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Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« on: Thu Jul 30, 2020 - 14:29:45 »
Further, some recent studies also have sparked questions about coronavirus immunity. For example, results from a study recently released in preprint that hasn't yet been peer reviewed showed that antibodies developed against the coronavirus in people who'd been infected declined significantly within two to three months post infection.

Moreover, Elitza Theel, director of the infectious diseases serology laboratory at the Mayo Clinic who was not involved in the study, said researchers are finding that coronavirus "antibodies will peak at about 20 to 30 days after symptom onset, and then they decline," and "[t]hey seem to decline much more rapidly in individuals that were asymptomatic or had mild forms of the disease."

Given that antibodies help to neutralize the coronavirus and are believed to provide people with immunity against the pathogen, those findings have raised alarms among some observers that people may gain natural immunity to the coronavirus for only a few months.   ::eek::

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/07/24/covid-reinfection

Sherry Wellman, 56, of Youngstown, Ohio, and her doctors had assumed it would last longer than two months.

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Sherry Wellman.Courtesy Sherry Wellman
After an initial positive test for the virus in March, two additional COVID-19 tests in April were negative. It was welcome news to Wellman, whose job as a nurse required her to have two negative tests before returning to work.

But a month later, she had to go to the hospital for chest pains, and was tested again.

The physicians "ended up testing me for COVID just for the heck of it," Wellman said. "Sure enough, it came back positive. They were stunned."

"The nightmare of this is based on how much we don't know," Saag said. "COVID is brand new. We're discovering as we go." A growing pool of data, he said, suggests COVID-19 antibodies wane about 60 to 90 days after infection.

Shelby Hedgecock, 29, a wellness coach in Los Angeles, has had a similar experience: positive COVID-19 tests in April, followed by two negative tests in May, and then another positive test.

The first would be the concept of herd immunity. "Just throw it out the window," Saag said. "Because not enough people could sustain an immune response that would protect against reinfection long enough for the virus to extinguish."

The second involves vaccine development. If natural infection cannot provide lasting protection against the virus, experts said, a vaccine produced in the lab may not either.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/i-cannot-get-again-it-possible-get-reinfected-coronavirus-n1233667

Hopes are dimming that "herd immunity" can help stamp out the tenacious global pandemic amid growing concerns that people can be reinfected with COVID-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/covid-19-can-you-get-infected-twice-herd-immunity/5429012002/

The jury is still out. Links could be posted that say it is unlikely. But they simply do not know.

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #1 on: Thu Jul 30, 2020 - 14:31:59 »
Further, some recent studies also have sparked questions about coronavirus immunity. For example, results from a study recently released in preprint that hasn't yet been peer reviewed showed that antibodies developed against the coronavirus in people who'd been infected declined significantly within two to three months post infection.

Moreover, Elitza Theel, director of the infectious diseases serology laboratory at the Mayo Clinic who was not involved in the study, said researchers are finding that coronavirus "antibodies will peak at about 20 to 30 days after symptom onset, and then they decline," and "[t]hey seem to decline much more rapidly in individuals that were asymptomatic or had mild forms of the disease."

Given that antibodies help to neutralize the coronavirus and are believed to provide people with immunity against the pathogen, those findings have raised alarms among some observers that people may gain natural immunity to the coronavirus for only a few months.   ::eek::

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/07/24/covid-reinfection

Sherry Wellman, 56, of Youngstown, Ohio, and her doctors had assumed it would last longer than two months.

Image: Sherry Wellman
Sherry Wellman.Courtesy Sherry Wellman
After an initial positive test for the virus in March, two additional COVID-19 tests in April were negative. It was welcome news to Wellman, whose job as a nurse required her to have two negative tests before returning to work.

But a month later, she had to go to the hospital for chest pains, and was tested again.

The physicians "ended up testing me for COVID just for the heck of it," Wellman said. "Sure enough, it came back positive. They were stunned."

"The nightmare of this is based on how much we don't know," Saag said. "COVID is brand new. We're discovering as we go." A growing pool of data, he said, suggests COVID-19 antibodies wane about 60 to 90 days after infection.

Shelby Hedgecock, 29, a wellness coach in Los Angeles, has had a similar experience: positive COVID-19 tests in April, followed by two negative tests in May, and then another positive test.

The first would be the concept of herd immunity. "Just throw it out the window," Saag said. "Because not enough people could sustain an immune response that would protect against reinfection long enough for the virus to extinguish."

