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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2009, 03:22:26 PM »

It wasn't me that claimed anything.. but I do find it rediculous that someone submitted his name by February 1st... he hadn't done anything by that point.

Ah. My mistake. You jumped in on my question to someone else. I didn't bother checking the name.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2009, 03:39:32 PM »

I also think when you look back at President Obama's senate career there isn't much remarkable about it except for the vast amount of uncommitted votes... his senate voting record and speeches were crafted very carefully as to not commit to any legislation that might hurt his chances for the presidency.

So, from an observers point of view, I think there were many other more worthy candidates for the prize.  If he carries through with what he said about Iraq and with drawels from Afghanistan gracefully, then maybe he might deserve the medal at some point.  But at this point, his acceptance of the medal has trivialized everyone's hard work that eventually got them the medal.  No one will ever look at the peace prize the same ever again... and its a shame, it should be earned based on a lifetime of work.
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2009, 05:23:42 PM »

obama was actually nominated back in november 2008 (before he had done anything except talk) and voted as the recipient back in febrary 2009, about 2 weeks into his presidency (before he had done anything except talk).

Source please? The process of nomination and selection is terribly secretive in the Nobel Prizes, so I'd be interested in hearing where you got those dates.


I don't recall where I heard the November date.  It used to be years ago (I think) that the deadline was midDecember.  Anyway, the nomination process is not just submitting a name.  There is a scholarly justification for the nomination that is not likely to be thrown together the night before the deadline!  Thus, the 12 days of leadership as president is likely to be misleading.  Somebody had been working on the nomination letter prior to him being president.  But alas, because it is secretive for 50 years, I have only common sense to suggest a well written argument for selection didn't happen overnight.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2009, 05:47:48 PM »

I don't recall where I heard the November date.  It used to be years ago (I think) that the deadline was midDecember.  Anyway, the nomination process is not just submitting a name.  There is a scholarly justification for the nomination that is not likely to be thrown together the night before the deadline!  Thus, the 12 days of leadership as president is likely to be misleading.  Somebody had been working on the nomination letter prior to him being president.  But alas, because it is secretive for 50 years, I have only common sense to suggest a well written argument for selection didn't happen overnight.

The November date is incorrect.

Please source the information that a scholarly justification must accompany the nomination.
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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2009, 03:17:54 AM »

CONGRATULATIONS, BARACK OBAMA.  Clapping up high   Clapping up high

Some of us are rooting on the continuation of the improved domestic and foreign relations.  It was marvelous to see someone finally mobilize the young people to become involved in the democratic process and to possibly have hope that bigotry is on its way out.  His getting elected was a statement by the majority of the American public and to the world......I hope we ALL do our part to to gain back the American image as a great nation.

I wish more people would remember the saying, "United we rise; divided we fall"
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2009, 04:14:47 AM »

btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?  Past winners include a terrorist (Arafat) and a man who masterminded the killing and overthrow of a Democratically elected ruler (Kissinger).

Exactly;  http://bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com/

Friday, October 9, 2009
The Nobel Farce
 
By David Reagan

Once again the Norwegian Nobel Committee has surprised the world with its Peace Prize Award by granting it to President Barack Obama. Keep in mind this is the same group that gave the award to Al Gore in 2007 and Jimmy Carter in 2002.

What was Al Gore’s accomplishment? The production of a documentary film that propagandized the myth that global warming is due to carbon emissions. Big deal!

And Jimmy Carter? Well, the worst president of the 20th Century distinguished himself as a rabid anti-Semite, a vociferous America-basher, and a gushing tyrant-lover.

And then, of course, there was the worst Nobel Peace Prize of all of them — the one awarded in 1994 to the world’s leading terrorist, Yassar Arafat, a modern-day Hitler. When that occurred, I lost all respect for the Nobel Committee and their meaningless prize.

So, why would the Committee award President Obama the Peace Prize when he has been in office only nine months and has no notable accomplishments on the international scene? There are several reasons:

The President has engaged in America-bashing everywhere he has spoken in the world, as if this nation is the world’s greatest threat to peace, when, in actuality, we have always been the world’s best defender of freedom.
The President has denounced the “Lone Ranger” foreign policy mentality of the Bush Administration, a foreign policy that rightfully put this nation’s interests first and successfully protected us from terrorist attacks for seven years.
The President has praised the immoral values of European law and has expressed a desire to align our laws with those values.
The President has committed himself to instituting domestic reforms that would undermine Capitalism and produce a mirror-image of the failed Socialist economies of Europe.
The President has taken every opportunity to praise the ungodly and violent religion of Islam.
The President has made it clear that he is willing to abandon Israel for the sake of “peace” in the Middle East.
The President has indicated that he is willing to surrender American sovereignty to international organizations.
No wonder the world is enthralled with him and cheering him. No wonder the world desires to give him encouragement.

