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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2009, 04:17:57 PM »
Thank you Larry for that post.  You always clear up the issues at hand for me and I'm truly grateful for your spiritual wisdom.  Thank you all in everything.  I do believe the Lord looks at our hearts and not so much our doctrine.  Most probably, in the Lords eyes, there are saved people in many places.  Look at some of the prophets before Jesus.  I'm sure our Lord has a place for them as well as us believers.  Thank you Jesus as you are most of our Saviors'.  Without You, we would have been dead in our own transgressions.  Thank you again, Lord.  You are the love of all.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2009, 07:49:05 PM »
Quote from: seekr on June 30, 2009, 01:20:46 PM
I also believe it isn't how perfectly right we are about how one does church. But leadership is almost always corrupt and pride leads to destruction. We are like sheep that get led astray. If a person loves God and others then that person is a child of God. Judging, such as the dear pope does, creates judgment for that person.

You seem to do a lot of judging around here. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 09:13:59 PM »
Quote from: honeyant on June 29, 2009, 09:41:28 AM

I'm sure God will decide who is going to heaven by the purity of their soul, Christian life, and compassion.

He will not care about all his children's silly doctrinal squabbles!    Smile

if what you say is true
then you and I are in deep deep trouble because our Christian life stinks our compassion is based on sinful motives
and our souls deserve only hell with the rest of the sinful world .
But thanks be to Christ what you say is not true . And God is mercyful and saves us people who do not deserve to be saved.


Romans 5:6

 6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

Luke 18:9-14

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
 9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
 13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

 14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2009, 07:41:47 PM »
Quote from: fanuvmxpx on June 28, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
For those who do not know, Pope Benedict has already publically said that protestants are not true Christians and will not inherit salvation outside the catholic church:



That goes to show that the pope doesn't adhere to the Word of God. Jesus said that He was the way, the truth and the life(John14:6). It's not some man made denomination that is the way, the truth and the life. Acts4:12 mentions how there is no other Name in Heaven, other than the Lord Jesus Christ, that people can find salvation. That's right, that scipture tells you straight out that it is through the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ that salvation is found. Not through some man made denomination.

Acts10:43 mentions that the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that anyone who believes on Him shall receive remission of sins. That is not through believing in some man made denomination, it is not through believing in the pope, or on anyone with some title, It is believing the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans5:1 says that we are justified through faith, and we have peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ. Never does it mention we need to attend he catholic church and some ma made denomination.

Denominations are demonically set up to divide people I'm not saying that everyone who goes to churches under a denomination are practicing this sin, but the system itself is demonic. Denominations divide people. Ephesians4:3-6 mentions of how there should be unity in the body of Christ. We serve One God, one faith, one baptism. On the day of pentacost(Acts chapter2), they all worshipped the Lord in one accord. They were not divided in any way. They were in unity with one another. Can you say that about churches when they are divided into denominations?

Satan has worked hard to get the body of Christ divided. That way, our testimony to the world isn't very strong. People can't say they love thy neighbor when they can't even worship God together. Satan controls the ways of this worldly system(2ND Corinthians4:4, Ephesians2:2). Ungodly religious systems are controlled by Satan. The catholic church's hierarchy is controlled by Satan.

Who's will is the pope really doing? God or Satan? He is promting lies rather than speak for the gospel. You figure someone with that kind of position, if they truly stood for Christ, they would preach the gospel of salvation to people. I have "never" seen the pope evangelize. Yet people are so deceived to think he's of God.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2009, 10:01:25 AM »
Just reading this. But it's the same ol' song & dance. A Catholic Pope still against the protestant doctrine- just as the Protestants against the Catholic beliefs. Nothing new here. And the Pope does not speak for God, we know, he speaks for Catholicism.
They may have found St.Paul's remains, maybe, happy joy joy, with his name inscribed on the tomb-

Oh boy what a shocker. Everyone knows St. Paul was martyred at Rome! But the Pope is seriously at a loss to claim St. Paul was a Catholic! Catholic seems to be the very 1st dividing of the faith into denominations a few centuries after the Apostles.

Acts 11:25-26,
25 Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul. 26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

And so it was. St. Paul was a "Christian!"  St. Paul was up in heaven when the "Pope" came into the history of the church, probably protesting in heaven too- "Oh Lord, what have they done to the gospel you gave to me for them?!!!!"   Blushing
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2009, 04:12:14 PM »
Quote from: rezar on August 05, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
And so it was. St. Paul was a "Christian!"  St. Paul was up in heaven when the "Pope" came into the history of the church, probably protesting in heaven too- "Oh Lord, what have they done to the gospel you gave to me for them?!!!!"   Blushing
Yes, but at the time, "Christian" WAS a sect.  A sect of Judaism.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2009, 06:12:01 AM »
Quote from: fanuvmxpx on June 28, 2009, 10:27:10 PM


I just found another interesting article, that says the Catholics believe they have the bones of Paul the Apostle, and that he was catholic.

