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« Reply #1295 on: Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 07:56:01 »
Have y'all seen these videos on social media where nurses are dancing to choreographed routines - while at work - in PPEs? CRAZY. Not a good look at all for more than one reason.

Anyway, Katie Hopkins has a response to them which is spot on-


https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1252937044810227712

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« Reply #1296 on: Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 08:04:13 »
I saw one about 3 weeks ago.

Seemed, at the time, they were making the best of a difficult situation or simply bored waiting for patients to show up

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« Reply #1297 on: Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 08:26:51 »
It’s only been a month under lockdown


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12326530

People are going hungry.

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I have food for people. I have gained weight   ::frustrated::

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« Reply #1298 on: Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 08:29:32 »
Herd immunity when there is no cure is really the only way.




According to morning news they HAVE a vaccine in the UK... NOW.

And a second one coming to trial.

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« Reply #1299 on: Wed Apr 22, 2020 - 08:36:38 »
it will be interesting to see. Herd immunity when there is no cure is really the only way.

The Who says it’s only just begun. They reckon there are 30 mutations to this. Some more deadly than others.

In China they reported people getting it a second time just dropped dead as it started to send there bodies defenses into action. There own bodies started to attack their  heart liver and lungs.

Chinese medicine to fight this has a strange Side effect. It’s turning there yellow skin black. Strange days indeed. They say it liver damage that can do this

https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/chinese-doctors-skin-turns-dark-after-coronavirus-recovery/

Strange days indeed

Not strange.

We are being propelled through end times at a rate most would not consider. For most do not believe there will ever be an end.

As to people turning black? That vindicates the African Americans who tout black is beautiful all the time. Looks like God agrees rofl


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« Reply #1300 on: Thu Apr 23, 2020 - 01:54:00 »
::cryingtears::

I have food for people. I have gained weight   ::frustrated::
i have been sick for a month and have gained weight because I’ve been stuffed up. . I just can’t stop buying food. I went out today just for bread and some stuff. I ended up spending 340 dollars. Well I guess it will be handy when I see a need. I’m believing that God  will show me why he has positioned me for a time like this. I just don’t know what it is or the timing. It will happen and in that day ....The Lord has provided.

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« Reply #1301 on: Thu Apr 23, 2020 - 01:56:19 »
According to morning news they HAVE a vaccine in the UK... NOW.

And a second one coming to trial.
then the testing and trials so your skin doesn't turn black. Or you turn into a vampire . That’s about the end of next year
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« Reply #1302 on: Thu Apr 23, 2020 - 01:58:29 »
Not strange.

We are being propelled through end times at a rate most would not consider. For most do not believe there will ever be an end.

As to people turning black? That vindicates the African Americans who tout black is beautiful all the time. Looks like God agrees rofl
lol you know there is a skin condition that’s turning Black people white. It’s like a birthmark that keeps growing. Patchy skin .

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« Reply #1303 on: Thu Apr 23, 2020 - 14:04:04 »
then the testing and trials so your skin doesn't turn black. Or you turn into a vampire . That’s about the end of next year


Hmmmmm. Vampire huh?

Always had a fondness for Barnabas Collins.... Or is he before your time?

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« Reply #1304 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 01:19:41 »

Hmmmmm. Vampire huh?

Always had a fondness for Barnabas Collins.... Or is he before your time?
it was a sick joke . kidney dialysis Is needed ongoing now in some patients,  when there bodies have attacked their own organs. Bat virus covid 19  and the vampires that have emerged from it  . Life is in the blood. 

Ongoing patient care . Ongoing costs to our medical system

For example

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/coronavirus-kidney-dialysis-need/index.html
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« Reply #1305 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 03:56:18 »
According to morning news they HAVE a vaccine in the UK... NOW.

And a second one coming to trial.
 

