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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1330 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 14:32:15 »
Most with underlying conditions that contract it are in trouble, no doubt. I heard a report on TV this morning that said that 94% of all deaths from Covid 19 in New York City were suffering from something serious before they got it. This virus is pretty efficient at taking advantage of compromised bodies. And that’s not to say that only the elderly have bodies in a compromised state. I have a nephew in his late thirties with the worst asthma I have ever heard of and if he gets it, it’s likely a death sentence. Of course nearly any respiratory infection nearly does him in.

For the general population, Covid is highly contageous, and relatively low mortality to total infections. AND it preys on the vulnerable and compromised, of that group a high mortality rate. But that group has a much higher mortality rate WITHOUT Covid.
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« Reply #1331 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 14:34:15 »

Nonsense, this entire dialogue has been fabricated by the naysayers. I completely understand the push back against the over exaggerated hysteria and the subsequent actions that have placed life as we know it on hold, but that isn't any reason to grab hold of unsubstantiated claims that do little more than tickle the ears.

I only know two people who have had it. One in her 30s and one in his 40's. Both said it was awful but they didn't need to go to hospital thankfully. 

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1332 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 14:47:50 »
Me and my wife were so sick with what we think might have been Covid at Christmas and I have only been as sick one other time with type A flu. We tested negative for the flu so we left the doctor puzzled until about mid March when this all started. I think my daughter has the antibodies as well because she works closely with Covid patients in a small nursing home that has had half of our county’s cases with 30 and 7 deaths so far. My daughter has not had the antibody test but has tested negative for the virus several times. The very elderly are very susceptible AND they usually have many other issues. This is why the flu is ALSO so deadly for this grouo.
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« Reply #1333 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 14:59:51 »
Nice.

Wife works for Alberta Health in extended care, she takes care of filling empty beds across the city and nearby towns, I talk with her every day.

So?

I have a daughter who works for the Oklahoma Healthcare Authority and knows all the numbers.
I have a son who is an ICU RN and is working at a hospital in the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak.
I have an aunt who is an RN and is the head honcho of a conglomerate of nursing homes - which happen to be the hardest hit environments.
I have a dear friend who works at one of the largest hospitals on the east coast and is in charge of coronavirus efforts at that hospital.
I have a friend who is a senior scientist at a pharmaceutical lab.



We all have relatives/friends who are supposedly in the know on this thing, so your source is no better than mine or anyone elses. It's all a guessing game.



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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1334 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 15:44:02 »
I have had flu a few times in my life, it was awful, but there was no struggling for breath as there is with this virus. This is mainly what kills people, they cant breathe and get enough oxygen. Also the flu rarely kills healthy young adults, and this is.

Covid also rarely kills healthy young adults.  Anecdotal cases do not speak to actual statistics.

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1335 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 15:49:48 »

Nonsense, this entire dialogue has been fabricated by the naysayers. I completely understand the push back against the over exaggerated hysteria and the subsequent actions that have placed life as we know it on hold, but that isn't any reason to grab hold of unsubstantiated claims that do little more than tickle the ears.

It isn't nonsense.  Studies have shown many have had it.  Cuomo just concluded some tests in New York.  It is estimated a few million in NY had it.  Covid19 is very infectious, it may have a higher mortality rate than the flu, but it is still extremely low. 

A bad flu is about 0.13% in mortality rate.  I think Covid19 will be 0.2 give or take.

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« Reply #1336 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:01:25 »
Me and my wife were so sick with what we think might have been Covid at Christmas

Then that kind of shoots the China idea arriving here in January and eploding from that point out of the water.

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« Reply #1337 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:03:09 »
Doctors are saying those over 65 are in the highest risk category for complications and death, but the young patients who get the sickest with it are usually overweight.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-obesity-risk-factor

Do you think there will be a new emphasis on getting skinny and healthy and maybe less emphasis on glorifying excess weight and body positivity?

If anything, this endemic virus, with no cure, should be encouraging us to build strong, healthy bodies and good immune systems.

And listen, I'm preaching to myself. I don't think I've taken one walk since this whole thing started, smh. (unless you count strolling around the grocery store) I'm eating more carbs, too, which isn't good for my borderline blood sugar issues. ::frown::

Oh, and it also looks like our protein sources may get zapped for a while - which is bad news for those of us trying to eat low carb.







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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1338 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:05:17 »
Postponing herd immunity Alan is tickling the ears of those that refuse to face the low death rate. Numbers are unemotional and get more and more accurate as we go.

And Mommydi I walk EVERY DAY because there is nothing else to do when I get off work except listen to the CNN reporters attack Trump at the White House Corona briefings or listen to Fauci saying, “Well, maybe two more weeks.”
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« Reply #1339 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:16:18 »
What do you mean Rella, shooting up out of the water?

There are tests around the country that indicate up to 1/3 of the population in the US has the Covid19 antibodies. In other words they were infected with the virus and recovered. How they got it when, no one knows. I suspect the Chinese knew they had a tiger by the tail as early as November and then let their people continue to travel to all their global competitors, while claiming, “nothing to see here,” supported by the paid off W.H.O.
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« Reply #1340 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:23:13 »


And Mommydi I walk EVERY DAY because there is nothing else to do when I get off work except listen to the CNN reporters attack Trump at the White House Corona briefings or listen to Fauci, “Well, maybe two more weeks.”