The second involves vaccine development. If natural infection cannot provide lasting protection against the virus, experts said, a vaccine produced in the lab may not either.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/i-cannot-get-again-it-possible-get-reinfected-coronavirus-n1233667

Hopes are dimming that "herd immunity" can help stamp out the tenacious global pandemic amid growing concerns that people can be reinfected with COVID-19.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/covid-19-can-you-get-infected-twice-herd-immunity/5429012002/

The jury is still out. Links could be posted that say it is unlikely. But they simply do not know.

I think most of this is a bunch of crap.  With false negatives and false positives, they don't even know.  Just scaring people.

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #2 on: Thu Jul 30, 2020 - 14:41:24 »
I think most of this is a bunch of crap.  With false negatives and false positives, they don't even know.  Just scaring people.
You must first catch it before you can get it the second time. I know of VERY, VERY people that have ever caught it just ONCE. I KNOW it is there, but I'm just not convinced it is as bad as they say. I JUST do not trust the majority of people especially so during this election year.

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #3 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 06:54:20 »
The decline in antibodies is problematic for any kind of vaccine or inoculation. Vaccines work by making permanent antibodies in the bloodstream.

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #4 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 07:22:40 »
The decline in antibodies is problematic for any kind of vaccine or inoculation. Vaccines work by making permanent antibodies in the bloodstream.

Yes, that is what I understand too.

There cannot be a vaccine that works IMO unless it is given multiple times a year. Say every 2 1/2 to 3 months from some I have read.

That presents not only a distribution problem but also a supply problem.

IMO only God can help us and keep us from this. AND YES... as I said months ago... I do think this does fall in with end times pestilences.....

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #5 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 07:28:09 »
I think most of this is a bunch of crap.  With false negatives and false positives, they don't even know.  Just scaring people.


Would be nice to know the truth. If the virus mutates like the common flue, it could be had twice a year but that would also make vaccines pretty much useless. Either way, I'm fighting the vaccine idea.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 07:37:13 »
I think most of this is a bunch of crap.  With false negatives and false positives, they don't even know.  Just scaring people.

Yep  ::tippinghat::

That is exactly what Herman Cain said, along wih...

Herman Caín thought Covid was a hoax, scoffed at wearing a mask. Died of Covid.

Bill Montgomery, co-founder of pro-Trump, Turning Point USA, scoffed at virus. Died of Covid.

Rep. Gohmert refused to wear a mask. Has Covid.

As to Cain...

"Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain is still hospitalized with COVID-19 but “making progress” as prayers are “making a difference,” his team stated in an update Sunday.

“Herman wants to thank everyone for praying for him. It’s making a difference,” a post on Cain’s official Twitter account reads. “He’s still in the hospital but he’s making progress and we expect to hear more encouraging news as the week progresses.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/abjectly-disgusting-conservatives-blast-ana-navarro-over-tweet-about-coronavirus-pattern

Making progress but then he died.


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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 14:07:27 »
Yep  ::tippinghat::

That is exactly what Herman Cain said, along wih...

Herman Caín thought Covid was a hoax, scoffed at wearing a mask. Died of Covid.

Bill Montgomery, co-founder of pro-Trump, Turning Point USA, scoffed at virus. Died of Covid.

Rep. Gohmert refused to wear a mask. Has Covid.

As to Cain...

"Former Republican presidential candidate and businessman Herman Cain is still hospitalized with COVID-19 but “making progress” as prayers are “making a difference,” his team stated in an update Sunday.

“Herman wants to thank everyone for praying for him. It’s making a difference,” a post on Cain’s official Twitter account reads. “He’s still in the hospital but he’s making progress and we expect to hear more encouraging news as the week progresses.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/abjectly-disgusting-conservatives-blast-ana-navarro-over-tweet-about-coronavirus-pattern

Making progress but then he died.

You apparently failed at reading comprehension.  I didn't say the Covids is a hoax or crap.  I said I think what is being said is crap about getting it multiple times.

With false positives and negatives, who knows if you can get the coronavirus twice or not.  The experts and the WHO and the CDC keep changing their recommendations.  The data is flawed because it is new.  The full scope of this will not be known for quite a bit of time.

I am pretty sure my family got it.  I know for sure my sister and her family just had it.  My other brother and his family had it in March. 

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 14:48:49 »
You apparently failed at reading comprehension.  I didn't say the Covids is a hoax or crap.  I said I think what is being said is crap about getting it multiple times.

With false positives and negatives, who knows if you can get the coronavirus twice or not.  The experts and the WHO and the CDC keep changing their recommendations.  The data is flawed because it is new.  The full scope of this will not be known for quite a bit of time.

I am pretty sure my family got it.  I know for sure my sister and her family just had it.  My other brother and his family had it in March.

I stand corrected.