We have 2 possible vaccines both being tested on people in the next week or so. One from Oxford uni and one from Imperial college London. I actually know 2 of the volunteers myself for the Oxford trials. I am praying that one will succeed but even if they do it will be apparently be many many months before they can be used on the general public on any large scale. Probably next year they say. 
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« Reply #1306 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 03:58:25 »
i have been sick for a month and have gained weight because I’ve been stuffed up. . I just can’t stop buying food. I went out today just for bread and some stuff. I ended up spending 340 dollars. Well I guess it will be handy when I see a need. I’m believing that God  will show me why he has positioned me for a time like this. I just don’t know what it is or the timing. It will happen and in that day ....The Lord has provided.

If not the Salvation Army gets it. The Lord gets the glory

Mark, I though you had food for many months? Not that you need it in NZ. Fortunate to have a small population spread out and to be many miles from anywhere. 

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« Reply #1307 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 04:06:37 »
Prepare to lock down children of God
 

We are already locked down, have been for over a month. Should be gradually released soon over a period of time as our number of cases and deaths have flattened out which was the aim. I predict schools will go back end of June as well as nurseries and childminders, otherwise people cant go back to work. 

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« Reply #1308 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 04:09:11 »
Sweden's per capita deaths are now projected to be much higher than ours.    Herd immunity at a price.  Interestingly, the per capita deaths in Sweden are likely to be very close to that projected for the United States, if no controls were implemented.

US projection (no controls) 240,00
Sweden projection  5890

Sweden has about 10 million people, to the US about 330 million, so if they were as populous as the US, they'd have about 194,000 deaths.

The US will have about 60,000 deaths by the end of the pandemic, if the models hold.  Let's see how good they are, in a month or so.

I believe that their cases are also twice as high as their neighbours Norway and Denmark.

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« Reply #1309 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 04:15:11 »
Then we have  another vampire . I need to live so you must die.

The compromised say please stay at home so I can live. So the economy dies and those along with it

The ones who are all on for the economy say many must die so most can live. Life goes on and they would have died anyway

Who is the vampire now? 

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« Reply #1310 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 04:29:21 »
I had to make a choice one day . I became a vegetarian . For me to live, it didn’t mean that animals had to pay a price. They didn’t have to die,  so I could live.

Now animal suffering I’m working on. I’m stuck on cheese and milk. I will stop this soon.

I’m just saying that what or who ever we gain from  , another one or something has to  die . Give up there life force.

We must take life,  so we live. If not we die

Jesus laid down his life,  so we could live. Take my body eat and drink

When I started to see this it made me feel uncomfortable. You die , I live

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« Reply #1311 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 04:35:04 »
Mark, I though you had food for many months? Not that you need it in NZ. Fortunate to have a small population spread out and to be many miles from anywhere.
yes the supermarkets are full of food. Overflowing. Prices are down for fresh fruit and veggies. But people have lost there jobs. There is no more money for them to buy food. Food parcels have increased. People have said we don’t judge now by the houses they deliver to. Food and the ability to buy

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« Reply #1312 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 06:00:58 »
Chosenone, if the Covid vaccine is no more effective than the flu vaccine, it won’t matter when it comes out. It’s nothing but a pot shot every year that the flu vaccine folks guess right on what strain emerges from mutations. There is no reason to assume that Corona virus will not mutate every year. I used to never get the flu until I began taking the flu vaccine. Something to do with how it affects our immune system I would think. Right now, my wife and I are focusing on naturally building our immunities with what we eat, supplements and generally staying as healthy as possible. The good Lord equipped our bodies amazingly. We have gotten complacent about the maintenance of our bodies. For some reason small pox and the like responded to vaccines favorably. The flu hasn’t or it is a much more “slippery” contagion than smallpox and others. I would guess the Covid19 virus would mutate as readily as the annual flu from year to year.
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« Reply #1313 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 07:26:26 »
Chosenone, if the Covid vaccine is no more effective than the flu vaccine, it won’t matter when it comes out. It’s nothing but a pot shot every year that the flu vaccine folks guess right on what strain emerges from mutations. There is no reason to assume that Corona virus will not mutate every year. I used to never get the flu until I began taking the flu vaccine. Something to do with how it affects our immune system I would think. Right now, my wife and I are focusing on naturally building our immunities with what we eat, supplements and generally staying as healthy as possible. The good Lord equipped our bodies amazingly. We have gotten complacent about the maintenance of our bodies. For some reason small pox and the like responded to vaccines favorably. The flu hasn’t or it is a much more “slippery” contagion than smallpox and others. I would guess the Covid19 virus would mutate as readily as the annual flu from year to year.

yes the flu vaccine is changed each year according to what strain is around. I guess that will happen with covid19 as well. Must admit I have never had the flu in the years I have had the vaccine, but have had it a few times when I haven't.
Children here have vaccines against many things such as meningitis, measles, chicken pox, mumps, tetanus, polio etc. They work.