There's no excuse for me to not be walking, Jaime. My usually messed up tendons are actually doing pretty well (which I think is due to the major increase in liposomal C ) I haven't been totally sedentary, though.  rofl Lots of closet cleaning and working in my flowerbeds. This morning I gave my oven a thorough cleaning, which was cathartic.


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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1341 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 16:40:17 »
If I didn’t spend most of my time in my back yard or walking around the neighborhood, I would go bat poop crazy.

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« Reply #1342 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:35:31 »
Then that kind of shoots the China idea arriving here in January and eploding from that point out of the water.


Exactly, no one in North America had this virus prior to January, otherwise we would have seen a completely different trend. Regardless of how sick people get with this virus we know that it spreads very easily, there would have been multiple instances of what we now consider the vulnerable group dying across the US and Canada. That just didn't happen until the virus hit after January, and those vulnerable people died rather quickly and still are dying quickly once infected.

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« Reply #1343 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:38:52 »
Postponing herd immunity Alan is tickling the ears of those that refuse to face the low death rate. Numbers are unemotional and get more and more accurate as we go.



Over 50k deaths while most of the country is idle is still considered low? How many deaths do you believe there would have been if we did nothing?

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Re: The Coronavirus: Concerned or not?
« Reply #1344 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:40:10 »

Exactly, no one in North America had this virus prior to January, otherwise we would have seen a completely different trend. Regardless of how sick people get with this virus we know that it spreads very easily, there would have been multiple instances of what we now consider the vulnerable group dying across the US and Canada. That just didn't happen until the virus hit after January, and those vulnerable people died rather quickly and still are dying quickly once infected.

You are assuming viruses have no mutations, which is incorrect.  Your reasoning is flawed.

Had the initial strain been weak, it is entirely possible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study/amp/
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« Reply #1345 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:44:37 »
You are assuming viruses have no mutations, which is incorrect.  Your reasoning is flawed.

Had the initial strain been weak, it is entirely possible.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-study/amp/


It's a stretch that only someone that wants to believe it will believe it.

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« Reply #1346 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:44:57 »
Alan, let me ask you how many flu deaths is worthy of such a shutdown to lower their numbers as we have done on this one. We can protect the vulnerable without without killing the economy. If we can’t a lot of deceased vulnerable people from the flu have a few questions about our non-efforts to protect them.  And yes, with a total number of likely infections thendeath rate is low even at the 240,000 deaths projected if we did nothing. Yes a lot of deaths but not a high death rate.

240,000/120,000,000 =
.2% or .0002
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« Reply #1347 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:47:07 »
And yes all viruses are likely to mutate and this one will too. Same as the flu virus does every year and sometimes more than once a season.
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« Reply #1348 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:52:59 »
Alan, let me ask you how many flu deaths is worthy of such a shutdown to lower their numbers as we have done on this one. We can protect the vulnerable without without killing the economy. If we can’t a lot of deceased vulnerable people from the flu have a few questions about our non-efforts to protect them.


I'm not commenting on flu related deaths, that is an entirely separate issue. My comment was directed at the statement of "low death rate" concerning COVID-19.
This pandemic will likely kill 70-80 thousand US citizens while the country is under lockdown, those numbers would be substantially higher if no action was taken.

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« Reply #1349 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:56:41 »
And yes all viruses ate likely to mutate and this one will too. Same as the flu virus does every year and sometimes more than once a season.


We didn't find vast mutations with SARS or MERS or other Corona Viruses, I don't expect this will be the case with COVID-19 either. Once it runs it's course it will trickle away as did the others.

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« Reply #1350 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:57:00 »
I’m commenting on dead people regardless of the cause. Why no effort to protect 50,000 flu victims that die? It’s very infectious, infecting a lot of people, up to 1/3 of our population, and it has a relatively low death to infection ratio.
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« Reply #1351 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 17:58:26 »
Could have no mutations but I believe it likely will. It’s novel as in we ain’t seen anything like it before.

Yes the deaths would be As I showed for both scenarios. Even doing nothing the death rate would be .2% if the several studies are true that show the total infections  in the US is 1/3 of our population or 120,000,000. A big number of deaths do not necessarily translate into a high death RATE. The annual flu kills a big number of people, but has a low death RATE. Those deaths are no less worthy of mitigation measures than the Covid deaths. THIS is a point I want to drive home by my persistance.
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« Reply #1352 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 18:22:08 »
Sorry Jaime, I don't want to keep going around in circles here which we easily could do. Every one of us has their personal story and for myself I don't think I could bear to see my mom die such a horrible death while I could have done something to help.

The flu itself is probably an even deadlier little bugger, with past pandemics (SARS, MERS, etc) once they ran their course they were over and done with. The flu has thousands of strains, most flu shots are based on the data we currently possess and end up being effective for anywhere between 50-75% on good years. It's almost impossible to fight while we live our lives normally and living in a bubble isn't the answer either. The flu just lives with us, we know it's potential and we can protect ourselves as required.

