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Opposition to the HHS mandate
« on: March 30, 2012, 09:56:06 AM »
129 U.S. cities to join massive nation-wide protest against HHS mandate Friday

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/129-u.s.-cities-to-join-massive-nation-wide-protest-against-hhs-mandate-fri

CHICAGO, March 20, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Christians opposed to the Obama administration’s mandate forcing all employers, including religious employers, to cover abortifacient drugs and contraception are planning to stage a nationwide demonstration on Friday - one that organizers say has grown far beyond what they had anticipated.

Eric Scheidler of the Pro-Life Action League said that thousands - and possibly tens of thousands - are expected to join together in 129 U.S. cities against the mandate, including as many as 16 U.S. Catholic bishops.


I was interested in finding out if anyone attended a protest.... or if they have comments about the topic.

I was not able to attend on the 24th, but was proud to sit in on a meeting of Christians that came together last night to discuss the matter.

I really don't have strong feelings on the issue, but it was nice to be in a room with several Christians of differing faith traditions.  At my table were two Baptists, a Roman Catholic priest, and a evangelical.

Wherever you stand on the issue, it does seem to be drawing us together closer as Christians and to me that is a wonderful thing!

Thoughts?
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(MODS please move this if I didn't post it in the correct part of the forum!  ::sick:: )

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Opposition to the HHS mandate
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Re: Opposition to the HHS mandate
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 10:02:31 AM »
129 U.S. cities to join massive nation-wide protest against HHS mandate Friday

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/129-u.s.-cities-to-join-massive-nation-wide-protest-against-hhs-mandate-fri

CHICAGO, March 20, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Christians opposed to the Obama administration’s mandate forcing all employers, including religious employers, to cover abortifacient drugs and contraception are planning to stage a nationwide demonstration on Friday - one that organizers say has grown far beyond what they had anticipated.

Eric Scheidler of the Pro-Life Action League said that thousands - and possibly tens of thousands - are expected to join together in 129 U.S. cities against the mandate, including as many as 16 U.S. Catholic bishops.


I was interested in finding out if anyone attended a protest.... or if they have comments about the topic.

I was not able to attend on the 24th, but was proud to sit in on a meeting of Christians that came together last night to discuss the matter.

I really don't have strong feelings on the issue, but it was nice to be in a room with several Christians of differing faith traditions.  At my table were two Baptists, a Roman Catholic priest, and a evangelical.

Wherever you stand on the issue, it does seem to be drawing us together closer as Christians and to me that is a wonderful thing!

Thoughts?
-S

(MODS please move this if I didn't post it in the correct part of the forum!  ::sick:: )



I wonder if Jesus ever protested government laws? He even paid taxes to Rome; as corrupt a system that ever was. God allowed some who did protest to enter a lion's den and fiery furnace.

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Re: Opposition to the HHS mandate
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 10:07:32 AM »
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I wonder if Jesus ever protested government laws? He even paid taxes to Rome; as corrupt a system that ever was. God allowed some who did protest to enter a lion's den and fiery furnace.
Interesting... thanks for the input Larry.

Please elaborate.... do you believe a Christian should not get involved in political matters like this?  To stay confined to teaching about Christ and not about this world?

Or did I miss the point totally ... I thought Jesus did "protest" when money changers defiled the Temple --- some consider this similar, with the State corrupting Christian society.  I know the parallel is not quite the same, but I think you know what I mean.

Looking forward to hearing more about your opinion!

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 11:04:40 AM »
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I wonder if Jesus ever protested government laws? He even paid taxes to Rome; as corrupt a system that ever was. God allowed some who did protest to enter a lion's den and fiery furnace.

Interesting... thanks for the input Larry.

Please elaborate.... do you believe a Christian should not get involved in political matters like this?  To stay confined to teaching about Christ and not about this world?

Or did I miss the point totally ... I thought Jesus did "protest" when money changers defiled the Temple --- some consider this similar, with the State corrupting Christian society.  I know the parallel is not quite the same, but I think you know what I mean.

Looking forward to hearing more about your opinion!



rofl  No one wants my opinion; they just tolerate me, but I personally do not involve myself in politics except to bug Jaime.

Daniel 4:17  "This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

Romans 9:17  "For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth."
 
1   Romans 13:1-2   "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

Oversimplified possibly, but to oppose authority is to defy God. He puts authority into power to accomplish His purposes, and for our good. Yeah larry, but they are up to no good. So was Pharaoh, and then Rome enslaving and putting Christians to death. Brother Scott, I have no idea the outcome of an individual kingdom and its influence on my life, but God has promised in Romans 8:28 "And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints."

I've wondered saddened by laws that would allow and even promote abortion. I've seen the rallies and prayers offered up to God by multitudes against such things; some even sacrificing their freedom to block clinics that perform such atrocities, and yet it continues. Why? Doesn't God hear us? Sure He does; He knows what we're going to ask before we do. 1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence which we have towards him: That, whatsoever we shall ask according to his will, he heareth us.
   
