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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #35 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 11:17:05 »
If you spend the money today for food . You don’t have to spend it tomorrow. But at least you have it. Buy rice and sauces. China has been in lockdown for over a month. Italy now has armed police and army stopping people leaving towns.

Just a side note ...the super spreader in South Korea was a pastor in a church. If you think the pope is going to save you in this flesh body think again.

Peace out my so loved brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again if it blows over ...drink and eat the food tomorrow. The best before date is not the date you can’t eat it. It can be eaten years  beyond that. Use water as washing.

Prepping means .....you don’t have to go out in the storm of people ...who are emptying the shelves. Thus then , you don’t bring what out there , into your home. 

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« Reply #36 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 11:22:56 »
Yep that’s all good . And maybe flour will appear in your jar and your sandals won’t wear out. Long term lock down as in China. People now starving. Yes Christians and non Christians both stave to death.

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« Reply #37 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 11:30:23 »
Do you think we may need to trust that he will protect us from this, as in psalm 91?
yep that is all good. BUT Faith without action is dead. Maybe your flour jay will never run out nor your sandals wear out. Throughout history Christians have been used as candles covered in tar and have been ripped apart by lions. Resurrection is the promise even if we are in the valley of death ...we will all die someday. South Korea has been affected largely by a Christian group who gathered together to pray and read the word of the Lord.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #38 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 11:32:10 »
Do you think we may need to trust that he will protect us from this, as in psalm 91?
yep that is all good. BUT Faith without action is dead. Maybe your flour jay will never run out nor your sandals wear out. Throughout history Christians have been used as candles covered in tar and have been ripped apart by lions. Resurrection is the promise even if we are in the valley of death ...we will all die someday. South Korea has been affected largely by a Christian group who gathered together to pray and read the word of the Lord.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #39 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 11:43:37 »
Cant get any p95 nor p2 masks ? Not that they really helps once you are covered head to toe in the virus. No wonder China are fogging there cities with trucks that spray. Ok now animals dieing  Key .....don’t go out. Eat in. 85% of all pharmaceuticals come from China. Eggs in one basket.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #40 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 11:47:28 »
So go to your doctor and get new prescription and repeats on your meds.love you all Mark

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #41 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 12:20:44 »
A old English doctor  Dr. John Campbell . who just makes it easy to understand. Breaks down medical terms , names  and explains numbers so we get it without the fluff

https://youtu.be/1C-NpadSNuA

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #42 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 14:36:03 »
You might find some of the articles on this page interesting.


Thanks, NorrinRadd!

Now I just need to learn to give myself an IV so I can mainline vitamin C.  I do know of a couple of dentists in town that give vit C by IV before and after major dental procedures - claiming it helps dramatically with healing and fighting possible infections.


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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #43 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 15:08:54 »
Cant get any p95 nor p2 masks ? Not that they really helps once you are covered head to toe in the virus. No wonder China are fogging there cities with trucks that spray. Ok now animals dieing  Key .....don’t go out. Eat in. 85% of all pharmaceuticals come from China. Eggs in one basket.

Eat in is good. Should do that anyway. But shall we all stay home. Even from work?

Market is already tanking...... claiming Corona reasons... tis well could put the world in a wordl wide depression. Then what?

You started your veggie a garden yet?  Takes time  to grow. Remember, dont use any but rain water and don't drink any water unless from a deep well or sky.... it is easily contaminated.

As to the masks. I have some. Every trip to the doc I take one as well as every trip to hospital for blood.

Might order another supply of emergency food to add to my stash....

Or the easy thing is just live you life and if it happens and you die from it....

BTW WHAT EXACTLY IS THE MORTALITY RATE FROM THIS?

If you die... just know something has to take you out.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #44 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 17:51:00 »
Eat in is good. Should do that anyway. But shall we all stay home. Even from work?

Market is already tanking...... claiming Corona reasons... tis well could put the world in a wordl wide depression. Then what?