With COVID-19 I believe our initial responses were the correct actions to take but soon after we began to understand how this virus spread and reacted to those that were infected, we could have quite easily retracted some of the restrictions that were in place. We have extended these restrictions too far, the economy needs to survive and people need to be able to walk out their front door without fear of receiving a $500 bi-law ticket for disobeying a civic ordinance.

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« Reply #1353 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 18:48:40 »
All I want to do is get everyone to wrap their heads around the fact that a low death rate can result in a big big number of deaths. And death rate IS what we mitigate against in these things. Whether it’s 60,000 or 240,000 deaths, all are tragic. And the deaths from a self induced famine is equally tragic and painful to watch for our loved ones to go through.
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« Reply #1354 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 20:38:27 »
And where are we headed with this news?

Video: Leaked Documents Expose Second Wave of Virus Outbreak in North China

Officials in the northern China city of Harbin have underreported cases of the CCP virus during the second wave of its local outbreak, according to internal government documents obtained by The Epoch Times.

(second as in another wave)

https://canadafreepress.com/article/exclusive-leaked-documents-expose-second-wave-of-virus-outbreak-in-north-ch


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« Reply #1355 on: Fri Apr 24, 2020 - 21:07:37 »
As Fauci says every two weeks —“Two more weeks”.

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« Reply #1356 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 07:34:05 »
As Fauci says every two weeks —“Two more weeks”.

He likely will only say that 13 more times  ::eek::

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« Reply #1357 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 11:09:54 »

It's a stretch that only someone that wants to believe it will believe it.

Wrong.


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« Reply #1358 on: Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:48:59 »
So glad I'm not in N.Y.!  Some friends are telling me sad stories from N.Y. 

But we're in Texas now and I say have a little faith and open up the economy to states that have the least cases & deaths.

It is B.S. to postpone taking chances on this virus. If only the strong survive, so be it! Help us Lord. Thank You!

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« Reply #1360 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 09:02:44 »
So?

I have a daughter who works for the Oklahoma Healthcare Authority and knows all the numbers.
I have a son who is an ICU RN and is working at a hospital in the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak.
I have an aunt who is an RN and is the head honcho of a conglomerate of nursing homes - which happen to be the hardest hit environments.
I have a dear friend who works at one of the largest hospitals on the east coast and is in charge of coronavirus efforts at that hospital.
I have a friend who is a senior scientist at a pharmaceutical lab.



We all have relatives/friends who are supposedly in the know on this thing, so your source is no better than mine or anyone elses. It's all a guessing game.

So?

Your implication that my pants might be on fire is rather amusing, given the statement I made.  There is an argument to be made that defeats my statement, but it is quite the opposite of your appraisal. 

"I know of many that have survived the flu, yet covid killed them."

You find that hard to believe?     ::headscratch::

What makes my statement meaningless is that it is pretty much universally true, most everyone excepting the very young have had the flu at some point in their lifetime, including those that succumb to covid.  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #1361 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 09:09:38 »
So?

Your implication that my pants might be on fire is rather amusing, given the statement I made.  There is an argument to be made that defeats my statement, but it is quite the opposite of your appraisal. 

"I know of many that have survived the flu, yet covid killed them."

You find that hard to believe?     ::headscratch::

What makes my statement meaningless is that it is pretty much universally true, most everyone excepting the very young have had the flu at some point in their lifetime, including those that succumb to covid.  ::tippinghat::

The flu kills as well.  Local young girl died in a recent school year, was perfectly healthy prior to the flu.

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« Reply #1362 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 09:41:00 »
The flu kills as well.  Local young girl died in a recent school year, was perfectly healthy prior to the flu.

Yes, that is sad but true.

Also true . Another respiratory infection that does kill is that of pneumonia.

While similar, none of the 3 are the same.

Comparisons of who survives and who dies cannot be tallied any more then comparing touchdowns, home runs , and goals can do anything other then be said to relate to sports with teams.

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« Reply #1363 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 11:54:55 »
I WOULD say the measures taken to prevent or mitigate the deaths of each could and SHOULD be compared.

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« Reply #1364 on: Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 20:01:17 »
BRITAIN: Social Distancing Could Last ENTIRE YEAR

Whitty made the comments shortly after Matt Hancock, the UK Health Secretary filling in for Prime Minister Boris Johnson, announced that the United Kingdom has now hit the peak of the first wave of the pandemic.

“This disease is not going to be eradicated, it is not going to disappear, so we have to accept that we are working with a disease that we are going to be with globally for the foreseeable future,” Whitty added.

He said the country must be realistic and if people think life will return to normal and the virus will suddenly disappear, then their expectations are “unrealistic.”

As part of the social distancing measures, the British people may be asked to continue wearing masks in daily life. The UK government is yet to implement rules requiring masks, though health officials have repeatedly touted the benefits of doing so.

https://presidentialwire.com/britain-social-distancing-could-last-entire-year/

 

     
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