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« Reply #1314 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 07:45:32 »
Chosenone, if the Covid vaccine is no more effective than the flu vaccine, it won’t matter when it comes out. It’s nothing but a pot shot every year that the flu vaccine folks guess right on what strain emerges from mutations. There is no reason to assume that Corona virus will not mutate every year. I used to never get the flu until I began taking the flu vaccine. Something to do with how it affects our immune system I would think. Right now, my wife and I are focusing on naturally building our immunities with what we eat, supplements and generally staying as healthy as possible. The good Lord equipped our bodies amazingly. We have gotten complacent about the maintenance of our bodies. For some reason small pox and the like responded to vaccines favorably. The flu hasn’t or it is a much more “slippery” contagion than smallpox and others. I would guess the Covid19 virus would mutate as readily as the annual flu from year to year.

Jaime, I am with Chosen on this one.

I have not had the flu since getting my annual shot.

When you get an annual shot they generally tell you that it is possible to get a flu case because they inject a bit of the live virus into you .

That is rare, and unfortunately you were one that had it happen.

Would I get a covid vaccine?  With all this talk about Bill Gates implant plans and his fast tracking a vaccine... I am very leery.

And all the talk of them wanting to track this in people out and about..... what better way then for him to sell his plan that an implant/tattoo should be done with a vaccine for tracking purposes so those who stop carrying their cells out of the house can still be tracked?

As to Sweden... that was on TV last night and they showed that while Sweden has double the cases of Denmark and Finland... They have much less then their European counter parts of France, Germany and of Course Italy by comparison.

I am now in the herd mentality.

It may be more contagious, but they say no more so then the flu.

If the flu, over the years has not killed you.... this likely wont either ::tippinghat::

Oh, but I hate to be sick

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« Reply #1315 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 09:01:28 »
Do they deserve it?

You are going to struggle with this one.

The answer is no

Does it matter that the answer is no?  I am blessed through grace, undeserved, as such I must be generous with my own grace.

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« Reply #1316 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 09:11:32 »
Jaime, I am with Chosen on this one.

I have not had the flu since getting my annual shot.

When you get an annual shot they generally tell you that it is possible to get a flu case because they inject a bit of the live virus into you .

That is rare, and unfortunately you were one that had it happen.

Would I get a covid vaccine?  With all this talk about Bill Gates implant plans and his fast tracking a vaccine... I am very leery.

And all the talk of them wanting to track this in people out and about..... what better way then for him to sell his plan that an implant/tattoo should be done with a vaccine for tracking purposes so those who stop carrying their cells out of the house can still be tracked?

As to Sweden... that was on TV last night and they showed that while Sweden has double the cases of Denmark and Finland... They have much less then their European counter parts of France, Germany and of Course Italy by comparison.

I am now in the herd mentality.

It may be more contagious, but they say no more so then the flu.

If the flu, over the years has not killed you.... this likely wont either ::tippinghat::

Oh, but I hate to be sick

I know of many people that have survived the flu over the years, yet Covid killed them.

A simple look at the mortality rates we are experiencing in our extended care facilities does not allow for "this is no worse than the flu".  It also makes the "I think I had it back in January" less likely, it would be a wonderful thing to find out, but the odds are pretty slim unless one noticed a widening circle of people getting sick around him/her, with an unusual number of those people dying.

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« Reply #1317 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 09:12:55 »
Rella, I am NOT saying I got the flu because I took the flu vaccine. i AM saying the flu mutates so much that the strain we get vaccinated for may not or likely not cover the predominant strain of the season. Which is WHY I have had the flu every year I have taken a flu shot. I did say I think the flu vaccine must jack with our immunities somehow because I NEVER got got the flu before starting taking the flu shots. I’m saying maybe my immunities were better before and I didn’t get a bad case of it.

