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Barack Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize
« on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 10:25:13 »
Barack Obama was awarded today with the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, for 'extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.'

I find the award somewhat surprising, though I think it will be well-deserved, if the atmosphere he has generated is any indication. He has shown, particularly in his Cairo speech in June 2009, an emphasis upon peace and unity, particularly in areas that, through the Bush administration, became alienated (such as the Muslim community). That an international committee has honored our President in this way is inspiring. It's no secret that America's reputation has been somewhat slighted by unfortunate comments and actions under the previous Presidential terms. Hopefully this marks a new trust of America that will lead to a level of world peace.

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Re: Barack Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize
« Reply #1 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 10:29:51 »
There's another way of looking at it.

They didn't like George W. Bush and his conservative views.

So they gave the Nobel Prize to the man he beat in 2000.

They still don't like George W. Bush and conservatives.

So they give it to George W. Bush's replacement after less than 8 months in office.

Norwegian liberals are no friends of Christians.

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 10:40:31 »
Can you explain your last sentence?  It seems a bit of a non sequitur (sorry Jaime.)

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 10:41:31 »
btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?  Past winners include a terrorist (Arafat) and a man who masterminded the killing and overthrow of a Democratically elected ruler (Kissinger).

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« Reply #4 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 10:43:18 »
There's another way of looking at it.

They didn't like George W. Bush and his conservative views.

So they gave the Nobel Prize to the man he beat in 2000.

They still don't like George W. Bush and conservatives.

So they give it to George W. Bush's replacement after less than 8 months in office.

Norwegian liberals are no friends of Christians.

You can look at it that way if you like. I personally think that's a bit paranoid.

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 12:06:07 »
btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?  Past winners include a terrorist (Arafat) and a man who masterminded the killing and overthrow of a Democratically elected ruler (Kissinger).

Don't forget Kissinger's co-winner, Le Duc Tho.

[At least the latter had the dignity to decline the "honor."]

Is there anyone who thinks that this won't affect Obama's decision whether  to beef up our forces in Afghanistan?

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 12:22:19 »
ch:

Norwegian liberals are no friends of Christians. That's incontrovertible.

There's another way of looking at it.

They didn't like George W. Bush and his conservative views.

So they gave the Nobel Prize to the man he beat in 2000.

They still don't like George W. Bush and conservatives.

So they give it to George W. Bush's replacement after less than 8 months in office.

Norwegian liberals are no friends of Christians.

You can look at it that way if you like. I personally think that's a bit paranoid.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 12:39:18 »
And that's relevant, because....

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 12:43:14 »
ch:

Norwegian liberals are no friends of Christians. That's incontrovertible.

I'm not entirely sure what this means. How many Norwegian liberals do you know? Why are they not friends of Christians? Do you mean your particular breed of Christianity (that is, conservative)?

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 12:59:04 »
obama was actually nominated back in november 2008 (before he had done anything except talk) and voted as the recipient back in febrary 2009, about 2 weeks into his presidency (before he had done anything except talk).   What has he done since then (except talk) that would clearly add support to all this?  He has officially accepted the award so he doesn't believe that he is undeserving (regardless of what he might say or otherwise he would have rejected the award)

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 13:13:18 »
obama was actually nominated back in november 2008 (before he had done anything except talk) and voted as the recipient back in febrary 2009, about 2 weeks into his presidency (before he had done anything except talk).

Source please? The process of nomination and selection is terribly secretive in the Nobel Prizes, so I'd be interested in hearing where you got those dates.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 15:00:37 »
There's another way of looking at it.

They didn't like George W. Bush and his conservative views.

So they gave the Nobel Prize to the man he beat in 2000.

They still don't like George W. Bush and conservatives.

So they give it to George W. Bush's replacement after less than 8 months in office.

Norwegian liberals are no friends of Christians.

Hummm...  Could be.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 15:10:10 »
Source please? The process of nomination and selection is terribly secretive in the Nobel Prizes, so I'd be interested in hearing where you got those dates.


http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html  seems to confirm it

The deadline for submissions was February 1st... 12 days after his swearing in.


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« Reply #13 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 15:18:10 »
Ah, but that's different than what you claimed. You claimed that he was nominated in November 2008, and was voted the victor in February. That website confirms what I thought was the case: that submissions for nominations ended in February, and that the actual determining process continued over the following months.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 15:19:55 »
Ah, but that's different than what you claimed. You claimed that he was nominated in November 2008, and was voted the victor in February. That website confirms what I thought was the case: that submissions for nominations ended in February, and that the actual determining process continued over the following months.

It wasn't me that claimed anything.. but I do find it rediculous that someone submitted his name by February 1st... he hadn't done anything by that point.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 15:22:26 »
It wasn't me that claimed anything.. but I do find it rediculous that someone submitted his name by February 1st... he hadn't done anything by that point.

Ah. My mistake. You jumped in on my question to someone else. I didn't bother checking the name.

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 15:39:32 »
I also think when you look back at President Obama's senate career there isn't much remarkable about it except for the vast amount of uncommitted votes... his senate voting record and speeches were crafted very carefully as to not commit to any legislation that might hurt his chances for the presidency.

