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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2005, 11:26:54 AM »
I live there from about 1981 through 1985.  I lived in Statesville and Drexel (I think that's how that is spelled), before moving to Ashville.  I lived on a road called Old Home Road. Isn't that a funny name?  We moved to Wisconsin after that but have visited old friends and relatives for many years since.  I use to go to sliding rock. Do you ever go there?
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« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2005, 08:50:30 AM »
Janet Reno Rescues Terri Schiavo in Daring Raid
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-11) -- Shortly after midnight last night, former Attorney General Janet Reno and a squad of retired agents from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) stormed a Florida nursing home and rescued Terri Schiavo from her impending death by starvation which had been slated to begin March 18.

Ms. Reno, in helmet, KEVLAR® and jackboots, led the daring raid in a fashion reminiscent of the ATF rescue of Elian Gonzalez in April 2000.

"The power of government must be used for the good of humanity," said Ms. Reno. "But the decline of respect for life, especially among the judiciary, has forced us to take this decisive action to save Terri's life. As always, we Democrats have compassion for the helpless."

Mrs. Schiavo is being held in an undisclosed location pending an attempt by businessman Robert Herring to ransom the brain-damaged woman from her doting husband, Michael, for $1 million.

Ms. Reno denied accusations that she is merely trying to upstage Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in preparation for her own gubernatorial run.
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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2005, 03:12:33 PM »
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I live there from about 1981 through 1985.  I lived in Statesville and Drexel (I think that's how that is spelled), before moving to Ashville.  I lived on a road called Old Home Road. Isn't that a funny name?  We moved to Wisconsin after that but have visited old friends and relatives for many years since.  I use to go to sliding rock. Do you ever go there?
That's interesting.  A family that lived here and went to church at Biltmore Church of Christ moved to Appleton.

I grew up out in the Bent Creek area (sw area of Asheville) before moving to Weaverville at the north end of the county in 1997.  

We used to go to Sliding Rock all the time, especially when I was young.  My buddies and I used to go to all sorts of swimming holes on the Davidson River all through Pisgah Forest.  We'd backpack and stuff like that, too.
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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2005, 01:18:31 PM »
I moved to Appleton. Are you talking about my family?  I don't know that the church we went to was Biltmore COC, but when we would drive to the building we would pass the Biltmore House.  I have a picture of me and a couple friends out in front of the sign and a gospel meeting sign.  All the sign said was Church of Christ and the meeting times.  The building was white and the sign was brown with white letters.  Does that help?  One of the preachers name was Alex Ogdon and his wife is Pat.
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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2005, 10:34:21 PM »
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I moved to Appleton. Are you talking about my family?  I don't know that the church we went to was Biltmore COC, but when we would drive to the building we would pass the Biltmore House.  I have a picture of me and a couple friends out in front of the sign and a gospel meeting sign.  All the sign said was Church of Christ and the meeting times.  The building was white and the sign was brown with white letters.  Does that help?  One of the preachers name was Alex Ogdon and his wife is Pat.
I don't know the Ogdons and that doesn't sound like the same building.  I'll PM you to give you the name of the family that moved to Appleton.
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« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2005, 07:55:37 AM »
Schiavo Hailed as Anti-Obesity Champion
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(2005-03-18) -- The National Institutes of Health (NIH) today praised Michael Schiavo for leading the fight against the obesity epidemic by removing the feeding tube from his wife, Terri, who has led a largely-sedentary life since taking to her bed some 15 years ago.

A recent NIH study shows that obesity can reduce life expectancy by up to five years.

"As the obesity epidemic rolls around the globe, one man has the fortitude to just say 'No' to food," according to an unnamed NIH spokesman. "Mr. Schiavo is a true American hero. At a time when others are treating the right-to-eat as if it were enshrined in the Constitution, he's putting his 'bed-potato' wife on a crash diet that will drastically reduce her risk of obesity."

Terri Schiavo's anti-obesity regimen is scheduled to begin today at 1 p.m. Florida time.
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« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2005, 09:46:46 AM »
Right-to-Starve Added to Feminism's Victories
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(2005-03-19) -- The National Organization for Women (NOW) today held a jubilant news conference to celebrate the latest advance in women's rights -- the right to have your estranged husband choose to end your life.

"First, it was women's suffrage -- the right to vote -- then abortion, the right to privacy," said an unnamed NOW spokesman. "Finally, a man has led the way in freeing us from the antiquated bigotry that has kept our former husbands from choosing a slow, painful death for us."

The NOW source said the court-ordered removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, based on the testimony of Michael Schiavo alone has "opened a world of opportunities for women to freely die at the hands of the men they love."

"The next time you tell your husband 'I'd rather die than go to that party,' you can rest assured that your words have legal weight and, if the occasion arises, your wishes will be respected," said the NOW source. "What's more, you're free from the worry that your man will be prosecuted for your murder."

Michael Schiavo lives with another woman and their two children. He developed this "backup family" according to his lawyer, "to assuage his eventual grief over the coming loss of Terri -- the woman he loves to death."

Legal experts at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) also praised the "new progressive precedent in contract law."