Again, the flu strains mutate and vaccines are hit or miss with the flu. A flu vaccine addresses one Or more known strains, it it mutates the vaccine is useless. Is it worth maybe a pot shot that the right strain was considered? maybe so.
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« Reply #1318 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 09:15:54 »
Carey the vulnerable  in nursing homes ARE extremely vulnerable with Covid. They need to be uber isolated, no question. The mortality rate for the general pooulation is very low with covid. That has been demonstrated with better testing data and better numbers for total infections. Very infectious and low mortality for general population. High mortality for vulnerable especially in nursing homes. Those people HAVE to be basically have to live in a bubble. My daughter works in a small nursing home here that has had 30 cases, with 7 deaths or half of our city’s total. All the deaths have involved severe underlying conditions.
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« Reply #1319 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 09:23:30 »
Carey the culnerable in nursinf homes ARE extremely vulnerable with Covid. They need to be uber isolated, no question. The mortality rate for the general pooulation is very low with covid. That has been demonstrated with better testing data and better numbers for total infections. Very infectious and low mortality for general population. High mortality for vulnerable especiallynin nursing homes.

I agree with you, but my point is that this is no typical flu, and should not be treated as such.  Even some younger folks that had it, required no hospitalization, and survived, tell of a horrific experience.

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« Reply #1320 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 09:31:06 »
Of course it is not a flu. It is 3 times as infectious but about the same or less mortality rate as the flu. Mortality rates are coming down more and more with more and better testing data. If someone has a chronic underlying problem, the Corona virus can be especially bad. My daughter said they have 3 or 4 in her nursing home that dies from the flu each year. Again, God forbid the comparison to the flu, but just relaying a fact with this one nursing home that the annual flu is certainly no picnic for those also vulnerable to the flu, even though Covid deaths seem much more tragic apparently.
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« Reply #1321 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 11:23:19 »
Even some younger folks that had it, required no hospitalization, and survived, tell of a horrific experience.

And according to antibody test results - thousands have been infected and never even knew it or had extremely mild symptoms - so mild, they blew it off.

I'm also thinking a lot of people who required no hospitalization, but tell of "horrific experience" have probably not had a real case of flu in the past. I had Type A influenza a couple of years. Kicked my be-hind. For weeks after, I had to get my son (a nurse) to keep checking my lungs because of coughing and breathing problems that lasted for weeks. Many times, people say they have "the flu" when it's actually a bad cold. When you get the real deal, it IS a horrific experience.


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« Reply #1322 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 12:28:58 »
Of course it is not a flu. It is 3 times as infectious but about the same or less mortality rate as the flu. Mortality rates are coming down more and more with more and better testing data. If someone has a chronic underlying problem, the Corona virus can be especially bad. My daughter said they have 3 or 4 in her nursing home that dies from the flu each year. Again, God forbid the comparison to the flu, but just relaying a fact with this one nursing home that the annual flu is certainly no picnic for those also vulnerable to the flu, even though Covid deaths seem much more tragic apparently.

I don't buy same or less mortality rate, our experience with extended care and the numbers just don't back that up.  Mortality rates will keep coming down, but an apples to apples comparison in the end will reveal a significantly higher mortality rate than the flu.

Covid deaths are absolutely more tragic, but for a different reason than you intended.  Many folks have passed away here alone, with their loved ones unable to comfort them in person their last hours.  Whether it is reasonable or not our extended care facilities are on lockdown, meaning no one but patients and staff.   ::frown::  Perhaps it is a tough call, but I think it is unreasonable, precautions could be taken to mitigate the risk. 


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« Reply #1323 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 12:35:19 »
And according to antibody test results - thousands have been infected and never even knew it or had extremely mild symptoms - so mild, they blew it off.

