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Skate Rink Warned Against ‘Christian’ Skate Time
« on: Thu Jun 22, 2006 - 13:30:27 »
This really sounds hypocritical in light of the gay and lesbian days at theme parks!

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Skate Rink Warned Against ‘Christian’ Skate Time

June 22, 2006 – A skating rink in Accord, New York has been warned by the State of New York’s Division of Human Rights against having a Christian skate time on Sunday afternoons.

The owners of Skate Time 209, Len and Terry Bernardo recently received a stern letter from the human rights office warning that having a “Christian
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« Reply #1 on: Thu Jun 22, 2006 - 14:30:48 »
I used to be a ref at a rink and worked during the christian skate session on Wednesdays. No one was denied going if they weren't a christian. It was just that they played christian music. I think it is silly that they would think it is discrimination.

It seemed to me that it would be some of the churches that would get worked up because it is done on a Sunday. The main problem we all had with the christian skate session were the complaints over christian music that adults thought were unacceptable. Everybody had their lists but the kids enjoyed the music that they could skate to and have fun with.

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Re: Skate Rink Warned Against ‘Christian’ Skate Time
« Reply #2 on: Thu Jun 22, 2006 - 15:13:08 »
Every skating rink I have ever heard of has a "Christian Skate night", no one is denied admission.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Jun 22, 2006 - 16:44:54 »
Sounds like a miniature "Soul Lift" (Six Flags).  I'm guessing there's a town busy-body behind this.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Jun 22, 2006 - 23:12:35 »
I'd like to see BCV for the so-called CHRISTIAN SKATE NIGHT.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu Jun 22, 2006 - 23:51:53 »
I used to be a ref at a rink and worked during the christian skate session on Wednesdays. No one was denied going if they weren't a christian. It was just that they played christian music. I think it is silly that they would think it is discrimination.

It seemed to me that it would be some of the churches that would get worked up because it is done on a Sunday. The main problem we all had with the christian skate session were the complaints over christian music that adults thought were unacceptable. Everybody had their lists but the kids enjoyed the music that they could skate to and have fun with.

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So, it had a good beat and was easy to skate to?


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« Reply #6 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 08:52:05 »
I'd like to see BCV for the so-called CHRISTIAN SKATE NIGHT.
I think the vision Ezekiel had involving a "wheel in the middle of a wheel" might apply.  (If you're sleep-deprived and wielding a hermeneutical crow-bar.)

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 08:54:32 »
I generally avoid any commercial activity that markets itself as "Christian" (and that means I don't listen to "Christian radio" or watch "Christian television") because I'm offended by anyone who wants to turn my faith into an opportunity for their financial gain.

You don't want to ask what I think of "contemporary Christian music" or "Christian fiction",  entirely apart from its merits as music or fiction.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 09:08:16 »
Yes, BOG, but do you skate otherwise?

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 12:39:35 »
Some seem to think it is ok to make a living in the secular world, not making any bones about it, but if you add Jesus into the equation, they cut it off.  Why?  ::headscratch::

Seems as if those are the ones who have two separate lives, one compartment for God and one fo the world part of their lives.   ::pondering::

I find it hard to separate the two for me.    ::shrug::




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« Reply #10 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 13:26:47 »
Yes, BOG, but do you skate otherwise?

No - but I do listen to the radio, watch television (once in a while), read and buy music.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 13:57:48 »
Off-Topic:

I have REALLY tried listening to Christian radio, but I find it always rubs me the wrong way.  The music on it is usually not of very good quality, for one thing.  Also, as BOG alluded to, there are too many people wanting to use their "Christianity" to make money.  Like advertising with a "Jesus Loves You" attached to it.  I don't think it's right to use Jesus as a marketing strategy.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:01:44 »
I don't think that is what the majority of the people I listen to are trying to do.  People like Chris Tomlin, David Crowder, Matt Redman, etc.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:04:20 »
Okay, but there's nothing wrong with identifying a niche and then cater to that market, right?  So if there are a bunch of Christians (an identifiable market segment) with a bunch of dollars in their pocket, is it wrong to try to sell them stuff?  What are the limits?

