 22nd, that is respond to the demands re their nuke program, don't you?

Yep.  But the world was wondering if they were going to do something violent as well as responding to the UN demands.

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Re: August 22
« Reply #32 on: Sat Aug 26, 2006 - 01:02:56 »
Wars, and rumors of wars...?

 

     
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