I'm also thinking a lot of people who required no hospitalization, but tell of "horrific experience" have probably not had a real case of flu in the past. I had Type A influenza a couple of years. Kicked my be-hind. For weeks after, I had to get my son (a nurse) to keep checking my lungs because of coughing and breathing problems that lasted for weeks. Many times, people say they have "the flu" when it's actually a bad cold. When you get the real deal, it IS a horrific experience.

Yep, it is subjective statement.  Had some harrowing experiences in my childhood with dangerously high fevers, but not much of anything in my adulthood, with the exception of my honeymoon.  Went down to Yellowstone with the camper, first the wife got sick, I took care of her, than we reversed roles.  That was extremely ugly, but we were young and it came and went in about three days.

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« Reply #1324 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 12:44:02 »
I know of many people that have survived the flu over the years, yet Covid killed them.


That's hard to believe.

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« Reply #1325 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 13:14:06 »
That's hard to believe.

Nice.

Wife works for Alberta Health in extended care, she takes care of filling empty beds across the city and nearby towns, I talk with her every day. 

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« Reply #1326 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 13:15:35 »
Jaime, I am with Chosen on this one.

I have not had the flu since getting my annual shot.

When you get an annual shot they generally tell you that it is possible to get a flu case because they inject a bit of the live virus into you .

That is rare, and unfortunately you were one that had it happen.

Would I get a covid vaccine?  With all this talk about Bill Gates implant plans and his fast tracking a vaccine... I am very leery.

And all the talk of them wanting to track this in people out and about..... what better way then for him to sell his plan that an implant/tattoo should be done with a vaccine for tracking purposes so those who stop carrying their cells out of the house can still be tracked?

As to Sweden... that was on TV last night and they showed that while Sweden has double the cases of Denmark and Finland... They have much less then their European counter parts of France, Germany and of Course Italy by comparison.

I am now in the herd mentality.

It may be more contagious, but they say no more so then the flu.

If the flu, over the years has not killed you.... this likely wont either ::tippinghat::

Oh, but I hate to be sick


That's one reason why I want anther country to find a vaccine, so that Bill Gates cant have anything to do with it. Not that I believe all these scare stories and conspiracy theories that I hear and read of.

Italy, France, UK Italy etc have much larger populations than Sweden in a small land mass. As you found in NY it spreads far more quickly when there is overcrowding.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1327 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 13:18:56 »
Yep, it is subjective statement.  Had some harrowing experiences in my childhood with dangerously high fevers, but not much of anything in my adulthood, with the exception of my honeymoon.  Went down to Yellowstone with the camper, first the wife got sick, I took care of her, than we reversed roles.  That was extremely ugly, but we were young and it came and went in about three days.

I have had flu a few times in my life, it was awful, but there was no struggling for breath as there is with this virus. This is mainly what kills people, they cant breathe and get enough oxygen. Also the flu rarely kills healthy young adults, and this is.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1328 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 13:53:40 »
And according to antibody test results - thousands have been infected and never even knew it or had extremely mild symptoms - so mild, they blew it off.



Nonsense, this entire dialogue has been fabricated by the naysayers. I completely understand the push back against the over exaggerated hysteria and the subsequent actions that have placed life as we know it on hold, but that isn't any reason to grab hold of unsubstantiated claims that do little more than tickle the ears.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1329 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 14:01:34 »
I don't buy same or less mortality rate, our experience with extended care and the numbers just don't back that up.  Mortality rates will keep coming down, but an apples to apples comparison in the end will reveal a significantly higher mortality rate than the flu.

Covid deaths are absolutely more tragic, but for a different reason than you intended.  Many folks have passed away here alone, with their loved ones unable to comfort them in person their last hours.  Whether it is reasonable or not our extended care facilities are on lockdown, meaning no one but patients and staff.   ::frown::  Perhaps it is a tough call, but I think it is unreasonable, precautions could be taken to mitigate the risk.


The majority of our deaths have been the elderly in long term care facilities but those deaths have been agonizing for those that have passed away. We don't have very many cases nor deaths but a nearby long term care home just reported their 20th death. These deaths happened very quickly from the time of contraction to the end of life. This is far from anything even close to the flu, regardless of how "some" people show mild symptoms.

 

     
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