You started your veggie a garden yet?  Takes time  to grow. Remember, dont use any but rain water and don't drink any water unless from a deep well or sky.... it is easily contaminated.

As to the masks. I have some. Every trip to the doc I take one as well as every trip to hospital for blood.

Might order another supply of emergency food to add to my stash....

Or the easy thing is just live you life and if it happens and you die from it....

BTW WHAT EXACTLY IS THE MORTALITY RATE FROM THIS?

If you die... just know something has to take you out.

Yeah, frankly I'm not thrilled with life anyway.  As long as they give me enough drugs to keep me fairly comfortable or unconscious, and someone agrees to take care of my cats, I don't care if I die.

Last I heard, mortality rate is one in fifty.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #45 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 17:53:47 »
Our markets Haven't tanked but they did lower a bit.  I got a sweet refi out of temporarily lowered interest rates on mortgages.

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« Reply #46 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 17:55:08 »
Thanks, NorrinRadd!

Now I just need to learn to give myself an IV so I can mainline vitamin C.  I do know of a couple of dentists in town that give vit C by IV before and after major dental procedures - claiming it helps dramatically with healing and fighting possible infections.

Really???  That's very cool!  I have no clue where I could get that done.

I've read instructions on preparing IV ascorbate, but my recollection is that they were for medical professionals, not for regular people.  (I'm pretty sure they use a buffered version like sodium ascorbate, not regular ascorbic acid.)

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #47 on: Mon Feb 24, 2020 - 18:42:07 »
If you spend the money today for food . You don’t have to spend it tomorrow. But at least you have it. Buy rice and sauces. China has been in lockdown for over a month. Italy now has armed police and army stopping people leaving towns.

Just a side note ...the super spreader in South Korea was a pastor in a church. If you think the pope is going to save you in this flesh body think again.

Peace out my so loved brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again if it blows over ...drink and eat the food tomorrow. The best before date is not the date you can’t eat it. It can be eaten years  beyond that. Use water as washing.

Prepping means .....you don’t have to go out in the storm of people ...who are emptying the shelves. Thus then , you don’t bring what out there , into your home.

I just wonder, if we all start panic buying then how are we any different from non believers? Aren't we told not to fear? Fear and panic buying is damaging in itself and will cause mass shortages. 
When you think of how many hundreds of thousands of people die of the flu each year, it never stops us going out and acting normally. Yes I know the death rate is bigger with this, its thought 2%, but its still almost all the very elderly and very sick who are dying. For most its a fairly mild illness.

Generally, face masks are thought to help stop you passing on what you have to others, but fairly useless to avoid catching anything.  Would not wear one myself.
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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #49 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 11:57:33 »
I just wonder, if we all start panic buying then how are we any different from non believers? Aren't we told not to fear? Fear and panic buying is damaging in itself and will cause mass shortages. 


Shaming other Christians who are preparing for a coming health pandemic is pretty low. Bemark is just gathering things to care for himself and his family if things get out of hand.

When an ice storm is headed my way, I go to the store to stock up on things to get through the next few days. It has nothing to do with lack of faith. It keeps me and family members off the dangerous streets when the ice hits.

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« Reply #50 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 13:21:10 »
Shaming other Christians who are preparing for a coming health pandemic is pretty low. Bemark is just gathering things to care for himself and his family if things get out of hand.

When an ice storm is headed my way, I go to the store to stock up on things to get through the next few days. It has nothing to do with lack of faith. It keeps me and family members off the dangerous streets when the ice hits.

Yes, you are right.

I made light of a potentially serious situation .  Ill remove it....

If more people thought... especially those that feel ill... then they would stay home and away from others and less would be spread.

Same holds for things like the flu. Stay home...

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« Reply #51 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 13:27:05 »
But what I ave not heard.

Other then those masks that can be worn, what else can one do if one does have to be out?

They show them spraying large areas in parts of China and other countries....WHAT are they spraying?

Has anyone suggested the incubation period other then those on cruise ships and places being held for 14 days?