Pope finds St Paul's bones


Reminds me of Matthew 23
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.


Interestingly enough, if you go to a site like voice of the martyrs, it can be suprising how much modern persecution of christians has come from catholics (am thinking of developing nations.) The degree suprised me anyway. A visiting speaker from a south american country (I think argentina but not 100%) told the group that only 40 years ago, (it was originally 30, but that was 10 years ago) christians were still being beaten up, imprisioned and even killed by catholics where he came from.

And they have to prove the bones are Pauls. They've been trying to prove apostles relics for a long time. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2009, 05:10:55 PM »
Quote from: larry2 on June 30, 2009, 05:28:36 AM

I came out of Catholicism, and I love the people there; I just don't agree with all their doctrines. Percentage wise, I would say there are as many saved in that denomination as others. Their axiom of "Outside the Church No Salvation" is just an open statement of what they believe. In many other denominations it becomes very more subtle. You must be baptized in my tank, you must observe the Sabbath, you must not revert from being a sheep, become a dog and return to your own vomit; some go as far as judging you by their scanning eye of your works of righteousness.

I believe honeyant has come up with the best reply so far. She attends the Catholic Church, she loves the Lord, and she is saved; do I now judge her by a doctrine that has nothing to do with the fruit of the Holy Spirit she bears in her life? Do I take precious brethren who believe in observing the law, or do not believe in having instrumental music and just cast them from us? I do not have to agree with their doctrine, but I'm going to spend eternity with them; get used to dwelling together now in these present bodies we dwell in.

You had better wake up you who judge lest you find yourselves wanting when reward time comes. God he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. We are told to not despise the one that observes a day, eats or doesn't eat for the Lord, because the Lord receives them. We are the product of God's work in our lives, and our submission to His will for us. Our salvation is based on what Christ did on the cross, and our belief in that; not what some organization says. The Church is not an organization, but an organism consisting of all believers in the finished work of redemption to us who believe. What do we do now? Walk in the light as He is light.

God bless you all in Jesus' name - larry2


  I agree completely. We are not to judge.  There are many spirit filled christians regardless of their denomination.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2009, 05:15:38 PM »
I agree, judging the destinity of the soul of a believer in Jesus is a bit out of our league.  Course that does not count if you are a calvanist then you are free to judge freewiller's destinity.
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2009, 05:36:16 PM »
Does anyone really care what Popes, Priests or Pastors say any longer? 
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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2009, 07:01:20 PM »
Quote from: wayseer link=topic=36300.msg700046#msg700046 date=125521417
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Care?  Yes.  Place my eternal destiny on their words? Not if scripture does not back them up.






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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2009, 10:16:50 PM »

Jesus Christ established a Church—not a book—to be the Foundation of the Christian faith
(Luke 20:29-32; Matt. 10:40; 28:18-20).


'You are Peter and Upon This Rock, I will build My Church' Christ-Matthew 16:18

You are Peter
This rock, my church...its very simple. Theres No Plural.


This is why we have 35,000 Competing, Cannibalizing Protestant Sects, none can agree on interpreting scripture.



What good is it ... if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? (James 2:14)

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified"
-James 2:24

So then because thou are lukewarm, and Neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
-Revelation 3:16


"They preach but they do not practice"
-Christ (Matt. 23:3).


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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2009, 06:53:45 PM »
and some still  wonder why ?the Lutheran confessions identfy the papacy as the anti Christ .

WHAT AND WHO can be more Anti Christ than the papacy who sits   in the largest christian church in the world.   one billion plus  and teaches  christian people that Christ work his perfect life in their stead and his innocent death for their sins  wasnt good enough to save them..

you just cant get more Anti Christ than that . trying to destroy why Jesus came and  has won and done for people.
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2009, 04:27:49 PM »
Quote from: fanuvmxpx on June 28, 2009, 10:27:10 PM
For those who do not know, Pope Benedict has already publically said that protestants are not true christians and will not inherit salvation outside the catholic church:

I just found another interesting article, that says the Catholics believe they have the bones of Paul the Apostle, and that he was catholic.

Pope finds St Paul's bones

I wonder if this will support their case that we're all psychos?

So as a Protestant I won't be going to heaven after all? Crying and sad.
I Protest that. I agree
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2009, 02:23:08 PM »
Of course its silly to claim that any 1st century Christians were Roman Catholic, it would be even more silly though for someone to claim that they were Protestants.
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