But his day of reckoning is coming. His terrible mis-management of our economy will catch up with him as unemployment continues to mount and the dollar continues its dive in value. Most important, he is going to suffer the wrath of God on the international scene due to his mis-treatment of Israel.

In short, we are headed for disaster on both the national and international scenes, so the President had better enjoy the world’s spotlight now before all the lights go out.

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2009, 10:50:45 AM »

He has shown, particularly in his Cairo speech in June 2009, an emphasis upon peace and unity, particularly in areas that, through the Bush administration, became alienated (such as the Muslim community).

That's asinine.  All non-muslims are alienated from muslims because we aren't muslims.  Farouk explained it well. 
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Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2009, 10:52:22 AM »

btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?

I'd take it seriously because of the money.

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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2009, 11:04:01 AM »

That's asinine.  All non-muslims are alienated from muslims because we aren't muslims.  Farouk explained it well. 

To repeat myself, America has been alienated from the Muslim world by Bush. Obama has taken steps to repair that relationship.
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2009, 11:07:28 AM »

btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?  Past winners include a terrorist (Arafat) and a man who masterminded the killing and overthrow of a Democratically elected ruler (Kissinger).

Exactly;  http://bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com/

If you view the world as going to hell in a handbasket, that's an understandable view.

I think it's incorrect. That's our difference. Very likely I can't convince you, and you will not be able to convince me.
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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2009, 01:07:46 PM »

I don't recall where I heard the November date.  It used to be years ago (I think) that the deadline was midDecember.  Anyway, the nomination process is not just submitting a name.  There is a scholarly justification for the nomination that is not likely to be thrown together the night before the deadline!  Thus, the 12 days of leadership as president is likely to be misleading.  Somebody had been working on the nomination letter prior to him being president.  But alas, because it is secretive for 50 years, I have only common sense to suggest a well written argument for selection didn't happen overnight.

The November date is incorrect.

Please source the information that a scholarly justification must accompany the nomination.


Like I already said, I don't have anything.  I suppose anybody can throw a name into the hat.  They choose a candidate based on some information and it is unlikely that the committee knows all the candidates personally and grew up with them as kids.



Modified:  What real difference does it make that November or December or January wasn't the real date.  Perhaps the nominating committee did wait until 11:59 January 31 to submit an email "Hey, how about Barak Obama?" and that was all they needed to award the Nobel Peace Prize.  Perhaps you could share some of his accomplishments to give us some insight on how he overshadowed the other candidates. Surely these accomplishments would have been the same as the election committee would have known about.
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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2009, 01:10:43 PM »

That's asinine.  All non-muslims are alienated from muslims because we aren't muslims.  Farouk explained it well. 

To repeat myself, America has been alienated from the Muslim world by Bush. Obama has taken steps to repair that relationship.



Please cite sources.  The muslim world has been alienated long before Bush was even known to exist on this planet.   You can't really believe we were all best friends up until GWB?
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2009, 01:12:50 PM »

Like I already said, I don't have anything.  I suppose anybody can throw a name into the hat.  They choose a candidate based on some information and it is unlikely that the committee knows all the candidates personally and grew up with them as kids.

In others words, the claims you made earlier were incorrect.

I'm not trying to be rude, but it's important that this is established for the sake of the discussion.
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2009, 01:15:28 PM »

Like I already said, I don't have anything.  I suppose anybody can throw a name into the hat.  They choose a candidate based on some information and it is unlikely that the committee knows all the candidates personally and grew up with them as kids.

In others words, the claims you made earlier were incorrect.

I'm not trying to be rude, but it's important that this is established for the sake of the discussion.



Then clear all of our concerns up!  That should be pretty easy to do. 
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2009, 01:16:59 PM »

Please cite sources.  The muslim world has been alienated long before Bush was even known to exist on this planet.   You can't really believe we were all best friends up until GWB?

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=264
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