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« Reply #52 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 15:08:06 »
So in what way should we act differently as believers from those who don't know God in such situations. God says do not fear, do not be afraid, trust Him, that He will provide, don't worry about tomorrow. 
How can we act differently from those who may worry and be afraid? For whom what is reported in the papers and media may make them panic?
Is He our rock and anchor in the storms of life? BTW I am talking to myself as much as anyone else here. I want to lean on Him and stay in peace, not always easy I know but surely that is our aim?.

BTW I know of no one who is panic buying, Christian or otherwise.   
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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #53 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 15:32:23 »
But what I ave not heard.

Other then those masks that can be worn, what else can one do if one does have to be out?

They show them spraying large areas in parts of China and other countries....WHAT are they spraying?

Has anyone suggested the incubation period other then those on cruise ships and places being held for 14 days?

On another site, a poster posted at least a half-dozen assertions about various different aspects -- mortality, infectiousness, how long it lingers on surfaces, accuracy of tests, and more.  He didn't give any sources.  I complained.  He rather huffily supplied links to a bunch of different articles, and pretty much said I should have been willing to do the research myself.  Kook.

Anyway, the gist was that the official CDC statements are too sanguine.  But really, there is no way to know.  We can't trust anything China says (despite what Smiling Fauci from the CDC asserts), so we basically have to get more reliable data from the cases in elsewhere, which will take some months.

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« Reply #54 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 16:09:31 »


Anyway, the gist was that the official CDC statements are too sanguine.  But really, there is no way to know.  We can't trust anything China says (despite what Smiling Fauci from the CDC asserts), so we basically have to get more reliable data from the cases in elsewhere, which will take some months.
NorrinRadd, I listened to some of Scott Adams' periscope this morning where he brought up an interesting point. He said the mortality rates seem to be much higher when reported from countries that we can trust the least - China, Iran. OTOH, from the countries that we can (hopefully) trust more to report accurate stats, the mortality rate appears to be lower. Don't know if that means anything or not, just an interesting observation.



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« Reply #55 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 16:31:08 »
So in what way should we act differently as believers from those who don't know God in such situations. God says do not fear, do not be afraid, trust Him, that He will provide, don't worry about tomorrow. 
How can we act differently from those who may worry and be afraid? For whom what is reported in the papers and media may make them panic?
Is He our rock and anchor in the storms of life? BTW I am talking to myself as much as anyone else here. I want to lean on Him and stay in peace, not always easy I know but surely that is our aim?.

BTW I know of no one who is panic buying, Christian or otherwise.

I don't know of anyone here who is in a panic over it. Good grief.
Being prepared does not equate to living in fear.
Like I said, I go to the grocery store before an ice storm - not because I have a lack of faith, but because it's the smart thing to do. So the next time an ice storm is in the forecast, I guess I should just sit here on my butt and claim God will provide and I'm not going to worry about basic necessities before it hits.
You need to cool it on your virtue signaling, chosen. It's not right to shame Christians for trying to protect their loved ones during a pandemic.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 18:26:40 »
On another site, a poster posted at least a half-dozen assertions about various different aspects -- mortality, infectiousness, how long it lingers on surfaces, accuracy of tests, and more.  He didn't give any sources.  I complained.  He rather huffily supplied links to a bunch of different articles, and pretty much said I should have been willing to do the research myself.  Kook.

Anyway, the gist was that the official CDC statements are too sanguine.  But really, there is no way to know.  We can't trust anything China says (despite what Smiling Fauci from the CDC asserts), so we basically have to get more reliable data from the cases in elsewhere, which will take some months.

Yes, and as with any illness like this it will be very different in whoever catches it. Some will have it mildly and briefly and some wont. The usual advise to wash hands well and not cough and sneeze all over people seems sensible. In the UK the general advise to self isolate for 2 weeks may help slow the spread. 

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« Reply #58 on: Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 20:49:34 »
Well, now this comes out-

https://twitter.com/tiarrabanks1/status/1232447576302993408

And Chelsea Clinton is on record as to blaming Trump for this in the US. Her qualifications....

 Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health

Chelsea Clinton
Adjunct Assistant Professor
Health Policy and Management

https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/people/our-faculty/cc3459

I see a trend.

Wonder why those who are now blaming Trump, and there have been many, have not offered a suggestion for a solution for this pandemic they are certain is coming our way???

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« Reply #59 on: Wed Feb 26, 2020 - 01:06:25 »
In some countries there has already been mass panicking and shops selling out. It wont take much for it to happen anywhere else. If some buy too much, others (usually those who cant afford to buy more than they need at any one time, the poor, the elderly, those who have no transport etc), will suffer and go without.
Keep your eyes on God people. He is our rock and provider.


Here is Gods love in action. https://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-sharing-love-of-jesus-in-coronavirus-hot-zone-death-toll-rise-to-724.html

Love to you my brother Bemark, I have known you here for about 13 years, and I Know you are His through and through:-) God bless.
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« Reply #60 on: Wed Feb 26, 2020 - 08:45:17 »
Cant get any p95 nor p2 masks ? Not that they really helps once you are covered head to toe in the virus. No wonder China are fogging there cities with trucks that spray. Ok now animals dieing  Key .....don’t go out. Eat in. 85% of all pharmaceuticals come from China. Eggs in one basket.

You bring up a good point on how we are too dependent on China for our pharmaceuticals. We let our sworn enemies make our meds. How stupid is that?
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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #61 on: Wed Feb 26, 2020 - 08:48:43 »
From what I have been reading, the fatality rate is something like 2%.  It is gonna kill off mostly the elderly and infirm, like most viruses.

The pandemic theory is a huge joke.  There is something more behind this.  At the minimum it is just media sensationalism.  At the worst, it is potential sabotage on markets, or cover up for crimes committed by China against its own citizenry.

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« Reply #62 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 13:32:35 »
For whatever reason, the more the left and MSM fan the flames of politics over this virus, the less and less concerned I am over it.
I'm at the point of not worrying a bit about it.

Maybe it's because for four years, they've blamed everything on Trump, made up lies and hoaxes, etc. Maybe I'm just numb to anything the Chicken Littles say or do now. They've cried wolf so many times, I now wouldn't know if they were telling the truth or not. Honestly, I don't think any of them know the truth about this virus - but are using it as a political weapon.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm just thinking that if it does start spreading across the US, it will be no more deadly than the regular flu bug.




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« Reply #63 on: Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 14:42:55 »
See??

AP fact checking says Democrats are lying about President Trump cutting funding and personnel needed to fight coronavirus -

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

Trying to spread fear, panic, and make political points during a possible pandemic... smh.


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« Reply #64 on: Fri Feb 28, 2020 - 13:52:52 »
From what I have been reading, the fatality rate is something like 2%.  It is gonna kill off mostly the elderly and infirm, like most viruses.

The pandemic theory is a huge joke.  There is something more behind this.  At the minimum it is just media sensationalism.  At the worst, it is potential sabotage on markets, or cover up for crimes committed by China against its own citizenry.
It's going to be an epidemic in many countries around the world.  If you live in a hot dry climate with first world medicine, there probably isn't much to worry about.  We've been worried about it in my family because my wife has family in Asia.

Mortality rate is about 2%.  For comparison the Spanish Influenza at the beginning of the 20th century had about 4% mortality.  I spoke to a doctor friend, and this is basically going to be a worse-than-usual flu that goes around, but we can't vaccinate against it yet.