So, from an observers point of view, I think there were many other more worthy candidates for the prize.  If he carries through with what he said about Iraq and with drawels from Afghanistan gracefully, then maybe he might deserve the medal at some point.  But at this point, his acceptance of the medal has trivialized everyone's hard work that eventually got them the medal.  No one will ever look at the peace prize the same ever again... and its a shame, it should be earned based on a lifetime of work.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 17:23:42 »
obama was actually nominated back in november 2008 (before he had done anything except talk) and voted as the recipient back in febrary 2009, about 2 weeks into his presidency (before he had done anything except talk).

Source please? The process of nomination and selection is terribly secretive in the Nobel Prizes, so I'd be interested in hearing where you got those dates.


I don't recall where I heard the November date.  It used to be years ago (I think) that the deadline was midDecember.  Anyway, the nomination process is not just submitting a name.  There is a scholarly justification for the nomination that is not likely to be thrown together the night before the deadline!  Thus, the 12 days of leadership as president is likely to be misleading.  Somebody had been working on the nomination letter prior to him being president.  But alas, because it is secretive for 50 years, I have only common sense to suggest a well written argument for selection didn't happen overnight.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Oct 09, 2009 - 17:47:48 »
I don't recall where I heard the November date.  It used to be years ago (I think) that the deadline was midDecember.  Anyway, the nomination process is not just submitting a name.  There is a scholarly justification for the nomination that is not likely to be thrown together the night before the deadline!  Thus, the 12 days of leadership as president is likely to be misleading.  Somebody had been working on the nomination letter prior to him being president.  But alas, because it is secretive for 50 years, I have only common sense to suggest a well written argument for selection didn't happen overnight.

The November date is incorrect.

Please source the information that a scholarly justification must accompany the nomination.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 03:17:54 »
CONGRATULATIONS, BARACK OBAMA.  ::clappingoverhead::   ::clappingoverhead::

Some of us are rooting on the continuation of the improved domestic and foreign relations.  It was marvelous to see someone finally mobilize the young people to become involved in the democratic process and to possibly have hope that bigotry is on its way out.  His getting elected was a statement by the majority of the American public and to the world......I hope we ALL do our part to to gain back the American image as a great nation.

I wish more people would remember the saying, "United we rise; divided we fall"

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« Reply #20 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 04:14:47 »
btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?  Past winners include a terrorist (Arafat) and a man who masterminded the killing and overthrow of a Democratically elected ruler (Kissinger).


Exactly;  http://bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com/

Friday, October 9, 2009
The Nobel Farce
 
By David Reagan

Once again the Norwegian Nobel Committee has surprised the world with its Peace Prize Award by granting it to President Barack Obama. Keep in mind this is the same group that gave the award to Al Gore in 2007 and Jimmy Carter in 2002.

What was Al Gore’s accomplishment? The production of a documentary film that propagandized the myth that global warming is due to carbon emissions. Big deal!

And Jimmy Carter? Well, the worst president of the 20th Century distinguished himself as a rabid anti-Semite, a vociferous America-basher, and a gushing tyrant-lover.

And then, of course, there was the worst Nobel Peace Prize of all of them — the one awarded in 1994 to the world’s leading terrorist, Yassar Arafat, a modern-day Hitler. When that occurred, I lost all respect for the Nobel Committee and their meaningless prize.

So, why would the Committee award President Obama the Peace Prize when he has been in office only nine months and has no notable accomplishments on the international scene? There are several reasons:

The President has engaged in America-bashing everywhere he has spoken in the world, as if this nation is the world’s greatest threat to peace, when, in actuality, we have always been the world’s best defender of freedom.
The President has denounced the “Lone Ranger

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 10:50:45 »
He has shown, particularly in his Cairo speech in June 2009, an emphasis upon peace and unity, particularly in areas that, through the Bush administration, became alienated (such as the Muslim community).

That's asinine.  All non-muslims are alienated from muslims because we aren't muslims.  Farouk explained it well. 

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 10:52:22 »
btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?

I'd take it seriously because of the money.


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« Reply #23 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 11:04:01 »
That's asinine.  All non-muslims are alienated from muslims because we aren't muslims.  Farouk explained it well. 

To repeat myself, America has been alienated from the Muslim world by Bush. Obama has taken steps to repair that relationship.

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« Reply #24 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 11:07:28 »
btw, why does everyone take this award so seriously?  Past winners include a terrorist (Arafat) and a man who masterminded the killing and overthrow of a Democratically elected ruler (Kissinger).


Exactly;  http://bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com/


If you view the world as going to hell in a handbasket, that's an understandable view.

I think it's incorrect. That's our difference. Very likely I can't convince you, and you will not be able to convince me.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:07:46 »
I don't recall where I heard the November date.  It used to be years ago (I think) that the deadline was midDecember.  Anyway, the nomination process is not just submitting a name.  There is a scholarly justification for the nomination that is not likely to be thrown together the night before the deadline!  Thus, the 12 days of leadership as president is likely to be misleading.  Somebody had been working on the nomination letter prior to him being president.  But alas, because it is secretive for 50 years, I have only common sense to suggest a well written argument for selection didn't happen overnight.