"The court has affirmed that a verbal contract where the only witness is one of the contracting parties is legally binding even if that witness has already violated a written contract, in this case a marriage license, verbally affirmed before dozens of witnesses," said the ACLU expert. "The bias against known contract-breakers is gone. This also gives a more influential voice before the courts to our nation's incapacitated, comatose and dead citizens. Their wishes can be determined by the words of their beneficiaries without the hassle of documentation or multiple witnesses."
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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.
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« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2005, 12:34:05 PM »
I think we should get rid of documentation and multiple witnesses altogether. We don't need that stuff. It's not like people ever lie about anything. It's not like husbands ever kill their wives for no apparent reason.

We should just be glad Michael has someone, elses bed to crawl into at night, besides his wife. I'm sure that is a comfort to him.

I know I'm a little scarcastic.

When I had a tube in my side a technician came in and saw it sticking out from under the covers and yanked it. After I yelled at her, she said she didn't realize it was connected to anything. That made me feel so relieved to know I was being taken care of by someone like that. I'm sure Terri's doctors are perfect though, and could never be wrong about her ability to recover at all. The judge had Michael pick two doctors, and the parents of Terri pick two and the judge picked one.  He asked them to evaluate Terri to see if she would have a chance to recover with therapy.  Three doctors said no the others said yes. Guess which doctors said no.
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« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2005, 02:24:05 PM »
What's wrong with a little sarcasm while a man is getting the help of some goober judges and lawyers to murder his wife?

I'm going to write the White House tonight and ask the President to issue a presidential pardon for Terry.

Besides the most serious matter of life and death, and how the later is so readily embraced, just think how all this effects contract law.  I'm going to start showing up at funerals and saying the dead promised me all sorts of their stuff and I don't need it in writing because Michael didn't.
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They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.
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« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2005, 11:32:03 PM »
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Regarding Terri, for those who have not been able to see the actual video footage of her condition, awareness, etc., aside from the few short snipets that have been shown on the news, here are a couple of links:

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/hows_that_cold.rm

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/balloon.rm

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Swab.rm
Babe, these links don't want to work for me -- the one where Terri's being asked about her cold finally popped up 20 minutes after I tried to link to it.  Might be trouble with my RealPlayer or something.

Can you send us to where you got the clips, so we can access directly?  [/color]
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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2005, 01:14:45 PM »
Hey, I somehow missed this whole thread...must've been blind.  Did anyone here of the doctor quoted in the NY Times saying that starvation is a painless, peaceful way to die? Confused  Someone ought to yank his/her license.  I sure wouldn't want a doctor with no more sense than that.  

There was a lady on the radio the other day (can't remember what show) that said she'd been in the same situation.  She even had surgery w/out anesthesia because the doctors 'decided' she was too out of it to feel pain.  She's conscious now, and said she heard every conversation and felt every bit of the surgery, but had no way to communicate at all.  She, too, had a the feeding tube pulled, until her husband was able to successfully fight to have it put back in.  She said it was excruciatingly painful.

I just can't imagine having a world-view that would allow you to starve a person and feel good about it.
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« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2005, 06:09:43 PM »
I listened to an interview on NPR with Terry's court appointed attorney (also an MD) from 2003.
He had some interesting things to say.

There are two court documented accounts of Terry saying that she would not want to be kept alive like this. One made at the funeral of a relative who had been kept alive.

The responses that Terry makes in the film are both inconsistent and often happen when there is no one present. The attorney spent many hours desperately trying to elicit responses from her while holding her hand or stroking her hair.

After listening to her parents testify that they would keep Terry alive, even if she had all her limbs amputated and had massive heart failures Michael became very angry and said that he would never give control to the parents.

All of the seeming reactions that Terry exhibits are consistent with the diagnosis of persistent vegetative state.

I know many people have claimed that her husband abused her, but the courts have investigated and found no evidence. Others have said that Michael is in it for the money, which seems unlikely as he has turned down millions of dollars offered to buy him off.

It is ironic that while the Republican leadership wants to cut Medicaid it is Medicaid that is paying for Terry's medical care.
It is also ironic that after she dies many of the medical bills will be payed out of the financial settlement.... a settlement that came from the kind of damage lawsuits that the Republican so eagerly want to curtail.

My wife and I just acquired forms that will make sure that we will not go through what Terry is going through and become political pawns of  right wing fanatics.
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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2005, 10:14:47 PM »
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« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2005, 10:17:33 PM »
For me, the problem is the issue of starvation.  She is not on a respirator (contrary to public rumor), she breaths and her heart beats unaided.  That's why she must starve to death.  If it were a respirator keeping her breathing, I'd have a different opinion.  This is nowhere near the same as what's commonly referred to as "pulling the plug".

I've no problem with letting a person go on to meet the Lord (certainly she'd be better off).  But that doesn't release us from morality in regard to HOW a person leaves this earthly coil.
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« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2005, 10:30:38 PM »
Jmg,
"Certainly she'd be better off".  That's if she's saved, of course.  Everyone who is will be better off, even if nothing is wrong with them.
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