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« Reply #65 on: Sat Feb 29, 2020 - 03:55:10 »
I have a grandson that finished Clemson and is now starting at Emory University getting his doctorate degree in DISEASES~he's at our house now helping with Taylor who is dying with cancer~ He told us that DCC (DISEASE CONTROL CENTER where he will be the next four years) is telling everyone IN ATLANTA to be very careful since Atlanta is the largest airport hub in America~but he also said the chance of getting this disease (Coronavirus) would be mathematical extremely rare. Which I agree~if you are close to my age, then a heart attack would be much greater odds than catching the Coronavirus, maybe a virus, but not that one. God's people should never live in fear concerning such things, wise, YES~ fear? No.
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« Reply #66 on: Sat Feb 29, 2020 - 06:01:00 »
I have a grandson that finished Clemson and is now starting at Emory University getting his doctorate degree in DISEASES~he's at our house now helping with Taylor who is dying with cancer~ He told us that DCC (DISEASE CONTROL CENTER where he will be the next four years) is telling everyone IN ATLANTA to be very careful since Atlanta is the largest airport hub in America~but he also said the chance of getting this disease (Coronavirus) would be mathematical extremely rare. Which I agree~if you are close to my age, then a heart attack would be much greater odds than catching the Coronavirus, maybe a virus, but not that one. God's people should never live in fear concerning such things, wise, YES~ fear? No.

I agree. Far better to believe Gods words and not be in fear, than read loads of stuff on social media and the press and let the fear drag you down. 

I am so sorry about your grandson BTW Red. 

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« Reply #67 on: Sun Mar 01, 2020 - 23:51:15 »
If you can deal with the odd case here and there then maybe it will work out alright. But let’s look at some numbers and not China’s because most people don’t believe them.

South Korea Cases 4212. Deaths 26  recovered. 31

Italy Cases 1701. Deaths 41  recovered.  83

The cases are the number that they have only tested for .....but who knows the out come from those cases. So far we know that South Korea has 4212 cases and out of those cases we know that 26 have died and only 31 has recovered. So we are still awaiting the out come for the remainder 4150 odd.

Let’s look at that horriable cruise ship experiment. About 3000 was on board . They put them in isolation and the numbers kept rising . So when it got to be about 600 or more they let them off that ship. If they stayed on that ship how high could have been  affected ? But we know that from those lab rats 705 are cases and out of those cases we have a mere 16 outcomes. 6 dead and 10 recovered.

Who do we believe Chinas numbers or South Korea , Italy and the cruise ship from hell?

Remember China has gone into lock down over a common cold . Really?

Have a look at   https://youtu.be/Sn_ij8lRKnE

Let’s stay informed
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« Reply #68 on: Mon Mar 02, 2020 - 02:41:12 »
USA 89 cases. And out of those cases 2 have died and 9 has recovered.

Because this really is in the early stages , they say it is like looking at the tip of a ice burg.  They believe that the virus has been lurking around for a few weeks now affecting a whole lot more people.

So don’t be surprised to see sudden jumps as in South Korea and Italy . I hope not , i really do.

I heard the UK had only 15 -18 negative displacement rooms to deal with these type of things. Look people.....the useless WHO and all government departments have been playing this down to CREATE TIME  before the general population goes into panic mode. TIME they need to organize what ever they have to do to control the masses. They all should have shut down there boulders and stopped people leaving and coming in.

They reckon in the next 1-2:years 30-70% of the world will be affected by this...you can’t out run it, nor hide from it. Just get some beans and extra rice and water , so you don’t get caught up in the storm of people who are panic buying. The WINDOW OF TIME  for this has nearly shut because the word is getting out there. The Lord said he will direct our paths . That’s us walking forwards not staying still , do you think mana is going to rain out from heaven when our cupboards get empty. Don’t buy n95 nor p2 masks . Unless you can duct tape them to your face  to create a perfect seal they are worthless. So start shaving off your beards now. They are meant for people who could be sick form spreading it. Do some research from many places so it’s balanced and then make up your mind. The Lord gives us peace in this ...he does. What a TIME to spread the word . Days like this,  people are open to receiving the Lord. Israel turned back to God in TIMES like this.  He is the prince of peace.   
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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #69 on: Mon Mar 02, 2020 - 02:44:27 »
South Korea now 4335 cases. -16:17 min to next update. Italy 1701 cases -8:17 to next update.