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:05:13 »
Some seem to think it is ok to make a living in the secular world, not making any bones about it, but if you add Jesus into the equation, they cut it off.  Why?  ::headscratch::

Seems as if those are the ones who have two separate lives, one compartment for God and one fo the world part of their lives.   ::pondering::

I find it hard to separate the two for me.    ::shrug::






Why don't you come out and say it Memmy?    People who don't listen to the dreck called contemporary Christian music are, in your opinion, not quite as spiritual as those who do.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:17:07 »
Some seem to think it is ok to make a living in the secular world, not making any bones about it, but if you add Jesus into the equation, they cut it off.  Why?  ::headscratch::

Seems as if those are the ones who have two separate lives, one compartment for God and one fo the world part of their lives.   ::pondering::

I find it hard to separate the two for me.    ::shrug::






Why don't you come out and say it Memmy?    People who don't listen to the dreck called contemporary Christian music are, in your opinion, not quite as spiritual as those who do.

I don't think she said that, or inferred it BOG.

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:18:45 »
You're right.  She didn't infer it.  She implied it and I inferred it.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:37:12 »
Yeah.  It was pretty clear what she meant.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 14:40:34 »
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« Reply #19 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 15:20:41 »
Oh man, here we go again............   ::doh::

I wouldn't ever say anyone is not as spiritual as me, how in the world would I ever know that?

Connie, I find it quite interesting that you always tend to jump on the bandwagon when Bog puts his digs to me.

I'm referring to life in general, and separating God from the world.

I can't do it, that's all. Maybe I am just too scattered to do so.  ::shrug::

(By the way, that doesn't classify me as being ignorant either, I don't believe)

Also, I have a hard time when someone can judge others intentions, especially when they give all glory and honor to God in giving them to them, (aka CCM). I just find that a fine line to cross.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 15:47:49 »
It seems real hard to label CCM as either bad or good.  If you mention country music to someone, for example, are you talking Cash-Haggard-Jones types or Billy Ray Virus?

When you talk about rock and roll, are you talking Zep or the Beatles, or rancid top 40?

As for me, there is some CCM that is pretty good, but most isn't.  It depends.  I've noticed that what I do prefer to listen to usually isn't found on the radio stations very much.  If the performers are the actual writers, then they are usually preferable.

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« Reply #21 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 16:20:38 »
The bottom line is that anything that prevents the owners from running it as they see fit is anti-American and just plain wrong.


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« Reply #22 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 16:57:10 »
I don't always care for all the tunes, but the message, now that's what I am talkin' about.  ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 18:14:45 »
It's hard to get the message through songs that seem geared to appeal to teenage girls. 

When it comes to Christian music, I find myself either listening to Celtic Christian music, real old gospel music or such folks as Michael Kelly Blanchard, John Michael Talbot, or Michael Card.


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« Reply #24 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 18:30:34 »
Just guess maybe I haven't grown up yet.

Oh well.   ::shrug::

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 21:03:59 »
Okay, but there's nothing wrong with identifying a niche and then cater to that market, right?  So if there are a bunch of Christians (an identifiable market segment) with a bunch of dollars in their pocket, is it wrong to try to sell them stuff?  What are the limits?

To clarify what I meant earlier.   I don't think there's anything wrong with Christian songwriters and musicians making a living doing what they do.  I just find it annoying and irksome to listen to most of the ads that are on radio stations that are identified as "Christian."  I don't think it's right to use Jesus' name to sell cars, for example, or furniture, or something like that. 

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« Reply #26 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 21:08:24 »
Oh man, here we go again............   ::doh::

I wouldn't ever say anyone is not as spiritual as me, how in the world would I ever know that?

Connie, I find it quite interesting that you always tend to jump on the bandwagon when Bog puts his digs to me.

I'm referring to life in general, and separating God from the world.

I can't do it, that's all. Maybe I am just too scattered to do so.  ::shrug::

(By the way, that doesn't classify me as being ignorant either, I don't believe)

Also, I have a hard time when someone can judge others intentions, especially when they give all glory and honor to God in giving them to them, (aka CCM). I just find that a fine line to cross.


Memmy, I find it quite interesting how you can so blatantly imply something about someone, then, when called on it, seem surprised.  "Oh man, here we go again......................."?!  Your innocent act doesn't really fool most people here.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 21:45:51 »
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Memmy, I find it quite interesting how you can so blatantly imply something about someone, then, when called on it, seem surprised.  "Oh man, here we go again................... ...."?!  Your innocent act doesn't really fool most people here.