To assimilate what God tells us, and understand His love of mankind to the extent He would send His Son to die for us, I must weigh actuality of events versus God's purpose again thinking of Romans 8:28. "And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints."

Could the prayers under the altar we read of in Revelation 8:3-4 be those satisfied not at this time, but in the Lord's Day when Jesus takes the power and authority and puts down usurping nations and peoples; here son, the things you've just seen occurring are the answer to your prayers. Scott, I do not know the answers as I look at a world seemingly gone haywire, but I trust in God Who doeth all things good. The world will be judged by righteousness, and we in Christ will be with the Lord forever.

We can follow the following instruction in 1 Timothy 2:2.  (Pray) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

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Re: Opposition to the HHS mandate
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 11:08:47 AM »
I thought it was MY calling to harrass you and p.rehbens.

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 11:26:31 AM »
The prez certainly likes his Man Dates.  This one, the individual one in obama-care, etc.

Who is he going out with next, Harry Reid?

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 11:43:16 AM »
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We can follow the following instruction in 1 Timothy 2:2.  (Pray) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
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I think I get ya Larry... and understand the thinking that all is in God's hands.

However....  ::smile::

Some do believe (I am not one of them) that at the core of this issue is a violation of the religious freedoms afforded to us by law.... and I understand that some only will get involved in politics when religious liberty is at stake.

I see it as similar to preaching the gospel -- I doubt you believe that the Gospel should not be preached at all times, so I am wondering what makes the political area "off-limits" to spreading the Word....  ???

In other words, I will continue to pray for our leaders... but admonish them when I believe God's laws are being violated -- I believe a Christian has a duty to do so.

Disagree?

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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 01:02:23 PM »
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We can follow the following instruction in 1 Timothy 2:2.  (Pray) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
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I think I get ya Larry... and understand the thinking that all is in God's hands.

However....  ::smile::

Some do believe (I am not one of them) that at the core of this issue is a violation of the religious freedoms afforded to us by law.... and I understand that some only will get involved in politics when religious liberty is at stake.

I see it as similar to preaching the gospel -- I doubt you believe that the Gospel should not be preached at all times, so I am wondering what makes the political area "off-limits" to spreading the Word....  ???

In other words, I will continue to pray for our leaders... but admonish them when I believe God's laws are being violated -- I believe a Christian has a duty to do so.

Disagree?


You'd sure be with the opinion of most here considering it your duty. The protest I see that Daniel did was to keep doing what he always did as in praying. Daniel 6:10  Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

Now Daniel as being one that was undoubtedly made into a eunuch did not protest that, but he did ask favor in Daniel 1:8. But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.

As far as feeling it a duty to admonish our leaders, there is no condemnation for you which are in Christ Jesus according to Romans 8:1. If you were thrown into a fiery furnace for doing so, I'm sure ONE like unto the Son of God would be there with you as He was with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the KJV of Daniel 3:25. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2012, 02:27:12 PM »
As always Larry, you teach me something new every day!

God bless!

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Re: Opposition to the HHS mandate
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2012, 02:46:45 PM »
Thanks for your opinion Victor08 .... but I'm not sure you understand the topic.

The HHS mandate is not about women being allowed to kill a baby, it is about birth control.

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We can follow the following instruction in 1 Timothy 2:2.  (Pray) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
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I think I get ya Larry... and understand the thinking that all is in God's hands.

However....  ::smile::

Some do believe (I am not one of them) that at the core of this issue is a violation of the religious freedoms afforded to us by law.... and I understand that some only will get involved in politics when religious liberty is at stake.

I see it as similar to preaching the gospel -- I doubt you believe that the Gospel should not be preached at all times, so I am wondering what makes the political area "off-limits" to spreading the Word....  ???

In other words, I will continue to pray for our leaders... but admonish them when I believe God's laws are being violated -- I believe a Christian has a duty to do so.

Disagree?

How is allowing women to have an abortion if needed “a violation of the religious freedoms afforded to us by law.

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Re: Opposition to the HHS mandate
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2012, 03:45:59 PM »
Need and want are lightyears apart in the discussion of abortion. If having an abortion is in any way civilized, why not advocate for killing any child under the age of 2 if needed for convenience sake, especially if abuse or suffering of that child is likely. The fact that a baby is inside or outside the vaginal opening is irrevelant as to barbarity. It ain't imposing religious views, it is human decency at its most basic level.

Though I do realize this topic is about birth control. Abortion is not.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2012, 04:27:51 PM »
larry2, I am just a 57 year old man, what do I know? I bow to your wisdom and bow out.

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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2012, 04:32:03 PM »

larry2, I am just a 57 year old man, what do I know? I bow to your wisdom and bow out.


 rofl That was great Victor.