The November date is incorrect.

Please source the information that a scholarly justification must accompany the nomination.


Like I already said, I don't have anything.  I suppose anybody can throw a name into the hat.  They choose a candidate based on some information and it is unlikely that the committee knows all the candidates personally and grew up with them as kids.



Modified:  What real difference does it make that November or December or January wasn't the real date.  Perhaps the nominating committee did wait until 11:59 January 31 to submit an email "Hey, how about Barak Obama?" and that was all they needed to award the Nobel Peace Prize.  Perhaps you could share some of his accomplishments to give us some insight on how he overshadowed the other candidates. Surely these accomplishments would have been the same as the election committee would have known about.
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« Reply #26 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:10:43 »
That's asinine.  All non-muslims are alienated from muslims because we aren't muslims.  Farouk explained it well. 

To repeat myself, America has been alienated from the Muslim world by Bush. Obama has taken steps to repair that relationship.



Please cite sources.  The muslim world has been alienated long before Bush was even known to exist on this planet.   You can't really believe we were all best friends up until GWB?

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« Reply #27 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:12:50 »
Like I already said, I don't have anything.  I suppose anybody can throw a name into the hat.  They choose a candidate based on some information and it is unlikely that the committee knows all the candidates personally and grew up with them as kids.

In others words, the claims you made earlier were incorrect.

I'm not trying to be rude, but it's important that this is established for the sake of the discussion.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:15:28 »
Like I already said, I don't have anything.  I suppose anybody can throw a name into the hat.  They choose a candidate based on some information and it is unlikely that the committee knows all the candidates personally and grew up with them as kids.

In others words, the claims you made earlier were incorrect.

I'm not trying to be rude, but it's important that this is established for the sake of the discussion.



Then clear all of our concerns up!  That should be pretty easy to do. 

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« Reply #29 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:16:59 »
Please cite sources.  The muslim world has been alienated long before Bush was even known to exist on this planet.   You can't really believe we were all best friends up until GWB?


http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=264

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« Reply #30 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:18:48 »
Then clear all of our concerns up!  That should be pretty easy to do.

I have just shown that the concerns you listed earlier were not based upon fact (at least, not the facts you gave). As you have not given any follow-up facts, I assume your concern is based upon some sort of intuition. Something akin to a knee-jerk reaction, likely due to your political sensibilities. As political sensibilities are largely based upon intuition themselves, you are essentially asking me to argue with a mental flourish that you experience. As I have a different mental flourish on this matter, and as we have apparently moved past discussing the facts, I am not capable of clearing up your concerns.

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« Reply #31 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:22:01 »
Please cite sources.  The muslim world has been alienated long before Bush was even known to exist on this planet.   You can't really believe we were all best friends up until GWB?


http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=264




Bush wasn't even mentioned.  In fact, 200+ year US history wasn't mentioned.  Words are just words.  Time will tell.     Feeling good has its place, but eventually results matter.  Only time can separate hopes with reality.  I do hope the future is brighter than the past. Who doesn't want that?

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« Reply #32 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:22:32 »
Then clear all of our concerns up!  That should be pretty easy to do.

I have just shown that the concerns you listed earlier were not based upon fact (at least, not the facts you gave). As you have not given any follow-up facts, I assume your concern is based upon some sort of intuition. Something akin to a knee-jerk reaction, likely due to your political sensibilities. As political sensibilities are largely based upon intuition themselves, you are essentially asking me to argue with a mental flourish that you experience. As I have a different mental flourish on this matter, and as we have apparently moved past discussing the facts, I am not capable of clearing up your concerns.



What?     Modified:  Apparently nobel prize awards are based on intuition from mental flourish.  You haven't offered reasons that the NBP committee would determine that Obama clearly floats to the top of candidates.   If you are needing a direct statement that I don't know all the facts - You are correct.  Now it is your turn, give us the reasons why Barak Obama stands out from the other candidates.
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« Reply #33 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:40:24 »
Bush wasn't even mentioned.  In fact, 200+ year US history wasn't mentioned.  Words are just words.  Time will tell.     Feeling good has its place, but eventually results matter.  Only time can separate hopes with reality.  I do hope the future is brighter than the past. Who doesn't want that?

I think the graphs tell of Bush's effect on foreign policy. I was quite divisive on a number of matters, unfortunately. He certainly wasn't very popular internationally.

But yes. I think we can both agree and celebrate in a hope for a brighter future, whether that is initiated by a Republican, or Democrat, or Palestinian, or Native Australian.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat Oct 10, 2009 - 13:41:33 »
What?     Modified:  Apparently nobel prize awards are based on intuition from mental flourish.  You haven't offered reasons that the NBP committee would determine that Obama clearly floats to the top of candidates.   If you are needing a direct statement that I don't know all the facts - You are correct.  Now it is your turn, give us the reasons why Barak Obama stands out from the other candidates.

I don't pretend to know why he was selected. It surprised me. To be honest, I don't really know any of the persons he was 'running' against. It's a very secretive process.

I simply celebrate that an American won, and what it implies about the atmosphere of the world.