I'm not trying to "fool" anyone Connie. I don't really care to have words put in my mouth either if you don't mind bog and Connie.

We were talking about Christian music being opposed in the skating rink. Comments being made on here are surely allowed to be challenged in disagreement, right? Some comments oppose Christian music by taste, others by making it seem "wrong" in every way. I'm sorry that my opinion really seems to get under your skin Connie.

You really don't seem to have alot of experience with this type of music, since there is a wide variety of it out there.

Do you oppose watching television that has commercials on it selling cars, etc. too? Could be a Christian owner of a car dealership making a living for their families too, ya know?

Many Christian radio stations are funded by individual donations. If they want to not have to go by the standards of the industry, they have to come up with their own funding and can pick and choose who will advertise on there, unlike public radio stations funded by the mega airways owners.

KLOVE for instance has no advertisements, due to solely being funded by individuals and is broadcast all over the US in a national syndicated form. (Also in some other countries, as well as over the internet broadcasting to some troops overseas) If they didn't do so (get funding by individuals), they would have to go by the rules of the secular airway and anything goes on that.

On another note, everyone really ought to get to know the artists before judging their motives. Many of them could be doing well in the secular field, but choose to give all glory and honor to God in their gifts they bring to the world.

Memmy

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« Reply #28 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 22:02:44 »
Memmy, just to let you know, I didn't think you implied anything.  People jumped to conclusions.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 23:00:13 »
Thanks so much Kevin.

I appreciate that very much.  ::smile::

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Memmy, I find it quite interesting how you can so blatantly imply something about someone, then, when called on it, seem surprised.  "Oh man, here we go again................... ...."?!  Your innocent act doesn't really fool most people here.

I'm not trying to "fool" anyone Connie. I don't really care to have words put in my mouth either if you don't mind bog and Connie.

We were talking about Christian music being opposed in the skating rink. Comments being made on here are surely allowed to be challenged in disagreement, right? Some comments oppose Christian music by taste, others by making it seem "wrong" in every way. I'm sorry that my opinion really seems to get under your skin Connie.

You really don't seem to have alot of experience with this type of music, since there is a wide variety of it out there.

Do you oppose watching television that has commercials on it selling cars, etc. too? Could be a Christian owner of a car dealership making a living for their families too, ya know?

Many Christian radio stations are funded by individual donations. If they want to not have to go by the standards of the industry, they have to come up with their own funding and can pick and choose who will advertise on there, unlike public radio stations funded by the mega airways owners.

KLOVE for instance has no advertisements, due to solely being funded by individuals and is broadcast all over the US in a national syndicated form. (Also in some other countries, as well as over the internet broadcasting to some troops overseas) If they didn't do so (get funding by individuals), they would have to go by the rules of the secular airway and anything goes on that.

On another note, everyone really ought to get to know the artists before judging their motives. Many of them could be doing well in the secular field, but choose to give all glory and honor to God in their gifts they bring to the world.

Memmy

As usual, you seemingly missed the point.  I'm done with you.

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« Reply #31 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 23:19:33 »
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As usual, you seemingly missed the point.  I'm done with you.

Which point?

The point of being called a "phony," putting on an "act"?

The point of you accusing me of being a person trying to "fool" others?

The point of me "missing your point" all the time "as usual"?

I really do not get what you see in me as something that gets under your skin Connie.

I have not once called you names, or tried to get anyone to gang up on you either. You have done so many times. I really do not get that, but maybe that is my "ignorance" shining through again.

I am fine with you being through with me too. Maybe I won't see you jumping in for a brief kick along with anyone who has any type of disagreement with my views again.

So be it.

By the way, I don't believe you really admire honesty, I believe you admire hostility, and seem to harbor it well.

When you are really ready to put this all behind us, I will be willing to do so too. Just let me know if and when.

What would it take to do so, really?

Memmy

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« Reply #33 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 23:26:51 »
Memmy and ConnieLard?  Or is it Euodia and Syntyche (Philippians 4:2)?  The words of Paul seem appropriate, we will change the names:

"I plead with ConnieLard and I plead with Memmy to agree with each other in the Lord."

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« Reply #34 on: Fri Jun 23, 2006 - 23:44:02 »
I will agree.

On to verse 4 "Rejoice in the Lord always, and I say it again Rejoice!"

Let our "gentleness be evident to all". verse 5.

Thanks Kevin.

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