But I do know those who believe it is a pure hoax and are still biding their time until Nov. 4.  Of course, if they are correct,I tell them they need to change that to Jan 21,just in case. And this is my family who has not had it and avoidsprotection at all cost.

No matter.

You can get flu multiple times.You can get a cold multiple times, you can get

No innoculation for a cold. And the flu shot you need once a year...sometimes twice.

I only suggest these because they are the most often referred to when talking about covid problems.

It will not ever go away, they are now saying. And kids are now dieing.

Parents want kids back in school because they are less likely to have trouble from it.

Nation wide teachers unions are supporting teacher strikes for those who do not want to teach. And why should they? They get paid no matter what.

In the meantime.... I am soooo happy and thrilled.....

I actually got to walk into a hardware store today and browse and buy some needed things.............

I had forgotten how good hardware store shopping feels ::tippinghat::

And only had to wear my mask. Did wear my gloves.... but the goggles and/or face shield that Fauci now wants... not required.






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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #9 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 15:22:22 »
Well, I don't know anyone who thinks the coronavirus is a hoax. I know quite a few people who think some politicians and Dr Fauxi are pulling a hoax with the virus, though. Why does Dr. Fauxi tell us to wear masks, not shake hands, and wear goggles, but he goes to a baseball game where he doesn't follow any of his own advice? When the network cameras turn off, he pulls off his mask - time after time. That part of it does sound like a hoax. Maybe Dr. Fauxi is taking a preventative?? IDK, but something sure is fishy.

About the antibodies/immunity-
It's all about the T cells. They fight pathogens and help regulate our immune system. As we age, the T cells go to heck, so they can't do their job.
Elderly people, or people with weakened immune systems don't have T cells that are working properly - so it may be possible for them to get it again.
Younger, healthy people have fully functioning T cells, and they build immunity.

The girl who does my hair told me this week that her aunt and uncle both tested positive back in March, and the uncle died from it. The wife recovered. However, the wife has tested positive again and is on her death bed with all organs shutting down. The thing is, both husband and wife were in their 60s and weren't healthy. Evidently, her T cells were shot and couldn't recognize the virus the 2nd time around. (That's IF she didn't have a false positive on the first test in March. Obviously, her husband had it.)

Honestly, I'm sick of all of it. The virus, the civil unrest, the whole kit and caboodle. I need a break from every dang bit of it.


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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #10 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 15:43:24 »
This is why it is sooooooooo confusing.

Corona IS a real disease and a real danger.

But the politics aimed at tanking Trump makes people wonder if that is so.

A preeminent doctor on the front-lines of COVID is fired for sharing her knowledge and experience in fighting the Coronavirus. This is striking fear into every American.

The opposite of truth, not just a lie. The opposite of truth is chaos.

This is Stalinist, Maoist, Hitlerian.

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/covid-emergency-physician-fired-for-speaking-at-white-coat-summit-press-conference-addressing-coronavirus-misinformation/

SO what is a normal person to think or do?

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #11 on: Fri Jul 31, 2020 - 22:50:21 »
I heard a report roday that said the number of kids in the US that have died from the flu so far this year is THREE times the number of Children that have died from Covid this year in the US.

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Re: Can you catch the coronavirus twice?
« Reply #12 on: Sat Aug 01, 2020 - 07:43:53 »
This is why it is sooooooooo confusing.

Corona IS a real disease and a real danger.

But the politics aimed at tanking Trump makes people wonder if that is so.

A preeminent doctor on the front-lines of COVID is fired for sharing her knowledge and experience in fighting the Coronavirus. This is striking fear into every American.

The opposite of truth, not just a lie. The opposite of truth is chaos.

This is Stalinist, Maoist, Hitlerian.

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/covid-emergency-physician-fired-for-speaking-at-white-coat-summit-press-conference-addressing-coronavirus-misinformation/

SO what is a normal person to think or do?

A normal person should stop believing everything you read or hear on TV.  Most of what is on TV or in the newspaper isn't "news" it is opinions pushed by media influencers.

Use common sense.  I look at my state's coronavirus numbers.  I know they are not 100% correct, but with the assumption that they are better than what is pushed out by the media, I look at trends, demographics, etc.   I have also looked at CDC information for the flu in the past to see if there is correlation.  I looked at the size of the virus, etc.

What you are seeing in the news, is they will take a few exceptions and present them as the rule.  And then the people that believe what is being put out by the media influencers ("news") will start freaking out like chickens with their heads cut off.  And they do this every week with stories that contradict the stories of the last week, with no seeming recollection that the story is opposite of the week before.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Aug 01, 2020 - 08:36:13 »
What exactly is the real motivation and end goal for deceiving the public?

 

     
anything